David Bullwinkle29:51
My view of being a good leader is being real, being transparent with people, being honest. Every one of us has had somebody who's tried to spin us on something. I kind of equate that to the used car salesman, somebody who tries to tell you that it's either not that important or that this is really good. That spin lacks credibility, and it would make me question whether they really know what they're talking about if they're trying to convince me this is a good thing. I value somebody who's honest. I think at Kodak, our leaders now share everything with each other; no one's trying to hide anything, and we're very transparent. Jim Continenza, Executive Chairman, who I regard as a very good leader, is very honest with people. I think I'm very honest with people also. I'd rather tell you the facts and provide you the data, then let's have a discussion about what we're going to do with it. That's a whole other conversation: how do we create this as an opportunity, how do we make something good happen out of perhaps what might be viewed as a negative situation? Obviously, a leader is somebody who rolls up their sleeves when they need to, all those different things, but ultimately it comes down to practicing what you preach. It's the stuff that my parents told me as a kid: you reward hard work. I respect leaders who do that, who work hard and reward hard work. I think somebody who's willing to be open-minded and listen to their people is also very important. I've been blessed with a great team here at Kodak over the years, an incredibly committed set of leaders and employees who maybe don't have all the right answers but really want to see it be successful and get the job done. So the key characteristic of a good leader for me is honesty, integrity, relying on the data to guide us. The really special leaders are people who can look at that and then create opportunities out of difficult situations. I think we've got that here at Kodak. The turning point for me in terms of realizing we're actually going to be able to do this was when Jim Continenza stepped into the role two years ago. We were able to pretty quickly create a clear vision, and every organization needs that. We were going to monetize the packaging business, get a loan for the stub, and then work on removing the additional debt, and that's exactly what we did. Now we're into that kind of maybe not the last phase but closer to the last phase on a transformation around how you create that growing company. We have some great businesses, some incredible technology, participating in portions of the industry that are not growing rapidly. In traditional print, printing plates and the chemicals around it will always be there for a long time, but it reduces about 4% every year. The digital print side is very exciting, and we have great technologies there. There is growth there as the conversion occurs from offset to digital. Unlike the film transition from analog to digital, where there wasn't a lot of profit on the digital side, in this there's ink and service profit on the digital side, which is very exciting. One very interesting example is inkjet printing on flexible packaging. That has not been done in the past with any reliability, and we've created a press with a partner that will do that, allowing you to print inkjet on film. We have water-based inks, and the film is oil-based, so you're literally mixing oil and water, and that doesn't happen. The way we treat that material is how we've unlocked that value. You get into packaging, and you start to think about what the world economy is doing again absent COVID; packaging is going to grow. That's a great place for Kodak to play with innovative technology, and our inkjet technology is really second to none. We're very excited about that, and it's an example of recognizing that and being more aggressive in our investment there than where we were headed previously.