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Avner Applbaum
Chief Executive Officer, President & Director, VALMONT INDUSTRIES INC

Valmont Industries, Inc. - Gabelli 16th Annual Omaha Value Investor Conference

🎥 May 06, 2025 📺 GabelliTV ⏱ 28m 👁 409 views
Chris Marangi (Co-CIO, Value, Gabelli) moderates a discussion with Valmont Industries at the 16th Annual Omaha Value Investor ...
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About Avner Applbaum

At the Gabelli 16th Annual Omaha Value Investor Conference on May 17, 2025, Applbaum stated that his initial focus as CEO was renewing the company's emphasis on its core business, embedding commercial and operational excellence. He said the company is now moving into a phase of accelerating growth by investing in plants to capitalize on what he described as "undeniable mega trends." Applbaum noted that the utility infrastructure market is "booming" and that Valmont is on a three-year program to invest about $100 million in capital expenditures for growth, which he said would generate over $100 million in annual new revenue. Applbaum discussed the company's approach to tariffs and trade uncertainty, stating that Valmont is "cost neutral and earnings neutral" due to localized supply chains and sourcing US steel. He highlighted that the telecom business grew 30% year-over-year in the prior quarter and is one of the company's highest margin businesses. Regarding capital allocation, Applbaum said the company is disciplined and focused on return on invested capital (ROIC), with a $700 million share repurchase authorization planned over three to five years, of which $75 million had been purchased in the first few weeks of the first quarter. He expressed optimism about the company's future, citing potential for mid-single-digit growth over several years and operating margins approaching 15%.

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Transcript (22 segments)
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Chris Morani0:00
All right. So, we've got that third terrific Omaha based company, Valmont, with us today. Again, rejoining us. They've been a fixture here for many years. Again, I'm Chris Morani, co-CIO for value at Cabelli Funds. And we're very pleased to be joined today by three individuals from that company. We've got Avner Applbaum who's president and CEO. He joined as CFO in 2020. And before that he was CFO of a number of private companies and some compounders like Emotech and Beldin and TE connectivity. Tom Lori on the end who's been CFO since 2024. He was CFO at a number of public and private equity backed companies as well. And Renee Campbell making a visit with us. She not only handles IR but treasury for the company. So again, really glad to have them here. Valmont has about 20 million shares. Stock is happening pretty strong today, 308. So it's about a six billion equity cap, about 500 million of net debt. So we heard earlier from one of your peers, Lindsey Corp. They talked about some of the mega trends impacting their irrigation and infrastructure business. Maybe you could just talk a little bit about what you do, echo some of those mega trends, and maybe even highlight some of the differences.
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Avner Applbaum1:21
Perfect. Thank you. First of all, thanks for having us and giving us the opportunity to share a little bit about Valmont. So we've been around for nearly 80 years and we're kind of known as a concentric company and that's true. Our roots are in agriculture. We're actually the leader and the founder of the mechanized precision irrigation. But since 1946 we expanded tremendously and in fact now 75% of our business is infrastructure. The way I like to think about it, we started horizontal with the pivot and then we went vertical with our engineered structures. When you think about infrastructure, we engineer and manufacture engineered structures to support transmission, distribution of utility, lighting and transportation and communication. So starting just to give a little bit of background around infrastructure, we're kind of behind the scenes. We impact everyday life but not necessarily what you think about. A lot of what we do is to replace aging infrastructure, but it also ties to growth. Let me give a few examples to share a little more color. If you think about population growth or more communities leaving the cities, going to the suburbs, we call suburb sprawl, or some cities that are growing. As you see this growth, they need lighting, new streets need traffic signals, sign structures. These individuals need to connect their mobile devices, so they need telecom solutions as well as provide power and energy to their homes. Then add all the infrastructure that comes with that around schools, hospitals, malls, parking lots, and we provide all the infrastructure around that. Let me give one more example around infrastructure utility. Everybody talks about AI and data centers. One of those hyperscale data centers is equivalent to 80,000 households. So there you go, another city that needs power. What we do is not only the transmission, we move the power, the distribution, the substations for those data centers. We do many more things. We provide lighting, sometimes private network is needed, we galvanize the parts. That's another example of what we do in the infrastructure space. Now let's turn to the agriculture space. We have population growth. Over the next decade we should see 650 maybe 700 million more people on the planet. We need to feed the people, and not only do we need to feed them, they are eating healthier, more protein, so you need a lot more grains. There is no more land, in fact there's probably less land because land is used for other purposes. Our solution, the pivot irrigation, provides how do we do more with less. How do we get the best yields using less input costs, whether it's power, labor, water of course. Water is the number one factor for the health of what you're growing. So overall, that is what we do with agriculture. Think about food, energy, lighting, transportation, communication. Those are the areas that we support. And you're an AI play, which hopefully everybody out there heard.
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Chris Morani5:18
Anyway, we'll come back to technology in a little bit. But after you're coming up on your two-year anniversary as CEO, you set out a number of priorities when you joined, obviously knowing the company well as CFO. How do you think you've executed on those? How have they changed?
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Avner Applbaum5:31
First of all, I'm really grateful that I have the opportunity to lead this company that just has a legacy of success and so many opportunities ahead of us. I'm really fortunate for that. One of the first things I did when I came on as CEO is let's renew our focus on the core. Let's focus on what we're really good at. What does it mean focusing on the core? It's how do we be more effective, more efficient and do things better. I'll give several examples. One of them is around just commercial and operational excellence. Embed that stronger into the business, provide value. We've been doing that in a meaningful way. Commercial excellence, how do we make sure we're strengthening our relationship with our customers? How do we provide them with strong ROIs? Solving some of their biggest challenges and just driving pricing excellence on that front as well. Investing in our plant. We've seen change in demand. One example is we see more in our energy space and our utility space. We see more distribution and substation. So how do we add that flexibility into our plant? We're investing in our plants as well to support the growth. Maybe one other area is we've been really focused on the organization. How do we have an organization that has less layers, better span of controls, create an organization that is more efficient, closer to our customers, closer to our employees, closer to the point of impact. Then as it relates to our financial metrics, we've been driving a steady and strong increase on our number one financial metric which is ROIC. The last point, and maybe Tom can share a little bit about the financials. We've been focused on the core and improving profitability in ROIC. Now the next phase which we're going into is growth. How do we accelerate our growth? How do we capitalize on a lot of these undeniable mega trends and strong secular demand drivers and investing in our plans to take our fair share of the growth? And maybe Tom, you want to just jump in, share a little bit?
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Tom Lori7:53
Sure. For everybody, I joined Valmont and I'm honored to be here. I joined on Labor Day of last year. So thank you Avner for having me part of the team. But ROIC is really important and what I've learned at Valmont is it's really embedded in the culture. If you go to any plant, any department, people are talking about how to use capital more effectively. Last year our ROIC was 16.4% I believe. The I part is really important as we go forward. Avner just talked about growth. When we look at how we're going to deploy our capital and what we're investing in going forward, it's really about investing in revenue growth and margin expansion. With revenue growth, today the utility infrastructure market is booming and we really can't meet the demand. In fact, our backlog keeps getting larger and larger. So we're on a three-year program to invest in capacity to expand our plants which will grow our revenues. We've said that for the next three years we'll be investing about a hundred million of capex just in growth. We know if we invest a hundred million of capex, we'll get over a hundred million annual new revenue and we'll get over a 20% operating margin from that. On a cash basis, we actually get $30 million or more from that. But it's also about investing in people and processes, what Avner touched on. If you came into one of our factories, we're a metal company. We're diversified industrial. We take plate, we cut it, we bend it, we weld it, we put attachments, and that's a utility structure. When you think about capacity and throughput, yes, it is about adding press brakes and welding stations, but it's also about getting more throughput from the factories that we have today. So we're investing in people, in AI, in scheduling. The whole concept is very simple. If we can always have material at the right time, right place, more poles are going to be going through our factories and we'll get a lower cost per unit. The second thing we're investing in is for margin expansion. Very simply, you invest in your higher margin products. Brandy and Brian talked earlier about technology. Avner touched on it. We're investing quite heavily in the technology in our company and it's both in agriculture and infrastructure. On the agriculture side, Randy and Brian talked about controlling your pivot from your phone, but it's really much more than that. We're going downstream. We're investing in e-commerce. Why is that? I'm a farmer. I'm in the field. My pivot is down. I need a part. I need to get it up immediately. We have an e-commerce site where now they can go on their phone, they can see the part they need, they can see if it's in stock, they can order it and they'll have it there the next day. The third thing we're investing in is just simply our value proposition. How do we invest so that we're more important to customers? The best example is our telecom business. Our telecom business grew 30% year-over-year last quarter. It's really one of our highest margin businesses. The reason it is is because we put capital behind the inventory in the distribution system. In our telecom business, we are supplying a lot of the smaller parts that might be at a 5G tower that you'll see down station. Our value proposition is we can get you the parts in two to three days and because of that people are willing to pay more. So ROIC is really important. We have a great track record, but really our investments going forward are going to have revenue growth, margin expansion, which will further improve our ROIC.
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Chris Morani11:49
Great. You've identified a number of mega trends obviously that are independent of what happens in Washington or state capitals, but obviously you are somewhat impacted by government spending particularly in the infrastructure business. Maybe you could talk a little about areas where you're seeing strength, where the opportunities, where are you focusing your attention?
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Avner Applbaum12:07
Yeah, so our businesses are impacted by some government spending. We talk about IJA and others. They do help our business. They do provide tailwinds as countries invest in infrastructure. But a lot of what we do really ties to these secular demand drivers that I mentioned around population growth, the increase in energy, 5G, etc. To give a little more color, first of all, we're a global company. A third of our business is global and there are many trends that are providing support. For instance, I touched on 5G and telecom. Maybe half of the population now, they say around 50% is on 5G, but by 2030 they're talking about 85%. That is driven by carriers and not necessarily by government. If we look at utility and energy, there was actually a report this week that said we're seeing in the US the highest growth that we've seen since World War II. We're seeing a lot of growth and that growth is projected to be mid to high single digits, in fact six to eight percent growth over the next several years, and that investment is driven by carriers. So a lot of these drivers are strong secular demand. We talked about food. It's the growth in the population, eating healthier, but there's also the elements around food security, how countries want to provide food for their people. So yes, government stimulus helps, but our business is driven by many more drivers that are sustainable and like I said, they're undeniable.
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Chris Morani14:05
So trade remains the elephant in the room. There was a lot of consternation a month ago about how American steel sent to Mexico for assembly and sent back across the border would be treated. I think you surprised some people last week with just how well you've come out so far and your belief that you can be cost neutral with the current set of tariffs. Take us behind the curtain. How are you managing the business in this time of uncertainty? And maybe elaborate more a little bit on your tariff exposure. Tom, you want to take that?
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Tom Lori14:37
Yeah. So we did come out, we said cost neutral, earnings neutral. Valmont team did a great job of mitigating tariffs. We have a few advantages. First of all, we are global but the supply chains are localized. If you're in AMIA, we're making parts in AMIA for the AMIA market. If you're in APAC, we're making product in APAC for APAC. In the US, the vast majority of the products that are going to our US customers are from one of our 24 plants. So we're very well set up. I think what people got worried about with us is we have a facility in Monterrey. But what everybody needs to understand is that is our most cost effective plant that we have. We are actually investing in it and we got good news last week. We think we're going to get 10% more revenue out of it this year. We want that because if we can keep improving Monterrey, we can get to a point that even if there was a tariff, we'll be cost neutral coming into the US. What the Valmont team did was, when we first looked at this, it was $80 million expense potentially in the year. The commercial teams working with our customers, we have products that are in demand. This is utility structures, hardening of the grid. People need our product. Our commercial teams worked with our customers to have fair price increases. Fair is really important. We're a partner to all of our customers, but we're passing them on. In agriculture, we had a price increase. Again, people want our pivot. Not to take anything away from what Brian and Randy said, but they followed us with a price increase. More importantly, the work was on the supply chain and making sure that we could get even more localized. I'll give you a few examples. You mentioned US steel. As long as your steel and your product is US poured and melted, it will not be tariffed when it comes back. Our supply chain teams worked with all of our steel suppliers and we now buy US poured and melted steel. We ship it over to Monterrey. We make the structure. It comes back. Our Monterrey facility is USMCA compliant. There's no tariff. There were also things that we were buying like base plates on these towers. We just changed the sourcing. The team has really shown a lot of agility, really shown a lot of capability in managing this. We feel very confident that this year we're going to be earnings neutral and we really think we'll surprise people in the second half of the year of how we come out of this once we get a little more certainty in our customers and macro.
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Avner Applbaum17:38
Yeah, I'll add just a little bit of flavor on that. First of all, I think the team did an amazing job managing tariffs. Think about it, we're a global company. We've been dealing with tariffs for decades, so our team knows how to deal with that. If you also just think about it, we manufacture very heavy stuff, think of our poles. We're not in the business of moving heavy stuff around the world. So almost inherently, we're very close to our plants, to our customers. Like I said, really nice job managing through this.
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Chris Morani18:13
Well, we look forward to that. Look forward to more stability in the economy. Avner, when you and I spoke when you became CEO, I was struck by how numerate and explicitly returns driven you are. Maybe that's your private equity training. You've got a lot of private equity experience amongst you. Talk a bit about your capital allocation procedures and whether that's changing given what's happened with rates.
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Avner Applbaum18:38
Sure. Overall, the best way we can provide value to our shareholders and provide ROIC is really with a very disciplined focus on ROIC and that is what we do as a company. Bring really discipline. Tom mentioned the example of every employee knows what ROIC means and how you can impact ROIC. Walk to any one of our plants and grab any one of our employees and he should be able to tell you how he could impact our company. When we look specifically at capital allocation, the number one is we believe in ourselves. We think the best investment we can do is invest in them and that's what we do. We talked about today we're investing a lot of capital to support this growth and this growth is going to be around for a while. So we are making sure we have a dedicated task force that is investing in capital which will provide the highest ROIC. Then we're going to look at acquisitions but we're going to be very selective. That is the second part. We need to make sure it adds capabilities, products, markets, but it's going to be very close to what we do very well. After we make sure we're investing in the business, then we will go ahead and return to our shareholders through dividends and share repurchase. In fact, we just recently announced, maybe Tom you want to cover that?
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Tom Lori20:18
Yeah, capital allocation is invest in the highest return opportunities. Right after putting it into our factories is our share price. We think we have a very great opportunity over the next few years to grow our earnings per share, our ROIC, our revenue. Therefore, the board approved for us a 700 million share repurchase authorization, which is a little bit over 10% of our market cap. This is going to be programmatic over three, four, maybe five years. We're going to be leaning in when we think our share price is undervalued. But it'll be a regular return of capital to shareholders. We kicked it off in Q1. On our Q2 call, because our share price was down, we did lean in. In the first two or three weeks, we already purchased $75 million of our stock and more to come. This is our plan. But also our dividend. I like the way Jennifer described it. She had a 17% CAGR dividend. That's fantastic. We thought ours was good. If you look at our dividend over the last five years, we had a 10% CAGR, but it wasn't every year. So Avner, Renee, we gave this a lot of thought. When we announced our updated capital allocation a couple of months ago with our dividend, we did increase it 13% and we said we're a company that generates a lot of cash and what we want to do is every first quarter increase our dividend. We think we're off to a good start. So capital allocation equally balanced, put it back in the business, but also return it to shareholders.
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Avner Applbaum22:02
Yeah, and maybe just one more point to add. When I mentioned before focusing on the core and we're talking about capital allocation, one area I should have mentioned as well is we continue to invest in innovation. You might think of a utility pole, you don't imagine how much innovation goes into these. To the load growth, to the soil, to the wind impact. We continue to invest in innovation in all aspects of the business. If it's just the poles, it's different types of poles. It could be steel, it could be concrete, it could be some kind of hybrid to make sure we could support every customer with what they need. We talked about data centers and substations. We're using different material composites. How do we do our safe sense solution to make sure we could keep hazards away is another example. We continue to innovate. Tom talked a little bit about agriculture and irrigation and about technology, but there's a lot that goes into that. There was a question before about is it dumb steel? It's far from that. Yes, you manage it from afar which we talked about, but giving a lot more intelligence to the grower. I'll give another example. If you're driving your car and you hit a nail, you'll get a flat tire. In the field, it's very different. The tire will lose pressure over a long period of time. We give the farmer, again using AI tools, saying you want to go out there to your pivot before you lose the pressure and you don't want to be in a situation where your pivot's not running when you need it the most. So continue to invest in technology and innovation so we could support our customers' needs.
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Chris Morani23:55
Those are some great examples. I think we have time for a few questions. If you raise your hand and give your name, we'll have a mic come to you. Looks like we've got one in the back here.
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Steve Frightenberg24:07
My name is Steve Frightenberg from Nebraska. Do you have any excess industrial capacity? Do you see any benefit in the onshoring of industry for Valmont from the onshoring with your excess capacity if you have any?
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Avner Applbaum24:32
Yeah. As it relates to onshoring, we continue to invest in our facilities. There's a lot of implications that go into a lot more onshoring. Of course we're benefiting at Valmont as we're bringing more production and manufacturing into this country. Of course it creates more need for additional energy, more infrastructure, and like I mentioned earlier that ties directly to us. We are investing in our capacity in the US to make sure we could continue to do local for local. We continue to invest in our plants. We have plants going on right now in our Tulsa, Oklahoma facility. We're doing a significant expansion in Brenham, Texas. We have others going on right now in Florida and in Kansas. We are investing in this country to support all the needs that we're seeing, including our facility here in Valley, Nebraska as well.
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Steve Frightenberg25:33
Are you having any issues with labor like welders or engineers, as far as your labor base?
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Avner Applbaum25:44
Yes. As it relates to labor, welding is a very important part of our workforce. In fact, we have nearly 2,000 welders across our portfolio. We have welding schools in our facilities to make sure we can train, we can educate, we can get the next generation of welders into the industry. So we do that. Of course, we add automation. Is it hard to find? In fact, in one of our facilities, there's a waiting list to join our company because it's a great workforce. So there are pockets, but right now I feel we're in very good shape. Across our portfolio, we have the right amount of people. Part of that is what our core values at Valmont are. It's all around our employees and what we do. So we're fortunate to have this great company that's been around for nearly 80 years and attracts a very strong workforce that we're all proud to have in our company.
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Chris Morani26:46
So with the stock at 307, 308 whatever it is at this moment, still undervalued in my view at least. What do you think is least well appreciated or what misconception do you want to correct in the market today?
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Avner Applbaum27:01
Yeah, I don't know if it's necessarily how I look at that. I would look at it as there is so much opportunity for Valmont going forward. I'm very excited about the future. We're a global company, so we have a lot that goes on. We talk about the North American farmer which will be challenged in the near future. But then we have strong presence in Brazil. We have strong presence in Middle East Africa with different drivers. A third of our business is outside of the US. There are strong drivers there as well. So to me, it's really just being excited about what we can do. A company that has potential of growing that mid single digit plus over the next several years, driving strong ROIC in the high teens, operating margins getting close to 15%. It is in our hands and we have the right talent, the right leadership, the right capabilities, competencies, footprint. We're ready to erupt and have a great run ahead of us and we're ready to execute. So to me, it's very exciting the road ahead and we're ready to execute.
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Chris Morani28:23
Well, we're ready to watch and participate in that growth. So again, really appreciate you joining us again this year. It was a great overview. Thank you.