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Patrick McGee
Author and Journalist

How Apple Helped Build China’s Tech Power

📅 Oct 19, 2026 Bloomberg Television 24 MIN 11815 VIEWS 23 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Apple’s rise into one of the world’s most valuable companies was powered in large part by China. However, that relationship came with enormous geopolitical consequences. Investigative journalist and former Financial Times reporter Patrick McGee joins Bloomberg Businessweek Daily to discuss his bestseller Apple in China: The Capture of the World’s Greatest Company and how Apple’s investments, engineering expertise and vast supplier network helped transform China into a global electronics powerhouse. -------- More on Bloomberg Television and Markets Like this video? Subscribe and turn on n...

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Patrick McGee, author of 'Apple in China: The Capture of the World's Greatest Company,' argues that Apple had a nation-building-like influence on China, asserting that 'China wouldn't be China without Apple.' He credits Apple's manufacturing design unit, not Tim Cook alone, for training millions of workers and building industrial clusters, with iPhone production rising from 5 million units in 2007 to 230 million by 2015. McGee details how Apple, facing a potential blacklist after Xi Jinping's rise in 2013, promised in May 2016 to invest $275 billion in Chinese factories over five years, a figure he compares to the Marshall Plan. He contends Apple inadvertently strengthened Chinese competitors like Xiaomi and Huawei, which collectively killed Nokia. McGee warns that China's manufacturing dominance, supercharged by AI, poses a growing threat, and advises the U.S. to leverage allies rather than replicate China's industrial policy.

Key takeaways

  1. Apple's $275 billion investment promise to Chinese factories in 2016 was double the Marshall Plan's $131 billion in a similar period.
  2. Apple's supply chain study found it was investing $55 billion per year in Chinese factories and paying wages to up to 3 million people annually.
  3. Chinese imitators of Apple, not Apple itself, killed Nokia, as they collectively hold nearly 60% global market share.
  4. China is on track to have 45% of global manufacturing production by 2030, according to the United Nations.
  5. Apple spends more than $100 billion per year on share buybacks and dividends, more than Wall Street's top seven banks combined.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$275 billion Promised investment in Chinese factories over five years commitment 8:04
$55 billion Annual investment in Chinese factory machinery metric 8:04
3 million People paid wages in Apple supply chain annually metric 8:04
230 million iPhone units produced by 2015 metric 3:15
$131 billion Marshall Plan investment in 2015 dollars metric 8:04
45% China's projected share of global manufacturing by 2030 guidance 18:39
$1.2 trillion China's trade surplus last year metric 18:39
15% Increase in China's trade surplus in first months of this year metric 18:39
$100 billion Annual Apple spending on buybacks and dividends metric 11:28
300 million China's migrant workers metric 22:02

Chapters

  1. 0:00Apple's nation-building influence on China
  2. 2:49Who was responsible for Apple's China strategy
  3. 6:37Apple's engineering mindset in China
  4. 8:04The $275 billion Cook Plan
  5. 11:28Apple's inadvertent creation of Chinese competitors
  6. 14:21Foxconn's role in Apple's supply chain
  7. 18:39China's manufacturing dominance and AI
  8. 22:02Policy lessons for the West
  9. 24:11Book as introduction to China's rise

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 1:11Um, I want to ask you, when you set out to write the book, did you have an idea of the story that you wanted to tell, or did it really evolve as you dug more and more into things?
  2. 2:17On the individual, the people who made this possible, who at Apple was the most responsible for Apple's role in China?
  3. 5:36Is that what was part of their thinking?
  4. 11:22Can we go as far for China?
  5. 13:54What is its role in this build up?
  6. 17:42I mean, how do you think about the vulnerability of the U.S., of all these major companies or the world at large, as you look at China and its power today?
  7. 21:24and Canada, North America, uh, or the so-called West remain, uh, or try to get ahead and do not allow China to dominate. What would it be?
  8. 23:55I mean, so is this really, I mean, it's kind of an Apple and China story, but do you really feel like, especially in the environment we are today, that this is really a big message about China to the world?
Host 0:00 ↗
Safe to say we follow Apple so closely. We love talking with our Mark Gurman who follows it very closely. It is, of course, one of the largest market cap companies in the world. A company whose brand, whose products, whose supply chain, whose deftness in managing tricky politics in the United States and in China is revered by many. And yet, as investigative journalist Patrick McGee wrote in his New York Times bestseller that was named by The Times, by The New Yorker, by the Washington Post, by Foreign Affairs, by The Globe and Mail as one of the best books written in 2025. He writes about the rise of Apple and how it led to an even greater rise by China, and perhaps at a huge cost or implications, certainly for the company and maybe for the world at large. Patrick is a former journalist at the Financial Times. His book was out in May of 2025, but with everything going on, we wanted to bring him in. And I'm going to be quite honest, I was listening to a podcast with Anthony Scaramucci before he came on. And Patrick, he mentioned your book. He loved it. He loved it. Um, it is entitled 'Apple in China: The Capture of the World's Greatest Company.' And Patrick is joining us on this Friday from the Bloomberg News San Francisco bureau. It is great to have you here.
It is a company we talk about so much. And then we think about the rise of China as well. Um, I want to ask you, when you set out to write the book, did you have an idea of the story that you wanted to tell, or did it really evolve as you dug more and more into things?
Patrick McGee 1:28 ↗
So I wrote a 70-page book pitch to get the book deal. So I certainly had a pretty clear sense of what the book was going to say. But nevertheless, I ended up being flabbergasted by the extent to which Apple had a massive influence on China. So if you've read the book, you know that the thesis in the sense is that Apple had a nation-building-like influence on China. It would be trivial to say that Apple wouldn't be Apple without China. I actually argue that China wouldn't be China without Apple. It's a sort of thesis that sounds, I think, pretty unhinged, even bonkers. Um, but if you go through the 400 pages, I think it's pretty well stacked up. Um, so I didn't think that I was going in that direction. I was trying to write a standard corporate history of how Apple became the most valuable company on the planet, and I ended up writing something that had geopolitical implications, uh, the likes of which I had de minimis understanding before tackling the project.
Host 2:17 ↗
Well, I think what's so notable is what happened since he wrote the book, and that's the fact that Tim Cook is out as CEO, but he remains as executive chairman in his role as executive chair. He continues to meet with the heads of state of many countries throughout the world, including China, including the United States. And, you know, just in the last couple of weeks, he was at that state dinner with Xi Jinping in Washington, DC. On the individual, the people who made this possible, who at Apple was the most responsible for Apple's role in China?
Patrick McGee 2:49 ↗
That's a good question. I mean, I don't want to give the boring answer of Tim Cook, but of course, he was the CEO since 2011. I mean, it certainly wasn't Steve Jobs, right? Steve Jobs, as far as I know, if someone wants to prove me wrong, go ahead. Never stepped foot in China in his whole life. So as instrumental as he was for Apple and product design, he was not the guy running operations or making the decisions. Never went to China, but Tim Cook. Yeah.
Host 3:13 ↗
Go ahead. Sorry, but Tim Cook was there all the time now.
Patrick McGee 3:15 ↗
That being said, Tim Cook traditionally goes to China 2 or 3 times a year, and it's certainly not difficult to find people who are living in China on behalf of Apple or going there. You know, so many times per year that they would say the idea that Tim Cook is the reason that either we're succeeding in China or whatever is faintly ridiculous because of course, he's more orchestrating things from Cupertino. But there are people on the ground in the weeds, you know, training suppliers and that sort of thing. So it's not a particular individual. I would say it's the unit called manufacturing design, a unit within Apple that specifically goes from Cupertino or from other parts of Asia, but traditionally from Cupertino to factories across Asia and over time, increasingly directly to China to train up factories. Um, you know, we're talking millions upon millions of people were trained at the behest of Apple to meet their quality demands and then to learn how to retain that quality as they scaled. And the result of that was the formation of entire industrial clusters devoted to building something like the iPhone, which of course, goes from 5 million units in 2007 to 230 million by 2015. So yeah, sorry. The reason I don't think that's a boring answer is because Tim Cook may have become CEO in 2011, but Tim Cook was the supply chain guy for a decade before this. So he was the one who was figuring out where in the world these things could be made, and also the supply chains and the complicated supply chains that would make this possible. So I'm slightly being pedantic, but I would say that I disagree with the general notion that Tim Cook was the architect of the China strategy. That's sort of the word people had used to describe him before I wrote the book. I would say you can give him a nice title like Admiral rather than architect. The reason I say that is because when Apple adopts an outsourcing strategy in 1996 and then consolidates basically everything to China in 2003, it's not really that they're deciding, hey, you know, it's a good place to manufacture, it's China. It's that hundreds of suppliers who had previously been in America, but principally in Korea and Japan and especially Taiwan. They were moving to China. And so I say, Admiral, because Tim Cook sort of navigated the macroeconomic seas better than anybody else, but he didn't actually sort of build, uh, or decide that China was the answer. They were kind of late to the game of both outsourcing and moving to China. They just did better than everybody else.
Host 5:36 ↗
So I want to go to, you know, I think about Apple when it was thinking about starting its investments and having its manufacturing happening in China, I would imagine. And I think you, uh, cite an Apple engineer talking about visiting suppliers in the southern Chinese Manufacturing Center, Shenzhen. It's also something that The Times I know highlighted. Two was horrified that there were no elevators in the slapdash facility, that the stairs were built with troubling irregularity with, say, 12 steps of varying heights between the first and second floors and 18 to the next and 16, then 24. Apple, if you think about this company, Patrick, you know, design and even the packaging, everything is so immaculate. Like to go over there and understand kind of what they were walking into initially. I always think about a corporate conscience or thinking, is this really the right thing? Or do they really play into that narrative that the whole world did at that time of we're going to go over there and we're going to help the plight of Chinese workers. We're going to create better situations for them. Is that what was part of their thinking?
Patrick McGee 6:37 ↗
You know, my favorite quote in the book comes from a former vice president at Apple, we're having coffee, and I'm asking all these geopolitical questions about the rise of China. And he says to me, are you sure you're not overthinking your thesis because you keep talking about geopolitics? But I can tell you, I was there in China when we were building up the supply chain in the early 2000s. And we weren't thinking about geopolitics at all. And that might as well be on the back of the book. That is the thesis in a nutshell, that Apple was very engineering minded, perfectionist mindset, very product focused, and wasn't sending people over to sort of learn Mandarin and affairs of state and understand the perspective of their partners. They were there to get stuff done. And they had really demanding bosses, making sure they got stuff done. And I don't think they quite realized the implications or consequences of what it meant to scale just warmest quantities of the most iconic product of the 21st century in a country, just as it became an adversary of the US. I mean, that's the whole tension of the narrative right there.
Host 7:41 ↗
It is. It's incredible. Go there. And I forgive me. I know you have said this a million times over. Me listening to podcasts and so on and so forth, but the size and scope in terms of the amount of money that was invested over and over again by Apple continues. Or although we know that they are kind of spreading out in terms of manufacturing. Give us some of the numbers. Give us that size and scope, if you will.
Patrick McGee 8:04 ↗
Yeah. So within the narrative context here, what happens? Xi Jinping comes into power in 2013. And Apple is within 36 hours on the back foot, basically put in a position where they think our products might get blacklisted, not an idle threat. Facebook had been blacklisted, Google had been blacklisted, and Apple had become, by this point, the most successful retailer within China and the most successful operator. So the idea that it's going to have a problem in China, both in terms of manufacturing and selling, becomes something close to an existential crisis, and Apple has to figure out what to do. In figuring out what to do, there's this gang of characters called the Gang of Eight, sort of the eyes and ears of Cupertino on the ground, senior people living in China for the first time ever, despite having a presence there for 20 years at that point. And, um, they and the government affairs team essentially do a supply chain audit, a supply chain study and recognize that what they're investing into Chinese factories is $55 billion per year. To be clear, this does not count the components. I'm not talking about aluminum chassis or anything like that. If you were to count that, it would double or triple the figure. This is just counting the machinery that Apple is purchasing and putting on suppliers' production lines. And crucially, it was the wages of up to 3 million people per year in the Apple supply chain, principally concentrated in China of course. And so this is not a figure that's been updated. And I don't think Apple internally tallies it. But effectively what happens is this study goes to Tim Cook. And in May 2016, he and his operating chief Jeff Williams, um, go to Zhongnanhai. That's like the citadel of communist power, the equivalent of the White House, if you will. And they promised to quintuple that figure over five years. So they promised to invest $275 billion into Chinese factories. The reason why this is important is because at the time, Xi Jinping, um, his chief policy was called Made in China 2025. Right. In effect, the idea was we're going to make the world dependent on China, and we're going to be less dependent on the world. So it's a play to indigenous innovation, right? Indigenous production in the country. And Apple basically realizes this is, of course, my wording, not theirs. We are the biggest contributor of Made in China 2025. And the reason why Beijing is upset with us is they have no idea how much we are doing to up train the engineering, upskill and train engineering forces across the country. So this figure is enormous, and it's so big that I couldn't find another example of a corporation investing that much in another country. So I had to go to nation-building efforts. Right. And so if you take the Marshall Plan, which was America and some allies investing in 16 countries to a devastated Europe after World War Two, in $2015, that was $131 billion invested in four years. So the Cook Plan, if you will, was double the amount in a similar time period. And where is the Marshall Plan, if you remember from your high school textbooks? Is effectively an investment to ward off the threat of communism from the Soviet Union? Sort of like making hay. Uh, you know, it's becoming more popular in places like France or Eastern Europe. The idea is to ward off communism. The Cook Plan is the opposite. It's a way to ingratiate Apple with the communist rulers in Beijing so that they can continue to have shareholder success there. So it's quite a remarkable comparison.
Host 11:22 ↗
Can we go as far for China? Forgive me. Apple knew exactly what they were doing.

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