About Gadi Mazor
In a 2022 Forbes interview, BioCatch CEO Gadi Mazor discussed the company's use of behavioral biometrics to detect fraud. Mazor stated that BioCatch analyzes how users interact with devices—such as mouse movements, typing patterns, and how they hold a phone—to create a behavioral profile. He said this allows the company to tell a bank whether the person on the other side of the screen is the genuine account holder or a fraudster who has taken over the account. Mazor noted that 25 of the top 100 banks are BioCatch customers and that the company is growing 50% a year.
Mazor also described the evolution of fraud, stating that attackers have shifted to targeting end users through scams and social engineering. He cited a 2019 example in the UK where callers posing as a service provider and a bank tricked an older person into transferring their life savings. Regarding technology, Mazor said deep neural networks represent a major advancement but noted that they are a "black box." He argued that the industry needs to combine deep neural nets with more explainable machine learning models so that banks can understand why a session is flagged as risky, to avoid discrimination. Mazor also reflected on his service in Israel's Unit 8200, describing its training as "without indoctrination" and saying it taught recruits to tackle major challenges, which he credited with leading many alumni to start companies.
Source: AI-verified profile updated from Gadi Mazor's recent appearances.
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Transcript (16 segments)
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Interviewer0:11
And let's just start off telling me about what you know, tell me about the 8200, what it is and how it led you to become a great entrepreneur.
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Gadi Mazor0:21
8200 is one of the largest units in the army. The equivalent is probably just like the US NSA, but unlike the US NSA, it's not a professional service. It's basically kids at the end of the age of 18 that get recruited, get tested, go through all kinds of screening when they are 17 or 18. They get to those units. They usually serve not the mandatory three years but five years in very specific units within that large unit.
Without even knowing that they can succeed. And that's the type of training that I think then led many of the alumni to start their own companies and basically not be afraid of big challenges after the unit.
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Interviewer1:24
And after you left the service, what was your path to becoming a founder CEO?
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Gadi Mazor1:28
So I left the service when I was just finishing my master's. My master's were in mathematics, and I was considering—I was actually going to Stanford, MIT, and Harvard to look at where I wanted to do a PhD. Then a friend of mine and I thought about an issue that would be nice to solve, and we started the company. It was the early 90s. The first issue was a big industry back then, but it didn't work. I said it would be cool to solve that, and that kind of diverted the PhD and academia towards starting a company.
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Interviewer2:20
I know, tell me about the latest with BioCatch. You go from fax machines 20 years ago plus into cutting-edge cybersecurity and mobile and you name it. Tell me about what you guys are doing and what's exciting.
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Gadi Mazor2:34
So I am not one of the founders of BioCatch. I knew the founders. They came to me when I was one of the founders—it gets complicated. I was one of the founders of an investment platform called OurCrowd. OurCrowd is a leading global investment platform for accredited investors. So it's going back to the community, the 8200 keeps on paying off. The gift that keeps giving. And then I kept in contact with the company. We actually put someone on the board on our behalf who then became the chairman. In 2008, he became the CEO. He asked me to join as the guy managing here, and then I replaced him three and a half years ago.
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Interviewer3:37
Gotcha. Okay, so three and a half years later, nine months ago I see. And so what do you—there's so much cyber going right now, there's so many threats. What are you tackling right now? We talked about 8200, learn about extreme focus, focus on one thing and do it really well. What is BioCatch focusing on?
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Gadi Mazor3:54
So we are in the field of security and cyber, but we're not a traditional security company. We look at the way you interact as a user with your bank account, either through a mobile device or through the desktop, through the website. By the way you move the mouse, by the way you type, by the way you hold the device, the angle, etc., we create a behavioral profile for you. That doesn't look at what you do, doesn't look at anything that you actually type, just the dynamics. And we can tell the bank whether the person on the other side of the screen is a genuine person—that it's indeed Steve and the behavior is similar to your previous sessions—or it's fraudsters that took over your account. We protect the whole lifecycle of the customers. Account takeover is what I just said, and that's when we protect against someone stealing your credentials. But we even look at new account origination. We can still, by the way you interact, think about how you type your social security number. If it's your own social security number, you'll type it continuously from long-term memory. If someone stole your credential, they would either paste that social security number or type it in a very chunky way. So those are the signals—we have thousands of those signals that we look at to give our customers, the banks, a way to protect their customers.
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Interviewer5:33
And you said the way someone holds their phone and everything as well. We all have our preference of what hand and the angle and how much pressure we put when we click, and do we swipe with both fingers or so. All this becomes your behavioral profile. Well, you know it's me because every time I open my banking account I swear, so they can tell if they're not cursing that it's definitely not me.
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Gadi Mazor6:11
Basically still protecting. But if you think about the landscape of fraud as it evolves, look at the last few years. Fraudsters used to use tools—they would remote access your desktop or use malware. The defenses that the industry put in place are quite good at detecting those types of tools. It's relatively hard to do malware attacks. Basically, fraud went back to attacking the end user, the weakest link. So you see more and more scams, more social engineering. In the UK, pre-pandemic year 2020, every month there was a new scam. People calling up pretending to be the bank: 'Give me your card, you've been hacked.' In the UK in 2019, that became a pandemic. Usually, the way it goes is someone would get a call, usually a vulnerable person, an older person, and would say, 'I'm calling from Sky, the cable network, and you owe us eight pounds.' They would give their debit card, pay the eight pounds, and five minutes later they'd get another call saying, 'We're calling from Barclays.' Assuming they know who the bank account of that user is, so 'We're calling from Barclays. We just stopped a fraudulent transaction. That was for eight pounds. But because you gave your debit card and that debit card is connected to your bank account, we open a new account for you. Let us guide you through transferring all your money to that account.' Within 45 to 50 minutes, they clear the whole life savings of the person. That's not normal behavior. Someone is dictating and telling them what to do. So that's a very sophisticated and cruel con.
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Interviewer8:19
It's smart actually, and it's all because of AI and computers. It's fascinating.
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Gadi Mazor8:24
I think it's a unique combination. The company, on the one hand, is a big business, a real business. We're growing 50% a year. We're very targeted on the largest financial institutions. Second is that the technology, as we say, is all AI, all machine learning, deep algorithms. And the third is actually working on the good side, the good guys, protecting people from losing their money.
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Interviewer8:47
One more question in terms of the future of AI. What excites you the most? What would be the biggest game changer, maybe not even in your industry? What is the promise right now?
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Gadi Mazor8:57
I think the combination of the brainpower on the computer side and the big data that can create—neural networks are not a new concept, they started in the 80s, but we didn't have enough resources or enough data back then. They are coming together. Moving forward, it will be these types of algorithms, but in conjunction with algorithms that are looking also at features. Because if you think about what we're doing, it's not enough for us to tell the bank this is risky; we need to tell them why we think this way. Neural networks are not giving good answers of why; it's more of a black box. We need to tell them we think you should not accept this credit application because the user doesn't know the data that they type in. So explainable machine learning models is where the industry will go moving forward.
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Interviewer10:14
Awesome. Thank you so much.