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Allison Johnson
Senior Reviewer, The Verge

Apple's Foldable Phone Is Finally Here

📅 Oct 22, 2026 TWiT Tech Podcast Network 17 MIN 323 VIEWS 23 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
On Tech News Weekly, Allison Johnson of The Verge stops by the show to talk about Apple's new iPhone Duo and shares her honest take on Apple's first folding phone. You can find more about TWiT and subscribe to our full shows at https://podcasts.twit.tv Subscribe: https://twit.tv/subscribe Products we recommend: https://www.amazon.com/shop/twitnetca... TWiT may earn commissions on certain products. Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit Join our TWiT Communit...

What Allison Johnson said

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Allison Johnson, senior smartphone reviewer at The Verge, discussed her week with Apple's first foldable, the iPhone Duo. She described its passport-like shape, noting the 5.4-inch cover screen is small and the phone is heavy, nudging users to open it for the wide inner display with a matte finish. She adapted to Touch ID, finding it slow but enabling Apple Watch unlock for speed. She clarified the inner screen runs iPhone apps, not iPad apps, with three optimization tiers: iOS 26 apps show black bars, iOS 27 apps stretch, and iOS 27.1 apps use the Duo's controls. She praised the matte display for glare reduction, especially on flights, but noted it reduces contrast. Battery life was strong, but she missed the telephoto camera, saying digital zoom isn't a replacement. She found the build reassuring and recommended AppleCare for peace of mind.

Key takeaways

  1. The iPhone Duo's inner screen runs iPhone apps, not iPad apps, with optimization tiers from iOS 26 to 27.1.
  2. Battery life lasted a five-hour flight from under 50% to 30% on Wi-Fi.
  3. The Duo lacks a telephoto camera; digital zoom is not a replacement.
  4. Apple Watch integration for unlocking felt faster than Touch ID.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
5.4-inch Cover screen size metric 1:14
$2,000 Starting price of iPhone Duo price 10:55
30% Battery level after five-hour flight metric 11:32

Chapters

  1. 0:00iPhone Duo design and cover screen
  2. 3:26Unlocking with Touch ID and Apple Watch
  3. 6:13App optimization on inner screen
  4. 9:09Matte display performance
  5. 11:32Battery life and camera limitations
  6. 14:29Durability and repair advice

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:00So, we have to ask: is it the future of the iPhone, or is it just a very expensive first draft?
  2. 0:46So for folks who haven't held one yet, which is most people, what is the iPhone Duo like closed versus open, and then how did that shape change the way that you actually used it day-to-day?
  3. 2:38And also, what's your day-to-day smartphone and your kind of typical unlocking use case?
  4. 5:17And yeah, that's something I kept seeing in response to people who were saying, 'I'm interested in this phone.' People saying, 'Isn't it just opens up and it's an iPad inside?
  5. 7:56How did it hold up in the situations where you were going into that big screen? What made it good?
  6. 10:55How did the cameras and the battery hold up for you, especially while you were traveling with it?
  7. 13:34And then I guess most importantly to me, did you feel a sense within yourself of needing to be more precious with it, about where you put it and tucked it away, and was that kind of constantly in your mind?
  8. 16:16If people would like to keep up to date with the work that you're doing, where are the places they should go to do so?
Host 0:00 ↗
This is Twit. For almost two decades now, the iPhone has changed in small and careful ways. Apple, though, has made its biggest bet on the shape of its phone since the very first one. It's a device that unfolds into something new and, frankly, asks longtime iPhone users like many of our listeners to rethink the habits that they've had for years. So, we have to ask: is it the future of the iPhone, or is it just a very expensive first draft? Here to tell us, after a week of folding, flipping, and living with it, is The Verge's senior smartphone reviewer, Allison Johnson. Welcome to the show, Allison.
Allison Johnson 0:44 ↗
Hey, thanks for having me.
Host 0:46 ↗
Absolutely. So, let's get right into it. Apple's first foldable has finally joined the market. I think, in comparison to other foldables, it's shaped less like that tall slab and instead is more like a passport. So for folks who haven't held one yet, which is most people, what is the iPhone Duo like closed versus open, and then how did that shape change the way that you actually used it day-to-day?
Allison Johnson 1:14 ↗
Yeah. So, Apple did go with this kind of passport shape. And, you know, as you mentioned, a lot of the previous book-style foldables have been in that more tall and narrow kind of format. So, I've got the phone here. It's a sort of... it's tough to use one-handed, honestly, on the cover screen. It's a small screen. It's a 5.4-inch display, and a good chunk of the side of the front is taken up by a control panel. So it's, you know, it's fine for quick text, scrolling through email, just whatever you want to do quickly on your phone. I enjoy a small screen, honestly. I'm like an iPhone mini girly.
Host 2:05 ↗
Okay.
Allison Johnson 2:06 ↗
Yeah. But it is kind of a heavy, chunky phone, so you do tend to want to open it up, and that's where I think this phone really shines, is having that wide aspect screen. Not just that, but the matte finish on the display is very nice. So everything sort of nudges you toward that experience, and I think that's the one that people will really be drawn to and really enjoy.
Host 2:38 ↗
Yeah. And one of the... I mean, you touched on it there, and it's something that I've been considering because I am left-handed. One of the loudest reactions online after the announcement was about the one-handed use, especially from left-handed people. I didn't say anything out loud, but I was thinking it. They were worried about controls living on the right side, right? Along with plenty of people, this is where I did get loud, wondering how they'd feel about trading Face ID, the beautiful, wonderful Face ID, for Touch ID. So, now that you've had the opportunity to live with it, I'd like to know what was holding and unlocking the Duo really like? Did you find anything that made it easier? And also, what's your day-to-day smartphone and your kind of typical unlocking use case?
Allison Johnson 3:26 ↗
Yeah. So, the funny thing that happened is just being so used to Face ID being there. I would pick up the phone and, you know, your notifications are sort of bunched up, and I would just stare at it waiting for Face ID to kick in. And then the notifications would expand. Obviously, that didn't happen, and I had to be like, 'Oh, yeah, Touch ID.' I got used to it. It was okay. It didn't ruin my life. It feels a little slow. There is a deliberate kind of lag, so you aren't just launched right into your home screen, it sounds like. And you can tweak that in the settings. I didn't end up doing that. What I did do, just in the past couple days, is enable the Apple Watch integration where you can unlock it with your watch. And that has felt a lot faster for me and much more like, okay, I am just jumping into whatever I'm doing, because I am frequently like holding a cup of coffee and doing something and having to reposition my hand and then wait wasn't my favorite experience.
So the other thing that will happen to you is that you kind of, by its nature, turn the phone into different positions. You can do all the things where it's like kind of folded in half, or you open it up and you rotate it to portrait orientation, and all of a sudden the buttons are in totally different places. So one of the hot tips we got was to enroll a lot of fingers, so you always have a finger that's close by where the Touch ID is, so you're not reaching around with your thumb.
Host 5:14 ↗
That makes sense. That makes sense.
So, a lot of people seem to assume that the Duo simply opens up into an iPad, but it's not really how Apple built it. So what happens when you open an app on that inner screen? And how much does your experience depend on which app you're using? I know that, in leading up to this, I went around on Reddit and social media to see kind of what are the questions that everyone seems to have and what are maybe the misunderstandings that people have before getting a chance to talk to you. And yeah, that's something I kept seeing in response to people who were saying, 'I'm interested in this phone.' People saying, 'Isn't it just opens up and it's an iPad inside? Why not just have an iPad mini?' But the software, as you said, seems to encourage people to go to that bigger inside screen and use that experience.

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Johnson, A. (2026, October 22). Apple's Foldable Phone Is Finally Here [Interview transcript]. TWiT Tech Podcast Network. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3116225/

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Allison Johnson. "Apple's Foldable Phone Is Finally Here." TWiT Tech Podcast Network, 22 Oct. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3116225/.

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