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Senior Vice President & Group President of Enterprise Talent Management, KELLY SERVICES INC -CL A

Transformation of Work Meet-up - KellyOCG President Tammy Browning / 2021 Workforce Agility Report

🎥 Sep 02, 2021 📺 The Center for the Transformation of Work ⏱ 53m 👁 41 views
On this call we welcomed KellyOCG President Tammy Browning who discussed the key findings in the 2021 Global Workforce ...
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About Tammy Browning

Tammy Browning, Senior Vice President and Group President of Enterprise Talent Management at Kelly, has discussed workforce trends and challenges in several public appearances. In a September 2023 podcast, she cited findings from Kelly’s 2022 Global Workforce Report, stating that 72 percent of executives plan to leave their jobs within two years and that nearly two-thirds of firms lack data analytic tools to track employee retention and productivity. She said organizations can no longer rely solely on brand recognition to attract talent and that workers are increasingly asking for flexibility, technology enablement, and continuous development. Browning also noted that one in two jobs in America are considered low-wage with limited flexibility and that wage increases for low-wage workers are often absorbed by inflation. She advocated for including underrepresented talent, such as individuals with minor criminal offenses, to help meet diversity and inclusion goals. In a September 2021 discussion of Kelly’s 2021 Workforce Agility Report, Browning said that only 10 percent of organizations surveyed were classified as “vanguards” in workforce agility, and that these organizations reported improved well-being, productivity, and revenue growth. She stated that 59 percent of executives expected their businesses to adopt a hybrid model post-pandemic and that demand for talent had risen significantly, but that many organizations faced a “leaky bucket” of talent leaving due to low engagement. Browning noted that only 32 percent of millennials were engaged in their jobs and that one in four companies believed their leaders lacked skills to manage a remote workforce. She said organizations were increasingly considering broader definitions of diversity, including neurodiverse individuals and opportunity youth, but that biases and corporate policies still excluded many underrepresented groups.

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Transcript (41 segments)
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John0:00
Hanging for those old days right where it happened. I don't know if you guys see, but I brought a relic out of the bins: my Victors and Spoils hat, one of the few still in existence. That's a collector's item. Yeah, for sure. As we wait for everybody to get on board, I just thought I'd give you guys an update. The book is coming along really well. I got the first draft done on Sunday, so that's the first big hurdle. Jin has been behind me writing and updating, and that's been great. I'm going to start, and Mark, Kanat, and Aditya from Magenta in Mumbai have been awesome reviewing everything. One thing I switched up, which was Jin's idea, is that we started with 'What Just Happened' about the current COVID thing, then went into a chapter on the passion economy, then the ecosystem and how it's set up, and some great research Jin did around architectural innovation. But we swapped that setup, and it makes a lot more sense because when I talk to people about open talent, they say, 'Isn't that a way to take advantage of workers?' So I wanted to put the passion economy first, with an intro to address that right up front: no, in fact, there are a lot of people doing just work passionately across the globe. Then we'll block into the structure and ecosystem, then what happened and why it got accelerated. Anyway, just some details. I'm super stoked to share more. The other thing: Nicholas, I see you from Vega Land. I've been singing your praises yesterday and talked to Jeff Schwartz. I don't know if Jeff is here today, but he was at Deloitte, now at Gloat. I'm really intrigued with what Gloat is doing, especially bringing talent marketplaces internally and thinking about building the classification and internal mechanisms to build a networked organization, not just interacting with outside talent. So that's a quick update on the book. Maybe we should do a breakout. We've got some great stuff: Tammy Browning is here from Kelly OCG, and she has the 2021 Workforce Agility Report. Super stoked to have Tammy share that today. Lots of robust conversations to have. Thanks for coming today, Tammy.
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Tammy Browning2:59
Yeah, I'm happy to be here. It's great. Thanks, John.
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John3:05
Let's do our little breakout. For those who don't know, we usually pair up randomly for five minutes, enjoy the conversation, then come back. Anybody new on the call today who hasn't had a chance to be part of the group?
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Jim Dunn3:25
My name is Jim Dunn. I'm out of Colorado. I have a small boutique consulting firm, but we have three or four people who have worked in labor-intensive businesses like call centers, KPO, BPO. Our CFO was part of Kantar, which a year ago was a four-billion-dollar labor-intensive group. We have a thesis to partner with equity groups and go in and rationalize the light industrial staffing world.
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John4:06
That's awesome. I'd love to spend more time with you guys. Kantar from the spin-off of WPP?
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Jim Dunn4:11
Yes, that's the one spun off about a year ago. I knew those guys, Eric Salam and others, really well because I almost sold one of my companies to Eric several years ago but decided to go with another group. Robert was the CFO for Eric. I know Eric pretty well myself; I did a turnaround for one of their companies six or seven years ago.
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John4:34
That's great. Well, thanks for being here. Who else is new?
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Kanan4:41
Hi John, my name is Kanan. I'm based out of Gurgaon, India. Thanks to Muffe for introducing me to this group. I work for a company called Gold Consulting. We are into business transformation, practicing a management science called Theory of Constraints, which helps improve cash flows and working capital management, ultimately transforming companies. I've been in management consulting practicing Theory of Constraints for more than 15 years. Before that, I was responsible for starting up some companies, including a chain of specialty stores and country operations. I'm very happy to be here.
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John6:12
Thanks so much for being here. Jurgen, I saw you raised your hand too.
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Jurgen Dawson6:18
Good afternoon from London. My name is Jurgen Dawson. I'm also here thanks to Muffe, so thank you for the invite. I've been in the corporate recruitment space for the last 17 years, working with JP Morgan and Citi. The last two years, I've been an advocate for the visually impaired and disabled people because I lost my eyesight after getting a brain tumor. So I'm massively invested in diversity and inclusion for lots of different reasons, and very excited to be here.
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John6:49
That's great. Well, thanks, Jurgen. Anybody else? No. Hey Jeff, I don't know if you saw the comment from John Healey, but nice haircut. Your screen is cutting your head off; you've got a new square top head.
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Jeff7:09
Yeah, I think it's the video. John, thanks for the shout-out. I was on the phone, just walking and getting a coffee here in Manhattan. Good luck writing the book. We were chatting about it yesterday. It is a labor of love, so just keep going.
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John7:20
Thanks, man. It's been a while since I wrote my last one; this is number six. I think it's like having a kid: you forget the pain, and then you're psyched to have another one, but you're like, 'Wow.' I'm kind of in the middle of the birthing process, and it's painful. Hey, just to the group: Jeff and I had an amazing conversation yesterday. It's cool to see him transition from Deloitte to Gloat. I'm super stoked that the conversation made a lot of sense: if we're trying to help companies become networked organizations to tap into open talent, we have to create tools that allow them to experiment with classification of work and look at their own employees as a marketplace. Jeff, if you've got a minute or two, I'd encourage you to chat a little bit because I think it's super important to shift that mindset inside a company.
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Jeff8:37
Very briefly, I could talk about this a long time. I have my book over my shoulder. I published a book in January. The thesis in one line is that 21st-century careers and work require 21st-century maps, mental models, and mindsets. We're held back by using 20th-century mindsets and frameworks. A big part of that is the open talent economy, both inside and outside organizations. We've got great material on the Gloat website. We've been talking about the Great Resignation. In the U.S., there are 10 million jobs being posted, and supply chains are tight around the world, including in talent. What we're focusing on is creating opportunity within organizations. It's really taken off in the last few years. Gloat has been doing this for five years. We have an amazing set of the biggest companies in the world who are doing it. I'll end with one stat: it is easier in almost every company to find a job outside the organization versus inside, in terms of visibility, access, and agency. Organizations like Unilever, PepsiCo, Mastercard, HSBC, MetLife, and Schneider Electric have found amazing opportunities with what they're doing, impacting not just retention but the passion economy—giving people the opportunity to explore what they want to do inside their company. The connection between internal marketplaces and the network ecosystem economy is huge, especially as we pivot from 2021 to 2022. So that's a very brief New York-fast summary.
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John10:59
I love that. I think one of the things I asked Jeff yesterday is: I would love to figure out what the cognitive surplus is inside organizations that people are either calling in or are so dialed that they're off doing other things, or not in the right place and don't have the passion to do the work they want. If you implemented a market solution, what kind of acceleration would you get? It's interesting to explore, and I'm glad you guys are leading the way. Nicholas, from Vega Land, is on the call too. Jeff and Nicholas, you need to connect. I was telling Jeff about Vega Land and what you guys are doing. Make sure you exchange emails in the chat or something. Very good. Thanks. Hey, I'm super psyched to have Tammy Browning here to talk about the 2021 Workforce Agility Report. John, you had a chance to work with Tammy. Maybe you could introduce her since you're more familiar with her great work.
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John Healey12:13
I'm honored to introduce Tammy. She's the President of Kelly's Outsourcing Consulting Group, known as Kelly OCG. She has been both an operational leader and a thought leader in the industry for quite some time. As Kelly went through a restructuring, Tammy was charged with reshaping the thinking of the organization to push things forward more aggressively. Kelly services the global 2000 marketplace as a primary piece in rethinking their workforce strategy. I'll leave it to her to share the detail of the research they've been doing since I left the organization.
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Tammy Browning13:00
Well, welcome, Tammy. Thank you, John. John Healey did more justice talking about who I am than I could do for myself. I'll give you a little context about who I am and what I bring to the table, then talk about this Workforce Agility Report and some of the statistics and findings. I'll give about a 15-minute walkthrough and then leave time for questions because it will provoke thought. As John said, I am the President of OCG. I have been in the space for 22 years. I live, sit, and breathe in California, so I'm trying to avoid the sunlight coming up over my head. OCG is a global workforce solutions organization that connects organizations with people to fuel their business needs. We solve problems for any way an organization wants to procure talent. If you could, Cynthia, please jump into that first yellow slide. A couple of things I want to talk about: the Workforce Agility Report. We started asking organizations questions in Asia-Pacific in 2017 to give our local teams information about go-to-market. There were significant findings of gaps and opportunities, so we launched it globally this year across APAC, EMEA, and North America, surveying over a thousand senior executives, 20% of whom were in the C-suite or board roles across 13 countries. The 2021 report focused on the post-pandemic environment and addressed four dynamics of a resilient workforce. First, workforce fluidity: any way a company can leverage talent that is not their own full-time employees. Second, DE&I. Third, employee experience and engagement. Fourth, tech adoption—not just having a computer, but tech that enables people to work differently. The report is very actionable. If I pivot to the next slide, the pandemic triggers are a systemic shift in how and when work gets done. Our research found there is no new normal; the future of work will be defined by a continuous state of flux. Remote work has allowed employees to be more productive, providing more individualism and collaboration. This opens up a wider, diverse population of employees. More than half of respondents saw productivity improvements, and more than half saw employee satisfaction and turnover decrease. 60% of executives agree talent has never been more important as a source of competitive advantage. Despite that, most organizations recognize major gaps but take no action. If we go to the next slide, I'll share some statistics. 59% of executives say their business will adopt a hybrid model. Remote work is here to stay, and organizations need to adapt. One in four companies believe their leaders lack the skills to manage a remote workforce. 49% say they will have a clear view of the optimal mix of talent, and 25% say the workforce has a skill gap they're not sure how to address. 55% say their strategies are struggling in that space. 55% say their DE&I is underrepresented. A very small minority have leading-edge technology to address these gaps. If you go to the next slide, I'll talk about two distinct groups: the Vanguards and the Laggards. Only 10% of respondents fall in the Vanguard space. Vanguards are embracing change and enjoying better business results. 94% reported revenue growth in the last three years. Vanguards take strategic, long-term approaches to improve resiliency, agility, and well-being. Laggards report employee decline, lost revenue, and lack of engagement. Vanguards are also looking at how remote work increases innovation. They find these four dynamics critical to their agility and profitability. If you go to the comparative analysis, Vanguards have amplified workforce fluidity, with a comprehensive strategy for bridging skill gaps by employing new talent and using contingent labor. This gives them the ability to be more nimble. More than one-third of Vanguards are hiring more permanent talent, but they recognize the need for a fluid workforce. Two-thirds have employed more contingent workers in the last 18 months, and more than 52% have implemented reskilling or upskilling. 87% say improving visibility across talent is more important than ever. They're also building a far better employee experience. 91% rank improving employee experience as high as customer service expectations. They make a direct correlation between performance and business results. The Great Resignation is real. Our demand for talent is up nearly 30-40% in the contingent space and nearly 70% in full-time hiring. But you have a leaky bucket of talent going out the back door because they're not engaged. Vanguards are significantly ahead by conducting regular surveys, focus groups, and affinity groups. Only 10% of organizations are in this space. Vanguards involve employees in shaping roles and get information about their employee value propositions from the people in those roles. On DE&I, this is the number one question I've been asked in the last 18 months from every major Fortune 100 company: how can you help me become more diverse? Vanguards are embracing DE&I beyond just talking about it, with meaningful, actionable strategies. 43% of executives say they have a fully developed DE&I strategy for their permanent workforce. But only 19% are looking at DE&I within their contingent labor population. Vanguards are twice as likely to have a strategy that can be communicated effectively. On employee experience and leading-edge technology, Vanguards suggest technology is critical to managing this flux world. Laggards are overwhelmed by the amount of technology. Vanguards are adopting new technologies faster and realizing better engagement and stronger employee value propositions. The number one question in the offer process now is: what is my tech package? Vanguards use technology to gain better visibility and beat out laggards in their EVP strategies. How can you be a Vanguard? Many organizations will never return to the way it was post-COVID. Employees will continue to demand greater flexibility. The employee is interviewing the organization more than you're interviewing them. We need to shift our thinking on how we engage and stay ahead. Employees need to rethink how they find, manage, and evolve their workforce. Adapting to this uncertain future is the best way to remain resilient. If you want a copy of the report, you can go to the Kelly OCG website or connect with me on LinkedIn. John, I'll hand it back to you for questions.
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John33:06
That was super awesome, Tammy. I really appreciate the nice frame on Vanguards and Laggards. Lots of good learnings. I want to open it up for questions. Anybody want to raise their hand or jump in?
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James33:30
Yes, thank you, Tammy. That was really insightful. My question is: when you look at pay grades, would you give a different answer for minimum wage versus $15-20, and how does this affect nearshore and offshore?
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Tammy Browning33:55
Really interesting. The wage conversation is a real one for the coming years. For workers under $17 an hour, we are really struggling, particularly in manufacturing and light industrial, to attract talent. Yes, it has an implication if your wage rates are far below the competitive landscape. Many organizations are looking more holistically at total compensation packages and determining variable comp differently. For example, some organizations with bonus structures are removing the bonus and increasing the pay rate because surveys show people would rather have the pay. The report breaks down regionally, so you can triple-click into dynamics in APAC, EMEA, and North America. There are different dynamics in each region.
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Jurgen Dawson35:51
Hi Tammy, my name is Jurgen. Question relating to how the Vanguards are approaching diversity. Is there any expansion around their definition of diversity, pulling in additional classifications beyond typical gender, race, and veteran status?
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Tammy Browning36:12
The report doesn't tell you that, but from my seat, yes. Many organizations are looking at what diversity truly means. A few years ago, it was about spend under management. Today, it's more about talent: specific worker populations like inner city, opportunity youth, African Americans, Asians. It depends on the organization, the skills they need, and where they want to bring them in. They're also looking at attracting talent at a younger age. We used to groom talent from high school levels, and we're seeing that again across labor categories, including manufacturing and light industrial, with upskilling and reskilling for the future of work.
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Chuck38:00
Hi Tammy, I had a question related to something that happened in my life this past weekend. Locally, in one of our biggest tourist towns, six restaurant pubs closed their doors because they couldn't get people. I thought it was a canary in the coal mine. We're going to face this dilemma where organizations just can't respond because they lack labor.
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Tammy Browning38:30
I think everybody is experiencing the talent dynamic, whether in a global organization or a restaurant. In North America, stimulus packages drove some of that. Organizations couldn't sustain the last year, so their revenue bases were low. Most stimulus money is now done. We're seeing talent pools go from a 1:3 submit ratio to 1:12, so people are coming back. I hope for these employers that this leaky bucket slows quickly. It's heartbreaking to watch. There's no statistic or report that will solve this; it's about getting people back into the workforce and encouraging them to grow in their careers.
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John40:16
Excellent. Thanks, Tammy. Who's next?
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Steve40:21
One quick one on technology adoption from the point of view of a contingent workforce provider. You're using your clients' job descriptions, hiring workers, putting them out to be trained and managed. What technology has promised to create a loyal workforce for that contingent workforce provider?
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Tammy Browning40:53
There are a lot of dynamics. If we could do real education on what co-employment means and how to mitigate it, we'd be far ahead. In the contingent space, we have very little visibility and control until the worker goes to work. We'd love to get more involved in educating employers on what they can do to make people more productive and listen to the contingent labor population. Organizations are not surveying contingent workers. We can have deeper conversations about how to get into the heads of people who will likely become full-time employees. From a pure play perspective, there are a few technologies from an ATS perspective that track the life of a contingent worker, their training, and development. We're seeing that technology enter the temp labor space, and we can help educate organizations on what they can do in their ATS or HRIS to track contingent labor.
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John42:51
Excellent. Great answer. Who else? I'd love to continue the dialogue. Steve Raider, you're always first with great thoughts.
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Steve Raider43:09
I love this. This is great, really reinforcing a lot of things we've been talking about. It's astounding how much the pandemic accelerated things. The trends were there beforehand, but the acceleration is astounding. You mentioned lifelong learning and the future of work. I don't think I heard you say anything about the massive retirement going on. Ten thousand baby boomers a day are retiring, adding to the picture. Interesting stuff. Thank you, Tammy.
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Tammy Browning44:10
The generational information is fascinating. It's not just baby boomers; it's women leaving the workforce in a big way because of the pandemic. Generationally, only 32% of millennials are engaged in their job. That's why the Great Resignation is real. This generation doesn't have loyalty to anyone. Your employee value proposition has to be deep, and engagement strategies must address the four dynamics. Millennials make up the greatest population of the workforce, and the next generation has a whole set of other priorities. Tech adoption, making people's jobs easier, and giving them meaningful work is more important than ever. People want to connect what they do to meaningful output. You have to explain why they're doing the job and the impact they're having on the company.
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John46:12
That's great. Brian Pena, you always have such fast experience. Any thoughts?
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Brian Pena46:20
I think this is really exciting stuff. I'm interested in where best practices are evolving. When we think about DE&I, it's often limited to certain subsets. Can we expand to include neurodiverse or differently abled people? Does your data show that being incorporated?
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Tammy Browning46:51
Yes, underrepresented talent includes neurodiverse, opportunity youth, inner city kids, and people with minor criminal offenses. Our data goes deeper into that. We're ruling out talent that shouldn't be ruled out based on background checks. The data is very specific on how to address diversity and bridge skill gaps. We're working on something secondary because the future of work and post-pandemic are mutually exclusive but have merged in conversation. We need to understand our diversity strategies for the future of work because that talent can bridge gaps quicker.
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John48:05
You brought up something really interesting: the second chance workforce. I think that's going to be a bigger issue. Are you seeing across your clients a reassessment of their requirements for hiring people?
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Tammy Browning48:37
I am seeing it evolve, but I'll be extremely honest. Everybody is talking about it, saying help me understand how to bring in underrepresented talent. The problem is that we give the requisition to hiring managers, and there are still so many biases in the hiring process. Some corporate policies don't even allow people with certain backgrounds to go through to the hiring manager. So we have a multi-pronged issue. Conversations are happening, but they need to adjust risk tolerance, train hiring managers on removing biases, and watch that talent through the life of their assignments. Diverse talent is more likely to leave in the first year because they don't feel engaged or feel like an island.
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John50:10
That's great. Hey, you've got time for one more question. I'll leave it to Link. Make it quick.
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Link50:16
No pressure. I asked a question in the chat. I think it's important to highlight: as we attract new, younger talent, doesn't that create a new set of minorities of older people who are displaced from their jobs or realize their social security and pensions aren't enough? They're having problems being found because companies are attracting younger talent. How do we address this recreation of new minority groups?
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Tammy Browning51:08
I think older generations would appreciate your question. They do feel ruled out. Their resumes are often deeper, and they're ruled out as overqualified, but they still want meaningful work. I haven't seen it manifest as its own diverse population, but I see it as an opportunity for every organization to have metrics and goals in their DE&I strategies to address all ways a person identifies. That needs to be one of them, in addition to getting women back to work.
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John52:04
That's awesome. I know we're at time. Thank you so much to everybody. Tammy, that was an amazing talk. I would love to schedule some time with you one-on-one to talk about the upcoming book that Jin, Kareem Lakhani, and I are writing. It would be great to include some of your research. I love the paradigm you've created with Vanguards and Laggards. It's very hopeful and gives companies a way to track to a new paradigm. Thanks again. I love you guys.
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Tammy Browning52:43
I was just going to say there are a couple of other questions in the chat. Brandon, if you want to forward those to me, I'll answer them in an email. I'll be happy to do that.
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John52:56
That'd be super fun. We'll do it. Thanks so much. Love you guys. This is always such an amazing group every week. I'm blown away by the knowledge, thoughtfulness, and community we've created. Thanks again. We'll see you guys in two weeks. Happy Labor Day.