About Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Kirby, participated in a panel at the Global Inclusive Growth Summit on June 17, 2025, titled "What crypto gets right." During the discussion, Kumar stated that approximately two billion people worldwide are unbanked and face challenges with fees and transactions. He described the current moment as an "inflection point" where there is a willingness to combine the history and consistency of financial markets with modern technology. Kumar emphasized that trust is essential, comparing the need for regulatory oversight in crypto to the Federal Aviation Administration's role in aviation. He noted that regulation can foster innovation while ensuring safety and security.
Kumar also discussed the importance of partnerships, saying that "innovation can only happen when partnerships happen" and that no single entity has all the solutions. He referenced an example from the COVID-19 pandemic where frontline healthcare workers in Venezuela were paid using USDC, a stablecoin, which he described as a demonstration of crypto "getting it right." Kumar added that money now moves "instantly, cheaply, securely, safely" in a manner similar to messages.
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Transcript (18 segments)
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Raj Kumar0:00
Great to be with all of you. One of the things that makes the Global Inclusive Growth Summit so different, so unique, is that we're looking sometimes on the positive side of the coin of what's actually working. That's why I love the title of this session because often the narrative, and I can be accused of this too around crypto, is to look at it very skeptically, and with good reason. But on the other hand, many of you in this room know, there's about two billion people in the world that are disconnected from the financial system. They're not banked, and as a result they face a lot of fees, a lot of challenges doing transactions, getting access to money. So we have two companies on stage with me that I think most of you know that are trying to change that. I think that's a pretty exciting challenge, and I'm eager to hear how we can do it, how we can do it with crypto. So Linda, I want to start with you.
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Raj Kumar0:51
Circle has been a bit like a rocket ship. This is a company that's only been around 10, 15 years and is developing these stable coins that are going to change the world. It's pretty remarkable. Mastercard has been around a lot longer. I think of you if they're the rocket ship, you're like the satellite network. You're everywhere. But you're in the space too. Why and how? And what are the benefits to customers?
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Linda Kurpatre1:17
Thank you Raj and thanks for doing this, and thanks to Elizabeth. A great partner and a quick friend. We have a lot in common, not just in our personal lives but in our professional lives. As you said Raj, we're in different spaces but our spaces are colliding. Why is that? One, it's because we both have the same mission to democratize payments, to bring more people into the financial mainstream, and to make it more accessible, more transparent, more secure. The second I'd say is this thing is so great because it offers choice. Choice in what's so fundamental: consumers and small businesses will decide how they want to pay and be paid. Stablecoin/crypto/blockchain technology enables that choice and enables an environment of competitive payments, which of course we all love. When we offer choice, everybody wins.
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Raj Kumar2:18
I think for a lot of people in this room, they might feel like they already have a lot of choice, they pick where they bank, they pick the tools they use, but that's not the case for everybody in the world. I think about Venezuela and the situation there and the work you all did with healthcare workers. Tell us a little bit about that as an example of where not everybody has choice and why the system without blockchain doesn't work for everybody.
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Linda Kurpatre2:44
These use cases are not only fun to talk about, they're very moving to talk about, and they underscore the fact that this is technology that's here now. It's not like we're talking about something in the future. We're still early, but we are enabling aid disbursement, for example, which is a fantastic use case to look at as an illustration of how this all works and how crypto can get it and is getting it right. First, to explain for a second: we manage something called USDC, which is the world's largest regulated US dollar token coin. What that means is you give us a dollar and in exchange we give you a digitized form of a dollar only ever worth a dollar. Nothing speculative about this. Same thing for euros as well. Because that dollar is digitized, it has the superpowers of the internet. In the same way that you don't think about the cost of sending an email or WhatsApp message, you just send it and it works, money moves the same way now. The example with Venezuela is a great lens through which we can see that. Starting in COVID, frontline healthcare workers in Venezuela were not getting paid and needed help. In partnership with a certain consortium here in the US, entirely blessed, everything we do is regulation first, we enabled taking that money, digitized it into USDC, and we were able to go right over the top into their phones. They could get that aid. Over the years, it's really empowering because these people, even if they were getting paid, the currency was fluctuating all over the place. By having USDC in their digital wallets, they could go and either pair it with a credit card and use online, exchange it amongst themselves, go to a kiosk and cash it out. Many different ways of turning that into fiat money they could use locally. They had access to the dollar and something that was stable.
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Raj Kumar5:28
Linda, you know this because you're president of the Americas. There's a lot of countries in your regions that have gone through currency fluctuations. If you're wealthy, you can have dollars, you can have an account in the US or overseas, but this has not been something the average person can connect to, being able to access funding in other currencies and use that to hedge their situation. Part of this comes down to the question of trust. We titled this 'What Crypto Gets Right' because there's an assumption that crypto gets a lot wrong. We've seen all the speculation, all the distrust, for good reasons. Talk to us about how you, as a company that in a lot of ways offers trust, that's your currency, how does a company with a currency of trust work in the world of crypto?
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Linda Kurpatre6:17
Trust, as we know, is so hard to earn and very easy to lose. What defines trust for us is putting the customer at the center of everything we do and delivering for that customer reliably, stably, consistently over and over again. For us, trust is everything. We've had several decades in the market to facilitate trust, and our brand is now synonymous with that. When you think about Mastercard, we sit the role we play as a network synthesizer. We facilitate the flow of payments between buyers and sellers seamlessly, securely across 150 million merchant locations around the world. When you're talking about the Venezuela example, it's a phenomenal, life-changing, transformative example. But if those individuals don't have a place to leverage the currency they've been given, the ecosystem falls apart, then you lose trust. What we do so well is that last mile distribution, that acceptance network, the interoperability, the ubiquity that creates trust, the consistency of doing it over and over again globally. At Mastercard, we are very excited about the promise of stablecoin because we see it as an extension of what we're already doing as a network provider, a natural extension into crypto. To make it real for everyone, show of hands, how many in the room have bought or sold cryptocurrency? About 7-8% raised their hands. If I asked why you haven't, you might say 'I don't know if I can trust the exchanges, I don't know how to use it, I don't know how to access it.' We've been demystifying that, working with partners like Circle to democratize crypto across channels you're familiar with. Do you know you can use your card to purchase cryptocurrency? Do you know you can use your card to earn rewards on crypto and then use that crypto in any location where Mastercard is accepted? Do you know you could use our technology to transfer crypto and stablecoin across borders? Most people don't. When you break it down into digestible ideas and insert trust, that's where the magic of crypto comes to life.
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Raj Kumar9:10
It also sounds like not everybody's going to even need to know. Part of the magic here too will be you just pay for something the way you pay for something. You don't know on the back end, like you were saying with WhatsApp, how it actually works. We have a vision and we got big companies like yours and others working on it. We have use cases and examples. Why hasn't it happened yet? Why is it taking so long? What are you missing for this to become the thing that two billion more people actually use to access the financial system?
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Linda Kurpatre9:41
I think the last mile is a really important piece. We're B2B, not B2C. Finding last mile partners is the most important thing in many respects that we can do. I feel incredibly confident in saying this is the way money will move. Imagine meeting me in 1997 and I'm saying this is the way content will move, this internet thing is the way money will move for all of us. You don't necessarily need to know that. A refugee using a credit card backed by USDC may not realize that US dollar got into their wallet at 35% of the cost at T+1, not 14 or more, instantly, securely, safely, transparently, so the organization trying to get money from A to B, this is not pallets of cash being dropped across borders. Because it's all based on smart contract technology, it's programmable. The organization, whether it's a UN example, can see it going from A to B. Then the question is what do they do with it? There's a variety of partners they can leverage. Over time, it simply isn't going to matter. You'll have it in your digital wallet just like you might have your Mastercard on your iPhone, not even the plastic anymore, just tapping and paying. You don't know how it gets from your phone to the merchant. It just works. Something like USDC will be powering transactions behind a Mastercard sitting on your phone. The trust piece is important because we've spent more than a decade building trust through regulation, making sure it's safe and secure. We go in the front door of regulators and policymakers. That's important because for us, we don't have a worldwide brand like yours. We have to build it, and trust is the ultimate currency. If there's no trust in that digital dollar, it's game over.
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Raj Kumar11:57
Elizabeth mentioned regulation. How important is that to seeing this flourish? Seems like a complicated space. We're talking a lot about cross-border transactions. Obviously this is something Mastercard knows a lot about. Where are we with regulation that could unlock this opportunity? What do you want to see in that space?
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Linda Kurpatre12:17
Many people have been craving some guard rails and rules of the road around how to transact. Part of building trust is knowing there's an infrastructure and rules of the game that everybody can play by. If there's fraud on a transaction or a dispute, there are rules that protect people's money. For those of us that didn't raise our hands, if you can't rely on some framework or guard rails, you're less reluctant to participate in that ecosystem. It'll be interesting to see how regulation evolves. From our perspective, we're excited to work with governments and central banks around the world to cultivate this. We're excited that the administration wants to bring in the private sector because in this space, innovation can only happen when partnerships happen. No one has it all solved on their own. The opportunity to get access to the people making the framework happen is very exciting.
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Raj Kumar13:31
On that point that nobody can do it on their own, I'm curious as we wrap up, what has the crypto space and the more traditional finance space learned from each other through this tumultuous decade or 15 years we've been through? Quickly with you, what do you think the crypto world has learned from traditional finance?
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Linda Kurpatre13:50
I think we are trying to model ourselves on the world's best brands that have imbued trust and earned it from their very large consumer bases, like a Mastercard. That's really important because with money, if you don't trust it, it is game over. When you're creating a new form of money based on an old form of money but supercharging it with the superpowers of the internet, so it can fly around the world like a WhatsApp message, safe and secure, we need to model ourselves on the best brands to see what they've done to earn that trust. This is one reason it was clear from the very beginning that you cannot do this and be taken seriously if you're not regulation first. Regulation breeds innovation. I'm not going to get on an airplane the FAA hasn't blessed. I'm not going to use a credit card that I know is protecting me.
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Raj Kumar14:57
What about you? What are you picking up from this crypto experiment we've all lived through?
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Linda Kurpatre15:03
I think the beauty of this inflection point is that you have a willingness across an ecosystem to take the history, longevity, and consistency of financial markets and marry it with modern-day tech, getting the best of both worlds. The scale, ubiquity, and cross-border nature of the work already done to create our financial infrastructure can take a nascent currency and turn it on fire. That's the most exciting part of where we are in this journey.
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Raj Kumar15:36
There's a lot of things to be worried about in the world, but it's great to see there are some things with real potential, potential to happen quickly, and this is one of those. Watch this space and join me in thanking Linda Kurpatre, Elizabeth Carpenter. Thank you both.
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Linda Kurpatre15:52
Super.