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David Garfinkle
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer, CORECIVIC INC

CoreCivic (CXW) Virtual Road Show with CEO Damon Hininger & CFO David Garfinkle

🎥 Sep 02, 2020 📺 channelchek ⏱ 62m 👁 938 views
Part of the Channelchek Virtual Road Show Series, featuring an exclusive corporate presentation from C-suite executives ...
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About David Garfinkle

David Garfinkle, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of CoreCivic, participated in a virtual road show on September 17, 2020, alongside CEO Damon Hininger. During the presentation, Garfinkle stated that the company's business model generates significant cash flows and is durable during good and bad times, including the pandemic. He noted that as of June 30, 2020, CoreCivic had a leverage ratio of 3.9 times net debt to EBITDA and over $364 million in cash on hand. Garfinkle also discussed the company's decision to revoke its REIT election and convert to a taxable C corporation effective January 1, 2021, citing that the market had not assigned a proper value to the company's cash flows and that the REIT structure limited its ability to retain cash and buy back stock. Garfinkle addressed challenges facing the private prison industry, including political pressure and mischaracterization as non-ESG investments, which he said had increased the company's cost of capital and limited banking relationships. He highlighted growth opportunities in states like Alabama, which he described as planning to construct new correctional facilities owned and maintained by CoreCivic, and estimated $15 to $20 billion in outdated correctional infrastructure nationwide requiring replacement. Garfinkle stated that the company's near-term capital allocation priority was debt reduction, with share repurchase programs to be evaluated afterward. He also noted that he had accumulated a significant amount of CoreCivic shares over his tenure as CFO, with over half of his net worth invested in the company.

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Transcript (20 segments)
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Narrator0:10
Welcome to the virtual road show series presented by Channel Check and Noble Capital Markets of the 6,000 small and micro-cap companies listed on Channel Check. Today we're featuring CoreCivic, NYSE ticker symbol CXW. Research coverage of CoreCivic is provided by Noble Capital Markets. Noble is a FINRA-licensed, SEC-registered broker-dealer. All Noble research is available on Channel Check. Following the formal presentation, Joe Gomes, Noble's senior research analyst covering CoreCivic, will ask our presenters a selection of the questions received. The source of the questions will remain anonymous. And now, here is Damon Hininger, CEO, and David Garfinkle, CFO, of CoreCivic to make the presentation. Damon and David, take it away.
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Damon Hininger0:59
Thank you so much. I'm Damon Hininger with CoreCivic. Thank you for Noble Capital Markets having this virtual road show this afternoon. We really appreciate the opportunity to have a little time with you all. I will lead us off and then I'll tag team with David Garfinkle. David is our CFO. He's been with the company since 2001, as you see from the slides there, and has done great work for us in the finance department, but now being CFO for about five years is a tremendous leader for the company, not only on the day-to-day stuff that's most important relative to finance, accounting, and payroll, but also really is an important strategic leader for us as we think about company strategy, and I know our trusted advisor to the full board and our audit committee. As for me, Damon Hininger, I've been with the company about 28 years. I've been in my current role just over 10 years as CEO, and actually I started as a correctional officer with the company in Leavenworth, Kansas, where I was born and raised. Worked in that facility for a couple years, worked another year in a facility in Arizona before coming to Nashville to work in the headquarters. But grateful to have this journey with the company. I love what our company does, and we'll have to share that more here in the coming minutes, but just really been drawn to this company because of its mission and its real focus on helping people get their lives back on track, the individuals that are entrusted in our care. So again, I'm going to lead off and provide a little bit of an overview and talk a little bit about the important work we do in our facilities, and then I'll turn over to Dave here in a few minutes. So, pass the forward-looking statements and go to this slide, which gives you a good overview of the company. I won't read this all to you, but really just want to know the size first. The company has a size of about $2 billion in annual revenue. Another metric is about $3.8 billion in total assets that the company owns, and that is about 18 million square feet of real estate we own around the country. So we're focused purely on U.S. opportunities; we don't do anything international, so that real estate holding is purely U.S. based. On the bottom left, you see the operational segments: Safety, Properties, and Community. Let me talk about Safety first. This is where the company was founded back in 1983. Our founders saw an opportunity to provide a private sector solution to corrections agencies at the federal, state, and local level. They had a great opportunity to do that because at that time there were about 41 states that were in a dire situation where they had federal courts coming in because they were concerned about not only being overcrowded but really old, antiquated infrastructure, and also wouldn't get key services, not just with the programs but also medical and other important services that are really needed for this population within these facilities. The founders looked across town and saw what HCA did in healthcare and asked the question, 'Well, maybe there's an opportunity for a company to do the same thing in corrections.' So the core business, what we call Safety, is where the company was founded. We have about, with our footprint along with some competition in our industry, about 8% of the total inmate population in private facilities. We do tremendous work on the program side, which I'll talk about here in a minute. But what's unique about our business too is that we do it with government. In many cases, our government partners do this themselves, and so that way to benchmark ourselves in real time with our operations versus our customer, which again are running their own facilities, motivates us and really incentivizes both of us to do better with the population that we've been entrusted with within our facilities. We're also very proud of the fact, and we know this creates a very high bar, but we have a lot of oversight from the jurisdictions that we work with. They'll have on-site monitors, they'll have auditors that come in that work for government to do regular inspections, but also third parties like the American Correctional Association and a couple others that come in and continue to inspect our operations. We know with that type of scrutiny and that type of frequency from an audit perspective, that raises the bar from a quality perspective, but also we're always focused on providing good value back to our government partners. The Safety segment is the majority of our business at the moment; it's about 80% of our NOI if you look at this past year. This solution, where we own and operate, we do have a couple of solutions in here where we just provide the service and the government owns the real estate, but the vast majority is where we own the real estate and we provide the service. It has been a great solution for jurisdictions that are dealing with growth, overcrowding, antiquated facilities, cost savings, all of the above, and we provide that not only high quality but in a very cost-effective way. We've had good growth in that segment for nearly 40 years. Two newer parts of the discussion, or part of the history I should say, is what we call the Properties segment and the Community segment. You'll see those both here on the bottom left; those were established around 2012, 2013. Let me give you a little color on those. The Properties segment is taking our know-how on how we can develop and maintain real estate, and we provide that solution directly to the government. In essence, they become the tenant. So in cases where we own and operate prisons on the Safety side, what we do on the Properties side is we own and maintain the asset, but the Department of Corrections or the state agency or the federal agency operates it, and so they're the tenant. It's basically taking our wherewithal of not only maintaining and developing properties but also providing a good, effective solution to again deal with overcrowding or, in many cases, replace antiquated facilities with a new project where they can close some of these older facilities, get more efficiencies by closing those facilities, but also it's safer for staff and more humane for inmates. That's what we call CoreCivic Properties, and that segment has had a tremendous amount of growth here in the last six or seven years because a lot of jurisdictions are dealing not only with old and antiquated facilities, but even here in the last six months, COVID has really reinforced the fact that newer, modern facilities that deal with a pandemic are really critical for a population that's at risk with this virus. Finally, on the final column here on the right, CoreCivic Community, that's a relatively newer segment, again around 2013. These are facilities where we own and we operate, but they're typically in metropolitan areas where we're housing individuals in the last six to 12 months before release. The key mission of these facilities is to connect an individual with an employer, help them get reunified with family, participate in religious activities if wanted or appropriate, but basically give them a little bit of a head start before they ultimately get released by the jurisdiction to get established with not only an employer but also with family. These solutions are really critical because that last step is so important to really make sure people have the network, the ties, the employment, and they can support themselves and their family once they get released, and in turn not come back into the criminal justice system. That's what we call CoreCivic Community. The overarching thing, as you see here, is that we connect all these with government, so federal, state, and local jurisdictions. Government is the connection between all three, and all of them have a connection also with the real estate. One thing we think we do really well is develop and maintain real estate for government, again almost 18 million square feet that we own in the United States. We've been doing it a long time and we think we do it very well. On the right, I won't go through all these, but there are some great dynamics or characteristics about this business, but also on the bottom right, a lot of work that we do to help better the public good. I mean, so much work we do to make sure not only provide good quality operations but helping those individuals entrusted in our care again get their lives back on track once they get released and not come back into the criminal justice system. This next slide just gets a little more reinforcement of some of the points I made in the previous one because you see the breakout between the different segments and again some of the trends and the value proposition. Before I turn it over to Dave, I want to just make one key point that I alluded to earlier, and that is the passion our team has for this work. We have an awesome responsibility with our company to really make sure that the people entrusted in our care are treated humanely, that they're treated with respect, that they're provided the services that are key during their journey through rehabilitation, especially if they're dealing with a medical issue, a chronic care issue, or an addiction issue, but they're provided those services as appropriate to help them in that journey. Also, making sure that the people entrusted in our care, if there's an opportunity where they can achieve higher education, maybe get a high school diploma or GED, or maybe get certified in a vocation, we make a lot of time, we put a lot of time and effort and invest a lot of resources to making sure that those programs are available to the people within our facilities. As you've probably seen if you've done a little research on the company, we actually have done our second year in a row of ESG reporting. We were kind of one of the first ones in our industry to run towards that type of reporting. In fact, we were doing ESG reporting before it was known by its current name. We started actually in 2014 announcing public goals on re-entry and helping people get their high school diploma or maybe certified in a vocation. We set goals and then we started doing annual re-entry reports that would show progress or lack thereof of those goals that we set forth back in 2014 and report on an annual basis. We called it a re-entry report up until 2017, and then 2018, and then this current reporting cycle, 2019, we did our two consecutive years of ESG reporting. That report, if you have a chance to take a look at it, provides a great window into our operations and the work we do. But relative to this topic, which is the people entrusted in our care and helping them get better prepared once they get released, I'm really proud to report that we've had over the last five years 30,000 people in our care either get their high school diploma or get certified in a vocation. Those vocation programs historically have been like welding, or being an electrician, or maybe in cabinetry, but more recently, as the labor market changes, and this is the beauty of the private sector, we can change very quickly with that. We just started opening a couple of coding programs, computer program coding programs, because we're hearing, as probably many of you here on the call, that the labor market is in dire need of more coders. That's a relatively new program that we've done at a couple sites and we look to expand. But the bottom line is with 30,000 people either getting higher education or maybe certified in a vocation, studies have shown that when they walk out the door, they're 40% less likely to come back to the criminal justice system. That's kind of common sense, obviously consistent with what you see with the general public when people go through the education system or maybe get certified in a vocation, but that's really important work. We're grateful to have the opportunity to do it. It's part of our DNA, it's our passion, and our employees do such a great job on doing that. It's so important to do because I'll leave you with one last statistic before turning over to Dave, and that is that of all the people incarcerated in the United States, which is just over two million people, 95% of that population will get released. They'll come back into our respective communities, they'll become neighbors of ours. You could say we should do this because if that is going to be the case where you've got 95% of people coming back into our communities, we should get them prepared. But more importantly, it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do, helping these people get better prepared so they won't come back into the criminal justice system, but they can be productive, where they can support their families and be productive citizens in our communities. It's just the right thing to do. So we're grateful to have that opportunity. It's an awesome responsibility that we take seriously, and we think we've shown good success on that. At the end of the day, we're providing good value back to our partners, but we're helping our respective communities too. So with that, Mr. Garfinkle, I'll turn it over to you.
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David Garfinkle14:19
Thank you, Damon. I may be going a little bit out of order on the slide, so I'll kind of start on page seven. Although some of these statistics are not on there, I just want to show you the very strong cash flow business. Our business model generates significant cash flows. It's durable during good times and bad, various economic cycles. It's proved resilient during the pandemic, as I'll get to in a moment. As of June 30th, very conservative, largely unencumbered balance sheet. Based on the trailing 12 months June 30th, our leverage was 3.9 times, that's net debt to EBITDA leverage. We've had a historical leverage policy of three to four times in the Safety and Community segments. In our Properties segment, we're more comfortable with a higher leverage level, we've said four to five times of a leverage level for those cash flows. Those cash flows are based on fixed monthly rents, as opposed to the Safety and Community segments, which cash flows are more or less based on populations, so justifying a higher leverage level in that Properties segment. So blended, that all in comes out to probably, as I mentioned, 3.9 times as of June 30th. We've gone a little bit higher than that, we've been a little bit lower than that, but that's been the leverage policy for the past 20 years since I've been with the company. I'll talk about changing that leverage policy in a minute as we talk about the conversion from our REIT to a taxable C corporation. But as of June 30th, tremendous amount of liquidity, very strong cash. We had $364 million of cash on hand, an additional $154 million of availability on a revolving credit facility. That cash balance does reflect a partial draw that we had done at the end of the first quarter once COVID-19 hit, really just out of a pure abundance of caution, we partially drew down that credit facility to maintain that high cash balance. As of June 30th, as I mentioned, $364 million. Subsequent to June 30th, we paid down a little bit. I mentioned on our last earnings call we had paid down $50 million in July. I think we paid down something like $125 million of that since June 30th. Our cash continues to build, and once we went through the announcement of the strategic revocation of the conversion to a taxable C corporation, when we have the ability to retain more cash, we'll be building cash, so not as much need to keep such a large cash balance on hand. Debt maturities: we've got $250 million of unsecured notes maturing in October 2022, we've got $350 million of unsecured notes maturing in 2023. Our credit facility, which is a billion dollar credit facility, also matures in 2023. So, talk just a couple seconds on performance during COVID-19. Coming into this year, we had guided to the street in February, released our full-year guidance in February 2020, with an expectation of lower ICE detainee populations, and that was really because they had reached some unprecedented levels during 2019. So our guidance in 2020 was already reflecting a reduction in those ICE populations. When COVID-19 hit, for us it was toward the end of March when the administration effectively shut down the border to asylum seekers and anybody trying to cross the border without proper documentation. Our ICE populations really began to decline further. So the reductions that I was talking about comparing 2019 to 2020 were really amplified by shutting down the border to protect U.S. citizens from the spread of COVID-19. Nonetheless, with the first quarter relatively unaffected by COVID-19, we reported both FFO and AFFO. We like to use AFFO as a proxy for cash flows after maintenance capital expenditures but before debt repayments. During the first quarter, that number was $70.3 million. So even having gone through a full quarter in the second quarter of 2020 under COVID-19, we nonetheless reported AFFO of $69.3 million. So our cash flow was very stable under the COVID-19 environment during the second quarter compared with the first quarter. That's not to say we have not seen disruptions to the criminal justice system. We did see our occupancy decline from just over 80% down to around 75%. So the biggest impact there was really with a reduction in ICE populations, but we have seen a reduction in some state populations as well, as the criminal justice system has not been functioning normally under normal operation, say pre-pandemic. I like to say the front door has been somewhat disrupted, and we're not seeing as many populations come in the front door, but people continue to serve their sentences and be released, so we continue to see some reductions in prison populations overall. So with such a stable cash flow base and a business model that's very resilient in various economic times, you'd wonder why did we decide to go through the analysis with our board about converting from a REIT to a taxable C corporation. I'd say there are several reasons, but the main one was the trading price of our stock. The multiple, no matter how you measure it, and I like to look at FFO trading multiples more than anything, you could use total enterprise value earnings multiples, but whatever it was, we just have not had a fair trading multiple. We don't believe the marketplace has assigned a proper value to the cash flows, the durable cash flows that we generate. When we converted, we originally converted to a REIT in 2013. It was the right decision at the right time. We did see an expansion of our multiple to around 15 times FFO trading multiple. As time went by, that multiple declined. In 2015, we started seeing a decline in that multiple. We kept our head down, we said we'll just continue to perform, deliver on the business, and the stock price will take care of itself. For various reasons, it just has not. As we continued to assess what we can do within our control to turn that around, it led us to the evaluation of corporate structure alternatives. We had our own internal analysis, we engaged Moelis as a financial advisor to help us think through that, we engaged Latham & Watkins, who's been our long-time REIT advisors, to help think through what are the various structural alternatives that might potentially be a catalyst for improving the trading multiple. We looked at the REIT structure. When the REIT structure requires you to pay out 90% of your taxable income in the form of dividends to shareholders, we paid out 100% of our taxable income, so a substantial portion of our cash flow is being paid out to the shareholders. That limits the things we can do. When you're at a very low trading multiple, one of the tools companies take advantage of is buying back stock because it's the highest returning investment that you can make with your capital, and obviously capital allocation is a very important part of management strategy. Without the ability to buy back large amounts of stock, having to pay out such a large dividend, that really creates an impediment for creating a catalyst to increase the stock price. Damon mentioned ESG, helping people get their lives back on track, helping 30,000 to 35,000 people get GEDs and industry trade certificates. We think we've got a great ESG story, but unfortunately the market, we believe, has mischaracterized us as a non-ESG investment, and we've seen some political pressure on the large banks as the immigration policies have been perceived as being harsh to the United States. That put a lot of the immigration advocates, a lot of special interest groups, putting pressure on the large banks not to bank the industry. All that's kind of translated into a higher cost of capital. Before the analysis with our board on corporate structures, our dividend was yielding 15%. That's just not sustainable. That's a cost of capital that's not sustainable for our business. The trading price of our bonds reflects higher yielding investments, which implies that when we go to refinance those notes, the interest expense, the rate, the face rate on those bonds is going to go up. So we just looked at the business and said, 'What can we do to improve that situation, rely less on the capital market so that we can grow the business, get a lower cost of capital, improve the credit profile of the company?' All that led us to a decision to revoke the REIT election. We plan on doing that effective January 1st, 2021. We believe we've paid enough dividends to satisfy the requirements already in 2020, so we'll enjoy the rest of the year not having to either pay a dividend or pay taxes. That will enable us to pay down a significant amount of debt in the second half of the year. Then next year, without the dividend requirement, we'll also be able to continue to pay down debt, even though we will have a cash tax obligation beginning next year. So in consultation with the board, certainly the cash flows, what we're going to do with the cash flow is prioritize debt reduction. The revocation of the REIT election, converting to a taxable C corporation, provides numerous benefits. One, as I mentioned, improvement of the credit profile. Just having the ability to retain cash flows makes you a better credit. Lenders are going to be more willing to lend to companies that have a better ability to repay that debt, so that should translate into a lower cost of capital. When that debt comes up, and we actually believe we're going to be able to repay the 2022 maturities that I mentioned and the 2023 maturities with cash flow from operations, but should the capital markets be available to us at the cost of capital that we've enjoyed for so long, we'll certainly be able to take advantage of those capital markets, but we don't have to is the important part. We'll have less dependence on the capital markets, we'll have less dependence on the size of the credit facility. We've got a billion dollar credit facility that matures in 2023. It's grown over the years because it's been cheap capital and it's been readily available, with the big banks making the decisions we believe for political purposes and not to continue to provide credit to the industry. Well, we won't need that capital as much, so we can shrink the size of the credit facility. We'll focus in on super regional banks and community banks, banks where we already do business, and believe we'll be able to get an adequate size credit facility to continue to operate the business effectively, but again we won't be dependent on the capital markets or the banks. Our focus is on paying down debt. We published in our press release that our target leverage is going down. As I mentioned earlier, from three to four times, the new target leverage will be two and a quarter to two and three quarters. So the focus of the cash flow in the interim will be paying down debt, getting toward that net debt to EBITDA target leverage. Once we get that, we'll have the ability to buy back stock. When we were a C corporation last, as I mentioned we converted to a REIT in 2013, but in 2009 to 2011 when we were last a taxable C corporation, we bought back $500 million of stock. Think about what was going on in 2009 through 2011. The country was going through a financial crisis and you had the Great Recession, yet the durability of our cash flows was so strong we bought back a half a billion dollars worth of stock. So we expect to be in that same position, continue to generate significant cash flows, pay down debt, and if the stock price doesn't respond, we'll be in great position to execute another stock buyback program, maximizing value to the shareholders. We'll also have the ability to self-fund our growth. As a REIT, you're dependent on the capital markets to fund your growth and all those growth opportunities. Well, as we're retaining that cash flow, we can use that cash flow to continue to grow the business. In fact, we'll be able to grow in some areas that aren't eligible under the REIT structure. Finally, my last point, we've announced that we're placing certain properties in the Properties segment for sale. As a taxable C corporation, those properties probably don't make sense for us to own. They're more appropriately owned by REITs and other organizations that don't pay federal income taxes. So we're looking at properties not in the corrections portfolio, so government leased assets such as an IRS field office, a Social Security building, Social Security field offices, DEA, and so forth. We're marking those properties as a portfolio and believe that we can generate approximately $150 million in net proceeds, and that's after the repayment of non-recourse debt on those properties and any other obligations. So generating $150 million in net proceeds will enable us to further accelerate the capital allocation strategy, pay down debt, and get to that leverage target of two and a quarter to two and three quarters times faster than we would if we weren't selling those properties. In fact, it could potentially present a unique opportunity where we're actually selling properties and delivering the business accretively, so increasing earnings and FFO per share, because those properties are very attractive properties, particularly if you look at those properties in this environment, leased to the federal government, in some cases state government, but government agencies that have double-A credit rating. So properties are in high demand. Cap rates can be anywhere from 5.5% to say 8%. So if we're paying down debt that's at a higher rate than that, you actually increase your per share earnings at a time when we're de-risking the balance sheet, lowering the risk profile of the company. So we'll see what the ultimate proceeds are. We hope to complete that sale toward the end of this year, potentially could slip into 2021, but we're charging ahead with our goal to try to sell those properties by the end of calendar year 2020. So with that, Joe, I don't know if I want to open up some questions that you've been accumulating either pre-call or during the call. We're happy to answer any questions that you've been receiving.
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Joe Gomes29:30
Thank you, Damon, David. Great in-depth presentation. I'm Joe Gomes, the Noble senior analyst who covers CoreCivic. Here are some of the questions I've selected from the audience, as well as a few of my own, and we'll get right into it. We'll start with the easy questions for you. So the Biden platform has talked about moving away from privatized prisons and detention centers. Along with that, there's been press reports about bad conditions, use of force by guards, etc., in the private prison industry. How do you guys respond to those types of questions?
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Damon Hininger30:12
Yeah, important question. Let me tackle it, and I might tag team a little bit with Dave. The first part is that we've been around for 40 years. We've worked with federal, state, and local jurisdictions, and as you can appreciate, a lot of those jurisdictions have changed. Obviously, governors get term-limited, so you get new governors, but they've also changed politically from Democrats to Republicans and vice versa. We know regardless of who is in the White House, regardless of who is the governor in the jurisdiction we're operating at the state level, we've got to do a good job. We've got to keep our eye on the ball from a quality perspective. We've got to make sure that our customer, which again, reinforced a point made earlier, they do this themselves, so they know what quality is because they do it themselves. We know we've got to do a good job from a quality perspective because they've got a lot of people on site in real time looking at our operations, talking to staff, talking to inmates. If we're not doing a good job, we know that contract renewal rates that we've enjoyed here the last five, six years, which is north of 90%, are not going to happen. So regardless of the political affiliation of the elected leadership with the jurisdictions we do work with, if we do our job and do it well, making sure that we're keeping our eye on the ball relative to quality but also being cost-effective, then we can navigate through the political winds of change that happen from time to time, either at the federal level or at the state level. More specific at the federal level, just to give a little more color about our book of business there, we do work with three federal agencies: the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the United States Marshals Service, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Actually, ICE, which many of you know was formerly known as INS, that's actually where the company started its journey back in 1983. Our very first contract as a company was with the INS, now with ICE, and so we've had almost a 40-year relationship with them. During that period of time, I've seen a lot of presidents, obviously a lot of priorities, especially related to immigration. But our focus has been with INS or ICE to do a good job from the quality, provide solutions that government can't do themselves, but also help them be able to be flexible and provide custom solutions based on the needs and priorities of those respective not only presidents but also leaders in Congress. With a 40-year track record, just highlighted again last week with two new renewals at our two facilities in Texas, it reinforces the fact that the service and solution that we provide is critical. If there's a case where you've got new leadership in the White House, if Joe Biden gets elected and maybe he's got some changes within Congress, the quality that we provide today, the solution we provide today, it's the same thing that happened under President Obama and obviously when Mr. Biden was Vice President. We provided some good solutions, especially in the challenging environment of 2014 where they had a real need for humane, safe solutions for families at the southwest border. We started in 2014 providing that same solution today in South Texas. So if there are changes relative to ICE, I think the change is probably going to manifest itself from funding, where funding may go up or down a little bit depending on who's in the White House and Congress. We've kind of worked through those changes in funding in years past, and we'll navigate that as appropriate based on whoever's in the White House and who our leaders are going to be in Congress, especially if the Senate flips over to the Democrats. One other key point I'd say about ICE is that they virtually, not quite 100%, but it's probably north of 90%, rely on the detention capacity provided in the United States by third parties, either us or city and county governments. They don't have capacity on their own. They don't operate very much, probably less than 5% they operate themselves. So they really do rely on cities and counties or the private sector for a solution. But more importantly, they've overlaid, and this goes back actually to President Bush and even President Obama, a lot of standards, a lot of requirements, a lot of expectations from a quality perspective. Our view on all that is any new improvement on the quality of operations is a good thing. We've supported those reforms, improved standards, additional audit functions and oversight. At the end of the day, that makes us incentivized to do better in their eyes. I'd point to that too. The United States Marshals Service, another customer on the federal side we do business with, they are 100% law enforcement, so they completely rely, like ICE, on either cities or counties or the private sector for capacity. Most of our capacity is near federal courthouses, so these are individuals in the proceedings of their case, and they could be three to six months while they're in Marshals Service custody. We're providing the detention capacity and we're also providing the support from a transportation perspective to get them back and forth to court during their proceedings as their case progresses. They also, like ICE, have put on a lot of standards and requirements from a quality perspective, and we've again embraced that. At the end of the day, that makes us all better from an operation perspective. We think that customer has been unique just because they 100% rely on others to provide a solution, but also the need for that capacity is driven by U.S. Attorneys in the federal courts. That's not necessarily a policy or a congressional direction from a policy perspective; it's really the U.S. Attorneys and the judges that ultimately are working with local or federal law enforcement for individuals that are going through the federal court system. At the end of the day, we're providing a good solution that's safe and humane from an operation perspective, but also high quality and cost-effective. Finally, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the BOP, is the largest correctional system in the country. They're embedded with the Department of Justice, like the Marshals Service. ICE, I should have said earlier, is actually over in Homeland Security. But the Bureau of Prisons has looked at the private sector as a relief valve based on the needs of their system. Up until 2013, they had about 33 years of consecutive year-over-year inmate growth. Since 2013, their population has declined by 60,000 inmates. That's been because of sentencing reform, criminal justice reform, and also moving some populations maybe to a lower custody environment or maybe community corrections. At the end of the day, those are important reforms. Anything connected to criminal justice reform, we're supportive of. We're on the record for that. We've been a good relief valve during that period of time where they were severely overcrowded, especially in the days of the '90s and early 2000s where they were significantly growing faster than the capacity they had available. Today, fast forward to now, we're working with the BOP, but it's one contract, about 2% of our revenue, about 2,000 beds, so it's a pretty small amount over the overall enterprise that CoreCivic provides to our federal partners. I think, as it manifested a little bit in the 2016 election, if there is a desire for the BOP to be even less reliant on the private sector, they have taken steps along with the policymakers to where their overcrowding has been significantly reduced, and in turn, their utilization of the private sector, especially of CoreCivic, has been over time reduced to the level as today, which again is one contract, 2,000 beds, and about 2% of our revenue. From that perspective, if there's a change there, it's obviously not going to be very impactful. Let me turn it over to Dave to see if there's anything you can add to that feedback, because obviously that's an important question.
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David Garfinkle38:46
Yeah, you checked off most of the boxes that I have in response to that very important question because it is a good one. Two additional points I think I would make on ICE. Immigration and Customs Enforcement meets performance-based national detention standards, or standards commonly referred to as PBNDS, that a lot of the local jails that Damon referred to that also care for ICE detainees just can't meet those requirements because of the physical plant. Our detention facilities, which we've constructed purpose-built for this population, are able to meet those standards. So as during the Obama administration, which included wanting to make sure that their populations were following or were governed by these standards, we're able to meet them probably a lot easier than the local jails can, mostly because of the physical plant. The second point I think I'd make, Damon mentioned the family residential facility we have in Texas. That was also a purpose-built facility for this population, for families, particularly mothers and children who are held together. It enables us to keep those families together. They're not separated. We don't house unaccompanied minors. We never have, have no intentions of housing unaccompanied minors. That facility looks nothing like a prison facility. It does not have razor wire, does not have locks, does not have the things that you typically find in a correctional setting because it's meant for a softer population, a mother with their children. We could house them together, and again, that was put up in 2014. Those are the only two points I really wanted to add to Damon's comments.
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Damon Hininger40:25
I appreciate that, Dave. And to the second part of your question, Joe, you asked about the headlines and the accusations about the quality of our operations and individuals doing inappropriate things in our facilities. This is a challenge in business, obviously. Running prisons or jail detention centers, public or private, it is a challenging business. Again, I started with the company as a correctional officer, so I know firsthand in those early days when I was working a midnight shift there in Leavenworth, Kansas, this is a difficult job, but it's an important job. It's a job that we take very seriously day in and day out, not only from a quality perspective, but again, a lot of the things that have happened in the industry, especially over the last 10 or 15 years, where there has been more standards put in place that we've alluded to with ICE, there has been more investment in on-site staff working for government. These are government employees that have unfettered access to every nook and cranny of our facilities. We've got regular inspections by our partners, sometimes not only in real time with the on-site staff but maybe monthly, quarterly, yearly. Those inspections and reviews, these are people that know this business because they do it themselves. This is not people, maybe academics, that are trying to figure out the right way to audit a facility. These are people that probably are wardens from their facilities that have been doing this 10, 20, 30 years, and they know what quality looks like or doesn't look like. That raises the bar. I tell our folks all the time that the scrutiny and the oversight we have is probably a higher bar than a lot of other jurisdictions have in the United States. But so be it. If that bar is higher, let's achieve to try to clear it. Now, are we perfect? Absolutely not. When you've got an organization with 14,000 or 15,000 employees, do employees make a wrong decision or use poor judgment? Absolutely. It's rare, but it happens. I think the clear track record we have, and this is what our customers judge us on, is that we take quick and decisive action when those things happen. We take the appropriate steps, investigate it. Depending on the situation, we may refer to local law enforcement for them to investigate it. The government partner may investigate it, and then the appropriate action will be taken. It may lead up to termination, may lead up to a legal proceeding. But the thing I would point to, I think probably the most important thing for this audience to know, is our contract renewal rates. We started a couple years ago publishing those in our supplementals. If you look at our quarterly supplemental, you can see this going back three or four years, but it's been consistent, which is north of 90% renewal rates in our contracts. Again, our partners do this themselves. You can't pull a fast one on them on quality. They know what quality looks like or doesn't look like. If we're not doing a good job, not only from a quality perspective but in those situations which again are unfortunate and rare, if we're not taking the appropriate action in a decisive way, then that's going to put at risk our contracts not getting renewed. We've been really consistent on that point on renewal rates. The other thing that we post relative to American Correctional Association audit scores, we've been really enjoying good audit scores. Again, that's a third party that is nationally known, that's been around for almost 150 years. They have been setting the standards for our industry, public and private. All of our contracts require that ACA, American Correctional Association, come in on a regular basis, audit our facilities, and actually that audit results in accreditation or lack thereof. So that's another level of oversight we've got at our facility. So the headlines, I know, can be frustrating or maybe an area of concern, but I would say we've got a tremendous amount of oversight from government partners, we've enjoyed great renewal rates on our contracts, and we've got third parties coming in doing reviews. The final thing I'd say before I get back to you, Joe, is that especially people learning about the company and industry for the first time, we want to be completely open book. We've put a lot of stuff out there, obviously on the website, ESG report, the supplemental data, but also come see us at the appropriate time. Obviously, we're in the middle of the pandemic, but at the appropriate time, come see us, meet with the management team in person, come see a facility. We'd love to tour a facility for anybody who's interested and see firsthand our operations, get an opportunity to interact with staff and maybe even our customers. So anyway, that was a long answer, Joe. I'll turn it back over to you, but those are two important questions we want to make sure we answer very comprehensively.
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Joe Gomes44:53
We appreciate the color on that. So I'm going to bunch a couple of questions here together because they're all hitting at the same point. You mentioned you got some new contracts, Idaho, you entered into the new ones with ICE, and the questions revolve around where's the growth coming from? Where's the opportunity set? I know you can talk about Alabama here. What other opportunities do you have? In particular with ICE, you mentioned how the ICE populations have been declining here due to COVID. What does the ICE now entering into the two new contracts mean for you guys, and what does CoreCivic's recovery from COVID look like?
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Damon Hininger45:49
Yeah, important question. Let me begin and tag team with Dave on this. Just say quickly on Safety, Community, and Properties. Safety, obviously we've been impacted. Dave kind of walked you through the numbers a little bit. The state populations have been less impacted than the federal population. Dave gave a little color on some of the numbers there. Probably the answer that you probably hear from a lot of other companies and industries is that when's the new normal, or once normal or the new normal will come? Obviously, a lot of people believe that the catalyst is going to be the vaccine. I tend to agree with that. You're starting to see over the last few months kind of getting back to normal. But do you see a real catalyst after that point where everybody feels it's kind of all clear and there's been a widely accepted vaccine? It feels that's going to be kind of the case within our industry too. But what's very clear, and you asked about ICE specifically, Joe, and I'll mention them, is that our government partners, obviously they're navigating through this too, especially the ones that operate their own facilities. It's very clear that the real estate that we have, where we own and operate on the Safety side, that's even more important to have newer, modern facilities in a pandemic because you're able to do quarantine and cohort, and we've got infirmary beds, we've got negative pressure rooms, we've got newer, modern HVAC systems so you can deal with airborne viruses like this one. That type of real estate has become even more valuable in a situation like a pandemic, especially with our partners that are dealing with 50, 100, maybe 150-year-old facilities that can't do that and have that ability and have a higher risk with a pandemic. The second thing is we're hearing again with ICE and other partners that obviously you've got a disruption in the intakes and releases because of the pandemic, but the footprint of capacity and services we provide is very important, and there has been no desire to change that footprint because near term you're dealing with the ups and downs of populations with a pandemic. That was reinforced even to me here recently with a call I had with ICE leadership. They're continuing to plan. Obviously, they can't say, and our other partners can't say, exactly when normal gets back to normal and the timing of when they ramp up. It's clear that they really value our real estate because it's the newer, most modern capacity in the United States, and second, that they obviously are seeing a change in demand at the moment, but they think that's short-lived. Short-lived could be a month, six months, maybe a year. Dave, let me turn over to you to see if there are additional points you want to add to that before I go to Community and Properties.
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David Garfinkle48:43
Yeah, I guess talking about the growth opportunities, Joe, you mentioned Alabama. Alabama is a good opportunity right now. Alabama is looking to construct three brand new facilities in the state to be operated by the state, so these properties would fit in our Properties segment. We would just be the landlord and providing maintenance of that real estate as well. That's a near-term opportunity. We think that despite COVID-19, Alabama has charged forward on that opportunity, and we believe an award could be made by the end of the year. I think it's down to a couple teams. CoreCivic is on one of those teams, so we like our chances. We've done a very similar solution for the state of Kansas that actually just came online at the beginning of this calendar year in January. I think we're competitively positioned to win one or more of the opportunities in Alabama. There are other states in that same situation. Damon mentioned the outdated infrastructure throughout the country. We think there's an opportunity of $15 to $20 billion of outdated correctional infrastructure that's going to have to be replaced. Even now, or more so now I should say, with state budgets getting tighter and tighter because of COVID-19 and lost tax revenues, they're going to be looking to the private sector to come up with a solution where they don't have to raise taxpayer dollars to appropriate $100 million, $200 million or more for a brand new correctional facility. So we see opportunities. Alabama is a near-term opportunity. We think other states could follow that same solution because of the outdated infrastructure. They're going to have to do something on the state side. You mentioned Idaho. Idaho has a very good contract. We're real happy to resume business with Idaho. We stopped doing business with Idaho years ago, but happy to have them back in the portfolio. They've begun the intake at our Saguaro facility in Arizona, so very humbled by their decision to utilize CoreCivic again to help them manage their population beginning of this year. Mississippi, they were in a very challenging situation in their correctional system. Had some untimely deaths and some dangerous situations that, with a relief capacity that Damon mentioned at the beginning of the presentation, we provide that relief capacity. We were able to quickly come up with a solution for Mississippi. In fact, it was an in-state solution for Mississippi because we had capacity in state. Came up with a solution for them. They expanded that contract from 350 beds to 1,000 beds in the second quarter, so just one quarter after they initially contracted with us, expanded it from 350 to 1,000. Haven't quite utilized that 1,000 yet because of COVID-19, but I think there could be an opportunity to help them continue to solve some of their issues within their correctional system, providing them with additional capacity once things get kind of back to normal. So I think there are particularly opportunities on the Alabama-type, Kansas-type projects where we're just the landlord of the correctional facilities to the state, and some other state opportunities as we've got some idle correctional facilities and capacity within existing facilities. With that, Damon, I'll turn back to you.
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Damon Hininger52:05
Good, thank you. That's a great overview. So yeah, Joe, I'll turn it back over to you.
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Joe Gomes52:11
Great. Let's switch gears here for a minute. I think you pretty much answered what was the primary decision-making process around the change from the REIT to C-Corp, but if you want to expand a little bit on that, feel free. But what are the next key next steps in the process and the timing for the conversion from a REIT to a C-Corp?
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Damon Hininger52:35
Yeah, so we're off to the races on effecting the conversion on 1/1/21. So here before the end of the year, we're going through that process. Dave, I'll let you highlight maybe a couple key things before the end of the year, but it's a pretty straightforward process. We're doing the reverse of what we did in 2012, so we kind of know the playbook. We just have to turn it around. But Dave, I'll let you provide a little additional color there.
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David Garfinkle53:05
Yeah, very little disruption. The facility operations wouldn't even know if they weren't reading the news or reading our announcements on what we're doing. Their day-to-day jobs don't change one bit. We'll have some changes in the finance area as we'll now be required to prepare a much more material income tax provision. But on the other hand, we won't be required to comply with the REIT requirements. There's a lot of work, back office work, associated with making sure we maintain all the requirements to maintain REIT status. We'll obviously continue to do that through the end of this year, but then once the turn of the calendar to 2021, there's tax consulting and other tax-related issues that we'll have to deal with. But most of that's in the finance department. It won't have any disruption to the operations whatsoever, so it should be a pretty seamless transition. Our organizational structure will pretty much stay intact from what entities we have holding contracts and so forth. There's very little effort involved in converting from or revoking that REIT election effective January 1st, 2021. We'll begin recording an income tax provision in the first quarter of next year and begin paying quarterly tax estimates in April of 2021, I think it is. So it should be pretty straightforward. We'll take cash flows, like I said earlier, a unique position where we can take cash flows for the rest of the year not paying a dividend or income taxes, and just focus in on repaying debt. That will be the priority for the rest of this year.
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Joe Gomes54:36
Okay, great. We've got about five more minutes here, so let me throw a couple quick ones at you. What's management's interest in pursuing M&A? What assets are interesting? What type of returns do you target? And would CoreCivic consider going private?
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Damon Hininger54:56
Wow, okay. Good couple of good questions there. On the M&A side, I would say based on where we are today with this announcement, with the conversion underway, as you know, we've laid out and kind of went through a little bit of additional color, and that is number one priority is to pay down debt. Then at the appropriate time, based on if we've got opportunity to refinance or we pay it out, complete those maturities off completely, then we'll evaluate the capital strategy to either do a share purchase or whatnot. That's the near-term strategy from a capital allocation perspective. The interesting thing, I guess probably important to note, on the Safety segment, we were talking about occupancy. Right now, just because of COVID, it's gone into the mid to low 70s. There's a lot of opportunity for growth within the Safety segment, either with existing partners or new partners. Put a round number, keep me honest with you, Dave, but put a round number to it. If we get occupancy back up to what I would say high 80s, low 90s, that probably is about $100 million in EBITDA without any capital allocated or capital needed for the Safety segment. Obviously, that could be a big driver of growth over the next few years. On the Properties and Community side, Community again is very opportunistic. That typically our acquisitions, I don't see any kind of near-term opportunities in front of us based on what we see in the pipeline. From a CapEx perspective, pretty small, those are kind of $10 to $20 million deals, so pretty small. Again, don't see anything I'd say near term, which could be next two or three quarters. Then on the Properties segment, like we talked about earlier with Kansas and with Alabama that we talked about earlier, there is a really robust, and credit to the team here, a really robust environment out there where we can get project-specific financing at very low rates, so really lower the cost of capital on those development projects. So that's what we see near term. The primary part of the question was M&A, and I don't see anything near term. But what we are doing, and this alludes to a little bit of a slide we didn't really highlight, is that now being a C-Corp, there are parts of the industry that we were precluded to do in the past, notably around healthcare or mental health or maybe infirmary beds. Those are really important solutions for government partners, and now we could be a little bit in the front seat and provide those solutions versus in the past we couldn't be in a REIT, and the rules prohibited those types of medical care facilities being able to be provided by REITs. The last question is that, I would say generally, and I think we've demonstrated as a management team, we're always receptive to any and all ideas. I mean, look at how this highlights a little bit. Over the last 10 years during my tenure as CEO, we have done a half a billion dollars in share repurchases. Before we converted to a REIT, we had initiated a dividend. We converted to a REIT, which obviously increased the dividend payment to our shareholders, obviously saw increased valuation during that period of time. As Dave said, being a REIT made sense when it made sense, but it doesn't make sense now. My punch line is that all those things were done in a way to show a behavior that's very shareholder-friendly. When we did the share repurchase program, we had some shareholders saying you guys should think about this, this makes sense, and we listened. They made compelling arguments. Obviously, I'm a big shareholder, so I'll say I'm invested in this too. But bottom line is we're open to any and all ideas. We've always said to investors, if they've got an idea, you've got a receptive audience. We're never going to be defensive and completely dismissive. I think prior practice over the last 10 years shows that we listen, and many times we act on it.
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Joe Gomes59:03
Okay, one last question here. You guys have noted in the presentation that you don't think the share price currently is reflective of the business. So is the company currently in the market for share repurchases, and have insiders been accumulating shares?
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Damon Hininger59:23
Yeah, good question. We have not formally announced a share purchase program. Again, the focus here near term is going to be paying off debt. The debt pay down could be, if we got a window to refinance some of these near-term maturities, then maybe we'll take advantage of that, but if not, then we'll pay down. That's going to be the key critical path here near term, is what the maturities look like, either being paid down or refinanced and kicked out from a maturity perspective. Once we kind of get over that hurdle, then it will be the case where we look at how we think about our capital now that we've got the maturities in our rearview mirror, maybe announce a share purchase program. So that's how we're thinking about it near term. Relative to insiders buying, let me tell you, I've been with the company 10 years. I have accumulated a lot of shares during that period of time. Vast majority, well over half of my net worth, is in this company. If you look at the proxy and look at not only the shares I have outstanding but also I've got some options that are underwater here in the next few years, obviously I'm highly motivated to continue to drive value to our shareholders because I am one. Obviously, I've got a lot of skin in the game with over half of my net worth within the company. So I've accumulated a lot over a period of time. But I'll be crystal clear on this: obviously a $9 share price based on the slide that Dave walked through earlier, the multiple is just not appropriate. So now we're going to do something about it. Now that we've got the conversion to a C-Corp, we've got the ability to control our destiny.
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Joe Gomes1:01:11
Well, Damon, David, I think we can keep going on this all day long, but that's all the time we have for today. Thank you for helping us get a better understanding of the CoreCivic story. If you would like to get the independent research I've written on CoreCivic, go to channelcheck.com and type in the company name or the ticker CXW in the search box in the top left company data section of the site. A recording of today's virtual road show also will be available on Channel Check. Again, thanks to Damon and David from CoreCivic. I also would like to thank all of you from the investment community who have watched today. Log in for more virtual road shows on Channel Check, brought to you by Noble Capital Markets. Goodbye for today.
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Damon Hininger1:01:53
Thank you.