German author and novelist Norman Ohler Q&A at the Oxford Union
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3:36Do you think that humans get broken and need fixed by something from the outside, or that a relationship with drugs is more around a co-evolution?
5:07So do you think this is the case because it fit the nation-building narrative of Germany after the war, or is there some other reason for why it was kind of ignored?
6:54Do you think there is a place for it anywhere?
How drug use in Nazi Germany — how common it was, you know, for housewives, for soldiers, all this — but also how breaking down barriers to drug research, and I'm not sure if you're also saying breaking barriers for drug use in modern society can avoid us falling into more extremism, fascism, all these. And I was wondering, in Nazi Germany, if you think it was a significant contributing factor, this drug use that you speak of.
I think it was, because the Nazi regime was very professional in designing a drug regime. So it was doing exactly what I warn against, which is governments promoting certain substances in order to promote certain behaviors. So by being this anti-drug government, which they officially were, but meanwhile promoting methamphetamine, they created a mentality which was working for their goals, which was everyone is a part. It was a crime in Nazi Germany to not be a part. It was called 'Arbeitsscheu', work-shy. So if you were not participating in your duties in the party or in the factory, you were already seen as a potential dissident. So that methamphetamine program worked very well in favor of the regime.
Hi, thanks for a great talk. I study an area called metabolic psychiatry. So this idea that mental health symptoms come from our metabolism being broken — you know, how we make energy in the body being broken. And it's somehow in opposition to this idea, which I suppose more mainstream psychiatry sometimes embodies, that we can be somehow fundamentally broken, that humans can just get broken and that we need to be fixed from the outside. And I guess when I first heard you talk about Blitzed, I thought that chimed, right? That, you know, the Nazis and others were using methamphetamine, but it wasn't helping them, right? It was hurting them. And then I was super interested to hear about, you know, Stoned Apes, this idea — you know, I've heard of the stoned ape theory before — and this idea that it wasn't just something that fixed us from the outside, it's something that actually helped us or forced us to evolve. So where do you fall in all of that? Because I haven't heard you be super specific about psychiatry in all of this.
Well, psychedelics are especially good in fixing trauma. So they are being used in fixing something that's broken inside. So I mean, 'drugs' is a bad term in a way because these substances are so different from each other. Methamphetamine will not fix anything inside of you. It will just keep you going, and if you're a broken machine, it will keep you going until you finally die, basically. While a psychedelic will, you know, let you pause for a moment and reflect on what is actually happening inside of you and why you have a certain problem, which I think would be the reason if I was the health minister of any country to legalize them immediately, because it would really help. You know, mental health is very important, and these are the tools that can help.
Thanks. It's a shame the Oxford Union couldn't have supplied a bit of psilocybin for us all to enjoy the lecture even more. Thanks.
Hello. So thank you for the talk. It's very interesting. I wanted to ask — so you mentioned how drugs played a large role in the Blitzkrieg and in general in the German war machine, but it's not very well known, at least until your book came out. So do you think this is the case because it fit the nation-building narrative of Germany after the war, or is there some other reason for why it was kind of ignored?
Ohler, N. (2026, March 31). German author and novelist Norman Ohler Q&A at the Oxford Union [Interview transcript]. OxfordUnion. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3088991/
MLA
Norman Ohler. "German author and novelist Norman Ohler Q&A at the Oxford Union." OxfordUnion, 31 Mar. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3088991/.
BibTeX
@misc{ohler2026_3088991,
author = {Norman Ohler},
title = {German author and novelist Norman Ohler Q\&A at the Oxford Union},
howpublished = {Interview transcript, OxfordUnion. CEOInterviews.AI},
year = {2026},
month = {mar},
url = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3088991/},
note = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}