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Michael Pack
Executive Vice President & President of Vocational Segment, OSHKOSH CORP

5-12-22 FEI Chapter Meeting Keynote Speakers - Michael Pack & Tina Seashore | Oshkosh Corp.

🎥 Jul 14, 2022 📺 FEI of Eastern Wisconsin ⏱ 58m 👁 15 views
Following is the keynote video from our FEI May Chapter Meeting featuring Mike Pack and Tina Seashore from Oshkosh ...
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About Michael Pack

Michael Pack, Executive Vice President and President of the Vocational Segment at Oshkosh Corporation, spoke at a May 2022 FEI Chapter Meeting alongside Tina Seashore. During the presentation, Pack described Oshkosh as being "back in growth mode" with "tremendous demand" in its businesses, noting the company had roughly $7.7 billion in revenue the prior year and guidance in the "low 8 billion range." He stated that the company had nearly 15,000 team members across 24 countries and 130 locations. Pack highlighted Oshkosh's recognition as a seven-time World's Most Ethical Company and its inclusion on Fortune's Most Admired Companies list and the Dow Jones Sustainability Index. Pack discussed the partnership between finance and HR, saying that if the company cannot "attract and retain the right level of talent," it cannot accomplish its mission. He described initiatives such as financial acumen training that began with HR and later broadened to other areas, stating that sharing financial information beyond finance is "critical for the success of the organization." Pack also noted that Oshkosh added diversity goals with "meaningful metrics" tied to incentive compensation for leaders. He said that during the pandemic, the company implemented pay reductions and furloughs but did not cut benefits or stop the 401k match, and that the board approved an incentive compensation payout below threshold after management presented a "compelling story" of its actions.

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Transcript (32 segments)
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Michael Pack0:00
Very pleased to be here with everyone today. This is a topic that is definitely near and dear to both Tina and my hearts. Tina and I have had the opportunity over the years to work very closely together. I'm the CFO at Oshkosh; she leads HR for the commercial segment now, but previously she'll give a bit more background that was really responsible for corporate benefits. We've really had the opportunity to collaborate, and I think we've had learnings over our careers working together, and hopefully you can all benefit from that. So what we want to do is I'll get into the agenda in a moment, but we just really want to provide a bit of a backdrop of some examples where we've partnered together. Before we do that though, of course I have my obligatory... but I lost that. There we go. From an agenda standpoint, I thought it might be helpful to provide a little bit of context first on Oshkosh Corporation. It's really about our focus areas, our strategy, and our core values—it all ties back to people, whether it's people working in our organizations or our customers. So I think providing some background will make it very clear when we start getting into the examples why the interaction of finance and HR is so critical. It's critical to our people, critical to our strategy and our success. So I'll give you a little bit of background, and then we'll go into a few examples of where we've collaborated and really saw some benefit, and then we'll wrap up with Q&A. So again, we'll introduce ourselves and give a little bit of background.
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Tina Seashore2:06
Thanks for having us here and a special thanks for the contribution to the Boys and Girls Club. That certainly means a lot to Mike and I, and to our organization. Thanks for the quick snapshot of me, but a little bit more: I'm Tina Seashore. I lead HR today as of September for our commercial segment, which is a one-billion-dollar piece of the pie for Oshkosh. We make some pretty cool things—we help keep communities clean and efficient with refuse collection vehicles, concrete mixers, both front and rear discharge, and specialty vehicles with crane operation. You probably touch or see what the commercial segment makes every single day. I watched our RCVs come through my neighborhood this morning. Very big equipment with high technology within them. Prior to that, I led global rewards for Oshkosh and had accountability for strategic design for all of our comp, executive comp, HR systems, for the enterprise—15,000 folks across the globe. As you can imagine, you probably work with that individual alike in your organization, and it's important. I can say now, being the top business partner in the commercial segment, there probably isn't a day that goes by that I'm not talking with our VP of Finance and our President. The three of us together sit in a ton of strategic conversations and we're always updating one another. I have success stories just in my eight months already in that role that I'm not going to share today. But before I came to Oshkosh seven years ago, I worked for Bemis Company, which was acquired by Amcor, so heavy manufacturer, and I've been in HR basically all my life. I started out in retail for Walmart stores, so I've kind of seen it all. I've been part of a Fortune 500-plus organization publicly traded, which certainly has a lot of complexities. And that's me. I actually live in Appleton, Wisconsin. I have three kiddos, two dogs, a husband, and when I'm not working, I love to travel and see the world.
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Michael Pack4:28
And Tina's being humble, but she's actually the interesting story. The world of work has changed, and we already really see the impact. She's working but she lives here still and is successfully navigating, and that's something that we as a company really didn't do a lot of in the past. She's doing a great job, as is our VP of Finance who lives in the training segment, headquartered in Dutch Center, Minnesota, near Rochester. So it's working very well, but it's interesting just how the world of work has changed with COVID. I actually grew up just a mile west of here in Neenah. I never expected to end up back in the area, but as with a lot of people, the area has a draw and we ended up back here. I spent nine years in public accounting in Madison after graduating from University of Wisconsin-Madison at Grant Thornton. Then I've been at Oshkosh for 16 years, really in all parts of the business. I started in the corporate group, then moved to our commercial segment, lived in the Netherlands for a couple of years. Talk about HR and finance partnership—I moved my family over to the Netherlands with a four-year-old and a four-month-old, which was interesting. Couldn't have done it without the great help of the HR team. Spent time at our access equipment segment in Pennsylvania for a couple of years, and then most recently before assuming the role of CFO, I was the Vice President of Finance at the Fire & Emergency segment just up the road at Pierce, which is a great business, great experience. Now I've been the CFO for about two and a half years. My first act as CFO was pulling guidance. A little bit more about Oshkosh: we have nearly 15,000 team members—we've actually grown in the past year. We're very worldwide spread, 24 countries, 130 locations, a lot of those obviously manufacturing, a lot of sales and service organizations as well. We were about 7.7 billion revenue last year; this year our guidance calls were somewhere in the low 8 billion range. So we are back in growth mode, seeing tremendous demand in our businesses right now. This is an interesting time to be talking to everyone because we actually had an analyst day at the New York Stock Exchange last Friday. The last one we had done was in 2016. It was a great opportunity for us to share our vision for the future, and one of the things that's really important—and again, there's going to be this consistent tie-in to why it's so important and why people are really the foundation of our company—is that we know ourselves as a technology industrial. Many of you from the area may think of us as building fire trucks, military vehicles. We have significant electrification projects taking place in every one of our businesses, and we have autonomy applications that we're launching and intelligent products. So you think about the talent that you need to bring into the organization. I'm obviously focused on making sure we're hitting our long-term projections, but the reality is if we can't attract and retain the right level of talent, it's not possible for us to accomplish our mission. So a strong theme on that is an example of why that partnership is so important. We really focus on purpose-built vehicles, serving everyone from construction workers in our Access Equipment business, to firefighters, soldiers, and now most recently postal carriers. We believe we're going to be electrifying the whole postal service fleet over the next decade.
Our brands: we operate in four segments. Access Equipment—you'll know them best if you go by a construction site and see orange and cream boom lifts and scissor lifts; that's JLG. We're the largest producer of aerial work platforms and telehandlers in the world. It's a very global business. We also build Jerr-Dan brand wreckers and flatbeds in that business. Our defense business operates under Oshkosh Defense. Exciting new addition with Pratt Miller in the past year—Pratt Miller is not only helping us in technology spaces, but it was a huge infusion of talent into our organization with very capable engineers, instrumental in winning a large defense program with our Stryker MCWS program. A little fun fact: they got their start actually in the racing business, so they have all these great capabilities on top of running the Corvette racing program for General Motors. It's a really cool business, also involved heavily in autonomy and electrification. Then we have our Fire & Emergency business—again, it's not only Pierce fire trucks but also our Oshkosh Airport Products, the big aircraft rescue firefighting vehicles you see at airports. And last but not least, the business that Tina is in. Our strategy is summarized by three simple words: Innovate, Serve, Advance. Again, you're going to see the huge, significant tie-in of people. One of the things that attracts us and certainly attracts me to the company—and I'm sure attracted Tina—is we have a powerful purpose: making a difference in the lives of everyday heroes who do some of the most dangerous jobs in our communities, whether that's a firefighter, a construction worker working 185 feet in the air, now postal carriers, soldiers, or the folks keeping our cities clean with our refuse collection vehicles. That purpose brings a lot of meaning to people in the company. So the foundation of our strategy is really all about our people—without our people, we can't be successful in delivering our mission.
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Tina Seashore11:48
I like to add there that I think our everyday heroes that we serve do some of the most dangerous jobs in the world. A tow truck driver—one in how many are killed on the roadside every day? So we take endless amounts of pride in the products we make, knowing that those folks stepping into those vehicles are really going places that most of us wouldn't go. There's a ton of passion and pride around that, and you can see that in every single one of our manufacturing facilities. It's pretty special.
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Michael Pack12:25
In terms of the strategy, breaking it down: Innovate is really driving innovation not only in our products but also on the shop floor for continuous improvement, driving simplification into our businesses. Interesting on this from an innovation perspective, that front discharge concrete mixer is actually fully electric and at prototype stage, used quite extensively with great customer feedback. And the bottom truck is an electric fire truck that's been in service now for over a year in Madison, Wisconsin. So you think about electrifying things that you may not have expected—it's pretty powerful, and again a testament to the talent we have in the organization. We want to make sure we're taking care of our products throughout the product life cycle, so it's not only aftermarket parts and service but also new connected solutions, telematics, new revenue streams. And certainly, Advance—advancing into new markets, we're heavily involved in M&A and so on. We see a lot of opportunity for growth in our business. And again, because we're very people-focused, it's very important for us to be a recognized leader, being a good corporate citizen. It's good for our people, good for our shareholders, and good for the communities we operate in. We've been a seven-time World's Most Ethical Company, we're on Fortune's Most Admired Companies list, we're on the Dow Jones Sustainability Index. Our mission is to make a difference in not only our employees' lives but also our customers. Our core values are very people-oriented. And ultimately, you're looking at ESG. One of the examples Team will talk about is how we're leveraging ESG and really putting our money where our mouth is, driving incentive compensation for our leaders to make a difference in our communities, increasing diversity, and so on.
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Tina Seashore14:59
I think I'm covering—you're covering that. I'll add to it. Don't worry.
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Michael Pack14:59
All right, so with that, I'll turn it back over to Tina. We'll now transition. I guess in general, I'm hoping that just by providing a bit more color on our company and where our focus areas are, it's going to become clear how central people are to that, and I think we'll go well.
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Tina Seashore15:17
You bet. And I love our core values. If we can just throw them up right quick, Mike, one more time and go back. You know, when I first started at Oshkosh, we had this acronym called CHAIR, and those were our core values. I don't think—wait, citizenship, honesty? I don't even know what they stood for. They were just letters on a wall. We've been on this journey of being a people-first culture. We have the best products, the best customers, and we've really been focusing not just externally but internally on our people. One of the values that I love—all of them—is that we are better together. The way I approach my work internally is with that first, no matter what customer group I'm working with, no matter who it is, what function. Knowing that we can't get to where we want to go without each other. I think that resonates with the partnership that's been built over time within HR and finance. I wanted to highlight that one because I'm hoping you'll pick up on that a little bit too, and why it's so important to us.
All right, so we do have some learning objectives, but I want to spend just a little bit of time on this slide. We really believe that when we partner, there's a winning outcome. We are going to share with you four case studies—real-life examples, recent ones—and there are so many more we could talk about. But I thought it would be fun to take a quick walk down memory lane. The first time I ever had to talk to Mike, I was the VP of Total Rewards. I might have been in the position a year—I started June 2015. I'll give it like two weeks? No, I don't think so. So I've got our corporate finance team who has this authorization matrix, who approves what, all the governance. All of a sudden, I catch wind of a pension adjustment at Fire & Emergency that did not include me, and they just did it without any approval. So as daring, and as stubborn a little bit and bold as I can be, because I'm like, I'm not gonna let these people just walk all over me, so I call up Mike. It's funny because we laugh about that—the first time we ever had an interaction was us doing this, not without positive intent. But I'll tell you, at that moment in our journey as peers and partners, we probably didn't have the 'We Are Better Together' value foundation or the desire for partnership. It was kind of like, we do what we do and you do what you do, and we'll figure out the end solution, and we may fight about it and get really annoyed with one another—which is kind of what happened. So we've come a long way. That just does not work. And I already alluded to the fact that today, I am talking to my peer, Tina, VP of Finance. It makes Brad Nelson, my president, never like, well who do I talk to? Mike, too, right? You've got to talk to us both, but we're always talking, communicating, collaborating, getting different perspectives and insights. So we're hopeful through the case studies that you'll see that.
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Michael Pack19:24
You want to fast forward? That was all in your packet, I'm not going to go through that. It's really about learning to understand one another, why collaboration is so important, and ultimately it can get you the outcomes. We're on a growth trajectory; we have to be so connected and tied in to know the strategic initiatives of the organization and work together to get there, not work against each other. So let's move into some case studies. Anything you would like to share with our first encounter?
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Tina Seashore19:57
I told her, I'm like, you should cover that because thinking back to it, we've become such close business partners over the years, it's a funny example to look at. But you know what? I think what we quickly learned from it was that we both stepped back and tried to understand perspectives. From that point forward, it was very common for us to be picking the phone up all the time, saying, 'Hey, I want to run this by you,' or 'We're hiring this person, are you—if the person's looking for more money or more benefits'—really having that close interaction, knowing that she was a go-to person. Vice versa, yep.
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Michael Pack20:49
So the first example is actually financial acumen training. This is kind of an interesting one, and I'm going to branch out a little bit on it versus just what's on here. One key learning I've had throughout my career, really starting at the Fire & Emergency segment, is that as an organization we've been fairly tight with information over time. Finance can see our results, but we can't really show anyone else because we're a public company. But in the end, everyone has good intentions; everyone wants to contribute to the financial performance, not just finance or the segment president. Early on at Fire & Emergency, we started realizing that sharing information is so critical for the success of the organization. Coming out of the Great Recession, our Fire & Emergency segment was performing with most single-digit operating margins, and there was a lack of understanding of what was really driving that. We had sales folks selling products that were probably the exact opposite of what we should be selling. So education is key, and information sharing is really the spirit of this collaboration. This has come in a couple of forms over the years. The first example is we have an outstanding Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, and it's his life's mission to not only educate investors on our company but also educate people throughout the company on how the stock market works. When we're having an earnings call, who are the people calling in? What are buy-side and sell-side analysts? Just very basic things that normally there's no venue to learn about. HR was really the pilot group where Pat started highlighting programs where he would meet with HR after an earnings call and talk about the call—what are investors interested in, key financial measures. We're constantly asking our company, 'What are your incremental margins?' Well, if you're not in finance, that may not be a concept you're talking about. Or when they're talking about your trading multiple, what does that mean? So really educating people on what our key stakeholders are looking for. And even starting to get into reading our financial statements and understanding them. Pat's been doing that for a long time, really starting with HR. Now it's broadened. Our Treasurer, John Maring, started classes doing financial acumen training with a heavy presence from HR, and it's been broadened to other areas. John's really taking people through some of our public filings to educate people on what investors are looking at, financial analysis concepts, what we're looking at. Let's talk about capital allocation—what does that mean? It's been very well received. After two earnings calls ago, the class was nearing graduation, and after an earnings call, I went straight downstairs to their meeting.
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Tina Seashore24:45
Absolutely. I think we're judged by our stock price sometimes—it's as simple as the number, as complicated as it is. As a person who is partnered with Pat, and I've actually brought this to several of my teams, the feedback is amazing. What I see is more confidence, asking smarter questions, just being smarter business people, especially in our function. It's changing the conversation when they're meeting with their folks, giving them the courage to be different and show up different. It's been awesome. And this is something that John and Pat are so passionate about, and they take the time to do it. We appreciate it so much. But they also get to learn from the audience as well. It was kind of crazy six years ago when we started this—to think we hadn't ever had it. Just a simple request: when our earnings report comes out, what are the things that matter? Why do they matter? Why does our stock price jump or not jump after a call? What can we do like if we do something, how does that impact earnings per share when we're making decisions? The language and understanding of how a company makes money has been phenomenal. We just see our other functions getting smarter, and we're also sharing more information. We do it in an incentive comp quarterly, very transparent coming out of our earnings call. That's another example of taking financial data and applying it to the general population, understanding how they're attached and tied to our ultimate goal. This has been super cool to see. I challenge people: if you're not doing this in your organization, I think you will. It doesn't take much time or materials. We have the website up for investors; we don't have to recreate content. It just created such a great space for vulnerability and then that extra courage afterwards and understanding. It's been awesome.
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Michael Pack27:13
I think one of the other areas—some of the natural tension that you may have, and we're obviously talking about a lot of examples, it's not that Tina and I don't debate anymore. We debate. But if everyone has a better understanding of where she's coming from from a comp perspective, and she has a better understanding of where I'm coming from from a financial impact perspective, that level of understanding allows you to have a much better conversation and de-escalates the situation. Whereas maybe historically in our organization, where the financials were held so closely, it seemed like finance was the keeper and there was this mystery around it. At the end of the day, finance would get frustrated that HR is trying to drive this initiative but our budget—now it provides HR with the tools to understand it. So now it changes the conversation. Tina will call up and say, 'Hey, we're looking at this, we're constantly looking at incentive plans, and so on. I have this idea that I think could help us be more competitive in the marketplace. I'm working with your team, I'm working with the finance team already to try to understand what that looks like and how we can implement that.' Just having that level of understanding breaks down barriers.
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Audience Member28:49
Can we ask questions in the middle? Am I going off script? Do you want us to wait till the end?
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Michael Pack28:56
Does anyone have a question? Oh, okay, yes.
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Audience Member29:07
When you do the financial training, does it transcend just human resources? I assume it's across all the company.
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Michael Pack29:14
It started as HR and now we broadened it.
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Audience Member29:30
Is it reverse? Do you—does Mike learn from Tina?
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Michael Pack30:02
One thing that I did not realize when you become the CFO is the amount of disclosure in our proxy and so on. I had very little expertise or knowledge of all things comp-related. Obviously I audited 401k plans, I understand 401k plans, but the nuances of proxy votes and ISS, and how we're assessed from a comp perspective—everything I know I've learned from Tina. So it definitely goes both ways. I think that just even from a compliance standpoint, not only Tina but broadly we have outstanding HR teams throughout the company that do a great job communicating, whether it's compliance or where we have benefit gaps. It is definitely a two-way street.
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Tina Seashore31:01
Yes. I had the privilege for seven years to author the CD&A at Oshkosh, and I did it as well at Bemis. So I was kind of sad this last one I didn't get to—I did review it, but I was actually not writing it, which was a little scary to give that up, but it ended up being awesome.
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Michael Pack31:20
All right, all right. So let me set this one up. I'd like to actually start with an accolade that I just learned of. Scott Sherman, where are you in the room? Where did he just go? He was going to help me; he was my phone-a-friend. AJ Gallagher is in the audience, and they are Oshkosh's retirement and benefits consultant, so they were very instrumental in helping us along with other partners. What I had just learned is that Empower nominated Oshkosh to Plan Sponsor—something, I don't know what agency it is or group—and I had nominated and put forth our marketing and communication plan with this implementation, and we actually won the award. So the work that was done here we can talk about internally, but we had our vendor partner actually put forth our work in their ecosystem so they recognized it as really positive. I think that's a really neat thing to share because it further reinforces what we believed about this program.
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Tina Seashore32:38
The opportunity was we were with an organization for 19 years, our prior 401k partner. There was a desire and a need—we have a fiduciary responsibility and we always have to do RFPs on a basis that makes sense, make sure we're staying competitive, contracts are right, all of that. We went into that situation having zero intention to move. All of a sudden we came out of the process with 'Holy heck, we need to move to somebody new.' But the important part is this is anchored to our financial well-being pillar at Oshkosh. We focus on physical, emotional, and financial well-being, and we care a heck of a lot about this benefit for our folks. We always want to put in front of our team members the best-in-class. It's not a B-player or C-player; we are out there to find the best, and we have the courage to change if we need to. But the special part is, when I first started, I probably would have ran this project myself—I know how to vendor manage, do RFPs, sometimes do purchasing jobs, although I don't do those anymore because there are better-suited people. I have the tools in my toolkit to go out and find benefit platforms and plans. But this was an opportunity for us to bring forward subject matter experts from finance, treasury, digital technology, HR, marketing at the beginning. We were able to identify the intent, and when we went into the RFP process, we visited these vendors together, talked about results afterwards—everything from researching who we wanted to go out to RFP, to the site visits, to the way we were going to evaluate, to the implementation plan, to the communication rollout, to our integration with the investment committee. At the time I sat on the investment committee being the head of rewards, and Mike is on that too with our CEO, general counsel, chief HR officer, treasurer, and a couple other people. That committee is given authority from our board to operate with a management team for investment committee purposes. The alignment that resulted from bringing all those people from the beginning—I always hear fear of missing out is a real thing, but when you bring people together in the beginning and they get it, they become part of every solution. And that's what happened. We actually had to go in front of our investment committee to get this approved. We were in the middle of the pandemic, by the way. And this team was so passionate—yes, I know it's the middle of the pandemic, we've done our research, our team members deserve now more than ever something better. Being the investment committee member which I also had to remove my sponsor hat, those meetings with the investment committee folks were very seamless. They sensed our alignment, they sensed the risks. That was just very seamless for us as an organization even in the midst of the pandemic. We did alter the timeline—we had an aggressive implementation, we listened to some stakeholders and worked with Empower and adjusted that, so we delayed the project slightly, I think it was only a quarter. At the end of the day, there was certainly fear because it was pandemic, but internally our leadership teams, our segment presidents, their leadership teams were all bought in on board. The auditing process—we even brought in more of our friends from finance and HR to make sure every detail was identified. And it went off, and guess what? Silence. No tell me a time when that's happened. I've been in HR for 20 years, I've implemented benefits all over the place, I've closed pension plans, I've had to stand up in front of thousands of people—this was awesome. And our marketing strategy and communication plan, which included all these folks, it really was the team member at the center, doing the right thing for our people-first culture. It's a super cool example, and I think a couple of years ago we wouldn't have done it that way. We've learned, we grew, and it resulted in something really special.
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Michael Pack38:09
It's interesting. I spent the first part of my career auditing benefit plans, and I always dreaded when there was a plan sponsor change because usually it was never seamless—either accounting issues or compliance issues. I contrast that to some cases historically. If you go on your new payroll system, typically in our organization finance runs payroll, so we do a heck of a job making sure our payroll records were accurate, but by the way, were we compliant with those other details? On the flip side, there have been implementations where other functional areas have run where finance wasn't involved. The user experience was pretty good, but we couldn't account for it; we didn't have the reports, and all of a sudden there was vast chaos after. So the difference in this case was being aligned at the beginning. All those considerations were identified upfront, so it ultimately became a seamless implementation. That strong partnership from the beginning, from RFP through developing the business plan to make sure all key stakeholders and requirements were met, was very successful.
All right, we'll pause there. Any quick questions? Well, please tell Scott that he was not here as my phone-a-friend when he comes back; everyone can harass him, I give you permission.
One of the things we talked about is we believe very strongly in being good corporate citizens. We've had since 2014 greenhouse gas emission reduction goals—ultimately 25% by 2024, and we've already exceeded that, as well as other goals around waste diversion. That's been an important part of our core. But now we wanted to take it to the next level from a diversity standpoint. We've added diversity goals to our organization. It's one thing to just say it's great for diversity, there's an inherent goodness about it because everyone's read the studies of how diversity leads to better performance. But the practical aspect is we wanted to put our money where our mouth was and put meaningful metrics that are really incenting people to do the right thing. This is very much an emerging concept. This was an example where Tina with HR, as well as finance, had to work very closely together to figure out how to do this. It's a good concept; we believe very strongly that other public companies are going to be following over time, and private companies as well. But the 'how'—because typically with incentive compensation plans, there are very clear measures: you have X target, there's wide high, and there are payouts at different levels. It's a whole different concept when you start looking at things like greenhouse gas emission reductions or increasing our level of diversity. One of the areas to start with was seeing what other comps were out there. Very quickly we found there were not a lot. So you really gotta hand it to Tina and the HR team that did a very extensive deep dive on a lot of the metrics that we have good history on—everything from, because ultimately if you want goals and you want to drive behavior, you want to make sure they're understandable, measurable, and meaningful. That was the task at hand, starting with the data mining exercise. Then it was also going before our Compensation Committee of our Board of Directors and pitching the idea. They liked the idea, but getting everyone's head wrapped around how this would actually work was again an area we worked very closely on. Ultimately we were successful in doing so. We have targets now that have been established, vetted by our board. We're proud to be able to share those with our investors because it really is good for our employees, good for the communities we love and work in.
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Tina Seashore43:50
Absolutely. I'll say I don't have the accountability anymore, but this has to be explained in our CD&A. If you've ever written one or read one, when you talk about how a financial measure if it's total shareholder return relative, you have to be able to precisely identify how it's calculated—what are the puts and takes, the numerator, the denominator—and we have that with relative return on invested capital too with a peer group for Oshkosh. This all has to be written and explained and be meaningful to our shareholders, pass Glass Lewis's and ISS's sniffers. We all believe it will, but that's a result we end up having to do a year later because we're always retrospective with the proxy. But that's really important. How we engaged our HR committee—we call it at Oshkosh our Human Resources Committee, because their responsibility and oversight spans beyond just basic executive compensation and benefits matters. That's critical again from an alignment perspective; all of these things have downstream ramifications and impact, and our shareholders need to read it and add value in it and hopefully vote our shares and we continue to stay in good graces of all the shareholders out there.
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Michael Pack45:20
Another important part of the partnership, again going back to measures: it's easy straightforward to measure, and therefore for those of us that have responsibility over making sure ultimately—and that was another key aspect of the collaboration—making sure we designed the plans in such a way that we could properly measure progress towards it and ultimately ensure we're keeping our books and records accurate as we go through the process. So a lot of iteration going back and forth in that scenario.
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Tina Seashore45:58
Yes. And as Mike said, we didn't have the benefit from learning from really anybody. The great thing is when you're publicly traded, you can go out and find out a lot of stuff once it's been released to the public. But I think we had like 10 organizations that were using this in the way that we are. So we really had to lean in and learn as much as we could. We've got a great comp consultant as well, but this felt very internal and relying on one another, looking to our left and right—do we have the right people at the table? Iteration, talk about it, why we should or shouldn't. It's another great example of—I've used the word courage a lot—being courageous to step into a space that we know is super important. We have executives' compensation and folks that are measured off of this. So you talked about in the beginning, we're putting our money where our mouth is, and I think it's going to be positive for Oshkosh. Importantly, with the rigor that we went into the process, there was a high degree of confidence, so there's a high degree of alignment from the executives who are ultimately under the plan as well.
All right, well we'll wrap up with this one. Did anyone else navigate the pandemic? I thought that mask picture was so cute, kind of in a way—sorry if I know I'm talking to a bunch of finance people, maybe you don't think those things are that cool, but I thought it was cute. It just gave me a sense of relief and a chuckle at how far we've come, and I certainly know we're still in this. Oshkosh was deemed an essential business. I think that's really important to understand. Every one of you probably were met with challenges in March of 2020 when we watched it come from China through Europe and into the US. I was part of our crisis management team, so we've been working on how to deploy stuff since then. But again, essential business. Our production team members never left. Our global headquarters shut down for two months; I think I returned to work May 20th of that year to the building. A lot of that is around kind of 'Better Together' and people-first culture. Each one of our business segments was met with different challenges. We had supply chain constraints, some had very large backlogs, and we couldn't let people off. In certain cases, we were trying to figure out how to shut down operation for a week or two weeks and bring it back up to meet the demands of the customer and the supply chain constraints. Everybody had a different issue or concern. But number one was to keep our team members safe and to limit the spread of COVID-19 in our facilities. We did not want that to happen at Oshkosh, and we had very few instances even still to this day where we believe team members contracted COVID-19 from another team member. That was critical. But we also had to meet the demands of our customers. Cost was an issue, I think it was for all of us. How do we meet our shareholders' expectations, our customers' expectations? Our team members were scared because they were hearing in the news people were losing their jobs left and right. We had some stuff to really work through. We knew what we had to take out from a cost perspective. I'll tell you, in other circumstances in my life where you have to reduce costs, the first place people go is headcount—that's natural. We had to look at that in a way; we had to look at how do we slow down the pace of wages. We did have to implement some furloughs, we did have to implement pay reductions for a period of time. Our executives took a pay reduction from April 1st through the end of September. I did as well. Some of our groups had to do one week, two weeks, or three weeks of furlough. We all had different avenues, but I'll tell you, we were not going to mess with people's financial well-being. We held that principle strong. We did not stop our 401k match, we did not cut benefits. We wanted our folks to know that we were going to get through this, and that's exactly what we did. So when I talk about cost takeout, the amount of conversation we had with keeping the team member at the center and caring for them in our underpinning with our people-first culture was so critical and important—how we made the decision, how we communicated this decision. I can tell you, our whole company rallied around one another and did what they had to do in their own individual part to make sure we were still standing at the end of it. And again, we're still going through it; we still have supply chain issues. If it's not something, it's the next. So we were really able to achieve what we set out to do with that flexibility, unique application in specific business units, but it still felt fair and consistent across our entire organization. We knew where we were trending from an operating income standpoint, which is one of our key measures for our short-term incentive plan compensation, and we knew we were well below threshold. But we looked around, and it's just true Oshkosh fashion: we persevere is one of our core values. We're tenacious, we fight through challenges, we fight against big competitors. It's who we are. Everyone just rallied and performed and kept us in a better position than probably we should have been as an organization. So our board of directors actually recognized this. In my prior role, I was privileged to attend every HR committee meeting. I actually authored most of the content and documents and presented a ton of it to our HR committee, along with partnership Mike and I did a lot of stuff together, and our CHRO, John Pfeiffer, and our President CEO as well. They came to us inquiring just about incentive comp. We rallied together and said, we kind of were getting underpinning feelings of the board willing to take positive discretion, which again, publicly traded company, you don't pass any type of sniffer from Glass Lewis or ISS—they can actually encourage shareholders to deny or vote down your say on pay, which is not good and not a place to be in. That has yet to happen to Oshkosh; I don't foresee it ever happening. But we were able to come together, talk about the discretion aspect in our short-term incentive plan, really share and tell a compelling story of what was actually happening. Our board was very keen on listening, and they wanted to do the right thing for our people. We assessed a risk with ISS, we tried to review other proxy statements in which maybe they were doing discretion for purposes through the pandemic. Our fiscal year used to be October 1 through September 30, so we kind of got the benefit of some early filers. We looked at that, and we just really honed in together and came to a conclusion that we were not going to fight for it, but we were going to talk holistically about what we had gone through and what our management team did to keep our organization in the shape that it was, which was amazing to watch. The end result is they actually approved an incentive comp payout, and we paid below the threshold value. We came up with the right formulaic approach; pro forma statements were created. Then the test: we actually had to write it in the CD&A of what we did, how we did it, how we approached it. And our say on pay that year was just as good as it was the other years, with no concerns from ISS or Glass Lewis. It was because we were specific, we talked about the why and all of the puts and takes of it, and were very transparent. That's just another example of collaboration specifically between HR and finance in all of these decisions, and ultimately how it translates into our shareholders and our board of directors. So in that case, we gained market share during it, we exceeded our cost reduction goals, we improved labor efficiency. There was a very tangible, higher OI on lower sales. Obviously, having the background from an HR perspective and working closely with the broader team, pulling that information together into compelling documentation, we could offer that. So again, a great success and a huge win from a people-first cultural perspective.
We also implemented a new pay practice during this for our folks who couldn't come to work because in the beginning, there was no testing and you're automatically quarantined. We implemented that and got alignment and agreement across the entire organization. We had to analyze the data—could we afford it? Was it the right thing to do? There was just one new benefit and compensation practice that we implemented during this, and it was all in the spirit of we don't want our folks coming in if they're not feeling well, and we don't want them worrying about their paycheck. If you're close contact and have to get sent home—one comment: if as an HR leader I didn't say this, I'd be really upset with myself. When Mike and I as senior leaders in our organization partner together, what do you think that means for our teams? What do you think that means for my direct reports working with Mike's direct reports? The flow of information is better, the communication and expectation around collaboration is already set when they see us do this or talk about that, or we bring each other up in conversation. The flow of stuff getting done and decision-making is so much easier for your people below. That's an added benefit, but it literally is true. Hopefully it gave you a few ideas of how you can break the barriers down. From humble beginnings of our working relationship to where we are today. I appreciate everyone's participation. I guess open it up to questions.