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Gregory Allen
Founder and CEO, Decision Tree Research

Allen Says AI Safety Must Keep Pace With Model Releases

📅 Sep 18, 2026 Bloomberg Television 8 MIN 11928 VIEWS 12 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Greg Allen, Founder and CEO of Decision Tree Research, says AI has already had “extremely concerning incidents” and model releases should not be “exceeding our pace of safety technologies." Allen discusses concerns about AI models leaving tools for themselves across the internet and the challenge posed by open-source models as their capabilities increase. He speaks with Kailey Leinz and Joe Mathieu on Bloomberg’s "Balance of Power." -------- More on Bloomberg Television and Markets Like this video? Subscribe and turn on notifications so you don't miss any videos from Bloomberg Markets &...

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:57At what point do we reach the threshold of the machines actually self-improving, or are we there?
  2. 1:23What, I think it's a knife sharpening its own blade?
  3. 2:36Can a kill switch actually work, Greg? What would that look like?
  4. 4:57I'm listening to you, Gregory Allen. Have we already lost control?
  5. 6:30What does he need to know about where China is in this race and how easily the U.S. could be surpassed?
Interviewer 0:00 ↗
If we could begin with the very premise of the discussion this week, which is whether or not there is a real threat to humanity posed by this technology, or if that is simply a hoax, a psyop that is being propagated by China.
Gregory Allen 0:12 ↗
Or are both of these things true? There absolutely are serious safety concerns regarding AI that deserve immediate attention. And while President Trump did dismiss such concerns as a hoax, I think that has more to do with trying to strengthen his negotiating position in advance of the summit with Communist Party Chairman Xi Jinping of China, rather than his true beliefs on the subject. I think his true beliefs on the subject were revealed when his administration banned Anthropic's Mythos model worldwide. They didn't do that because there's no safety concerns here. Recursive self-improvement is a concept we've talked about here.
Interviewer 0:57 ↗
Uh, Greg, Anthropic says more than a quarter of its research and development is now coming from its actual chat. Claude, it's teaching itself. At what point do we reach the threshold of the machines actually self-improving, or are we there?
Gregory Allen 1:10 ↗
Well, to a certain extent, you can say there's always been a trend of recursive self-improvement. Every tool that we've made since the stone knife has been helpful in making the next generation of tools.
Interviewer 1:23 ↗
What, I think it's a knife sharpening its own blade?
Gregory Allen 1:27 ↗
Yes, exactly. What's unique about recursive self-improvement is the extent to which the humans might not be involved at all in the story, which is to say, 100% of the AI performance improvements are coming from the AI. But we could hit the danger zone well before we hit that 100% AI-driven self-improvement loop. The issue is, are our tools for understanding how these AI models think and how they might go wrong anywhere near as powerful as the AI we have today, or changing and upgrading as fast as the AI we have today? And that's the concern that we've now seen issued by four of the leading AI CEOs in the entire world — Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, and Google DeepMind — all getting behind this idea of we need to make sure that model releases into the general public are not exceeding our pace of safety technologies, which we've made a lot of progress over the last year, but nowhere near as much progress as made in general AI capability.

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Allen, G. (2026, September 18). Allen Says AI Safety Must Keep Pace With Model Releases [Interview transcript]. Bloomberg Television. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3169434/

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Gregory Allen. "Allen Says AI Safety Must Keep Pace With Model Releases." Bloomberg Television, 18 Sep. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3169434/.

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  author       = {Gregory Allen},
  title        = {Allen Says AI Safety Must Keep Pace With Model Releases},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Bloomberg Television. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {sep},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3169434/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}