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Neenu Kainth
Senior Vice President & Chief Customer Experience Officer, ENACT HOLDINGS INC

Inclusion and Diversity with Neenu Sharma

🎥 Sep 17, 2021 📺 GE Digital ⏱ 13m 👁 750 views
GE Digital CEO Pat Byrne talks with GE Digital Dhief Diversity Officer, Neenu Sharma. “At GE Digital, we often talk about the ...
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About Neenu Kainth

In a September 2021 video conversation with GE Digital CEO Pat Byrne, Neenu Sharma, then serving as GE Digital's Chief Diversity Officer, Interim Chief Marketing Officer, and Vice President of Brand and Corporate Communications, discussed her approach to inclusion and diversity. Sharma defined diversity as "having a seat at the table," inclusion as "having a voice," and belonging as "having your voice heard." She argued that much of the work over the previous 20-30 years had focused on "behavioral inclusion," such as understanding personal biases, but that the priority should shift to "structural inclusion," which examines how equitable systems and processes are and how to prevent unconscious bias from occurring. Sharma outlined a framework she called "TEAMS," which includes talent advocacy, engagement and belonging, awareness and transparency, market and ops integration, and standard work. She stated that any initiative not falling within these areas or lacking an ability for structural inclusion was likely not worth pursuing. Sharma described empathy as her "superpower" and said it could be cultivated through asking questions, discovering commonalities, and listening intently while being vulnerable. She also noted that affinity groups, such as the African Affinity Forum, Women's Network, and Hispanic Forum, help build community and trust, and that during the COVID-19 pandemic, people were "craving moments to connect as a community."

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Transcript (15 segments)
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Pat0:04
Hello everyone and welcome to my latest blog video. This video marks my 10th blog post and I'm excited to talk about inclusion and diversity with our chief diversity officer, Ninu Sharma.
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Neenu Kainth0:17
Welcome, Neenu. Thanks, Pat, I'm glad to be here.
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Pat0:20
Well, let's jump right in. For employees to really get to know you, along with your role as the chief diversity officer for GE Digital, you're also the interim chief marketing officer and the vice president of brand and corporate communications. Tell us about those roles.
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Neenu Kainth0:41
Absolutely. So as the acting chief marketing officer, I think about it in three ways: one, you're the chief storyteller for the organization; you're a growth driver; and you're a capability builder. And it's been one of the honors and challenges of my career to really step into that role and help GE Digital as we've been defining who we are as the new GE Digital. And as VP of branding and corporate communications, that's really the responsibility of getting our brand awareness through a host of different channels and audiences: the press, the media, employees, future employees, analysts, customers. And what I think just sort of grounds all of it is a sense of a strong brand purpose, which was one of the most exciting things to be working on as we've brought the new GE Digital to life.
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Pat1:33
Well, Neenu, you and I get to work on this a lot together. You and your team have done a great job with all the work we've done on industrial data being put to work. It's really been quite a year. And this has been one of the headlines. When it came time to add a chief diversity officer to GE Digital, you volunteered enthusiastically at exactly the same time we were really seeking out someone to fill the role. Tell me why this was so important to you.
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Neenu Kainth2:10
Yeah, absolutely. So for me, Pat, it was on three levels: it was very deeply personal, it was a professional reason, and also from a business case point of view. Let me just break down what I mean. Personally, I am someone who has grown up in a family that's really valued diversity, one where my grandfather's number one goal was to educate his five daughters and to make sure all his granddaughters had an amazing education. He came from a small village in India, he educated himself, he became part of the Indian National Congress and really moved towards independence for India, and just believed how education drives things forward. And then throughout my life, I just found myself attracted to things around inclusion and belonging. I went to an all-women's college, I went to Barnard College. At Columbia Business School, I led the Columbia Women in Business network. When I first joined GE, I was very active in PATH, which I know you have a prominent role in today. And all these things have really shaped and fostered for me a sense of engagement and belonging. We'll talk more about that. And then professionally, who doesn't want to work at a company where inclusion and diversity is at the core of it? It's what builds deep trust and commitment across teams. And then finally, I personally believe in the business case of inclusion and diversity, which is increased productivity, increased creativity, and that leads to the innovation that we can be proud of.
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Pat3:56
Well, that's great. You and I talked about your grandfather, a remarkable story. You've given some real thought into short and long-term priorities and what difference we can make. Can you share some of your current perspective?
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Neenu Kainth4:17
Yeah, so when you gave the charter and Larry sort of laid out his expectations of CDOs, a word that you both used was sustainable change around diversity. And so as I stepped into the role in those early months, working with the other CDOs across the company, there were kind of three things that really came to mind. One was, what was it that stopped GE, which used to always be sort of at the front of inclusion and diversity, from making the progress that we wanted to see? What was getting in our way? Two, where do we want to use as a north star to really guide us in our efforts? And three, how are we going to do that? How do we make it something that is sustainable? And so as I reflected on those thoughts, there are kind of two things that came to the forefront. One was this notion of belonging. So much of the research that I read when it comes to diverse populations within companies, you have to dig deeper into engagement and this idea of belonging. One way I describe it is diversity is having a seat at the table, inclusion is having a voice, and belonging is having your voice heard. So how do we really make sure our teams globally, no matter what their identity is, they really feel that strong sense of belonging? So using that as a north star, the next piece was the research really pointed to so much work in the past 20, 30 years has been around behavioral inclusion, so making people on a journey of self-discovery, understanding their biases that hamper their own decision making. But really what we have to tackle is structural inclusion. How equitable are our systems and processes? How do we prevent unconscious bias from even occurring in the first place? And so for me, I've really taken that to heart, and what I use as a framework to really guide the work at GE Digital is this new framework I'm calling TEAMS. TEAMS has talent advocacy at its core, engagement and belonging, awareness and transparency, market and ops integration, and standard work. And so anything that we really tackle, if it doesn't fall within those five areas or have an ability for structural inclusion, it's probably not where we want to spend our time today.
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Pat7:05
Well, you're really talking about a deeper set of topics here. Belonging is really a deeper topic, these structural issues are deeper topics, and that takes some digging. And we recently formed some affinity groups. Tell me how the affinity groups—we've got the African Affinity Forum, we have the Women's Network, the Hispanic Forum—how do these forums help us build the organization? So we were really able to engage on this north star of belonging, as you said.
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Neenu Kainth7:46
Yeah, so in the TEAMS framework, the E is engagement and belonging, and that's about fostering that sense of community and that sense of trust among our teams. And that's what I've been so excited and proud of the leaders of our different affinity networks, because as they've kind of taken their charge forward, I haven't had to go to them and say, 'Hey, we really need to be thinking about belonging.' They've done their own gemba to really understand what are the needs of the folks that are participating in those networks today. And in many of those networks, it's not just individuals who may identify with an affinity with Africa or an affinity with Hispanic or women; it's really about a larger movement towards how do I really just connect with other people and understand and learn from that. And so as they've been doing surveys, hosting roundtables, doing some of their early events, what that work is showing them is we're craving, especially in these COVID times, these moments to connect as a community. And as we're kind of establishing some programming around that to address that, we're really getting at the core of belonging. And so Pat, I'd love to ask you, I know you're involved with APAF, which they have rebranded as the Asia Pacific Allies and Friends group. What do you look forward to as an executive sponsor of that group with Linda both?
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Pat9:31
It's a great opportunity. Linda and I, boy, it's such high energy this group. And in some ways, it's really showing up and learning and engaging. I'm looking forward to that. It's an exciting group and a lot of good ideas. I think there's a real opportunity to open doors and figure out what we can be doing as executive sponsors to help accelerate progress for the team as they think about that community, the community they're working to build, the opportunities to develop as individuals and as a group. I'm looking forward to hopefully opening some of those doors, supporting them in accelerating progress in the organization, and at the same time learning and engaging because it's so motivational to be with the team.
Let me ask you maybe one final question. I ask this on every one of my blogs about the superpower. So Neenu, I get to work with you all the time, but explain your superpower. You know very well what that is, since you and your team really did put the whole user conference together around superpowers. So what's your superpower?
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Neenu Kainth10:56
Great. I don't know if I want to surprise you or not, but my superpower is empathy. And that's really sharing and understanding the feelings of others. And I really believe strongly that you can cultivate empathy. I think it's what makes me a good communicator, a good marketer, and a good CDO. And just some ideas for the team as you think about that: one thing is I'm very curious about people. I think that everyone else is more interesting than myself, so it's just about asking more questions and really understanding what motivates you, where do you come from, how do you think about what's happening at work in the world around you. And I think if you just sort of put those questions with people first, that's one practice of really building empathy. The other thing is then using that to discover commonalities, how do we make more connections with each other, especially in COVID times we all are feeling very similar challenges in a way, even as our worlds are so different from each other. And then finally, it's just listening really hard, being present in a conversation, and making your own self vulnerable as you're listening and sharing back to really connect with people. So for me, it's empathy, and I think that's what my teams would tell you as well.
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Pat12:25
Well, I've certainly experienced that as well getting to work with you. Thank you so much for spending time on this such an important topic, and really something we're all learning and doing together as we're on this journey. Thanks so much for your leadership across GE Digital and across the company.
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Neenu Kainth12:48
Thanks, Pat. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks everybody for joining. And as always, we're looking for feedback and look forward to seeing you next time. Thanks for spending time with us today.