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Administrator (15th, confirmed Dec 2025), National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)

Jared Isaacman Provides an Update on Artemis Acceleration Plans

📅 Oct 23, 2026 NASASpaceflight 156 MIN 35889 VIEWS 233 SEGMENTS · 16 SPEAKERS
NASA leadership will provide an update on the agencies plans to accelerate the Artemis program. Participants include: NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman NASA Associate Administrator Amit Kshatriya Jeremy Parsons, NASA’s Artemis program manager 🔗 NSF Store: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/shop/ ⚡ Become a member of NSF's channel for exclusive discord access, fast turnaround clips, and other exclusive benefits. Your support helps us continue our 24/7 coverage. Click JOIN above to get started.⚡ 🔍 If you are interested in using footage from this video, please review our content use p...

What Jared Isaacman said

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Jared Isaacman, NASA Administrator, hosted a press conference at Kennedy Space Center to outline the agency's accelerated Artemis program. He framed the effort as a new space race against China, emphasizing a shift from bureaucratic inertia to an Apollo-style culture of urgency and engineering ownership. He detailed the Artemis 3 mission, a low Earth orbit test flight scheduled for summer 2027, involving SLS/Orion docking with a Blue Origin Blue Moon test lander and a SpaceX Starship. Isaacman highlighted the development of a lighter 'sortie' space suit and a 'Stretched Centaur' upper stage to improve performance and reduce risk. He confirmed that NASA is preserving options for both Blue Origin and SpaceX to be the first to land astronauts on the moon in 2028, with uncrewed demonstration missions planned for late 2027.

Key takeaways

  1. NASA is targeting a summer 2027 launch for Artemis 3, a low Earth orbit mission testing docking with two commercial landers.
  2. Isaacman confirmed NASA's goal to return American astronauts to the lunar surface in 2028, saying, 'we have no intention of surrendering a viable path to the surface.'
  3. The agency has introduced a new 'sortie' space suit, cutting mass from over 500 lb to about 250 lb for early lunar missions.
  4. A 'Stretched Centaur' upper stage is being developed to increase SLS performance, providing up to 43 metric tons to trans-lunar injection.
  5. Isaacman said SpaceX's estimate of six to eight Starship launches for propellant aggregation is more accurate than a higher estimate of 22.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
summer 2027 Targeted launch window for the Artemis 3 mission timeline 16:09
2028 Target year for American astronauts to land on the moon timeline 17:14
250 lb Mass of the new 'sortie' space suit metric 1:01:03
43 metric tons SLS trans-lunar injection performance with Stretched Centaur metric 1:50:26
14-day Baseline duration for the Artemis 3 mission metric 39:07
50% Increase in propellant capacity for the Stretched Centaur metric 1:01:03
90 days Current schedule slip for Artemis 3 metric 1:39:57

Chapters

  1. 0:00Opening remarks and space race framing
  2. 39:07Artemis 3 mission architecture overview
  3. 44:19Artemis 3 hardware progress
  4. 1:01:03Artemis 4 risk reduction and new components
  5. 1:12:23Artemis 4 concept of operations
  6. 1:20:06Q&A on Lunar Lander Abort Capability and Moon Base Location
  7. 1:24:01Q&A on Starship Refueling Flights
  8. 1:46:02Q&A on Artemis 3 Schedule and Supply Chain

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 1:20:06Is there any such capability with either of these landers that once you commit to landing, something goes wrong, can you get out of it or are you committed to the mission from that point forward?
  2. 1:20:56So, I mean, I don't know if you have some thoughts, but essentially, it's not like a, I mean, we have engines that are fully firing, right?
  3. 1:21:22Is that under consideration? And if not, why not?
  4. 1:29:43Could you talk a little bit about what you took away from that and what you thought the fundamental problems were that led to the Apollo fire and what you need to be looking out for as you're moving forward with this return to the moon?
  5. 1:35:23Well, you know, I would just say right when we look across all of those big risks, one of them is if our landers and some of these accelerated concepts could only do 30 days in an EPO mission, right?
  6. 1:37:51So what's the plan for NASA for something like that or what the concern they increase?
  7. 1:39:30And then do you have a specific date for New Glenn relaunching?
  8. 1:43:24And what have they communicated to you about how they plan to juggle their HLS flight testing schedule with all their other obligations for Starship such as launching Starlinks and orbital data centers?
  9. 1:46:02What is breaking the schedule by 90 days so far?
  10. 1:54:48Like will they both be kept around for a period or will we sort of see a movement to Centaur and only Centaur and then like ICPS, the final ICPS not being used?
  11. 1:55:39So, it's actually, it's a great question, right?
  12. 2:02:29Would you put money on it?
Kevin Michael Reid 0:00 ↗
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We are live at Kennedy Space Center and we are nasapasflight.com. I'm Kevin Michael Reid and we're coming live as NASA prepares to discuss the future of the Aremis mission and the Artemis program.
According to what we have seen on NASA's website, uh well, we've been talking about this since Jared Isaacman came in to office as administrator. NASA plans to accelerate America's return to the moon. Of course, that is a pretty significant word, accelerate. And it does bring up a lot of questions. NASA has been working towards returning astronauts to the the lunar surface for years.
From technical hurdles and schedules schedule delays and questions um about all the pieces of this puzzle that creates the Aremis mission. Today we might get a clearer picture of how NASA intends to do these things as uh Jared Isaacman and team present uh an Artemis acceleration press conference.
Uh we are going to bring the press conference to you live from Kennedy Space Center uh where our own Dys is on the ground with a live camera. We also have feeds coming in from NASA as well. Um the press conference has not started uh just yet. Um but our our goal today is to bring you this conference as much as uh they provide with provide us and uh then of course on the flame trench this evening we will break down all of the uh information uh that we learn from this. What does it mean from the art art for the Artemis program and uh what happens next. So whether you're joining us live or watching us later, welcome to nasapaspaceflight.com's uh YouTube channel and Facebook as well.
Hello Facebook. And uh if you guys would help me just a little bit, let me know and let's bother the mods. Let me know where you're watching from because of course Artemis goes beyond our Earth. Um maybe you're watching from Mars or uh or even the lunar surface, I don't know. Um so we've got a potentially very interesting afternoon. Um and uh we are expecting this news conference to last approximately 90 minutes. Um maybe shorter, maybe longer. It is currently 2:03. Um and the press conference was supposed to start at about the top of the hour. Of course, press conferences never start on time.
I am seeing Albania, Kent, UK, Australia, Czech Republic, Germany, Eugene, Oregon, Denmark, New York, France, Albania again, North Texas, uh, Terraarma, Earth. Good. Okay, good. Because there's um I think what about 10 astronauts uh out right now [snorts] uh outside of uh Earth. Um Tel Aviv, Israel, uh Tennessee, USA, Denmark, Ohio, Sri Lanka, hello Sri Lanka, uh Ohio, Romania, France, Vancouver, Austria.
Cool. So, uh, everybody who is sitting on the stage right now, of course, is waiting for the official NASA stream to go live. Um, they will eventually get a countdown in the room and, uh, they will be told now it's time to talk. Um, I see Kosovo, Arizona.
Um, the VAB. Well, that's pretty cool if you're at the VAB. Uh, welcome. Um I am getting word from in the room from our own Dise who is operating this camera um that the press conference is about to start and they are playing the intro um for the press conference in the room. Um we cannot show that intro primarily because it is a uh it has copyrighted music. Um, but hopefully uh NASA won't play a ton of copyrighted music during this press conference.
George Alderman 8:00 ↗
NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. I'm George Alderman, NASA's deputy press secretary. We're here today to share a series of updates on NASA's ongoing work to accelerate the Aremis program, including the progress we're making towards next year's Artemis 3 mission and the Aremis and the Artemis 4 mission that will return American astronauts to the moon in 2028. Today, you'll hear from NASA administrator Jared Isaacman, NASA associate administrator and chief engineer Amit Shathria, and Aremis program manager Jeremy Parsons. Following these presentations, we'll have the opportunity to answer questions from the media in the room and over the phone. But before we hear from our presenters, we're first going to bring you live to the vehicle assembly building just across the road from us here at KSC to hear and see our progress on assembling the space launch system rocket for next year's Aremis 3 mission. Over to you, Megan.
Megan 8:53 ↗
Thank you, George. And yes, welcome into a very busy VAB here where crews are actively working on the core stage you see right behind me. Of course, the core stage, the backbone of NASA's SLS rocket. This one in particular will fly NASA's Aremis 3 crew. Really just stop to think about what I just said uh for a moment there. Just 6 months ago, we launched Victor Reed, Jeremy, and Christina around the moon with Artemis 2. And now here we are a short time later about to assemble the rocket that will fly the next crew. Really impressive stuff. Now let's keep walking here. The core stage. Let's take a closer look. About the length of a 20-story building, nearly 28 ft in diameter. It stores more than 733,000 gallons of super cold liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen and all the systems to feed those propellants into the four RS25 engines you see there. It's currently horizontal in the transfer aisle because teams are currently in the process of moving it around in the VAB. Just yesterday, it was vertical in high bay 2. We actually snapped some pictures as teams skillfully pulled it up and out of the highay and then lowered it into the transfer aisle and laid it on its side. And now what you're seeing are teams currently weighing it. Engineers need to know how much it weighs to be able to calculate a flight design. Next week, teams will get it vertical again, this time in highay 4 to connect it with these two solid rocket boosters. Both boosters were fully assembled earlier this month. And once integrated, teams will do final checks before rolling everything out to launchpad 39B to practice fueling the rocket. Again, a really huge milestone for teams supporting all of this work. It speaks to their commitment to the schedule and all of our goals as an agency. Artemis 3, set to launch next year, will send four astronauts to low Earth orbit to practice docking their Orion spacecraft with two commercial test landers that could ultimately land people on the moon with Artemis 4. To talk more about all of our ambitious goals, let's send it back across the street with administrator Isaac.
Jared Isaacman 11:05 ↗
Well, that is great. Thank you so much. [clears throat] Before even beginning my remarks, I mean, how impressive is that? I'm just so proud of the entire NASA workforce, Jeremy, especially your team. I mean, we're talking a handful of months ago that Artemis 2 just launched and came back. Look at all the amazing progress you see on the vehicle for the next mission. So, with that, good afternoon.
Megan 11:24 ↗
Good afternoon.
Jared Isaacman 11:25 ↗
It is my great pleasure to welcome you all back to Kennedy Space Center for an update on the Aremis program. Again want to express my appreciation, my thank yous to the workforce here at Kennedy and across NASA, our industry and our international partners who are making everything we are about to discuss today possible.
Now let us go back in time bear bear with me all for a little bit. Some 58 years ago it's October 1968 and just hours ago the Apollo 7 astronauts splashed down from the first crude mission of the Apollo program. Now, the Saturn 5 for Apollo 8, it's already assembled. It's out at launch complex 39A. And in less than two months, that mission is going to fly, sending Frank Borman, Jim Levelvel, and Bill Anders into lunar orbit. In the vehicle assembly building, the Saturn 5 for Apollo 9 is already waiting. The lunar module, the LEM for Apollo 10, it's already been delivered. And in the midst of all of that mission activity I'm describing, nine months from now, the Eagle's going to land and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin will walk on the moon.
Now, of course, it is it is no secret that NASA was playing our part in a rivalry between two superpowers. It was a different time with extraordinary national resources committed to that objective. But we also knew so very little. With so little technology to aid in our efforts and no experience operating at all beyond low Earth orbit. And yet in that remarkably short span of time, the ambitions of generations once confined to the pages of science fiction became humanity's greatest achievement. And for the first time in in billions of years, life born on Earth would set foot on another world. [snorts] And here we are today very much in a new space race. And despite decades of accumulated knowledge and extraordinary advancements in technology, this race will be much closer than it ever needed to be. And why is that? I mean, China achieved its John Glenn moment, its first solo orbital human space flight just 23 years ago. Now, at that point, not only had NASA won the first space race, we put our astronauts on the moon six times. And at that point, we had flown 113 space shuttle missions before China had put their first astronaut in space. And from there in 2003, a Chinese space program once in its infancy has since deployed hundreds of communication satellite, earth observation satellites, military satellites. They've developed autonomous lunar landers and rovers. They've returned samples from the far side of the moon. And they are preparing alongside Russia to build a moon base of their own. Now, China will soon have reusable rockets. They have spacecraft and landers and an infrastructure for a credible two launch architecture to put their astronauts on the lunar surface in the next three years.
Now this is a story as much about their discipline, focus and urgency. It is about the weight of institutional inertia and misplaced priorities and decades of decisions some imposed upon us and others of our own making that have held America's space program back. And that brings us to the moment we find ourselves in today. Because the appetite, the appetite for tolerating and defending the status quo has reached its conclusion. No longer will we create programs that are too big to fail and too costly to succeed in the hopes of trying to make everyone happy. We will not compromise our architecture, performance, or capabilities to accommodate the the lobby of suppliers or to preserve technologies. Time has passed. We will not allow layers of process and bureaucratic inertia and endless deliberation take precedence over engineering progress and getting hardware built and flown. We will not outsource our expertise anymore and we will not dilute ourselves into believing that more time, more money and flying less will somehow make our work safer or more achievable. We are here for the mission and to deliver the outcomes the world expects of the most accomplished space agency in history.
And what I am describing this is this is not some long overdue disruption. It's not entrepreneurial thinking or tech tech industry pixie dust or or some new management philosophy. It's about our own history. It's a playbook this agency knows really well. The same playbook that went from Apollo 7 splashdown to Apollo 11 in just 9 months. And as extraordinary as those achievements were, they should not represent the upper limits of what NASA is capable of, but the standard that we should continuously aspire to exceed. Which is why we are bringing that intensity, that discipline, that engineering ownership back to NASA because great nations do not remain great by being caretakers of history, but by continuously making history.
So soon you're going to hear from NASA's associate administrator and uh chief engineer, Amit Rashia, and leader of the Artemis program, Jeremy Parsons. And they're going to tell you what we've gotten right. They're going to tell you what we've gotten wrong and the extremely hard work ahead on America's return to the moon. Because confronting our shortcomings and doing something about them is how confidence is earned. It's how cultures are changed and it's how the might of a great space agency is once again unleashed. Ahmed and Jeremy will talk to you about the Artemis 3 hardware being assembled right here at Kennedy Space Center. what's on track, the absolutely outstanding performance of the workforce that has cut the assembly and integration schedule in half, and the work ahead toward a year-end tanking test and a summer 2027 Artemis 3 launch. And when Artemis 3 does fly next year, we will have exercised those big rocket muscles that we will have strengthened and in the process bring together the three three of the world's most powerful rockets alongside the Orion spacecraft and the two human landing systems in development to test the interoperability and capabilities we're going to need before the next mission.
They will talk to you about Artemis 4 and the optionality we are preserving to give both of our lunar landing partners the greatest opportunity for readiness in advance of astronauts landing on the moon in 2028. And we have no intention of surrendering a viable path to the surface before the data and schedule compels us to do so. You will learn how the moonbased missions, especially Blue Origin's new Glenn rocket and Mark1 landers, share important commonality with the transfer stages and crude landers that will follow. These missions will do far more than lay the first kind of figurative brick of America's moon base. Every mission is going to provide invaluable engineering data, reduce risk, and build confidence in the crude landings ahead. And when American astronauts do take their first steps on the lunar surface in 2028, a rover and the first elements of an enduring human presence on the moon will already be waiting for them.
So like the space race of the 1960s, we are hardly in a position to set it and forget it with respect to our planning. We will never stop listening to data and adapt as circumstances require just as we did during Apollo and just or just as we did during Gemini and just as we did during Apollo. Now that means simplifying and dramatically reducing the mass of our lunar space suits means improving our upper stage performance to get Orion closer to the moon and modifying Orion to accommodate different lander requirements. Now, in this incredibly demanding and dangerous business of putting astronauts on the moon, NASA must own the near impossible rather than shifting the burden to our partners. That is how we get we give Artemis 4 the greatest possible chance of safely and successfully returning Americans to lunar surface in 2028.
And to be really clear, there are serious engineering challenges ahead. Getting Orion to low lunar orbit means solving propulsion and spacecraft integration problems that were left unressed for far too long. Advancing two very different landing systems requires demonstrating capabilities ranging from complex launch campaigns, large-scale cryogenic prop transfer to the to the aggregation of stages in orbit. These are not trivial matters to solve and no amount of of my enthusiasm or schedule pressure changes the laws of physics. What we are undertaking is ambitious. It's extraordinarily difficult and years of decisions both within and beyond the walls of this agency have cost us time and resources that we never had to spare. But the agency we are reinvigorating and the extraordinary vehicles our industry partners are building are worth every bit of that effort.
This will not be a repeat of the flags and foot footprints. These vehicles are being designed to dramatically reduce the cost of delivering mass to orbit and to the moon to support longer surface operations, enable more frequent astronaut missions, and transform what will begin as a small scientific outpost into something that may one day resemble a city on the lunar surface. This mountain of effort is our opportunity to potentially spark a lunar economy, to unleash scientific discovery, to learn to live and work beyond our home planet, and mature the technologies we will need for the day when NASA astronauts embark on humanity's next giant leap to Mars.
Now, we will never compromise on testing and qualifying the hardware that our astronauts and frankly America's space program depends upon. And we will never launch until we are ready. But we will not accept that great achievements simply require more time and more money. Nor will NASA sit idly by and watch one of the most consequential moments of this new century past our overseas competitors. We are rebuilding the workforce and core competencies that eroded over decades. We are restoring our ability to design, build, test, and fly hardware our missions and industry partners depend upon. We are deploying talent from across NASA centers and throughout the supply chain to attack the critical path. Every vendor and partner should understand that when a schedule is broken, NASA personnel will be knocking on the door and not to observe, not to write a paper or convene a committee, but to roll up their sleeves and solve problems. This is what extreme ownership looks like and the capabilities we are rebuilding today will serve America long after the first astronauts return from the moon.
This is a very energized NASA and the updates you hear today are only a small part of that story. I am beyond proud of how the team has responded since our ignition event earlier this year. And you can see it here at Kennedy in the in the vehicle assembly uh building in our machine shops that are running around the clock across our centers and throughout our industry partners because there is of course much much to do. And that brings us to where all of this began when the men and women of this agency were in the home stretch of a great race with extraordinary challenges still ahead. We find ourselves at a similar moment under very different circumstances with perhaps even more at stake. And just as the Apollo generation rose to the occasion, so too will the young engineers that are working late at night right now on Orion, the welders that are helping to modify Centaur and the mobile launcher, the technicians that are in the machine shops, the flight controllers preparing for Artemis 3, and the intern getting that first glimpse of what it means to be part of NASA. The work they do from here, the obstacles they overcome, the culture they create, and the agency they reinvigorate will make possible the dreams of tomorrow.
And my hope is when the history books look back on this time, the politics over which rocket and landers carried us to the moon, how long it took and at what cost will be a footnote compared to all that followed. That when the time came, the Aremis [clears throat] generation chose to go and we went. And [snorts] thank you. And I'll turn over to associate administrator and chief engineer Amish Shhatria.
Amit Shathria 22:59 ↗
Thank you, sir. You guys can hear me. Okay. Okay. So, hard to follow, but I'm I'm here kind of Jeremy fortunately, is going to take most of this, but um I just one thing I wanted to do here is connect the vision you just heard, the inspiration, the the the fire that that Jared just gave us. Um and kind of serve as a bridge between that and and the tactical progress that that Jeremy's going to talk about. But, you know, before I do that, I want to make sure that we um really recognize the NASA and all of our partners um that have gotten up gotten us up to this point in particular. You know, we stand on their shoulders and what what our plan is to is to unleash them.
I want to talk a little bit about Artemis 2. Um you know, I I imagine most folks are reasonably satisfied with the result of Artemis 2. Um we I just a couple of statistics I just got just for for fun. Uh for the rocket itself again magnificent piece of engineering for an for for a experimental vehicle. Orbital insertion 99.987 accurate at 27,227.75 ft per second. So we missed it by 3.65 ft. Um and then apogee at orbital insertion was at 99.983% accuracy. Pre-flight prediction was 1,200 nautical miles. Actual was 1,200.21.
Um, and of course, Orion, I think we we've seen you guys recently released the results of the analysis of the Orion heat shield. Um, and you know, how the mitigations for the for the lofted re-entry performed. Again, you know, the team that flew that mission, everyone around the world, it was was magnificent, but again, as Jared has said over and over again, that's just the beginning. So, I want to talk about how we're doing that. Um, you know, it's we we say having these ideas is amazing, but the but the implementation is I think what what we all really focus on every day and the execution. Um, but really, you know, and Jeremy's going to talk the details of what's going on with the machines. He's got it uh got it down pat. But what I think it's important that we we talk about the strategic arc that was concurrent while, you know, in in in 2026 that's been going on inside of the agency which is going to enable us to achieve these things.
So there there four major things I think that are important to discuss and they've been publicized separately, but it's important when you see them together. Um you know Jared mentioned before extreme ownership is is our mantra and you know as when when he came in I think we established that very clearly with the workforce with with the we have to own our mistakes as well as our failures and and when we talked about Starlininer that that was really to me the the reason why we did that we had we have to make we had to set that tone for our workforce that our expectation is that you guys are amazing but at the same time we have to own these results they belong to us.
The second part of that arc was you know this workforce um we we have we have transformed the way we think about the NASA workforce. We have brought more folks in. We have reestablished where our competencies are. We have defined what we believe it and means that to working for NASA and what those skills need to be. We want to make we made it awesome to want to work for NASA again. That was the second part. Um and then you know it was about choices. You know as Jared has mentioned for for years we have been asked to do more than we can and we have to centralize and we have we had to focus and we had to pick the things that not only were achievable but also would it help us advance and establish NASA in the position where it is in the in the in the spectrum of where the entire space industry needs to be which is in the front doing the hardest things always pushing on the always pushing the envelope and that's that's what ignition was that's really what ignition is we made choices and then after that we organized is ourselves around those choices and how we're going to execute those missions and in between that too we flew four people around the moon.
So we're here to you talk about Artemis specifically but again you know my mandate also is to think about the entire workforce and I think it it goes without saying you know this incredible workforce that did the Apollo missions also hit a 175 year planetary window did power descent on Mars flew great observatories do did all those things at the same time we were doing those things so this excellence these competencies that we're trying to reinvigorate are we want to reinvigorate them across the board but again we stand on their shoulders but for Artemis in particular I think it's important again take a little bit of a step back because there's been a lot of discussion as Jared said about, you know, is this are these new ideas that we've been talking about? It's a new environment. It's a new alignment. It's a new new sense of energy, but the ideas um are are ones that we we have contemplated, but now again, we're we're able to unleash them.
So, you know, th those of you here in the room, I know a lot of you guys are veterans of the program, um you understand kind of how how we got here. You know, when a lot of the machines that we're we're showing you today were were first envisioned, they were they were envisioned mostly to maintain capabilities, right? Capabilities that were were going away that were potentially needed for the supply chain, etc. That was the point. Um you know we we designed these these things to maintain those capabilities but at the same time there was not a mission focus for those for those machines. We got one um in the the first administration of our president he he gave us the the mandate to go go back to the moon to do Artemis and that that mandate has continued to today. But you know really the capability focus the way we were organized that still endured I would say all the way through the first test flight of Artemis.
Um, you know, we were we were doing everything we can to get this vehicle together. Uh, and then when we flew that mission, we learned a ton, but what we also really learned was that, you know, a couple things. We need to organize ourselves better as a program. Uh, we needed to align ourselves around, you know, what what the what these missions needed to look like going forward. And then we also revealed some of the limitations of the capabilities that that we had fielded. So, the agency organized itself as a program. Um, I was asked to to serve as the first manager of that program. Um and very quickly I I tked the team this is in in 2023 that we had to realign where we were and realign the capabilities of where we were and really think very hard about the architecture how it was how it was how brittle it was or not brittle how the how our contracts were were aligned in terms of how we were incentivized you know we these machines have been acquired over a 20-year period and in you know many different tanches um and then how how to address our production risk across across the entire enterprise. We're at at best case 50% of where we need to be in terms of their ability to crank this hardware out.
And so and we we start we had a bunch of sessions with all of industry starting in the summer of 2023 where we contemplated all of these things and the limitations of the data we got from Artemis one of the performance of a lot of the different elements and how they were doing. Were they going to converge together to meet together for a mission and in those cases did we have the right reliability? Did we have the right rate in order to achieve these goals? And I got to tell you, you know, we had been talking about this and and iterating on these on these ideas for uh for about 18 months until we got deep into Artemis 2 preparation. Um and so at that point, you know, we we had had we had thought about different orbits for rendevous. We had thought about alternate stages. We had thought about ways to configure using the assets we had uh in order to to maybe perform missions in LEO or in or in different orbits in order to really achieve um these objectives.
What we did, and the philosophy we took is the same philosophy that Jared just mentioned, which is we took the Apollo approach. Instead of thinking about these these missions as just all-up missions, we thought about them as a series of integrated test objectives. And then we spread them out over the the activities we were trying to do both ground test and in-flight test and the all-up test that we call the Artemis missions and tried to figure out how we're going to incrementally get to the right spot so we could do a landing so that each mission was not going to take too much risk that it would not succeed but also take enough risk to advance our our progress which was the Apollo way. So, we had that we kind of had that in our brain as we were going to go fly.
And then, of course, you know, in the run-up to Artemis 2 as after Jared joined us as our leader, um you know, we we came to talk to you guys about in February 2026 as we were having problems at the pad about how we were really going to change the way we were doing this because we had reached it. We had seen it. Uh the administrator had seen how how we were doing business and we we had decided, you know what, we have the support, we have the alignment, we have the we have everything is coming together. All these things that we had talked about doing, we need to do them. We need to get focused. we need to start thinking about how to make these things work the right way. And so that's what happened in February of 2026 when when you we were in the in the Artemis 2 launch campaign. You know, we had the ideas, but now we had the power to execute the alignment activities that we had been thinking about doing.
Um, you know, and again the focus again was about focusing on rate, focusing on reliability, not making too many development choices too early, which is why we made the choices we did with the mobile launcher, which wasn't going to converge at that point with with exploration upper stage, which is going to be a brand new stage that had to be fielded for a landing. We wanted to move back to a place where we we we had confidence in the machines, understanding the rate where we were, but just enough to give us the opportunity to put together missions that made sense.
So that was February uh when but again you know when when we think about ignition ignition happened just a month afterwards. Um that was it was about particular programs we we made ambitious um objectives ambitious ideas about what we need to do put putting focus on the f on the future of a of a nuclear NASA accelerating our timelines to the point in which that aligns with our policies but also accelerating to a point where we know we can achieve them if we just focus on rate and focus on the things that that we really need to focus on. And but really what it was about was about contemplating what the NASA workforce would need needs to be working on what it needs to be working on now and what what we need to build inside the capabilities of the workforce to do the amazing missions that we're going to do that only we can do which is where we sit in the spectrum of the entire world space community.
So we have to align the way we were trying to align the way we work on the things we work on. But we also know that, you know, that and and that alignment occurs and those capabilities occur when um we recognize that when we when we buy things, when we make things, especially when we make things, when we make these incredible machines, we get we get something for free. And that something we get for free is the is the is a trained, capable workforce that knows how to take risks, that knows how to design new things, that knows how to do the the near impossible. That that was the goal. the goal is to build that capability for the next 20 years. And so the in the the insourcing, the realignment, the core competency development, that's what that's that's what those things are really about. It's about this workforce and about unleashing them and giving them the skills to do those things.
So, you know, again, you you've heard a lot of folks probably in my chair before say we need to do more work. We our engineers need to smell like math and hardware again. And that's the that's the idea. But the reality is there's a way to do that, too. We can't just snap our fingers and say that that's what we want to do, so let's go do it. We need to get better at this. And so with my with my role now, you know, it's it's it's about focusing on how we bu what we're building, but also how we build them. What are we doing with our design and construction standards? What are we doing with our in-house procedures? How are our machine shops and production capabilities aligned towards those things? Are they up and running? Are the machines humming? and thinking about the NASA workforce not as 10 different places where we build things, but as one integrated workforce, one production enterprise that is able to fill gaps when we need to, but also start things ourselves if we need to do that, too.
And Jeremy's going to show some great examples of this. So, this will help our mission succeed and will help, you know, invest you just help us realize that we have a work workforce that's hungry to build and we need to unleash them. That that's what this is that that is what a lot of this strategic arc has been about and that that's how I think we're going to get there. they're key enablers in the way we conduct our engineering enterprise to make that happen.
So you know um this doesn't happen of course you know we like I said we've had these ideas but what what is really aligned here is the support you know first an invigorated NASA workforce that's invigorated by leadership the support of our stakeholders in the administration and Congress the the resources and the flexibility they've given us the clarity of vision that that the administrator has given us and a leadership team that we have aligned around that's ready to prioritize NASA prioritize one NASA over over everything else so that's What's different? Um, Jeremy's going to show, you know, that this is a bit more than just words that we're putting this to practice. I think the performance that you're seeing here in the VAB is is uh is is proven and it's just going to get better.
And, you know, as I said before, the ideas are important to the vision is important, but it takes courageous impatience to do what what Jeremy's team is doing. And that's what they're doing every day. But I would tell you the most important thing I want to end with and I before I hand it over is that you know the the team at NASA, our industry partners, our international partners, they've heard the call uh and they have been open to change and this kind of change is hard especially when you when we push as fast as we need to in the race that we're in. It's very it's very hard but they have been willing to make the hard sacrifices to make this possible. They're the ones that are going to carry this forward. They're the ones that are going to they're going to be here 20 years from now. they're going to be part of this generation that that decided we were going to do the near impossible.
And if we're right and if these things work that we're going to have NASA for the next 20 years that will that will continue to be the light that shines in the world that can help us teach the world how to build at planetary scales, how to build at these scales and how to build these things to stay. And that that is the goal. That is the goal of what we're trying to do. And I think that what you'll see is just us getting started here, but that these missions are going to are really going to change that. Now, I'll hand it over to Jeremy. Before I do, I have to say um you know uh Jeremy and I started working together when I joined Artemis after space station um about 5 years ago and I I have been so impressed with the way he has taken the reigns here. He's an incredible leader. Um and he he is the right person for this job. We support him 100% and I just want want you to understand like with the task we have given him is almost monumental. I certainly when I was earning the program couldn't get anywhere close to the performance that he's been get getting out of it and I'm just incredibly honored to to hand it over to him. Go ahead, Ter.
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Thank you. [clears throat] And uh thank you both for your absolutely laser focused leadership. What I will tell you is across the board, the Artemis team have united behind the vision. They're excited about it. And the what you just saw with the core stage in the transfer aisle is just an example. 6 months ago when we asked the team to go do some of these things, they didn't know it could be done, right? And so they're like, "Oh, it might take longer." We sat down and we worked through every schedule, every option, what they needed and they have performed in a way that I cannot be more proud of. So I get to sit up here and represent the thousands of men and women working on Artemis across the country and I cannot be more proud to do it. But they are sacrificing nights, weekends because they believe in the mission that's been given to them and uh it is really an honor to to represent their work to you guys today.
So, um, within our Artemis team, we have been laser focused on driving progress, um, really to get to our boots on the 2028 timeline. We're fighting daily to increase the pace and value of our missions. We're strengthening the spaceflight workforce. We're rebuilding core competencies, and we're onboarding the key talent we need in order to achieve these goals. What I'm seeing and kind of what both the administrator and Amit spoke about is that these workforce investments are already paying dividends both in our technical operational foundations um but also in our progress towards Artemis 3. So I'm going to give you a little bit of updates on Artemis 3. I will tell you there's been a lot since we last spoke so it's going to take a little while. Just sit back um and uh I'll let them jump in as we need to.
But um so so what we're seeing right is we're using the the workforce that we're talking about. We have key personnel embedded at production facilities, at vendors, and we've empowered them with the decision authority to resolve issues. And we're seeing issues resolved in hours rather than days or weeks. Um, and if you know anything about spaceflight hardware, there's always issues. And that time, those hours make a huge difference. And by doing so, we're seeing our processing times cut in half in some cases and in more. Uh, we've actually reduced our resolution times for non-conformances by up to 85%.
So for Artemis 3, as you just saw in the VAB, we have the hardware coming together. The boosters are stacked, the core stages coming together, and all of these pieces are being built, tested, and integrated in Florida. Now, so what we're going to move to now is I'm going to talk a little bit about where we've gotten to on Artemis 3. Uh it has been a significant uh few months. We've struck a mission baseline and um as you know, Artemis 3 is bringing together NASA, SpaceX, and Blue Origin. We're launching three of the most powerful rockets in the world and undertaking what is likely the most complicated launch campaign ever undertaken.
So, I'm going to walk you through the concept of operations for this mission. Uh the graphic that will come up on the screen gives you a really good idea of what we're talking about uh as simply as we can. So, we have baselined a 14-day mission. So that capability we can extend up to 17 days because you know weather can happen could delay a launch things along those lines. But every day of this mission is built around specific tests that reduce risk, give us valuable science and allows us to test out our capabilities before we go and undertake the lunar landing. The first sequence in this launch campaign is going to be the Blue Origin launching its Blue Moon test lander. And so uh as we've talked before, Artemis 3 is a low Earth orbit mission. Um, and so prior to that new Glenn launch, what we're already going
Jared Isaacman 39:53 ↗
to do is we'll have SLS out at the launchpad. We would have conducted a wet dress rehearsal, and we're going to do everything we can to ensure that that vehicle is ready to go as quickly as we can after that first Blue Origin launch. The Blue Moon test lander can loiter for up to a month in orbit, but end of the day, we want to minimize that risk. And so, we want to get the crew on orbit and meet up as soon as we can thereafter. Once in orbit, the Blue Origin team will make sure the vehicle is healthy and ready to support our rendezvous and docked operations with Orion. And just to give you a little bit of a feel, the Blue Moon lander is going to allow Orion to dock, the crew to ingress, and carries many of the same systems the lunar lander will around the moon. Some of those systems, some of the things that we really get to buy down for me first and foremost is what we call our ECLSS systems, our environmental control and life support systems. Those are tricky to build. That was one of our big objectives in Artemis 2. But we're also going to be testing out our reaction control systems, our tanks, our valves, our thrusters, the articulating solar arrays, active thermal control systems and radiators. The lunar crew module primary structure. It's the first build of it. It's going to be the exact same for Artemis 3 and tons of other things including our software, flight computers, and avionics systems. Building, testing, and flying these in Artemis 3 will help us understand and learn as much as we can from Blue's operations during this flight. It's similar to how we've started to take an evolvable approach between Artemis 1, 2, and now three, and it sets us up for a lunar landing in four. The next vehicle in the sequence is going to be the SLS. So, we launch Orion into what is what we call an elliptical orbit at 16 by 975 nautical miles. And over the first day, Orion is going to transition from that higher altitude down to about 300 nautical miles. And that's really about getting thermal stability. Orion was built as a deep space vehicle and so we're going to have to really manage the thermal environments which are higher in a low earth orbit. The crew is going to spend the first two days checking out the Orion spacecraft and setting up for proximity operations. During that time, Orion will maneuver down to a 237 nautical mile rendezvous orbit and that's where we intend to meet the Blue Origin lander. On flight day three, Orion performs the first major test of the mission. This one's going to be a big one. It's the rendezvous and docking with the Blue Moon test lander. This is where we learn how both Orion and Blue systems operate together, their guidance systems, laser navigation control, communications, all together in real world conditions. Over the next two days, the crew will conduct operations docked with Blue Moon. They're going to open up the hatch. They're going to enter the lander. They're going to evaluate the environmental controls, the life support systems. We'll confirm that the spacecraft can maintain the right atmosphere of pressure. And we're also going to test emergency scenarios, dual vehicle control, and we're going to put our mission control teams through their paces. On around flight day six, after those operations are complete, Starship launches from Florida. And so, Orion will then undock from Blue Moon and adjust its orbit to a 206 nautical mile rendezvous orbit with Starship on flight day 8. The Starship Artemis 3 has a docking system that's built onto the nose cone, and it's letting us conduct on-orbit testing with a second very different lander. And if you've seen some of the Starship images, a very large vehicle. So, we want to learn how to control attitude together, how we're going to fly these vehicles together, and how we're going to operate. The demonstration with Starship is shorter, about 2 hours. The crew will not enter the Starship during the mission, but it gives us critical data and allows us to really understand the forces of docking, how we're going to push, how we're going to work together. Once Starship operations are complete, Orion and the crew have the remaining days available for additional test objectives before needing to come home. There is literally every hour already planned out in the timeline. We are packing it with science, with mission objectives, but three of the big ones that I really want to hit on is we have our Orion crew survival suit evaluations. So, we didn't get those completed during Artemis 2. And they're really important for contingency scenarios when you're in a lunar flight. If we lose pressure in the cabin, things like that. This is a really big one. We want to get on this mission. We're also going to conduct docking sensor tests, acoustic and thermal measurements, and we're going to perform human factors assessments inside Orion as well as a wide range of science and technology demonstrations. End of the day, the mission, the full 14 days is packed the entire time with science, with objectives that are really each buying us down risk.
To go into some of the science, we're including a series of studies focused on human health and biological science, testing concepts for future missions on the moon and a host of Earth and Sun observations. Our human research program is going to conduct four studies that build upon the Artemis 2 experiments. And they're going to conduct a proof of concept study for how crew could perform health related assessments in situations where mission control isn't available. Those are going to be critical lessons learned as we build out our moon base and have our lunar aspirations. We're going to perform Earth and Sun observations that will take place to continue training crew in critical observation skills and it leverages the distinct orbital characteristics of where we're going to be in this mission. Everything we do on Artemis 3 is designed to reduce risk for our future lunar landing missions. And then when combined with the Mark 1 landings, with the additional Starship launches, with our uncrewed demonstrations, make us very comfortable with the risk level we're going to go take on Artemis 4. Big picture though, we're providing the choreography of a multi-launch campaign. We're teaching these teams how to work together, how to make critical real-time mission decisions, all in an environment that is low Earth orbit, where if something goes wrong, we can come home much more quickly. Let's see. All right, so let's talk about some of the fun stuff, which is the crew and hardware progress. So, since being assigned to the Artemis 3 mission on June 9th, Randy, Luca, Frank, and Andre have already completed more than 350 hours of classroom instruction. They participated in 22 integrated simulations with the flight control team. Our flight control team in Houston has already conducted 55 mission simulations, preparing mission control to safely and successfully execute our missions. At KSC, the launch team is already training heavily to keep the muscle memory alive. They've already performed 100 hours in simulations with cryo and countdown sims as you can see in the video behind you. We're also really well advanced with our rocket hardware. I want to focus on some of our integrated EGS exploration ground systems and space launch system teams for a second. They have demonstrated just absolutely amazing endurance efforts and creativity. The minute the vision for Artemis 3 was announced, our teams began accelerating booster deliveries. And actually we had I think a call that evening of the ignition event to get boosters delivered earlier and laying out plans to expedite operations. To that end, stacking was completed at the end of September. That's a pretty big deal when you think it's just 5 months after we just landed Artemis 2. And then for some additional perspective, we were able to cut the time it took to prepare the booster segments for stacking in half and booster stacking operations were completed in 20% of the time or were cut by 20%. The team has been doing this by a number of different things. NASA's on the floor. They are leading. They're bringing decision velocity. They're incorporating lessons learned. We're improving our requirements, simplifying, and we're getting creative on how to perform work in parallel. Meanwhile, as you heard earlier, we're getting ready to integrate the core stage with the boosters. And so, we have some pretty cool images of that coming through. And then, there you go, which again, just for perspective, that is the absolute coolest lift I've ever seen in my life. 220 ft long, you got two cranes, you're going vertical in the historic vertical assembly vehicle assembly building. It's pretty exciting. And I was getting images and pictures all day yesterday from everyone on the team. They can't be more excited about what we're doing. When we talk about kind of the engines there at the bottom, just so you know, if we go to this next photo, we have the L3Harris facility in Canoga Park, California, and we're actually building up a large inventory of engines ready to go for this next vehicle as well. Because we have kept the team proficient and immediately rolled into Artemis 3, we've seen the team able to leverage lessons learned. We're taking fewer non-conformances and we're resolving issues much more quickly. This isn't because we're cutting corners or doing things less safely. We're exercising muscle memory. And rather than building it again 3 years in between, losing workforce, we immediately rolled into the next one. The mobile launcher was back in the vehicle assembly building 17 days after launch. You can compare that to between Artemis 1 and 2. It is a world of difference. With this, we plan to keep that muscle memory going. We want to roll out for a tanking test with the boosters and core stage in the coming months. And this is about testing out critical systems, but also about keeping our team performing the reps and staying ready. This configuration is what we're going to call a short stack configuration. We will not have the spacer Orion on top. It's just going to be the core stage and the boosters. But more importantly, it allows us to test new hardware where we previously saw liquid hydrogen leaks. And so I'll start kind of showing some of this photo because this is just kind of an example of how we've been implementing some of this. After Artemis 2, we knew we needed to change out what we call the quick disconnect because we had leaks of hydrogen on Artemis 1 and 2. The reason why we hadn't done it was it was going to cost tens of millions of dollars and about multiple years. So, let's see, in April timeframe, right around maybe late March, when we had kind of the last wet dress rehearsal and saw some of these leaks again, we kicked off a team internal to NASA. They decided to bring the work in-house. They leveraged our unique experience where we redesigned it, fabricated it, and we already have it in testing less than 5 months for an absolute fraction of the cost. And so this is what we can do and must do more of going forward, both for the taxpayer and what our cadence is going to demand of us in the space race. NASA needs to be expected to do this kind of work and we have some of the best technical knowledge in the industry to do it. It's an example of how we're taking the handcuffs off of some of our engineers and allowing them to lead. Next up is probably my favorite example of something that we have done recently, which is the spacer that's going to fly in Artemis 3 in place of the upper stage. So when we pivoted to a low earth orbit mission, the SLS team quickly came back and said we don't need the upper stage for that, core stage has plenty of performance to drop us in the orbit we need. So rather than waste that critical hardware and the cost of that upper stage, the ICPS, we developed the idea of a spacer to keep the interfaces the same. As you see in this footage, our Marshall and SLS teams moved at a speed that has absolutely blown my mind. They finished the design. They got the material. They fabricated it all in-house. This is since ignition. The hardware is done and will be largely delivered to KSC in the next couple of months. There was no contracting, no unnecessary overhead. We had these capabilities. We unleashed them to go do it, and it's some of the fastest work I've ever seen. As for the spacecraft, the Orion crew and service module are fully mated and going through integrated testing in the operations and checkout building just down the road. We got more than 95% of the Orion hardware integration complete. Our remaining work is finishing out some of the crew systems and doing critical environmental testing. Given how successful Artemis 2 was with our optical comm capabilities, getting imagery back, we actually decided in the March timeframe to add two Starlink terminals to the vehicle to improve the imagery quality and the downlinks. So again, this is another example where we were able to change on a dime. We quickly implemented the hardware and we actually have those two terminals going on this week being installed. Our goal is to increase parallel production, reduce timelines, and make Orions available sooner. And to that goal, we also have approved more than 250 components to be removed from the Artemis 2 spacecraft and reused for future flights. This is going to help us to accelerate our readiness and decrease our dependency on long lead vendors and supply chain. That's how we set the stage for our moon-based ambitions. So, let's see. Let's talk about the lander test articles. So work with our lander partners Blue Origin and SpaceX is progressing really well for both Artemis 3 and 4. I think Blue Origin's New Glenn team has amazed the world with their progress for return to flight after the incident in May. We're working closely with them. We have over 100 NASA team engaged throughout return to flight, engaged with the FAA, lander production, and I have seen Blue Origin mobilize an absolute army working around the clock to get them back to flight. This picture here is of their next booster headed to their integration facility. And so Blue Origin is shooting for pad operations to start back up in November with a first return to flight launch of New Glenn soon thereafter. Their design for the Artemis 3 lander test article is in good shape. We have gone through design reviews. We've been participating with them and they have parts coming together from across the United States and I will tell you I see that team fighting for every single day figuring out how to shave hours off. The test article crew cabin is currently being built with pressure testing and full integration of the Mark I test lander slated for early 2027. But NASA is not just standing by. We're working closely with them to embed some of our best people to help on software, to help on welding, to help on thruster development, and they're using NASA facilities in a lot of these instances. So, to give me a minute to stop talking, we have a hype vid, we have a video from Blue Origin, including the return to flight efforts, Mark 1 work that will inform Mark 2 and hardware progress for the Artemis missions. So, why don't we cue that video?
Unfortunately, we can't play the audio from this video, but I can tell you it is very hypey music that they are playing. You're not missing any words, though. I'm being told from the field that it's actually more ethereal hype.
And I love again some of the work we're doing and what we're seeing from our leadership too, right, is they are absolutely walking the walk. Every time we run into a supplier issue, a priority issue across the industry, Administrator Eisman, Amit are immediately on the phone. They're immediately putting pressure. We're immediately going out and helping to make things happen. And it's really been an absolute impressive undertaking. So, let's see. Let's move on to SpaceX. And so, as many of you know, SpaceX launched their first orbital flight with Starship Flight 14 in late September. And that was using their version 3 Starship. It had important upgrades from their previous version. And really, I mean, was a pretty phenomenal flight. All in all, the SpaceX and NASA teams have conducted a data review of the flight. They're making excellent progress towards flight 15, which I think will absolutely be awesome to see because it could likely be a return to launch site and a catch of both the booster and Starship. Both vehicles have already been cryoproofed. Improvements are being worked to address lessons learned from flight 14. As you know, SpaceX takes a test, learn, improve approach, and so we're seeing lots of hardware, lots of quick changes, and an absolute blistering pace of production. As an example, SpaceX identified the root cause of multiple Raptor engine relight failures at boost back and landing. They implemented several quick fixes for flights 13 and 14 to improve their chances to reach more test objectives. And then they already have permanent hardware improvements coming for flight 15 when they start flying an improved version of the Raptor. These sorts of changes in this timeline would be unthinkable in standard industry history. And so, you know, again, as we expect to see SpaceX's next Starship flight, probably in the November timeframe, we also expect to see these timelines between flights get smaller and smaller. Each one of those flights is going to be critical lessons building confidence, reducing risk towards our lunar ambitions. The image that will come up here is of the Starship production line. And I think that picture says a thousand words of just what the future holds and what we will be able to achieve together. SpaceX is making progress also here at the Kennedy Space Center building out the pad for Starship with eyes towards the first launch of Starship from Cape in the coming months. The entire skyline of KSC you can see is also changing as they finish the new gigabay and they build out the infrastructure needed for Starship operations in Florida. The SpaceX test lander article will have a passive docking system as we mentioned on its nose cone which will be integrated several weeks before flight. But they're already making great progress on that. The design is done as well as the arrow cover to protect it and we're looking at concurrent fit check testing of that next month at NASA Marshall. So while I'm personally excited about Artemis 3, I am also extremely eager to see the upcoming propellant transfer demonstration missions. So this is going to be a first-of-its-kind SpaceX mission where they're going to launch two Starships in quick succession. One from Boca Chica, one from the Kennedy Space Center, and they're going to prove out how propellant transfer works on orbit to a depot that will then again, this is all risk mitigation and building us up towards our eventual lunar campaigns. The hardware and concepts I've already laid eyes on with them. We went through it in detail. They're very mature and SpaceX is targeting this demonstration for early 2027. So in the next video we'll take a look at the progress they're making across the board to support Artemis 3 and beyond. I can tell you that this music is a lot more hypey. It has a faster pace. Yes, I'm using the word hypey. More hype, more better. Yes, absolutely. Oh. Oh, that was definitely new. That was definitely new. That's pretty awesome.
All right, so that's kind of the progress on Artemis 3, what we're doing there. I'm going to go into Artemis 4 progress so you can understand where we're at on our lunar mission because we are not slowing down with Artemis 3 and we have teams working both things in great parallel activities. We have a NASA leadership team that is out on the field every day working with vendors to drive outcomes just like they are for Artemis 3 for everything on Artemis 4. On Orion, our crew and service modules are both at KSC. They're undergoing installations and testing. And in this image, you can actually see our mission specialist Andre Douglas from Artemis 3 stepping inside the Artemis 4 spacecraft. Engineers have also completed bonding tiles on the Artemis 4 heat shield and gap filling is in work. As you can see there, we're coming quite far along on the SLS side where final processing inspections of the RS-25 engines are ongoing at Stennis Space Center as well as preparations and testing of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen tanks at the Michoud assembly facility in New Orleans. What you see here is an image of our Artemis 4 LH2 tank. And so again, we are starting to stack up hardware and get it out the door, which again will allow us to improve that muscle memory and get more flights off. Our teams in Michoud and KSC are working day and night ensuring core stage 4 is ready for flight by early 2028 with core stage 5 ready later that year. As you know, our team has been focused on what we can do to accelerate our lunar landing and return American astronauts to the moon. Amit as well as the administrator spoke about stepping back, looking at our architecture, really trying to understand what we can do to reduce risk, and so that's been a major focus of the last several months. It's been a deliberate effort including where we could simplify, deciding where we could simplify our requirements, streamline designs, and improve mission probabilities of success. These efforts give us options which we did not previously have in some instances. I'm going to give you a couple of examples of that and then kind of take you through our thought processes. First up is the sortie suit which I believe some of you may have heard about at this point. NASA and Axiom are advancing both our baseline suit as well as what we now call a tailored configuration, the sortie suit for moonwalking, to use during our earliest early Artemis missions. What you see here is a rendering of the sortie suit. In our original requirements, we were building a design to an eventual end state that far exceeded what we would need in these early missions. The time durations we're going to be on the moon, the amount of hardware we can bring with us, and simply put, the complexity of those initial asks added risk in testing, added risk to the design of the landers. And the sortie suit directly addresses those issues. We are able to cut the suit mass in half from about 500, a little over 500 lb to about 250 lb. And when you think about what has to be delivered to the lunar surface, that is a really big deal. This is all about building in design margin for our landers, creating evolvable capabilities that are intended to grow with our mission. The design of the sortie suit leverages our existing production capabilities, our infrastructure, our supply chain efficiencies with Axiom using many of the certified components of the baseline suit as well as already decided and designed interfaces with our landers. The sortie suit is intended for short, targeted, science-driven spacewalks near the lander, but it also allows for quicker turnaround between EVAs during the early Artemis missions and can be worn by astronauts as they land on and ascend from the lunar surface in a lunar lander. Similar to Apollo, we've set a minimum surface EVA duration for the sortie configuration suit of at least 2 hours. We anticipate we'll be able to operate longer, but every minute of our first surface EVAs will allow us to reduce the unknowns and take out any unnecessary conservatism while maintaining our safety controls. Over subsequent missions, the EVAs will become longer in duration, longer transverses into more aggressive terrain and thermal environments. But if history has taught us anything, evolving our designs rather than jumping to an end state is going to be the right way to move ahead quickly. We'll be able to use the sortie suit configuration for missions that are short duration and then bring on the baseline suit for longer missions with moon base that require construction, longer duration surface days, and mission plans that reuse suits across multiple crew visits. This is all about proactively addressing early Artemis mission challenges and not going straight to the end state with lunar surface EVAs. Instead, we're taking an achievable iterative approach. We continue to plan to do the demonstration of the baseline space suit on the space station in 2027 because we're keeping these two lines moving in parallel. This represents a significant risk reduction activity for Artemis 4 because more than 50% of your life support system components are the same. It's going to be able to give us good test information. And then Axiom and NASA are working together to complete development, training, and the MBL to ensure that our teams are well prepared for future lunar excursion activities. We're using a similar approach with the SLS rocket. So as we stepped back and we looked at what was needed to reduce our risk, improve design margins, and give ourselves some flexibility, we are now carrying two configurations of the SLS upper stage. The first is the ICPS which is currently available and as you know we don't have to fly on Artemis 3. So we got it in the barn ready to go. We are also going to add in a stretched Centaur upper stage by keeping Artemis 3 in LEO. Again, the ICPS is available and ready to fly. But when we switched from the EUS to the Centaur, we did so very deliberately. We simply did not have confidence that EUS could meet our timelines or the cost and schedule growth that we were seeing was acceptable. The Centaur is a vehicle that is in production, that NASA and ULA know well, and one that is capable of achieving our missions. I have personally visited Decatur and I will tell you the factory that I've seen there is able to sustain the build rate that we're looking for and to get us hardware quickly and it has great flight heritage. So, when we talk about the Stretched Centaur, what we're doing there is we're adding 50% increased propellant capacity compared to the standard Vulcan Centaur 5. This lets us get more mass to trans-lunar injection orbit and when combined with a kick stage that's under final study could allow us to get Orion to what we call a low lunar orbit. That may not sound like a big deal, but when you're talking about every study we have ever done since 2014, something that came out inevitably was the closer we can get Orion to the moon, the more design margin we have, the more risk reduction, the more mission availability, and the more overall options become available to us. The team has been looking at this for months and again, we quickly turned on the Stretched Centaur and we're in the final stages of making a decision on a kick stage as well. We're doing this by leveraging the absolute best that NASA and industry has to offer and really leaning into hardware that exists in many instances. Here's a look at a couple of the images of Centaur. The first is a rendering of the extended Centaur with Orion in space and as you can see there, absolutely beautiful. And then the second is from some of our wind tunnel testing that's actually being conducted out at Ames. So again, we put this into effect less than 60 days ago. They have already machined accurate models that are undergoing wind testing so we can understand how this vehicle flies, how we need to change our guidance and navigation control, and just again rapidly moving to get this ready. Overall, this increased TLI capability enables the SLS rocket to deliver NASA's Orion spacecraft to lunar orbit more effectively. It provides greater flexibility, more performance, and no rocket guy has ever said, "I want less performance." So with the Stretched Centaur stage, we also will be able to get increased loiter duration times for our landers, which is really about increasing our opportunities for mission availability. You know, our lunar windows are short. We need to be able to have as many opportunities as possible to ensure that we can achieve the mission successfully. This also supports broader national space policy objectives, maintains strong demand among Vulcan customers, and it creates dual-use value beyond the Artemis program. So let's see what makes Stretched Centaur different from the EUS and other development activities that have taken longer. So first and foremost, this is a production line that is in service. It is already humming. They are pumping out vehicles. We are leveraging known capabilities. But I would also say NASA is not sitting back and just saying let's deliver it. We are embedding NASA people at the production facility. We are using our test facilities to help move this along quickly. We've put in materials, welding experts from across the agency on the floor making things happen. The team is already well underway in having our weld schedules ready. They have material in hand or in work and they're moving with a great sense of purpose associated with this space race. The sortie suit configuration and the Stretched Centaur are just two of the efforts that we are doing to accelerate our return to the moon that I think are really important for everyone to know because they're going to be very visible, but we're doing it across the board. This chart gives you an idea where we are with some of those efforts. So again, I don't need you to necessarily read this. What I will say kind of across the board is we're looking at some of the key 2026 accomplishments on sortie, on Centaur, mobile launcher, and SLS. What we are instituting across the board in both these and in the charts that follow are spiral developments. We are putting key people in charge. We're giving them the authority but then we're holding them to regular deliveries. Build a little, iterate, build, iterate to where we get to where we're going very quickly. And what I will say is in terms of hardware development, in terms of what we're seeing, the teams are really stepping up in performance. The sortie suit. I think if you go to the next slide, the sortie suit. Oh, so this is SLS and mobile launcher modification. So kind of what this shows you is from our SLS hardware perspective, every single quarter we have hardware being built and delivered from across the board. So from our boosters to the core stage to our spacecraft adapters, we have deliveries on every single month. Similar for the mobile launcher. For the sortie suit, what you're going to see is by the end of this year we'll already have our pressure garment built and delivered and then we're going directly into our life support systems directly thereafter. And so the team has set an ambitious schedule. They are a blended team between Axiom and NASA and we are actually kind of sequestering them in some of the Axiom facilities and really seeing a lot of progress. By instituting some of these initiatives, we are preserving options, we strengthen readiness, and increase flexibility for our early missions. The technologies we are developing are complex. Things are going to change. We are going to need to be able to adapt as those things change if we want to beat China to the moon, if we want to build out our moon base, and if we want margin to evolve. Artemis is going to drive. There is no question about that. We are changing our time. We are not changing our timelines. We're changing how we do things. We're leaning into our best and brightest. We're giving them ownership and we're simplifying overly complex requirements and establishing approaches that will help us achieve our goals.
All right, I'm almost home, I promise. Stay with me. I'm going to jump into the Artemis 4 concepts of operations just to give you kind of a feel for exactly what we're undertaking here. As part of our risk reduction efforts, we worked closely with both SpaceX and Blue Origin starting late last year to propose accelerated concepts of operations. This is to really prioritize our lunar landings in 2028. Very similar story with our initial lunar landing concepts as what I was just talking about on the sortie and Centaur. And so we are looking to simplify, remove difficult requirements. We've been already removing what we call the NRHO orbit for docking with Orion, which is a costly orbit that requires quite a bit from a propellant perspective. And by removing that requirement on our lander partners and giving them some additional options, we can increase our mission availability as well as reduce the number of launches required for SpaceX. In this graphic here, we show the full concept of operations for an accelerated lunar landing mission that I'm going to walk you through here briefly. The Starship propellant aggregation still takes place in low Earth orbit before the crew launch in Orion on SLS, allowing for additional refueling and flexibility in crew launch timing. This accelerated approach has the Starship lander docking with Orion in what is now a high Earth orbit before performing the trans-lunar injection burn or what we call kind of a push of Orion to low lunar orbit. So that is instead of meeting up around the moon, we're going to actually use the Starship to push us out there. Our teams found that if we modified Orion to be able to be pushed, we could drastically simplify the number of launches and really improve the probability of success of the mission. Those mods on Orion have already been greenlit. They're well underway. The design is complete and the fabrication is in process right now already on the European service module. You can see in this next slide some of the upcoming milestones that we have on this mission. Just because there were so many different milestones, we're heavily focused on the next year, but it is absolutely jam-packed. It's one milestone after another as Starship ramps up flight rate, perfects reusability, brings on additional launchpads, and conducts our prop aggregation demo. Just like with Falcon 9, every flight of Starship teaches us about the system. It increases reliability and confidence, and gets us closer to the moon. The crew cabin build that you saw in the earlier video is well underway. I have laid eyes on it and how it is coming together. I will tell you I would be much more excited to stay in this vehicle than an Apollo style mission for our crews. It's going to be really, really awesome. The team is targeting the first uncrewed demo mission to the lunar surface at the end of 2027 and then from there we're looking at the back half of 2028 for our first lunar landing on Blue Origin. Which is, we're going to go to the next graphic to talk about their accelerated mission concept. Blue plans to use three Mark 1 transfer vehicles or similar to Mark 1-like vehicles as tugboat style transfer vehicles to take the Mark 2 crew lander to lunar orbit. Blue will meet up with Orion to receive the crew in what we call a special elliptical polar lunar orbit. So easier than NRHO, but it still allows access to the South Pole landing sites. We did this because we could get closer to the surface requiring less tanker type launches, less transfer stages. Blue would first individually launch these three Mark 1-like vehicles or transfer stages before the launch of the Mark 2 lander aggregating in low Earth orbit. Then two of the transfer stages will boost the Mark 2 and remaining transfer stage to the elliptical Earth orbit. That remaining transfer stage will then fire the trans-lunar injection burn to take itself and the Mark 1 to an elliptical polar orbit. SLS would then launch Orion and its crew. The Blue lander and Orion would meet up in that elliptical polar orbit before the remaining transfer stage would bring the crewed Mark 2 to a low lunar orbit. The Mark 1 will take over from there, performing the landing and short surface stay, ultimately launching the crew back to Orion for the trip back to Earth. Blue Origin already has a tremendous amount of hardware in production and testing for initial crewed landing mission. If you go to the next graphic, kind of gives you a similar feel on the Blue Origin side of just what's coming up. As we mentioned, New Glenn's return to flight is on the horizon. And then in early 2027, Blue plans to bring up their vertical integration facility for its upgraded New Glenn rocket. That is the version of the New Glenn or the 9x4, which will serve as the launch vehicle for the Mark 2 crewed lander and supporting stages. Next year, we will also see the first launch of the uncrewed Mark 1 cargo lander. And so you saw some of those images in the earlier video, but every single one of these Mark 1 missions is using many of the similar systems, similar engines, reaction control, and they're going to give us valuable test and information to reduce our risk for a lunar landing. Outside Cleveland, NASA Glenn teams are preparing at the Armstrong test facility for a three-engine BE-7 test campaign. That was also shown quickly in the video, but this is really going to tell us how three of those engines can operate together. And moving quite along on that. After the Artemis 3 mission, we expect to see the first demonstration of the transfer stages and Mark 2 aggregation as part of the uncrewed demo mission. The uncrewed demonstrations for us are going to provide critical operations to reduce risk for initial surface mission. It's going to allow us to learn how do these, you know, how do we start and restock cryogenic engines on the moon rather than hypergolic. We're going to understand kind of the conditions of the regolith at the South Pole, plume conditions and surface interaction, thermal performance of the landers, and really is going to be a critical stepping stone to the eventual lunar landing. If all goes according to plan, we'll also have a lunar terrain vehicle on the lunar surface by the time the first Artemis astronauts arrive near the South Pole, giving us additional options as the moon base begins to take shape. NASA and we intend to wait as long as possible to make a decision about which provider is ultimately going to provide the first American astronauts back to the moon in 2028. And so this is again really trying to go along with them in the development cycle. And we have dedicated teams working hand-in-hand with both providers marching along the way doing everything we can to accelerate. Regardless of who goes first, both providers are planning for lunar landing missions in 2028. Our work doesn't stop when we return astronauts to the lunar surface. For the future of our American prosperity, leadership, inspiration, we intend to build a moon base to where we can learn, live, and work there. All to give us the skill sets we need to go further.
All right, last couple of bits, just closing. I hope you guys recognize and see what I see in this team. They are fighting for every hour. They are fighting for every day. And they have embraced this mission and are excited about the increased launch cadence. I know I am. We finalized modifying our contracts with the human landing system providers. And we have moved at a pace I have not seen since SLS, which to me is just awesome. We're using our resources. We're uncuffing many of our people to go out there, get things done, and solve problems in a way that we hadn't before. This is an incredibly difficult challenge, but I know if there is any team that can do it, it is the one that we have for Artemis. And we're working with our partners to bring every ounce of expertise, every ounce of industry all to bear to accomplish the near impossible. So, with that, thank you for your time. Thank you for listening and thank you to our team that's out there doing just amazing work.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:19:37 ↗
Thank you. We'll now move into questions from the media because I'm sure you have a lot of them. We'll begin with questions from the room. For those joining us by phone, please press star one to enter the question queue. And for those here in the room, please raise your hand and wait for a microphone to come to you. To help us get to as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question at a time and let us know which of our participants you would like to answer. We'll begin in the back right corner in the white.
George Alderman 1:20:06 ↗
Thanks, Bill Harwood, CBS News. For Jeremy, I guess, you know, when Apollo went to the moon, one of the strong points, I guess, that they tested on Apollo 10 was they went down, separated, you tested what amounted to an abort system or way to get out of a landing if things weren't going right. Is there any such capability with either of these landers that once you commit to landing, something goes wrong, can you get out of it or are you committed to the mission from that point forward? Thanks.
Jeremy Parsons 1:20:32 ↗
You want to go ahead?
Jared Isaacman 1:20:35 ↗
You want to go?
Jeremy Parsons 1:20:35 ↗
Yeah. So, both the landers are absolutely going to have an abort capability and we're going to learn about a lot of that, especially with our uncrewed demonstrations. We're doing ground testing, we're doing validation testing, engine testing, and things like that, but we will absolutely have an abort capability as we go to land.
George Alderman 1:20:56 ↗
Well, let's see. So, I mean, I don't know if you have some thoughts, but essentially, it's not like a, I mean, we have engines that are fully firing, right? And so you would basically ramp them down as you're going to land and then in certain abort sequences you would ramp up back the fuel and you just change where you're going.
Jared Isaacman 1:21:13 ↗
Yeah, Bill. I mean, they didn't have during Apollo, they didn't have uncrewed capability to start the machines, right? So that we're just going to use the uncrewed flights to bang away at Raptor restart and those things we're going to need to do it.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:21:22 ↗
Yeah. Next question. Front row in the red. Marcia Dunn, Associated Press, you've done a lot of realignment here with the hardware and with the flight profile, but I'm wondering, there's been some calls lately to change the location of the moon base, maybe even Artemis 4 away from the south pole region. Is that under debate? Is that under consideration? And if not, why not?
Jared Isaacman 1:21:50 ↗
Do you want? Yeah, I can. I mean, I think Marcia, we're always going to debate it. I mean, part of the moonbase approach has been recognizing that we don't really understand the environment and we have overhead remote sensing and those assets, right? We know kind of at those resolutions what's there, but you know, we've only taken a few measurements in the last year or so in terms of what that environment looks like, the thermal environment, multipathing. I mean, the regolith down there is very interesting. And so, the approach that the Moonbase program is taking is, hey, let's just start getting down there, flying sensors. We're going to come up with common sensor packages that are going to ride along the first few moonbase missions. This is the, you know, kind of learn phase of the program. And I think based on that, we'll be able to tell, you know, what looks great from an overhead perspective might not be great from the thermal perspective given the local relief. And so that's kind of really critical. So we're going to make sure we entertain a wide swath of possibility, but we need data. So we need to get that first.
Amit Shathria 1:22:44 ↗
Yeah. I think giving like the appreciation for the sheer quantity of moonbase landings that are going to take place in advance of crewed landings and what we stand to learn from that. I mean we have one, you know, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter went up and I think in 2009, we're going to be having so many additional assets in the cislunar environment, you know, really in the next two years, not to mention every one of the landers and rovers going down, we're going to have plume surface interaction cameras, HD cameras on that. We're going to get a really good understanding of the environment and as you've learned today, every time a Mark 1 makes its way to the lunar surface, part of the moonbase buildout, that is a lot of critical data that carries over to the Mark 2, considering that's going to be essentially the transfer stage that is used to push the crew vehicle to it. So, while I think there's been some papers that have come out recently about ideal exploration zones outside of the, you know, the lunar south pole, I don't think any of them disputed the fact that the lunar south pole is probably the most advantageous area we can go to, short of what I think would be very cool at some point in the future is maybe almost like the historical significance of revisiting an Apollo landing site. But lunar south pole is the most desirable area. It's where we're going to build the moon base. It's what we're tracking to right now for the Artemis program.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:23:56 ↗
Yes. Next question. Second row in the suit.
George Alderman 1:24:01 ↗
Hi, thank you George and thank you all for your time. Will Robinson Smith with Spaceflight Now. Question to Jeremy. We heard yesterday during the ASAP panel discussion that the latest estimate for the number of flights for fueling for Starship was going to be around the order of 22. That was pretty quickly refuted by Elon Musk on social media saying it's closer to six to eight. Where, which end is closer based on the data that you have right now? Are we looking at higher double digits, higher single digits, somewhere in the middle? I know it's still in flux as you know we're waiting for the propellant transfer demo. Thanks.
Jeremy Parsons 1:24:36 ↗
So, we were definitely not tracking as high as 22 unless, you know, your transfer efficiency and performance wasn't the same. So I would say Elon's answer of six to eight is probably more again what SpaceX is planning to. What I will tell you is our propellant transfer demo is really going to be probably the best method we have to really figure out exactly how many we're going to need. Right? So it's going to be a number of different factors in terms of what is your transfer efficiency? Are you losing 5%? You losing 10%? And then especially as they start to get the capabilities of that V3 vehicle up, it will really make a big difference, but by all accounts, you know, SpaceX's latest estimate is that six to eight from Elon.
Amit Shathria 1:25:18 ↗
I mean just to layer on to that, right, we are, I mean they're still very early on in development this program. I mean right now their target performance from a flight 14 versus where they ultimately hope to achieve a V3, you know, two years from now is very different. And you know, should that be concerning if there were a handful of additional flights from now until when we target to landing on the moon, of course. But you're talking about them aspiring to get up to potentially a weekly launch cadence. I think, I mean total between Texas, what they're endeavoring to build in Louisiana and here at KSC, you're going to have 14, 15, you know, launch pads that are going to be operational. You saw from some of the video footage of what their gigafactory looks like here in the production capacities at Starship. They are not doing this to work with, you know, a handful of hardware here but to get into a near weekly cadence. So from our perspective if six to eight is kind of the ultimate potential end state for this vehicle, fantastic. I mean even, you know, they even get additional efficiencies and performance out of Merlin here however many years later thereafter. But I suspect we will all be able to follow along going into '27 on potentially like a near weekly, maybe bi-weekly and then getting weekly as to the progress they're making to get to the ultimate target tonnage to LEO. And that is going to drive a lot of the ultimate number of tanking or depot stops before going to the moon.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:26:36 ↗
Our next question will come from over the phone from Joey Roulette with Reuters.
George Alderman 1:26:43 ↗
Just to follow up, Jeremy, you had mentioned transfer efficiency. At this point, what kind of transfer efficiency in the cryo transfer process do you guys expect? If you can break that down anywhere, anyway. And then for Jared and Amit, NASA has delivered almost $3.2 billion to SpaceX in the past six years for the HLS work. Can you say what exactly that has gone to? Like what areas the most has that funded? Especially considering, you know, you guys think they're still early on in the program. Thanks.
Jeremy Parsons 1:27:16 ↗
Let's see. So for the first question in terms of transfer efficiency, what this initial demo is going to prove to us is how much propellant do you have to keep in the tanker versus the depot and how much can you get out, that's going to be part of it, and then also kind of the boiloff rates along those lines. And so kind of in early estimates, you know, kind of on the conservative side, it could be between 5 and 10% in terms of loss, but what we will tell you is a lot of the engineering teams think that they can do a lot better over time. This is going to be iterative technology. They're going to improve their processes by which doing so, things like that. But all of those end up, when you're talking about thousands and thousands of pounds of propellant, you know, end up playing a big factor in terms of how many launches you need in terms of the overall loss.
Amit Shathria 1:28:03 ↗
Yeah. I mean just in terms of the dollars and cents that are spent on this. And by the way, just to clarify my remarks and being early on in development, obviously they've been putting money into Starship capabilities for a while. What I'm referring to is kind of early in terms of, you know, getting the flight data needed to optimize the spacecraft to get to their target tonnage to LEO. Which again, if you, with a schedule potentially bi-weekly trending to weekly in 2027, we should be seeing a dramatic increase in flight cadence. In terms of the dollars that have been committed to SpaceX, it's obviously milestone driven within the HLS contract. But just to frame it this way, I mean, I think this is an organization that just raised a hundred billion dollars in their IPO. So if that's the critical enabling capability, which is Starship for all they hope to aspire, the taxpayers are essentially going to be funding about three and a half percent or so of it, which I'd say we're getting considerable value for something beyond just putting astronauts on the lunar surface or helping build the moon base, but everything it can do for us in LEO and beyond. If I recall, I think they spent about a billion on Starship development just in the last quarter alone. This is something that's very advantageous for taxpayers. And I'd say the same story is certainly applicable to Blue Origin. I think Jeff Bezos recently came out and described how much capital they've invested in their commercial spaceflight capabilities, which certainly well in excess of the milestones that have been paid under their HLS contract. And that's a model that as taxpayers we should all be very supportive of.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:29:36 ↗
Next question will come from over the phones from Marcia Smith with spacepolicyonline.com.
George Alderman 1:29:43 ↗
Thanks so much for taking my question. It's to Jared Isaacman. You've talked a lot about the history of the Apollo program and Gemini as well, but I haven't heard you talk much about what you learned from the Apollo 1 fire. Could you talk a little bit about what you took away from that and what you thought the fundamental problems were that led to the Apollo fire and what you need to be looking out for as you're moving forward with this return to the moon?
Jared Isaacman 1:30:11 ↗
Yeah, I mean I think it's extremely important that we always understand the risks we are taking. Clearly, there was risk on the pad, you know, at that point on a test that had no intention of going into space. But, you know, it was certainly well investigated, communicated, those lessons were learned and carried on. I mean it's an area right now that we spend an awful lot of time and, you know, we have an hour or so to talk in front of you, but if you want to know the discussions that go on on the flammability testing or the exploration atmosphere testing that's underway. We actually just wrapped up, I want to say, another human spaceflight program test at Johnson Space Center on exploration atmosphere so that we can denitrogenate our astronauts before they walk on the moon, but do so in a way that doesn't create a highly flammable environment. So, if we want to go specific to, you know, the matters of Apollo 1, those lessons have been captured and well understood around the agency, but it's not lost on us. The risk exists far beyond that and it's why we have flight readiness reviews, why we have pre-flight readiness reviews that go into it, it's why we discuss things, but those type of consequences that can happen in extremely dangerous work of human exploration shouldn't be confused with things like moving with urgency or purpose, you know, to get to your outcome. As I said in my remarks before, you know, the idea of taking longer, costing more and flying less somehow leading to better or safer outcomes I think is a misunderstanding that's been left uncorrected for far too long. I don't know if you want to layer anything.
Amit Shathria 1:31:42 ↗
Yeah, I mean Marcia, I think the intent of the question is that, you know, if we're going fast, how does it mean we're being safe? And what I would tell you is, and we talk about this a lot, but speed and rigor are not the same dial. They're just not. We can dial them separately. And just because we go fast doesn't mean we're not doing the right things. In fact, the way we're going fast, as you heard Jeremy say, is to remove things that were unnecessary, that were redundant in terms of our testing capability. And when you go fast, you develop higher quality workmanship. Reliability goes up. Our data and our understanding of the data actually gets better. I don't, that doesn't, I'm not neglecting the lessons of history from the standpoint of, you know, schedule pressure being a driving factor, but schedule pressure then devolves into, you know, making the teams make mistakes because they're not thinking about the implications of what that pressure means. And I would tell you the environment that we've set up where we still have the dissent processes and the technical authority surveillance that we've learned that's come from Apollo, from Challenger to Columbia, those processes are all in place, all of the organizational controls are all in place. And so all of those things we continue to do. And so I don't think that we have to make the claim that, you know, urgency, urgency can mean a test that takes 10 minutes, right? If you're going to do that test, do that test. Urgency doesn't mean just because we have in the past, you know, just convinced ourselves that same test requires a year of a diligence building campaign and assurance campaign, those aren't the same things either. We have to make smart choices. We have to take risks where we can. It is inherently risky, but I would tell you the lessons of our history are well encoded in the way that we're performing here.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:33:21 ↗
Next question will come from over the phone from Eric Berger with Ars Technica.
George Alderman 1:33:27 ↗
Hi, thanks very much for doing this. A question for Jared, I think. You said the problem of getting Orion to low lunar orbit was quote left unaddressed for far too long. So, maybe you could talk a little bit about why that was and how NASA's, you know, addressing the problem. I know Jeremy addressed a little bit and then just maybe a little bit more about how this enables a lunar landing or speeds up or keeps you to a 2028 timeline. Thanks.
Jared Isaacman 1:33:54 ↗
Yeah, sure. I mean, there wasn't anything in the, I mean I guess you'd potentially have to go back to Constellation where it was intended to drop off Orion in low lunar orbit. So there's obviously inherent performance issues with getting Orion there. Now even the exploration upper stage which might have been useful for, you know, co-manifesting payload to, you know, the moon for building out a gateway did not help you get Orion into low lunar orbit. So that was unaddressed for a period of time. The way it was addressed was, well, let's shift that burden onto the landers themselves. Now here we are with, you know, 27 some odd months to go looking at what we can do within the agency, but we're also, as I said, always listening to the data, looking at what's happening around us, what progress are our landing partners making, where are they struggling, what can we do to be helpful, you know, in that regard because there are direct benefits. You saw two different concepts, but every one of their lives gets easier if we can get Orion closer to the moon. Substantially certainly helps out Blue Origin on their side. So we could choose to continue on our track and say maybe they'll show up and meet our timelines or not. Or we can say, well, let's start turning those knobs and do so. So meaning it was not part of any of the recent history as far as I know, unless going all the way back to maybe the early Constellation concepts to get Orion close to the moon, but we have the time to be able to do so now. I don't know if anything you want to, I don't have to comment.
Amit Shathria 1:35:23 ↗
Well, you know, I would just say right when we look across all of those big risks, one of them is if our landers and some of these accelerated concepts could only do 30 days in an EPO mission, right? Well, if I can get us to low lunar orbit, we can extend that by three times or more. And so really what it does is it just, we're looking at what are those major risk points, what smart investments can we make now that gives us options and flexibility because one thing we know we're going to learn is a lot over the next year as we get into these uncrewed demos, as we put Mark 1s on the moon, as we get into SpaceX test flights. And so again, all of this gives us some optionality as we learn to adapt.
Jared Isaacman 1:36:06 ↗
Yeah. And at some point you do have to do something, right? So Amit was very clear earlier. Look, as the shuttle program was reaching its conclusion, it was imperative to maintain capability, right? And we leveraged a lot of the manufacturers that were already producing capability and assembled it into a program that maybe got, you know, some minor, you know, tweaks over time as different administrations came in. But if you zoom out on a whole, looking at it, for as glorious as it is and a great mission that it undertook with Artemis 2, there are certain, like it does not trade well from an efficiency or performance perspective relative to Saturn V. There are things that are shortcomings in it. So we can continue to allow it to perpetuate or we can make use of the time, the resources, the machine shops that exist across all of our centers. What can we do ourselves? What can we do as builders to take on the tough problems to shift some of that near impossible burden back to the agency that's being counted on to do so and give our landers the highest probability for success in '28, and that's what we're doing.
Jeremy Parsons 1:37:05 ↗
Yeah, people got hung up over, you know, various architectural changes. It was always kind of in the plan to go to low lunar, but, you know, to the previous question, the safest place to go is low lunar too because our abort margins or system margins are actually way higher in order for us to recover that orbit. So we're just trying to push, as we said, everything we can, every knob we can turn on the transfer stage is potentially an additional stage, just everything we do helps because now, you know, to get off the surface you're running the rocket equation in reverse and you want to make sure that, you know, you give them as much chance. If they have the performance they have, maybe it won't be required, but it doesn't matter because that gives us more system margin to do other things. Next question will come from in the room, front row in the black.
George Alderman 1:37:51 ↗
One month ago NASA made a discovery about one asteroid that reached the moon and created a new crater. So we're going back to the moon in 2028. So what's the plan for NASA for something like that or what the concern they increase? So that's a question for you, Mr. Isaacman.
Jared Isaacman 1:38:16 ↗
Well, I mean it starts, fortunately that's a once in a century type of an event. So we're fortunate in that regard, but there are much smaller meteor strikes that will happen on the lunar surface with greater frequency. We got some additional data from that from the great crew of Artemis 2 and some of the observations they relayed back during their mission. So we are giving a lot of thought to that for the moon base. So these are short duration initial Artemis stays that are going to be on the lunar surface when you start talking about, you know, Artemis 4, Artemis 5. But in parallel we are building a moon base and this is why we're not building one rover for the moon. We're building lots of rovers and we're going to learn and we're going to gradually scale up capabilities because I guarantee you we're going to need surface infrastructure. It's not, it's why we're not locking in the design for habitation modules today, right? We're doing our science of survival, lots of uncrewed robotic landers, lots of demos, see what we like to build up to it because yes, there are going to be environmental factors we're going to need to consider that could be hazardous and be able to address them. And we will do it in a logical, iterative way to get to the right outcome there. Next question will come from in the room, you in the back in yellow.
Megan 1:39:30 ↗
Hi, thank you so much for doing this. Megan Maradiaga with WESH 2. I just wanted a clarification on launch dates and timelines. So we previously heard that Artemis 3 was 90 days behind schedule and now we're hearing summer again. I just wanted to ask about your confidence in a June 2027 date or are we looking more towards the end of summer or September? And then do you have a specific date for New Glenn relaunching?
Jared Isaacman 1:39:57 ↗
Yeah, I'll just comment on the 90 days behind schedule and I don't know if, I think Jeremy already relayed that in the coming months, like I think they've been very open about targeting the end of the year and I also want to echo Jeremy's words because I had a chance to go out and tour some of the pad rebuild. I mean they are moving with purpose, like there is a fire in the Blue Origin team like we haven't ever seen before and you hear that actually around the whole of government. So whether they hit December or they wind up in January, they're breaking everyone's records. Like I mean in terms of, or certainly they're defying a lot of expectations. Now in terms of the schedule for Artemis 3, generally when I put together an email for, you know, 55,000 people, the expectation is it'll probably be made public. And I think the way the workforce may have, would interpret my words would probably be different than the general media. When you're talking about a mission that did not exist, you know, six months ago earlier this year where you have to assemble a lot of hardware and the time span between Artemis 1 and 2 was several years, to say, 'Look, team, you're working extremely hard and right now with all of the factors that have to come together with two different landers and all the hardware and testing we do, we're broken 90 days to schedule with opportunities to improve.' That's a confidence inspiring message and I would encourage the media to take the same. Now, does that mean we'll be able to fully pull in those 90 days? There's a lot of areas in what was disclosed from that memo that will get pulled in and then there's going to be more new ones that are going to pop up. And that's kind of the nature of this line of work. But I would take that as a confidence inspiring message as you should take from a lot of the pictures and the videos that you're seeing here today for a mission that didn't exist not that long ago that we're moving with real speed and purpose right now.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:41:42 ↗
Next question in the room will be from back row in the white.
George Alderman 1:41:49 ↗
Hi, TG MCO. Thank you for the Epoch Times. Thank you so much. Question for Jeremy. If both landers are still in play for Artemis 4, can you talk a bit about how you plan to get SpaceX Starship kind of caught up, should I say, to Blue Origin? You know, considering all the suite of checkouts, on orbit checkouts that Blue Origin will be able to get done during Artemis 3 as compared to SpaceX.
Jeremy Parsons 1:42:18 ↗
No, it's a good question, right? And so some of it's teaching our crews how to learn and operate. But what we did is we really did map out all of the major risk for a lunar landing, all of the major tests that we need to go conduct. And so with SpaceX, we're going to get a lot of flight test sort of reps. But then also on their uncrewed demo, just a whole series of test objectives. We also have kind of the prop aggregation. So the test campaign is different. But also some of the core competencies of the company is also different, right? So they have a lot of experience with ECLSS, with Dragon. They have a lot of experience with crews at Dragon and so they're transferring a lot of that into their current crew cabin build. But really what we're going to get is the series of flight tests, prop aggregation, and then the uncrewed demo. And it does buy down the vast majority of the similar risk as we would for our, you know, with the Blue Origin, just kind of a different path.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:43:18 ↗
Next question will come from over the phones from Lauren Grush with Bloomberg.
George Alderman 1:43:24 ↗
Hi, thank you so much. My question is for Jared. You recently spoke about SpaceX's plans to sunset Falcon 9 and Dragon, which have become critical tools for NASA. So, I'm wondering, is there any concern about SpaceX potentially not following through with its obligations for Starship HLS now that the company is so focused on other massive projects? And what have they communicated to you about how they plan to juggle their HLS flight testing schedule with all their other obligations for Starship such as launching Starlinks and orbital data centers? Thanks.
Jared Isaacman 1:43:56 ↗
Yeah. I mean all of the public commentary, the companywide updates that I have seen coming out of SpaceX for really more than a year now since I'd say approximately like the summer of 2025 has been extremely focused on the moon. So I think if you, you know, kind of appreciating how SpaceX operates, of which by the way just general trends, right, from where we were in 2025 to where we're seeing with the V3 performance right now to the pace of progress between launches, it is trending really well, but they look to solve their greatest challenges first. To Jeremy's point, they've been putting astronauts in, you know, to and from space many, many times now and doing it safely, keeping crew rated vehicles operational in space as they stay attached to the space station for a long time with short notice responses to put people back in those vehicles when we had our medical emergency earlier this year or had to pull forward a mission when we sent up Crew 11's replacement. Like they've demonstrated those muscles and they do all the time. What they're solving right now is the hardware design, it's reusability, their thermal protection system, bringing it back, the reliability of their propulsion system. That's step one. And if along the way they can deploy satellites, great. We want our partners to be as economically viable as they possibly can on something as demanding as like a, you know, full and rapid reusable launch vehicle. And that no doubt when they get to that progress point where they're feeling very good with those steps, then they move into prop transfer. If you can't sort out prop transfer, it didn't make sense to expend a lot of your best engineering resources on habitation modules for that matter. So they're progressing in the order that we would expect, have seen no indication that, you know, returning astronauts to the moon and building a moon base isn't one of their greatest priorities. In fact, I think they've incorporated most of the recent hype videos of late. So, thankful for their efforts and following along closely.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:45:56 ↗
Next question will come from over the phones from Jeff Foust with Space News.
George Alderman 1:46:02 ↗
Good afternoon. To follow up on an earlier question on the Artemis 3 schedule. What is breaking the schedule by 90 days so far? What is on the critical path to launch and what is NASA doing with its partners to try and bring in that schedule and bring it back to put it back on schedule. Thank you.
Jeremy Parsons 1:46:21 ↗
Yep. All right. So, right now it's supply chain for the lunar builds that are really kind of driving it. And so kind of what you've seen in terms of the broader industrial supply base right now is you have a number of components that, you know, might get outclassed for certain builds, you know, that are kind of higher rated in general. Let's see. So avionics was the key driving one that was out at 90 days. What I will tell you is Blue Origin has moved incredibly aggressively. I absolutely, you know, talk with one of their vice presidents on a regular basis. He's been down there numerous times. They're investing in the actual company in order to accelerate that build. But across the board, we're also looking at how can NASA intervene. Like one of the good examples is, you know, we're leveraging military aircraft to transport domes back. We are leveraging our personnel to help them get weld schedules fully done. So anywhere we can, we're injecting to just, you know, bring those timelines back. It's a daily, it is a daily fight though because if you encounter a slight, you know, change at a vendor, it's, you're going there, you're figuring out what you can go do. I will tell you that again, I have seen the Blue Origin team, one of their leadership, I love how he starts every single meeting. He goes, you know, we are exactly 20x days to launch and we're x number of days since we announced and here's where we're at in terms of, you know, 90 days down, here's the five areas that need to be hit and they just, they keep a laser focus on it and our teams are fully in sync with that.
Jared Isaacman 1:47:57 ↗
And if I may, Jeremy, to build upon this because I think it's just so important to emphasize for you to understand how your NASA is operating right now, not just for solving, you know, some of the supply chain challenges within Artemis 3, but as a space agency. I'm going to talk about this mission room concept and it's somewhat unfair because we only labeled it as such in the last week, but this is how we've been operating for most of the year right now. When there is a problem that is appearing, first we've embedded a lot of our workforce across supply chain just to have visibility into where the issues are. You know, second, so this is just how do you know there is something that's wrong. We've made every one of our primes and any of the critical subs provide daily updates as to what's on schedule and what's not on schedule. When something is broken, then we deploy resources to do so. Thanks to a lot of the insourcing effort that we've done now, when we need to send people from Glenn or we need to send people from Marshall, for example, on Centaur 5, we needed resistance welders. We can take people that now are civil servants at Marshall and send them over somewhere without going through a contracting process between two vendors to be able to deploy those resources. For sure within the Blue Origin test lander, there was a massive dome that needed to be transported from across the country that was 23 days or so approximately broken to schedule. C-17 helps solve that. Our mission room gets on the phone with our various interagency partners and say we need transport to do this. There's DSS rating issues that have always existed. That's why during the Apollo era, Apollo had a DX rating on that to ensure some priority. Well, we work the phones and those type of things now to be able to potentially solve issues and bring it back. COPV tanks, this also is applicable to the space suits in development. There were certain tanks there that were, you know, very, very broken to schedule that we can advocate for higher DPAS ratings and pull it to the front of the line. That's happening every day right now.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:49:51 ↗
Next question will come from over the phone from Jackie Wattles with CNN.
George Alderman 1:49:57 ↗
Hi folks, thanks so much for doing this. Questions I think for Jeremy. Are there additional funds being deployed for the stretch Centaur? And I'd love to hear kind of some more specifics on the specs there and how it might compare to for example the exploration upper stage, which I know is no longer being pursued. And then I also wanted to quickly ask about the European service module and those helium pressurization valves and what the final status is on that. Thanks so much.
Jeremy Parsons 1:50:26 ↗
No, great questions, Jackie. Thank you. Let's see. I'll address the helium pressurization on the ESM first. So, that was what, I'm assuming what you're talking about is an Artemis 2. We had one of our in-flight anomalies with the PCA, which is what we call the pressure control assembly. Ultimately, the team has gone back, they've recreated the data. They believe they understood what caused the leak and we've actually already updated the flight software and hit use-as-is rationale for Artemis 3. In parallel, we are designing replacement valves that will come online a little bit further. But we really have a good understanding of that. The team really knocked that out and addressed it aggressively. So feel pretty good about the situation we're in for Artemis 3. Do you have anything you want to add on that? Okay. And then for the stretch Centaur, we're going to go with a 180,000, we call it the 180k tank. It is about 50% more propellant than what is in the standard Centaur. What I will tell you, so you asked about adding funds. So ultimately we are staying underneath the overall funding curve that was projected for EUS. So this is overall a cost savings relative to EUS and we believe we can deliver more units that are actually more capable relative than the EUS. So one of the things we're doing is we're changing the material that's going to allow us to again do later burns into flight, keep us going a little bit later into TLI. And it's just kind of a different sort of model than what we're doing. So overall it's going to be a cost savings. Performance is going to allow us with the SLS to get about 43, between 41 to 43 metric tons to TLI, which is really impressive capability across the board.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:52:15 ↗
Next question will come from over the phone from Peter Jameson with the Washington Post.
George Alderman 1:52:22 ↗
Thank you. My question is for whoever would like to answer it. I'm just curious, with the SRT suit, can you provide any details about whether there have been adjustments to the contract Axiom is working under? If this is going to be a new task order within the existing next generation space suit contract, if so how much is the SRT suit on its own worth and is it going to be developed under a space suit as a service contract or a format where the suits are essentially leased back from Axiom by NASA or as the original intention was for the next generation space suit or is it going to be a different framework? Thank you.
Jeremy Parsons 1:53:10 ↗
Okay. So, the SRT suit we are actually going to do. So, if I just kind of step back, right, the service contract for a suit where NASA is the only user of it really didn't make a lot of sense. And we were seeing that in some of the development curves, some of again how we were negotiating requirements, things along those lines in terms of how it was just how long it was taking honestly in certain instances. So we worked really closely with Axiom. They have been absolutely phenomenal partners with us. And we both kind of collectively came to a different sort of concept which again is this blended team with how we're moving forward. SRT suit's going to be done under the same service contract but it's going to be a task order that is going to allow us to fund them differently going through this design and development curve and then ultimately we intend to move probably not towards a service contract but towards firm fixed price for delivery of subsequent suit units. We're still negotiating final price line so I probably don't want to put it out there quite yet, but really I've been amazed with how quickly the team has pivoted. So right now we're under kind of a bridge contract where we're paying, you know, kind of a cost reimbursable sort of piece and eventually we're going to move to incentive performance-based.
Kevin Michael Reid 1:54:32 ↗
Next question will come from in the room. Go all the way in the back behind the camera. All the way in the far back. Oh nope. Far back behind the camera.
George Alderman 1:54:48 ↗
So two quick things. These visuals are always so great for getting the wider generations really inspired and sometimes like during the shuttle times we would have like live views from in the VAB. And I just want to say if we could get live views in the VAB seeing SLS as it's being put together, I think that could really help build a wider interest in the day-to-day work, not just the launches. On top of that, with Centaur being introduced, does that add any sort of redundancy to the final ICPS? Like will they both be kept around for a period or will we sort of see a movement to Centaur and only Centaur and then like ICPS, the final ICPS not being used?
Jeremy Parsons 1:55:39 ↗
I can take that one. Yeah. So, it's actually, it's a great question, right? So, where we're headed right now is again really trying to preserve that flexibility and optionality depending on how the landers mature over the next year or so. At some point probably around next summer, probably right around the time of Artemis 3, we're going to need to decide are we going to go fly the ICPS mission, are we going to go fly with the stretch Centaur. And so really the driver for that is after we fly Artemis 3, we're going to need to create whatever the ML or the mobile launcher modifications are that would either be for the stretch Centaur. We don't have any modifications if we're going to fly the ICPS. We could conduct the SpaceX mission with the ICPS. It's really more about again, you know, depending on what's ready, what's not. It'll be that down select time next summer timeframe.
Jared Isaacman 1:56:31 ↗
And I fully agree with you. We will look into how we can make available more live streams as hardware is coming together because I do think it's very inspirational for those that are interested on the sidelines. And even I would say too, just to continue on this optionality front, I don't know if it was mentioned, we, the designs for
Jeremy Parsons 1:56:50 ↗
What those mobile launcher modifications will be, the hardware that's going to be required for, we're going to procure that before the end of the year and do these things in parallel. So when Artemis 3 is ready, we can make the choice of whether or not we'll retain the structure as is for ML1 or begin the modifications with the hardware on the sidelines.
Moderator 1:57:09 ↗
Next question in the room, front row in the gray.
Richard Triu 1:57:14 ↗
Thanks, Richard Triu, Orlando Sentinel. As far as EGS material goes, this test of the QDS, is there any concern that they aren't going to act? I mean, it sounds like this is ahead of the path, but what concerns do you have here at Kennedy to make that 39B ready for launch? Thanks.
Jeremy Parsons 1:57:36 ↗
So I will, now I'm probably biased because I worked with the EGS team for a long time, but they have done an absolutely phenomenal job getting ready for this. So in terms of the launchpad readiness for the short stack tanking test, we're in very good shape, I believe. We're going to do a couple of different things when we roll out for that test. We're going to fine-tune the emergency egress system. They're going to get some different demonstrations and such done, but I do think that the QD testing is really going to be the biggest bang for the buck. So this quick disconnect has been fully redesigned. It's actually already installed on the vehicle, which is just awesome to me. But in parallel, we built another set because we were building it, we could do that. And so that's actually installed out at Stennis Space Center now and is going to go through hydrogen flow testing over the next probably couple of months. And so we're going to really understand all of the characteristics of this QD at a high flow rate and pressure before we go operate on the vehicle. That being said, we have done low flow test, you know, cryogenic type test and performance is just phenomenal, almost no leakage, which is really good. So anyway, we've leaned forward. We've already installed, but we've got kind of multiple paths to buy down risk. And again, this is what some of building this in house lets us do, right? We've been hardware poor in so many instances, and so having more hardware allows us to set up at multiple locations, get more test data, and increase our confidence.
Moderator 1:59:02 ↗
Next question from the room, come in the second row in the blue.
Audience Member 1:59:20 ↗
Time is going to be a challenge, but also very exciting. What preparations have you started to get the launch pads ready, get the people ready, the infrastructure, Space Launch Delta 45?
Jeremy Parsons 1:59:32 ↗
Yeah, so I will say as a rocket nerd, it's going to be pretty awesome, right? We have assigned someone essentially who we're kind of considering a manager over what, like the multi-launch campaign. And so our teams have already laid out the specific timelines, understanding how much nitrogen in the pipeline needs to be available, what is the spacing between those launches, looking at again how many tankers need to be brought on for liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen. And so they really have already done a phenomenal job both probabilistically, you know, assessing what the capabilities and infrastructure are and then what they need to be. SpaceX is going to be largely kind of autonomous, right? They're going to have their own capabilities, are going to be kind of off pipeline in a lot of instances. The integration between Blue and SLS is really well understood at this point. And so what you'll see is, you know, we're going to roll out SLS early. We're going to conduct the wet dress rehearsal. Then kind of the infrastructure will be turned over to allow Blue to launch, and then you'll have a couple of days, and then it'll allow SLS to launch. And the team has already modeled all of that, gotten into really good shape. When you talk about what are we doing to prepare the pads, you know, a lot of this is on both Blue Origin and SpaceX, but if you drive around, I mean, you can see it just when you step outside the building here, you have literal armies that are just constructing away and you're seeing massive progress. And I think they're getting really close to being ready. And so you will have multiple launches of Starship before we go conduct Artemis 3, and you will have multiple launches of the Blue Origin New Glenn vehicle from the rebuilt pad before we go launch Artemis 3. And so that's going to give us a lot of confidence as well.
Moderator 2:01:20 ↗
Next question will come from over the phones from Irene Clots with Aviation Weekly.
Irene Clots 2:01:25 ↗
Hi, thanks very much. Are you all still holding the option to launch the Blue Origin lander for Artemis 3 on a different vehicle in case there's issues with New Glenn? Thanks.
Jeremy Parsons 2:01:41 ↗
Let's see. So at this point in time, no, we are not. Yeah, I think the commentary at the time of the pad anomaly is that it was very important to decouple the lander from the vehicle, meaning there's going to be a lot of attention that needs to go to the launchpad, to the anomaly investigation, but that doesn't slow down the lander itself. And now in that vein, if the lander was ready and for whatever reason Blue Origin wasn't making the pace of progress that they are clearly demonstrating right now, well then you'd have to give consideration to that. But as I mentioned before, as Jerry mentioned prior to that, they are exceeding everyone's expectations. They are so far proving a lot of people wrong in terms of how fast they are recovering their pad. It's rather impressive.
Moderator 2:02:24 ↗
Next question will come from over the phones from Ken Chang with the New York Times.
Ken Chang 2:02:29 ↗
Hi, thank you. I just want to ask at this point, how confident are you that you'll get Artemis 4 launched in 2028? Would you put money on it? I did look at the schedule in 2027-28. Looks very much like a green light schedule. You have a year or less between the uncrewed demo and Artemis 4, and you know something that complex is never perfect on the first try. Doesn't seem like you have a lot of leeway. Thank you.
Jared Isaacman 2:03:00 ↗
We are putting taxpayer money on it, but we are doing so in the most efficient, responsible way we possibly can. In that regard, it's meant to be a confidence update. I don't think you heard from anyone that said it's all, you know, easy road downhill from here. It was throughout my remarks of what a monumental effort is ahead. I think Amit said it really well: as Artemis 2 had splashed down, the extremely hard work is ahead from there. Right. I mean, we are very eyes wide open to what needs to be done, and what needs to be done is to get ready to launch Artemis 3, and in parallel we need to launch a lot of moon-based missions. They are linked, as you should have heard from the presentations today. Those Mark 1s, a lot of commonality with the Blue Origin lander. We need more assets in cislunar space, we need more observation capabilities, we need to understand the environment we intend to send our astronauts to. It's a very demanding environment. We will get that from those moon-based landings, and we will learn an awful lot from Artemis 3 and every step along the way. What we take and we learn, we will roll into the next mission. That is the right way to do something really, really hard ahead. So you should, I would hope a lot of people would get a takeaway from this: like this is an achievable path we are on right now, like this makes sense, it's been thought about long before this year, as Amit was alluding to, but we now have, you know, we have the mandate, we have the resources, the support from our stakeholders to be able to execute, and that's what we intend to do. Next question will come from in the room, front row in the white.
Ken Kramer 2:04:32 ↗
Hi, Ken Kramer, Space Up Close. Thanks for doing all this. My question is about the test landers. Could you talk, maybe Jeremy, a little bit more detail about what is the status of those test landers now? What has been built? What do you still need to build? When do you expect them to be done and delivered to NASA? And when they are done, what kind of acceptance testing and how long will that be for NASA before you say they're ready for Artemis 3?
Jeremy Parsons 2:05:05 ↗
Thanks for the question, Ken. Let's see. So we'll start with Blue Origin. So what you saw in some of the images there, right, the lunar crew module, the domes have been fabricated. They're in final machining. They start showing up at our launch site here. So if you haven't had a chance, Blue Origin has Lunar Plant One just down the road. They are tooled up, they are ready. But a lot of these parts again were not even necessarily fully designed six months ago. So they've bought the steel, they've gotten them fabricated, then they're going to come together starting in the next couple of months at Lunar Plant 1. They're going to start welding the lunar crew module, and they already have a number of the tanks, infrastructure, things like that. And then it's kind of building up the full assembly. There's a lot of common components towards Mark 1. You know, there are a number of risks that are kind of, again, we are tracking closely, and then really trying to embed expertise. So that's going to be, so the E-class system right now is being done, I believe, out of Kent, Washington. That's in final testing qualification. You have your RCS system, that's in testing right now. And so what we're doing is we're actually building flight units in parallel with those qualification testing, and then that's all coming to the launch site for fabrication and integration. What you're going to see is, again, most all of those parts start showing up over the next couple of months, and it's just going to be a hard press to integrate all of them. And then again, we're actually doing a full test-like-you-fly sort of strategy as we go through this, really understanding any deviations. But you're going to go through pressure test, acceptance test, software test. We have simulators that are showing up from both providers that we're then testing against, and then training our crews with. Right? So there is going to be an extensive amount of testing before we go meet these vehicles on orbit to make sure that we understand how they operate and understand our software systems can talk to each other, as well as train the crews appropriately. SpaceX is a little bit more straightforward in the sense you're going to, we're going to yank essentially an off-the-line Starship, and you saw that production facility and how they have some of those. Then it will be modified with the nose cone added. And so for them it's really going to be a story of getting to the performance that we're looking for, getting the Kennedy Space Center launch site up. But the nose cone is fully designed and it's starting to move towards fabrication. Do not expect that to be a long lead item. And again, for them we're delivering, we're delivering emulators for software, we're ensuring everything kind of works, and then going through the same sort of training mechanisms, things like that, not taking any shortcuts in that change.
Moderator 2:07:49 ↗
Next question come from.
Ken Kramer 2:07:54 ↗
How long do you need to analyze it before you say it's ready for 3?

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