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Jeffrey Aronin
Founder & Non-Executive Chairman, HARMONY BIOSC HOLD INC

Berson Lecture | Jeff Aronin, Life Sciences Innovator | Full Lecture and Q&A

🎥 May 07, 2020 📺 Center for the Study of Human Health | Emory Univ. ⏱ 63m 👁 145 views
Berson Lecture Teaser: Jeff Aronin, Life Sciences Innovator.
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About Jeffrey Aronin

Jeffrey Aronin, founder and non-executive chairman of Harmony Biosciences, delivered a lecture in September 2020 in which he discussed his work at the intersection of life sciences and entrepreneurship. He stated that his companies focus on developing treatments for patients with diseases that have no existing therapies, and that they have obtained multiple FDA approvals. Aronin noted that only about 50 drugs are approved annually in the United States, and that many drug companies do not recoup their investment. He emphasized the importance of aligning with investors who provide long-term capital, given the unpredictable nature of scientific outcomes. Aronin also discussed the potential of artificial intelligence in healthcare, saying that AI will change the entire system in the coming years. He mentioned that his companies have developed an AI diagnosis tool for breast cancer that received FDA approval. He described gene therapy as an area where the majority of future drug approvals will occur, and noted that manufacturing remains the most challenging aspect. Aronin highlighted the underfunding of antibiotic development and the issue of patient non-compliance with medication, both of which he said contribute to higher healthcare costs.

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Jeffrey Aronin0:00
All right, we'll make this fun hopefully. Today you'll learn more about areas in life sciences entrepreneurship and on the business side, because my career, as Emily pointed out, has really been at the crossroads of entrepreneurship, life sciences, and business. To summarize what we really do: we find needs in the healthcare world—patients with diseases with no treatments—and we develop medicines, science, technology that treat those diseases, and we build companies around that. Our core strength is getting medicines approved by the FDA; we usually get multiple drugs approved every year. It's a long, complex process. Something people aren't aware of: there are only about 50 drugs approved each year, and there are 6,000 drug companies in America. That's not a great business, but the work we're doing is so important and meaningful—to be able to change people's lives makes it all worthwhile.
Before I even start today and give you my journey and talk about opportunities I see in the future, I'll start there. Often people look at somebody's background and miss the thing that's missing in what I do: it's meaningful and important work because you are helping patients who have no other alternatives. These treatments help them live longer. Today we're talking about cures with gene therapies, so it's super rewarding. People say, or I will say, it's the most rewarding thing I've done in my career—helping patients, getting medicines approved, and hearing from families. You'll hear about that through my talk. But the one thing I point out is it's not only rewarding because it's meaningful, purposeful work; it's the reason we've been successful. It's allowed us to hire great people because they want to come work somewhere where you're making a difference. It's allowed me to raise a lot of capital. It's hard to get products approved and work through problems for many, many years. For those of you who have worked in a research lab, science is unpredictable and takes a long time, but because you're doing something so important and meaningful, as well as interesting, it allows you to keep going. That purposeful, meaningful work has not only allowed us to be successful, it's made it worthwhile.
We have a product we just got approved last year in September for a terrible neurology disease. The scientist was an 82-year-old researcher from France who worked on this for 55 years. That's what it takes in science often—that level of commitment—because it is so purposeful and important. I'll talk a little bit about my journey, then we can talk about opportunities I see in life sciences, and then hear your questions.
As an entrepreneur, which you have to be in a lot of different fields, it started very young. I always remember starting new companies, doing new things, looking at the world in a certain way: 'Why is it done that way? How come it's not done this way?' My wife laughs at me because by age 11 I had a big lawn mowing business. It was really because I had no money and I didn't want to cut lawns myself, so I had all my friends and my brother cutting lawns and shoveling snow. I was always coming up with ideas to start something, to build something, and thinking about how things could be different. Today there's a fancy name for it: first principles. That's one of the things I've always tried to do—look at things and say, 'Why is it done that way? Why did they design a car like this? What if we did it this way? Why are we developing drugs that process? What if we did it this way?' Starting with those first principles has really been one of the things that helped me as an entrepreneur.
Early on I did every job growing up. At 15 I worked at Shakey's Pizza, and they had me do the books and order alcohol. I had a lot of jobs growing up, and I always loved science. I got to university, and as most of you juniors, seniors, sophomores, I certainly had no idea what I wanted sophomore year. I think that's more normal than most people realize; most people don't really know and will change their careers. I really loved science, but it wasn't my main focus. It's funny—we're in the chem building, and I struggled to get through biochem. I hated it, or I probably would have gone fully into science. Does anybody like biochem? Anyone know someone? Oh, we got one. Okay, you're the one. So because of that, I focused more on business, but I love science. I ended up thinking I was going to law school senior year, planning to go after law school. I had a girlfriend who had asthma; I took her to the medical center multiple times and would ask the doctors questions like, 'Why isn't that working this way?' I think they either liked me or I was driving them crazy. He gave me a card for a drug company representative and said I should call and ask him these questions. I ended up calling on behalf of my friend, and the drug rep said, 'You know what? My manager said we actually need someone in Chicago. Would you be interested in the job?' Because I was graduating, so that's how I got from law school to 'I'll pick one year and see if I like this.' I never went back. I loved it. I didn't love everything, but I loved that we were helping patients.
I remember the moment it occurred to me that this is what I want to do. I was still going to go back to law school; I was just taking a year to make some money. I was sitting in a doctor's office, and the doctor said, 'Let me take you into this other room. One of the patients on the drug trial for your drug is in there.' It was a young lady. Her family was Indian, so the whole family—there were like 30 people in the room for her doctor appointment. I went in thinking, 'Oh my god, I hope the drug is working,' because they were going to take her into surgery and remove a quarter of her brain—epilepsy surgery to stop where the seizures were starting. We went to the appointment, and it turned out she was having no seizures, from 20-30 a day. The family was thrilled, doctors thrilled, she thrilled. I remember thinking, 'Wow, we could do this with a medicine. This is what I want to do for the rest of my life.' It wasn't great design that I ended up there; it just turned out that I was at that point, and it really connected with me.
From then on I really committed myself. The other benefit of starting where I did was I was at the bottom of the company. I did whatever it took, but it allowed me to rotate through different divisions—manufacturing, clinical, regulatory, sales, research—and gave me a good understanding. I never felt like, 'I'm not going to do that.' The best thing that happened to me is I never felt that way. If somebody needed a job done, I'd do it. I was able to do these little niche jobs nobody wanted. They all wanted the big giant brands, the exciting cholesterol medicine with 40 people on it. I would take the little crappy drug with no sales that nobody wanted to focus on, but it was great because it was just me. That's advice I give everybody: go where you can differentiate yourself, where you can figure things out. It doesn't have to be the biggest, most exciting area. Go into an area, find opportunities, and that really benefited me.
Early in my career, about three years in, they needed someone in Japan, and nobody wanted to go for an indefinite time. I was young and thought it was exciting, so I raised my hand and went. It was a great opportunity that exposed me to things and gave me benefits. All these things were really helpful in my career. But something happened as I was growing my career. I was very fortunate to have a mentor, the president of a big giant drug company, who really helped me and promoted me. But as I grew, I recognized that we kept getting bigger, buying other drug companies. This is happening today; these companies grow, and it's hard for a large company to innovate. So they buy other companies to get new products and keep growing, and then they become very big and don't focus on smaller opportunities.
My first innovation was recognizing that nobody was focused on rare diseases. There are 7,000 rare diseases, and only 5% have treatments. Imagine if you're one of those families or people with a rare disease and you don't have hope because only 50 drugs get approved out of 7,000. You don't even go to your doctor anymore because there's nothing they can do. Big drug companies say it's not big enough for them; the drugs have to be this big for us to focus on. So I left the big company to start companies focused in this area. It was more rewarding to me. Instead of the fourth cholesterol drug, I could innovate something brand new where there was nothing, and it was meaningful and purposeful. I was able to recruit great people because of it, and the need was clear, so I was able to get financing partners. That was a great step in my journey—figuring that out and having the ability to just do it.
It was scary. I had Emily at home as a baby. I quit a big job with a giant company to go do this, put most of my resources in it. At that time, being an entrepreneur wasn't cool like it is now in Silicon Valley. People thought you couldn't get a real job. They couldn't understand why you would leave a big company to do this. It was a scary time, but we were able to quickly build. First, we had to recruit employees to this vision, which I was able to do because the need was there. I had to sell them on my vision, and I was able to recruit the best of the best—best scientists, best researchers, best finance partners. At 29 years old, we raised $150 million. I couldn't even imagine that. It was a scary time because we had to go build, but we were doing something purposeful and meaningful, so we all stayed directed on those goals of getting medicines to patients who desperately needed them. We got five drugs approved and sold that company, then sold multiple companies after that doing similar things. Along the way, five things go wrong every day, but staying focused on your goals and objectives makes it work.
Why did I start Paragon? Paragon came about because there's so much technology and innovation going on today like I've never seen before in the last 30 years. Because of genome sequencing, which we couldn't do anything with for 15-20 years because we didn't have fast enough computer technology, now we do with artificial intelligence, leading to gene therapies and all these opportunities. We're able to get drugs approved better, faster, and treat things in ways we've never been able to do before. We're not just talking about treatments. One downside to what I do is it's frustrating that we're treating disease, not curing anything. But today, turning genes on and off, we're able to actually cure diseases. A big focus of mine has been rare genetic diseases, single gene defects, where we can actually do a lot we never could before. It's incredibly exciting.
What does this mean to you? You're coming out knowing more than the guy who's been in the lab for 30 years. You don't have the biases; you're not thinking about things the same way. It's a really exciting time. Artificial intelligence—right now you go to the hospital and it's archaic. We don't use AI for anything. Everything is still hand-written, diagnoses are archaic. There's so much that AI will change in treatments, drug discovery, drug development. People who have the ability to understand AI and put it together with the genome work we're doing—there's so much we're going to be able to do in the next 10 years. Coming out of university today in the sciences or business, it's going to be a revolutionary time.
I'll give you an example. One of the companies on that video is called Evozyne. We are able to use artificial intelligence to understand how enzymes work and model them. We are developing and designing enzymes that don't exist in nature and then producing them. The world's largest producer of nylon came to us and said, 'We make more nylon than anybody, but we start with a petroleum base. It's messy, expensive, sustainability issues. If we had this one enzyme, we would be able to produce it out of vegetable oil.' We produced that enzyme, which will allow them to use non-petroleum-based materials. These are the type of things we're going to be doing. We can do this with drugs—create enzymes that are more powerful, a thousand times more potent than current enzymes. We can do it in human therapeutics, agriculture. We're working with big AG companies, companies doing sustainability and energy. One of the enzymes they want to produce takes carbon out of the atmosphere. There are so many directions this will go, and it's already happening.
I always view what we do as not necessarily projecting the future, but seeing what's going on already today. Your generation sees that better than we do. Every big company already has biology divisions. We're just producing things for them. That's a little bit about what we're doing today and where things are going. It's a really exciting time. I'll end by saying, as I talked earlier, it is the purpose, the meaning that allows us to be successful. As an entrepreneur, the most important thing you do is identify needs—a need that people are willing to pay you to solve. You can do this in any area. Science just happens to be one of those easier areas because technology is evolving so fast. But it can be done in any area. The most important thing is to find: am I really doing something valuable that is going to solve a big problem?
I'll end or go into some questions by saying this is the most exciting time. If you have a science background, especially if you're a science background and an entrepreneur, there's so much that can be done. We're counting on you to solve some of the big problems.
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Audience Member22:11
I think three to five years I recognize it in a healthcare context. I can kind of see it's much more short-term sort of goal. So if you're dealing with investors in the healthcare space, besides conveying the importance of the work you're doing, how do you make that financial appeal when looking for investors for cycles that can be a lot longer than your typical broker?
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Jeffrey Aronin22:28
That's a great question. One of the—it's a whole class to talk about private equity, venture capital. It is one of the most important things you need to do when you build a company: raise capital. It is challenging, but I believe good ideas can all get funded. The real important thing is to find investors—whether venture, private equity, family offices, big mutual funds—that are in alignment with your objectives. Many people go to the wrong sources and it doesn't work. I've always tried to find long-term capital because science is unpredictable; you need longer term. Today we fund the early portion to get it to proof of concept, take that risk, and then we have partners like Fidelity, the giant mutual funds that are long-term focused. While we know most of our outcomes are five to seven years, sometimes it's much longer, ten years, and we want to have that room. Sometimes you end up in a partnership where their objectives and your objectives cross, and you have to sell early or do other things. The real trick is there are a lot of sources of capital today. It's gotten better and better. The most important is if you are really early-stage with an idea and you want help, you should go to venture capital. If you have cash flow or close to cash flow, you should go to private equity. Then there's family office money, even money from companies or family offices. There's also from patient advocacy groups—cystic fibrosis funded Vertex's development. There are a lot of sources. That's a really important area because it's like a marriage; you want to make sure you understand what the long-term goals are, and you have to live with each other for a long time, so communication is important.
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Audience Member24:54
Emily.
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Jeffrey Aronin25:05
So what we did was we learned the hard way. We would put a lot of drugs in one company, and what you find is drug development is really hard because different timelines—some drugs need a lot of resources, some don't. Different mindsets: neurologists think differently than orthopedic docs or oncologists. It creates competing cultures. So we set it up where we have one need—it's dermatology now, we're going to do rare genetic derm. So we have one platform and we're going to put all of our drugs in that company. It's worked really well for us. It's one of the innovations I think we've done better than Big Pharma.
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Audience Member26:17
Part of—you know, it's an important conversation because if you don't incentivize research, like I said, there's 6,000 drug companies, 50 drugs get approved. Who's going to do that? You really have to find investors who are going to put capital that they made into a company and are expecting some return for all the risks they're taking. Most medicines will not get approved; that's just the reality. But the ones that do, you want to make sure you have return for your investors so you can build new companies again, get new drugs approved. Otherwise, those 7,000 diseases will never get treatments.
I'm interested in seeing what your perspective is on artificial intelligence where there's not that many reimbursement pathways, especially related to preventive medicine, because it's looking like CMS especially is not taking any action to make that something that physicians are going to want into them.
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Jeffrey Aronin27:38
You're exactly right. AI can save enormous cost to our system. I'm on the board of a giant credit card company, and we are using AI throughout the organization, saving billions of dollars. Then we look at our healthcare system—because we're so regulated, we're slow. We are not incorporating AI into our healthcare system the way we should be. You should walk into your doctor's office, say all your symptoms, and it should come up with a list of potential diagnoses. But we're just not there yet. We are evolving to get there. We're just ahead of the curve. AI will get there, and I think in the next few years it's going to change the entire healthcare system. But you're right, the risk is are you too far ahead of the curve? But I think it's a great place to be involved today. We even have two companies in AI right now.
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Audience Member28:56
Yeah.
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Jeffrey Aronin29:02
That's a great question, great point. We have done that. We recognize developing drugs is a portion of what we do, but we are using—we have companies in AI diagnosis, radiology diagnosis. Right now radiologists are reading images, and there are too many images for them to read. There are a lot of false positives, a lot of problems. AI can do this very well. We got the first AI diagnosis approved for breast cancer, which was a very—it's a really good company, really successful because previously the process was not very good. I think this is going to be throughout life sciences. Yes, it's an exciting area.
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Audience Member30:10
You know, I don't think that's the case, but I think we have a lot more support from AI so doctors and nurses can do a lot more. They're being overworked. Now MRIs—instead of reading one image, they're getting hundreds every time you go through an MRI. They're getting so many images, it's much harder for them. AI will now be able to do a lot of this work in conjunction with the doctor, and that's where it's going. It's going there fast. It's like we're talking about it, but it's several years away, not decades away. Those technologies are already being developed.
They can read the bag and leave the stand.
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Jeffrey Aronin31:13
Yeah, that's a great point. I do think one of the observations has been by a lot of university hospitals: a lot of training is spent right now on technical observations that can be done by machine learning or AI. If we can eliminate a lot of those technical observations—and we know how hard doctors are worked, how much time they're putting in—this will allow them to free up time to learn more about the patient and what's going on. I think that's where the training of medical centers is going as well.
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Audience Member32:09
How do you think here?
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Jeffrey Aronin32:14
That's a great question. I think a lot of today is about understanding all the different divisions. When we look at a product or an opportunity, we say: first, what's the need? Is there a real need? Does this technology work? Does the science act? Do we think it's going to work? Then you guys say: can we make it? And then you have to be able to recruit the people to do it. It's kind of putting all these pieces together. Having a basis in science helps you through a lot of those elements. Your background may be in business, so that will help you in other elements, or your background may be in psychology so you can work with employees. Understanding having a good base will make you better or weaker in one of those categories, and you can learn the rest. But today, I think understanding the overall and then hiring really great people to help you in the specific areas is what has worked well for me. I certainly don't know any of those areas well enough to do it myself. It's kind of the broad view that's helped me.
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Audience Member33:44
There's more risk before day one. So how do you navigate?
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Jeffrey Aronin33:52
It's a good point. Look, we view the future as really exciting because I've watched us go from small molecules to large molecules to antibodies to now gene therapies to now AI-developed enzymes and other areas. Just think about that evolution in 20 years. It's unbelievable, and it's going even faster. We've always tried to get out ahead of it. If we didn't get into AI now, it's too late if you try to start in ten years or five years. Gene therapy—we have a company that has one of the three gene therapies approved. There are only three gene therapies approved, and we have gene therapy manufacturing, which is the hardest part. Getting ahead of it and being able to do that today gives us a platform to build off of. I think that's important: if you're going to think about your careers, try to specialize, understand the broader picture, but really get to be good at one of these areas.
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Audience Member35:20
So going up the question, see how much divides new payment models around rare diseases. How do you see the continued involvement of the public sector, especially in the way that so—
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Jeffrey Aronin35:41
That's always evolving. We sell drugs throughout the world, so the models are evolving throughout the world. Our focus has always been at Paragon—because remember, we start independent companies that end up commercializing and running it themselves. At Paragon, our goal has always been to innovate products that there's a high need for. If we do that well, everything else kind of takes care of itself because there's a real need. You're solving something that has a lot of costs to the system. If we can reduce cost—think about 30 years ago, you guys won't even know this. If people had an ulcer 30 years ago, they would take five days off work, be in the hospital for five days. The cost to the system was huge. Now you take a medicine and you don't have that issue. Think about how much time and money that saved the system. What we're trying to do is solve big problems. As the different payer systems all evolve, that will work out for itself. That's kind of our view.
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Audience Member37:23
Why hope you're successful? Glioblastoma is one we've tried, and it's very hard, and there's nothing right now. By staying very focused, first of all we start with the problem. We will often use our own labs, but sometimes we go to university labs. We'll come here to Emory and say, 'We read a paper you wrote that you're doing this. We want to try to apply it here,' and we'll partner with Emory and advance that science to get it approved. Sometimes we don't start from ground zero. That's been a big solution. The other is creating these independent companies that are really focused on just that area—just neurology, just that. That helps because we'll know the FDA division, how they think, and that helps a lot instead of trying to do everything under one umbrella.
Okay, I understand about what Paragon is doing, but if everybody who wants to work—
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Jeffrey Aronin38:50
First of all, legal is such an important area of what we do for multiple reasons. IP—the IP lawyers are critical to our success. We really need that; otherwise, you're going to spend—it's a billion dollars to develop a drug today, maybe actually more statistically. You need to know you have IP that's going to get you through. A lot of our regulatory divisions—I think that's what you're talking about—working on it is such an important area because understanding how to work through all the hurdles of the FDA is very important. And yes, every—I think we're in a—the advancing science, developing medicine, and just being in business, there are areas where you get a lot of accolades and some areas where you get—I don't know if criticisms are right, but questions around why are you doing it this way. So communicating is very important.
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Audience Member40:00
Or when your routine university-sponsored innovation, I don't think you're perceiving cancer all the time. So how do you deal with the licensing if you do so?
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Jeffrey Aronin40:13
I think this is an area that is evolving, and there's a great area for people to go into: this whole tech transfer. Understanding—it used to be that universities were often white paper researchers doing basic research, pure, and you were doing God's work. But developing something to be commercialized looked dirty, like if you got paid for it, that was bad. That's the old model. Now people realize—even University of Chicago, Emory, all these great—Stanford develops and innovates more IP, Caltech. It's become where you want to see your science advanced, and these researchers are becoming entrepreneurs. They partner with business school students, create companies, and produce new technologies that get approved all the time. That IP—you want the university to do very well because you want it, but you want to incentivize the researchers to develop technology, develop research not just for 10 years but to actually get to market to help patients and help society. That's really changed. Now the best universities in the world are investing very heavily in producing more, getting more of their IP not just producing patents but actually getting them to market.
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Audience Member42:27
Right, well I think you hit on the right tone: it's not just about producing medicine, it's not just about affordability, it's about accessibility. If everybody has access, that's really what we want, at a point that we can actually afford as a healthcare system. If you look at the cost of drugs in America, about 12% of all cost—it's really the hospital portion that's the largest. I think all these areas are important. I think we don't have a healthcare system today as much as we have healthcare. We need to really look at all the pieces holistically, and that's hard to do. It's a very hard, complex area. A quarter of our government dollars go into healthcare—25%, it's a big number. So we need to ultimately look at all the pieces. New innovations, I think, are the solution. The way you really save and advance healthcare, help people live longer, less expensively, is to innovate new ideas that save cost. Instead of just looking at small little pieces, you've got to look at the whole picture. That's my belief, and I think we're starting to do that more and more.
Recovery out—this is ornament touched on a little bit, but regarding the frankly surprising statistic of only 50 different drugs being approved by the FDA every year, it's inevitable that there's going to be a very pertinent competition between all these different pharmaceutical companies vying to get their products approved. I was wondering whether you believed Paragon's greatest strength in regards to that competition is your willingness to invest in riskier startups, or just generally more rational and practical business practices, or whether you believe your ideology as far as addressing the needs of those larger companies is the greatest source.
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Jeffrey Aronin44:50
Yeah, I think it's kind of the entrepreneurial mindset. Big companies are forced to innovate incrementally and do a lot of the same thing—heart disease, let's all focus on heart disease drugs. It's important, but do you really need multiple drugs in the same category incrementally better? No. We were able to find areas of high unmet need because we don't have the giant infrastructure quite as big as they do. I don't think they need it because they do, but that forces them—if it's not a multi-billion dollar drug, they won't even start the research. We will. I think big companies in general are great at certain areas: distribution, best practices. I tell people work at a big company for a while; it's really valuable. But they're not able to innovate in any industry the way entrepreneurial companies can.
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Audience Member46:21
So developing AI today is as computers get faster and more—we're talking about quantum computing now. All these areas are allowing us to produce AI at a cheaper cost; the cost keeps going down. That's allowed us to get to the point where it's faster, more effective. It's because of the advances we're making in the computer area, the technology area, that's allowing us to do AI. Then it's because we were sequencing the genome, because of some of that, which is allowing us to do advanced gene therapies and understand things we never understood before. Combining these areas is really exciting. I think costs are coming down for all these areas. When you do drug development, you have to have a placebo, so statistically you have to have a lot of patients because of the placebo effect. When you use gene therapy, you don't have to have a placebo; you've just used the gene therapy, so you can use a lot fewer patients, and it's a lot less expensive.
When you're looking for new companies to invest in, what's the process for screening ideas? You're investing in our salary, so how do you do it? Investing millions of dollars into—it's hard. No process is perfect, but what we do is we have a group of people who do enormous amounts of research around all those areas. First, what's the need? Is there really a need? Interview doctors, interview patients, interview—what's the patient journey look like? How does it fit? Interview payers. One thing people forget is our payer system is actually very sophisticated. Payers understand what they will pay for and what they won't before you start developing it. Understanding: can you make it? You don't know how many technologies are out there that would be great, but you just can't manufacture it; it's too hard, too early. We look at all the different components before we really start to invest heavily. That early work is critical. That's why life sciences are different than any other area. I joke that you could start a tech company in Starbucks with a computer and be 18 years old. But to start a life science company, you usually need PhDs, MDs, statisticians, IP attorneys. It's a much broader group. But you can do some of that work early on just doing research.
Yeah, it's a great—antibiotics market needs to be really addressed. There used to be more antibiotics developed, but what happened was the FDA made some changes, and then the users made changes. If I was about to invest in developing an antibiotic—long process, expensive, hard—you get it approved, and the hospital systems could say, 'We're going to put this on reserve,' meaning we're not going to use it until there's an emergency unless it's very serious. So you don't sell any. Drug companies stopped developing antibiotics. Now we're in a scary place. If you go to infectious disease conferences, you really want to be scared; it's the scariest, you won't sleep at night. We really have to reinvent—it's good for hospitals, payers, and government to all look at what's going on. Antibiotics should be an area where we have a lot more development.
So I think there needs to be—these are all important areas, and they all need to be developed. We need to look at where the research is and apply it to each of these problems. A lot of these challenges are already being developed in labs and just need to be applied correctly. This terrible virus going on in China that is now coming to the US—I believe in labs today we're already developing things that can be applied; we just have to apply it.
Treatment of weight of operating—
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Jeffrey Aronin52:48
I think, and I'm not alone in thinking this, that in the next ten years the majority of drugs approved will be gene therapies. It doesn't mean we won't still develop traditional biotechnology drugs, but there's such an opportunity. We could do so much with these gene therapies that we could never do before, and they could be applied in so many ways. Some are going to be preventative. That's why I'm saying it's a very exciting time.
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Audience Member53:27
You mentioned some of the physical technology and technological limitations. Yes, so I wonder if any of the subsidiaries of Paragon are looking at manifestation of—
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Jeffrey Aronin53:51
It's a great point. Right now the hardest thing about gene therapy is making them. Since we have an FDA-approved facility for making certain gene therapies, we are actually using that manufacturing to help other companies and in-license other products that we can make. So yeah, that's a great point.
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Audience Member54:40
So sometimes you end up with very good pens, sometimes you end up with not-so-good pens. When we develop a medicine, we assume we're never going to have more than ten years just because today generics will find—it's a competitive market. So we try to never assume more than ten years. Gene therapies are different; biologics are 12 years now. They're all different, but it is a critical part of the equation. One thing most people are not even aware of is 50% of drugs developed never make back the money that was the cost to get the drug approved. A big portion of that factor is the patent having enough runway at the end to actually get it approved and then reinvest. It's a very important area that most people don't think enough about. Patent attorneys—three people are really important in drug companies that are overlooked: patent attorneys, IP statisticians—if you power your study wrong, you don't find out for six years and it's a problem—and regulatory attorneys getting the regulatory team to design things and package them correctly.
Hopefully you will meet less drunk if we're more preventive. We know that someone talked about healthcare costs. We already know that diabetes is a large percentage of our out-of-cost care for healthcare. It's one of our biggest costs, and diabetes is in many ways preventable. So certainly the more we can do to be preventative—things are going that way. The problem is our payers switch all the time, so payers aren't incentivized to incentivize people to be more preventative. Once again, it gets to our healthcare system. But I do think that's going to be a future push.
Great. Okay, these are good questions.
Patient adherence to medications—companies, pharma companies to engage in—
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Jeffrey Aronin57:45
Right, well a large percentage of patients don't take their medicine. There are a lot of reasons for it, but most of the time it costs the system more money when they don't take their medicine. We all know what happens when you don't take your antibiotic—you create future problems. This is with many other drugs. People take part of their medicine, forget, stop, which leads to ER visits for certain drugs. Compliance is a big issue. Somebody invent something to improve compliance, maybe AI-related. There have been a lot of things tried; nothing really works great. I'm guilty of it myself.
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So right now, because we're at the beginning of it, gene therapies are traditionally being used for single gene defects—SMA, Huntington, areas where there's just one gene off. But ultimately, think about it: every disease is somehow genetically related. Otherwise, if you had diabetes, not everybody that gains weight ends up having diabetes. So there's a genetic element to everything. It's just figuring out what patterns and what genes for multiple diseases. For today, all we're doing is single gene defects because it's easier; we're at the beginning. Hopefully one day we're going to have a lot more understanding and be able to apply it to more common diseases. Not yet—that'll be up to you guys, and AI will help with that as we understand more, because today it's just too complex.
Oh, one more. This is the third—your three.
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Jeffrey Aronin1:00:58
Right now the ones approved, the main one being talked about for SMA, and there's one for the eye as well, and they are cures. You take it once and you're cured. These are super small—like a thousand people have the disease. So the number is very high, but it's over a few patients. The insurance companies are all paying for it and covering it because it's a cure and because it's a very small group of patients. To their overall treatment, they do the math and say this makes sense for us to cover this. But ultimately, they will come way, way down as the diseases get bigger and bigger, as we're able to treat larger diseases. That's ultimately where it should go. Great question. I'm excited about it as well, and that's where I see things going.
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You share that excitement. But we have to thank Mitchell and Denise Tans, who are our alumni who have very generously donated the funds for this annual event. Otherwise we couldn't have the great honor of having you here. The Burson Lecture is named for the Tans' parents, one of whom was in business and one in medicine. Andrew and I share the pleasure and honor of being able to offer this since our first year in our new Health Innovation concentration. I don't know that everyone here knows that, so excuse me for taking over time, but it's important to honor them. We are very excited with this opportunity for what you just said: this is the future, this is about health. It couldn't be anything more important. For all the ideas you have, if you don't know what to do with it, it doesn't help anybody. All right, so thank you. You've been just wonderful. Yeah, great questions. I enjoyed it.