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Suneel Gupta
Executive Vice President of Clinical Development, PROTAGONIST THERAPEUTICS INC

MedImpact: Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Suneel Gupta Keynote Speech | Worldwide Speakers Group

🎥 Jan 23, 2017 📺 Worldwide Speakers Group ⏱ 59m 👁 9590 views
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About Suneel Gupta

Suneel Gupta, Executive Vice President of Clinical Development at Protagonist Therapeutics, has spoken about challenges in the U.S. healthcare system MendImpact: Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Suneel Gupta Keynote Speech | Worldwide Speakers Group. He stated that "the patient experience for most patients in the United States is not ideal" and that "we spend a lot of money in this country and don't get as much in return as we probably should." Gupta said that "the vast majority of our healthcare expenditure and the vast majority of our chronic illness is preventable" and argued for a model that delivers "the right people the right medicines at the right time for the right price." He also said that "mental health just in general does not get enough attention" and that "innovation with real purpose will probably drive down costs." In earlier remarks, Gupta discussed entrepreneurship and product development. He said that "conditions will never be perfect so start now" and that "if there's something inside you—an idea or vision—you don't have to wait for someday to do it." He cited examples such as the Wright Brothers and Twitter's early prototype to illustrate the importance of taking the first step and persisting despite rejection.

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Transcript (16 segments)
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Host0:05
Wow, we're having a St. Patty's Day party last night. You sure did get up early this morning. I hope you had a good time somebody said yeah out there. So I'd like to congratulate our VIP winners this morning who are sitting in the front seats so that you'll be very close to our keynote speakers, and I want to thank everyone who participated in the play, share, win game. I have to say that in the five years that I have been with MetImpact and being the MC for this event, this is the first time on Friday morning we have had a full crowd, so I have to say it must be because of our outstanding keynote speakers this morning. And with that, I'd like to introduce entrepreneur and product leader Sunil Gupta, who was named the new face of innovation by the New York Stock Exchange. While at Groupon, he helped grow the business from millions in revenue to billions in revenue and from small startup to large public company. During Sunil's time as VP of Product Development, Forbes magazine named Groupon the fastest growing company of all time. Sunil then founded Rise, a fast-growing mobile service which was named Best New App by Apple. As CEO of Rise, Sunil raised funding from Google Ventures and was backed by senior leaders at Facebook, Uber, and Airbnb. Just two years after launch, One Medical acquired Rise for nearly $20 million. Sunil has been heralded as a visionary product leader and featured by the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Vanity Fair, CNBC, and the Today Show. Though he won't always admit it, Sunil is also an attorney and is licensed to practice in California and in front of the United States Supreme Court. Prior to law school, he served in President Clinton's West Wing during the same time as his older brother, Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is the multiple Emmy Award-winning chief medical correspondent for CNN, a practicing neurosurgeon. He plays an integral role in CNN's reporting on health and medical news for New Day, Anderson Cooper 360, CNN documentaries, and as anchor of the weekend medical affairs program, Sanjay Gupta MD. Dr. Gupta's medical training and public health policy experience distinguish his reporting on a range of medical and scientific topics, including brain injury, disaster recovery, healthcare reform, fitness, military medicine, HIV/AIDS, and other areas. Welcome Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Mr. Sunil Gupta.
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Suneel Gupta3:00
I got to say, you sound really impressive. Yeah, most of that is actually made up. I cannot believe how many people are here the morning after St. Patty's Day without mimosas in your hand. This is great though. This is probably the first time we've ever done this, so you're going to have to bear with us a little bit. It's awkward already. It already feels we're going to learn things about each other in front of a live audience we didn't, and it's just slightly more awkward. Our parents are actually here in the audience. We weren't nervous at all except for the fact that our parents are here, and to top it all off, I'm going to make you applaud one more time. Yesterday, actually two days ago now, they celebrated their 48th anniversary. You know, it's funny because I think a lot of people obviously know them, having been married for a long time and having kids and four grandkids who are all here as well, but not many people know about how this all actually started. How they met. Can we tell the story? Yes? To see over the iPad, but you know, my parents, they're both immigrants, and I think the immigrant story is probably a story that a lot of us share in this room one way or another. My mom was living in Oklahoma going to school there, and this is the mid-1960s. She wore a sari every day to school, which I thought was remarkable because I think in Oklahoma today they still don't wear saris, so mid-1960s pretty remarkable. But she finished her degree in engineering and decided that she was going to go to a place where the jobs were, which was Michigan. She wanted to be an engineer. So she's driving across the state towards Dearborn, Michigan, on her way to becoming the first woman engineer hired at the Ford Motor Company, which was pretty remarkable in and of itself. But ironically, her car breaks down. Future first woman engineer's car breaks down. So again, it's the mid-1960s, your car breaks down, you're an immigrant from the other side of the world, it's a bit daunting, and you don't have any friends, you don't have much money, you just have a broken-down car. So what do you do? She decides to go to the phone booth because they had phone booths back then, and she tries to find any Indian-sounding name. You go back to your roots. So she finds a name, and what was it? Was it Patel? I think Patel is a pretty common name, so I think that's... the way I tell the story it's Ungerwall because it starts with a U, but you know, it could have been Patel, maybe Shaw, you can interchange. None of that matters though, because the person she was trying to call was not home, did not answer, but the guy's roommate answered the phone, who is our father. So the fact that Sanjay and I are here at all is a total fluke. Total fluke. Mr. Patel was out on the town, but my dad was also an engineer. And it's funny because we went back a couple of years ago because I wanted to see the exact spot where this happened, where the phone booth was. It's no longer there, and my dad added a part to the story which I did not know, maybe you don't know this either. From where my mom was, she calls and he answers the phone and she says, "My car is broken down." He asks where she is, and it turns out where she was was a place that he could actually see from his 13th floor apartment down. So he kind of looked down there and said, "Yeah, yeah, I'll be down there. I'll come help you." She was driving a '64 Nova, red. Somehow that's the first detail my dad still gives me on the story. I said, "What about the woman who was driving it?" No, it was a '64 Nova. Love that car. Well, we should start from the beginning. Here's what I'm thinking for this time. There's a lot of information out on Google about you and a lot of things that people can read, so why don't we talk a little bit about things that aren't easily discoverable and searchable on Google? How does that sound?
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Sanjay Gupta8:02
Yeah, let's start near the beginning then. Let's talk about why you decided to become a doctor. Well, it's interesting. I think people have all sorts of different reasons for pursuing whatever they pursue, and sometimes as we just heard, it can just be serendipitous. I didn't come from a medical family. I think a lot of people who go into medicine do it because they're exposed to medicine through their family in some way. For me, I think a lot of it had to do with when my mom's father got sick and he was in the hospital. That had a profound impact on me. I was very close to him, I ended up spending time with him in the hospital. He had had a stroke, and I was 12 or 13 years old, pretty young at the time, and I remember thinking that the doctors who were caring for him were just these really remarkable people. I'd ask them these questions and they would take time to answer my questions, and it sort of dawned on me for the first time that there was a profession where that was what you did. You essentially trained to be able to take care of other people. I never really understood that as a concept for a job or a calling or a career or whatever. I think that's where it really started. So it started pretty young for me, and then I went through various iterations of what sort of medicine I wanted to practice specifically, but I think that was really the moment where I thought this could be something that I could do for the rest of my life.
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Suneel Gupta9:33
It's interesting because you talk about family a lot in the reporting that you do. You wrote a blog post recently, if people haven't checked it out it's a really good one, probably the most personal I've seen you get in a blog post, and you get pretty personal sometimes and you can bring your story into it. It was called "When Your Patients Are Your Family." You published it on Medium, and one of the lines that stuck out to me is that you talked about our family history and one of the things you said in there is, quote, "A doctor can change your life, but not the way that you live."
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Sanjay Gupta10:07
Yeah, I was really sort of struck by that. I think because of you and because of my parents, I think that we as doctors, it's sort of a holy grail sometimes to think that we can change our patients' behaviors. And I think in part due to a lot of the work probably from some of the people in this room, we're making greater strides toward that, but it's a challenging thing to do, to change people's behaviors, even if they're your own family. Sometimes it's harder with your own family because they don't always listen to you as a medical person, they're still looking at you as a relative and may or may not take your advice. But Sunil, when he was quite young — we're 10 years apart in age — when he was pretty young, he did not take good care of himself. He overate a lot. It's hard to believe now when you look at him because he's such a healthy guy and so svelte, but he was very overweight. He talks about this openly, to the point of obesity.
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Suneel Gupta11:21
I like Twinkies. Hostess would have gone out of business about 10 years earlier had it not been for me. I was keeping him alive.
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Sanjay Gupta11:32
But I came home and it was interesting because I was training in neurosurgery and taking care of patients, and I was at home one day and I realized how things had gotten completely out of control within my own family. I remember I was sitting at the kitchen table once, and my mom would buy some of these Hostess treats but put them on the highest shelf in the pantry closet because he was only six or seven years old at the time, so he couldn't reach them. And still, I still can't reach. And I watched him — he didn't know I was watching him — but I watched him as he literally stacked two stepping stools, one on top of the other, reached up there, grabbed two packages of Hostess CupCakes, ate them both while still precariously balancing himself, threw the wrappers back up there, and came back down.
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Suneel Gupta12:28
I'm glad we're going into such detail about this.
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Sanjay Gupta12:34
There was a lot of detail. It was a little shocking and it was a little heartbreaking as well, and I realized that part of why he was doing it, part of the reason a lot of people do it, was not because he necessarily needed to eat four Hostess CupCakes within 10 seconds, but it was a comfort measure for him in some way. There were other things going on in his life that were probably driving this, and no one really had paid attention to that for him. I think so. I remember for some time I thought about this, and then I started replacing the food up there without you sort of knowing it, replacing it with healthier food. And then I watched you do the same thing again with the balancing of the stools and the reaching up there, and then you kind of looked at it and you're like, "Huh, I don't care if you know, eat it anyways." But now you're eating healthier food, and it was a simple sort of change in your environment that I think led to some good things. I won't take full credit.
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Suneel Gupta13:30
I think it's funny because you're watching this from a distance and it almost seems like a lab experiment, you know, what will happen if I replace this Twinkie with what's the reaction, oh interesting, taking notes. This is the development of young Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
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Sanjay Gupta13:50
So that was actually not my first experiment when I was up. That's right, nobody ring a bell in here, no bells.
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Suneel Gupta13:57
One of the things that always strikes me about some of the articles and some of the things you share is that often times people get the care that they need, and oftentimes people in this room are involved with that care, but sometimes it happens at a moment that is unfortunate, that there's a trigger that they need to get to in order for that care to sort of set in. So part of what you do, I think, is to have a conversation with people before that moment.
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Sanjay Gupta14:31
Yeah, but that's a really hard conversation to have. People don't want to pay attention to things unless they're literally hit right in the face with whatever is happening. So to get people to imagine what the future might be like is a lot of what I think we have to do as doctors, but also I think as journalists, we want to tell these stories but we want to make sure that people actually pay attention to them even before it happens so it has more relevance. But it's challenging. When you think about medical messaging overall, it's not a particularly inspiring message. If you take the idea of prevention, which is what a lot of the discussion has been around with regard to healthcare moving forward, with regard to lowering costs moving forward, you're basically trying to do something that is nearly impossible to do, which is to say to someone, "If you do these things, if you eat right, if you exercise, then nothing will happen to you." You're trying to get them to prove a negative. It's a really challenging thing to do. Then if someone stays healthy, they say, "Well, how do I know that it was the exercise and the good nutrition or maybe I'm just a healthier person?" It's hard. Which is why I think a lot of the messaging has to be more inspirational and aspirational. So if the message instead says, "We're not going to just prevent disease, we're going to make you better than you thought you could be. We're going to optimize you in some way. We're going to make you happier, more productive, more joyous. We're going to make you the best that you can possibly be." So this notion of diagnosing and treating disease on one end, preventing disease sort of in the middle, and then optimization on the third tier, I think is a really healthy way of looking at things. We focus a lot on optimization. If a patient feels like they are being optimized in some way, they're much more likely to carry through on whatever is being told to them. From a television and journalism standpoint, they're much more likely to listen as well and pay attention to these messages.
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Suneel Gupta16:50
Yeah, it's a conversation shifter. I think for me, probably one of the coolest moments I've had with regard to you doing the CNN stuff is I'm walking through Manhattan with my friends and all of a sudden we turn the corner and there's this monster billboard of you in Times Square. It's a pretty cool moment for a little brother. That's my big brother now. I think about this in a couple of different ways. Number one, it's just cool for me, but two, this is health, this is a conversation that I think 15, 20 years ago wasn't very sexy, and now it's on a billboard in Times Square. You've made a conversation, you've opened up a conversation with people about matters that previously weren't being discussed at least in a mainstream sort of way. At the same time, you have a lot of people on the healthcare side in the industry that are trying to have that type of conversation with patients directly. We're shifting now from a pure B2B space to something that's either direct to consumer or B2B2C, which means that ultimately we need to resonate directly with the patient. What have you learned?
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Sanjay Gupta18:15
Well, I will tell you that I think there's always been a tremendous interest in health. I think that people haven't always been sure where to get their health knowledge, and I use the word knowledge differently than the word information. Information has been out there for a long time, it's plentiful. The problem is you're not always sure what you can trust, you're not always sure if the sources that you're getting it from are good sources. So knowledge is different. Knowledge is information that has been vetted in some way, that's been made more accessible for you, more usable for the consumer. And I think knowledge is what we really strive for in both these areas, both media and medicine. I'll also say that I think globalization has made a big impact on health overall. When I tell people that there are countries around the world where people are living longer lives, healthier, happier, all of that, and they're doing it more cheaply than they are here in the United States, that is something that people want to know about. It's not about maligning a particular healthcare system or anything like that. It's about saying, "What can we learn from these other places around the world?" I think part of what we've done is go around the world and see these places, embed in them, really understand how they work, and then bring back some of the most relevant messages to the United States. I think that makes a difference. But I think this idea that ultimately, like when I go cover a war — I've covered a lot of wars, every war since I've been at CNN for 14, 15 years — I've covered a lot of natural disasters. When I'm covering an earthquake in Nepal in Kathmandu, there may be a lot of people who cannot identify where that is on a map, but they do identify with the fact that people have been injured, people need help, and there are people out there who are risking their lives to help other people, people who would put their own lives potentially in peril to save somebody else. I think that is one of the most intimate stories of mankind, that we would do something for somebody else, a stranger in these cases, even if it meant that we might lose our own lives. So those stories tend to make a difference as well. It's not squarely about your health, but it is about our health as a society, as a species. So in combination, it ends up being really powerful for our audience here in the United States but also for our audience all over the world.
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Suneel Gupta20:54
Let's take a moment here and talk about the absurdity. By the way, can I just say something? You're really good at this. You're kind of like Oprah, you know that? I'm now going to flash a picture of Sanjay as a toddler and he's going to cry. People get nervous speaking in front. Public speaking is people's number one fear, did you know that?