About Shacey Petrovic
Shacey Petrovic, CEO and president of Insulet, has discussed the company's efforts to expand access to its Omnipod insulin delivery system. She stated that Insulet explored the pharmacy channel to make Omnipod more broadly available, eliminating upfront costs so users or payers only pay for pods as they are used. Petrovic also noted that the company rolled out a free 30-day trial program for potential users. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she said Insulet expanded its financial assistance program for customers who lost their jobs and insurance coverage.
Petrovic has described the Omnipod 5 as an automated insulin delivery system that integrates with continuous glucose monitors (CGMs) such as Dexcom's G6 sensor. She stated that the system's algorithm resides in the pod, allowing users to remain in closed-loop control during activities like exercise or showering. Petrovic also said Insulet has partnerships with both Dexcom and Abbott, and that the first generation of Omnipod 5 will launch with Dexcom integration, followed by integration with Abbott's Libre. She emphasized the company's focus on reducing the burden of diabetes management through innovation and integration with consumer technology.
Source: AI-verified profile updated from Shacey Petrovic's recent appearances.
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Tom Salemi0:00
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Hey everyone, this is Tom Salemi. Welcome to the Device Talks Weekly Podcast, episode number 49. That's right, the big 5-0 is coming up and I'm ready for it. I've been there, I've been through it, it's not so bad. Next week is going to be great, but this week is equally great because I had a chance to speak with Shacey Petrovic. She is the CEO and President of Insulet, a local Boston area company north of Boston in Acton, but it's Massachusetts, yay. We had a fantastic conversation about her move into medtech, how she became CEO at the company, and what their strategy is for helping people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes. They have great technologies and work with other companies like Abbott and Dexcom. It's a real medtech success story, so happy to bring you that story. We're also going to have a little preview of a discussion we're going to have on Clubhouse. The discussion on Clubhouse will take place at 11:30 a.m. Eastern, but stay tuned and you'll hear more details coming up. We'll of course have Newmarkers Newsmakers for you, absolutely will. We'll also hear from our two great sponsors, Pack World USA and PSN Labs. Now without any further delay, it's time to bring in Chris Newmarker. Chris Newmarker, happy Friday.
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Chris Newmarker1:59
Happy Friday, Tom. Good to be here, man.
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Tom Salemi2:02
Yeah, we normally do this on Thursday, but to be honest, we got a whole bunch of good news. Well, big news on Friday, some of it good, some of it not so, we wanted to bring the absolute latest to our Device Talks Weekly Podcast listeners.
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Chris Newmarker2:11
Great. It's Friday. You know, it's actually nice doing it on Friday. Always, you know, Friday is... I love my job, but it's always nice to get to a Friday and you're like, hey, I got a good week done and looking forward to the weekend. And hey, it's getting warmer here in Minnesota. That's always good.
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Tom Salemi2:25
Is it getting warmer in Massachusetts?
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Chris Newmarker2:28
It's a delightful day here in Massachusetts, where we have this saying, I don't know if you've ever heard of it: Thank God it's Friday. Have you heard of that one?
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Tom Salemi2:35
You know, I have. I thought that was local.
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Chris Newmarker2:38
That's... yeah, I think there's even a restaurant chain still around that uses that phrase. Is that what that stands for? I would always say, let's go to TGI Fridays, and people would look at me funny.
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Tom Salemi2:50
So all right, who knew? Who knew? What is number five on the Newmarkers Newsmakers list, Chris Newmarker?
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Chris Newmarker2:56
Well, number five on the list, we've got Baxter is going to make Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine right here in the US. They're going to make, USA, USA, they're gonna make 60 to 90 million doses in 2021, that's the plan. And they're going to be making it at the Baxter BioPharma Solutions facilities in Bloomington, Indiana. So yeah, like USA, Hoosiers. President Biden says we will all be vaccinated by July 4th, so I hope this will help toward that.
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Tom Salemi3:29
Man, I hope so. I'm looking forward to a nice big family barbecue at the Newmarker Homestead on July 4th.
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Chris Newmarker3:35
That sounds like a plan to me. And I like this, get the vaccines available to everybody on May Day too. I hope that works out too. So just feeling better every day, Tom. Every day is a little bit better, which is the right direction to go.
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Tom Salemi3:47
Speaking of better, let's move up the ladder to number four. What is number four in the Newmarkers Newsmakers list?
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Chris Newmarker3:55
Number four, you know, Boston Scientific is going to be expanding at Maple Grove, Minnesota campus. For those who don't know, Boston Sci, they're based in your neck of the woods, Tom, but they've got a big presence here in the Twin Cities. Roughly 7,500 employees actually, and they've got a big campus in Maple Grove in the west metro, and on the other side of the metro they've got a big campus in Arden Hills. But they're going to be building a fourth building in Maple Grove, roughly 76,000 square feet. No plans for hiring more people at least initially, because this is just about expanding an existing manufacturing line. But this move is going to be opening up space where that line used to be, and they mentioned future increased needs for new product lines in the future. So hey, this is a sign that there could be more growth in Maple Grove in the future as well. They just had drug-eluting stent devices that have been really successful, such as Alovia and Nova. A spokesperson for the company said this expansion is just another sign of how much those lines are going to grow even more.
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Tom Salemi4:53
I've been to obviously Minneapolis and to Arden Hills, am I saying that right? Arden Hills. Thank you. But Maple Grove, just the name sounds so pleasant. I just want to go to Maple Grove and lie out in a grove of maples. Is it a pleasant place?
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Chris Newmarker5:22
Maple Grove, it's a suburb, but it's a nice suburb. It's actually kind of grown a lot in the last decade or so. They even have a brand new... well, actually it's not brand new. When I started as a healthcare reporter here, oh gosh, over a decade ago, it was brand new. That was one of my first stories around here, was going to visit the Maple Grove Hospital. Had that new hospital smell. I love that new hospital smell, like it's brand new. But yeah, it's got that new suburb feel.
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Tom Salemi6:01
That sounds great. All right, well let's move on down the list to number three. What is number three on the Newmarkers Newsmakers list, Chris?
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Chris Newmarker6:08
Number three on the list is we've got a really nice roundup/slideshow that's in full on our sister site, Drug Delivery Business News. It's just a really good timeline from our friend Brian Buntz on the actually pretty new history of the continuous glucose monitor. It kind of travels through the past 20 years of CGM development, all these products coming out. It's pretty fun actually. It's neat to start out way back in 1999 and the early 2000s and see these CGM devices that look kind of like pagers. I mean, when they started out, they looked like pagers. And now, here we are with these devices that look so sleek. They run on smartphones, they last for days, even weeks. It's just pretty astounding how over 20 years these devices have gotten so much better and really make a difference in the lives of a lot of people with diabetes.
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Tom Salemi7:09
We'll be later on running our conversation with Shacey Petrovic from Insulet. She's really got a great program going on there. We just had a really excellent conversation about how close these companies are to their patient communities. The tech that they're starting to build into their systems of delivering glucose is going to make people's lives a lot easier. She said that a type 1 diabetic who has to apply insulin and monitor their diet and exercise and everything has to make 300 decisions a day, which just sounds to me like you have another child or another full-time job. So it's excellent that this technology keeps getting better and better.
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Chris Newmarker7:52
Yeah, it really is. It's a really great example of how medtech at its best can really just change people's lives for the better.
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Tom Salemi8:00
Hey everyone, this is Tom. Got a great interview coming up, a shorter interview coming up with Dr. Nikki Panish. She is the co-founder and CEO of a company called Calo. Calo is making a countertop point-of-care solution to process N95 masks. It uses heat rather than chemicals. It's a product that came about when Dr. Panish was working as part of the Stanford Biodesign program. She was attending the business school and became involved with the biodesign program. We'll talk a little bit about the company and about the product and about her entrepreneurial process in this interview. But it's very short because I want you to join us on Clubhouse at 11:30 a.m. Eastern this Monday. Nikki Panish will be on with us. She'll share her story, I'll talk to her a bit, but this is an opportunity for you to come with your questions, for you to come with your entrepreneurial stories as well. So let's listen to this short interview with Dr. Nikki Panish. Again, she is the CEO of a company called Calo, and they have produced Calo Clean, which is a desktop way of disinfecting N95 masks. But she's also a working physician and she has a family. So this is a great opportunity for you to learn how she managed to also start a company. But first, we're going to hear from one of our sponsors, Packworld USA.
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Brandon Hoser9:25
We learned a lot about Pack World USA in last week's episode. This week, sales manager Brandon Hoser is back. He's going to tell us why Pack World's TOSS Advantage helps the company stand out from competitors. Pack World heat sealers use TOSS technology, which is an advanced form of impulse heat sealing. In a generic sense, impulse heat sealing powers a heating element or heat seal band only during an active sealing cycle. Unlike constant heat methods, impulse enables a cooling period where power is turned off to the heat seal band and heat dissipates for a specific amount of time or to a specific temperature. A cooling cycle allows molten material to cool and solidify, which ensures great hermetic and cosmetic heat seals. Not all impulse heat sealers are created equal. Low-cost machines controlled by potentiometer only vary the amount of power to the heat seal bands and do not have any real means of temperature control, which is required in a validated process. Other forms of impulse heat sealers use thermocouples to control the temperature on the heat seal bands. Thermocouples have some inherent flaws, such as slow response time and only measuring a single point of the heat seal band. TOSS technology used in a Pack World heat sealing machine is more sophisticated, using what we call variable resistance control. This means the heat seal controller knows what the resistance of the heat seal band is at all times, and that resistance correlates with precise temperature. The system then applies power and modulates to hold a precise resistance and therefore temperature. All of this happens in milliseconds, with a controller able to read 60 times per second. No thermocouples are needed, avoiding their inherent flaws. Because of TOSS technology, Pack World heat sealers are able to be validated and provide perfect heat seals from first to last and from one machine to the next. For more information, go to packworldusa.com.
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Tom Salemi11:12
Well, Nikki Panish, welcome to the podcast.
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Nikki Panish11:15
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.
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Tom Salemi11:17
It's great to have you. So how did you come up with the concept for Calo Clean? It's a point-of-care solution to process N95 masks. I know the fellows go to a hospital and they observe and try to identify problems that need to be solved. This one is clearly a problem that everyone knew about. How did your group focus on finding a solution for this?
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Nikki Panish11:37
So I would say we were really focused on working in the infection space and really had our finger on the pulse of what was coming out. Some of the research for heat as a solution for mask reuse actually came out of Stanford, and so we were lucky to be privy to information as it was released and really decided to capitalize on that. The world needed as many different types of solutions for the problem that we could foresee was going to happen.
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Tom Salemi12:09
And what was the process like of starting the company? I know you worked with the Fogarty Innovation or the formerly the Fogarty Institute earlier on. How did that come about? What was that experience like?
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Nikki Panish12:21
So as I said, the Stanford Biodesign program was a six-month program. At the end of the program, each of the different groups had an opportunity to present for summer funding, and representatives from Fogarty Innovation were part of the judging group. So we were connected with them and we were recipients of funding to continue our work beyond the six-month program. We're very blessed to have the Fogarty Innovation team as mentors for us. There is no way that we could have achieved what we did in the amount of time that we did without their mentorship. And I would be remiss if I did not mention our engineering partner. So towards the end of our six months at Stanford Biodesign, we started reaching out to have some assistance with the engineering work that we were doing, and we landed upon Phoenix Dentures. The CEO there is very innovative in how he thinks, and so we've actually done a collaboration with them in many ways. They've been our engineering partners, and again, there is no way that we could have achieved the timelines that we did without that partnership as well.
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Tom Salemi13:32
I see. Okay, so what is the plan next for Calo Clean? Are you commercialized? You're selling this?
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Nikki Panish13:39
Yes, so our very first product, the Calo Clean device, is now officially out on the market for sale, and we would love to see this go everywhere because we know that the world needs this. I think the thing that makes us unique is that we're really focused on point of care. The way that N95s work is that they're fitted to your face, and there's a concern about reusing a mask that has been worn by somebody else. We've heard stories about makeup and other people's personal items being there, and people don't like that. But also a concern about the mask not forming a complete seal, and without forming a complete seal, it's just not effective. So being able to know where your mask has been and be able to place your mask back on is a really unique feature that we offer for our customers.
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Tom Salemi14:39
Thanks, Dr. Nikki Panish. Again, join us at 11:30 a.m. Eastern on Clubhouse. You can find the Device Talks group, and we will have our discussion there. What's number two on the Newmarkers Newsmakers list?
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Chris Newmarker14:55
Okay, number two on the list is Abbott is announcing a Pandemic Defense Coalition that's going to be monitoring around the world for future pandemic threats. They've got tons of partners with this already, everything from outfits in all kinds of countries ranging from Colombia to Thailand to South Africa to India. Abbott has some really good experience with that, specifically with the HIV virus. They've been monitoring the HIV virus for decades. Some of their researchers just recently announced they found a subset of people in central Africa who seem to have their bodies handling the HIV virus much better than most people without any drugs. That group of people could be really helpful to find much better HIV treatments in the future, maybe even a cure. So they know about monitoring potentially deadly viruses, and for them to say they're going to make this big effort to monitor for future pandemic threats, here's hoping that they can head off a future pandemic and prevent something like this from happening again.
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Tom Salemi16:12
All right, bring it home, Chris Newmarker. What's number one on the big list?
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Chris Newmarker16:17
Hey, number one on the list, we had a really good news conference yesterday from FDA's top officials about everything that's going on so far with the new Biden administration. It was interesting that they're pretty positive so far on what's been going on. It helps that the pandemic relief bill that Biden just signed includes $500 million in extra general purpose funding for FDA. That should hopefully help FDA be more responsive to the industry. AdvaMed CEO Scott Whitaker was saying he was hoping the money was spent wisely, but so far so good. He had some interesting things to say about the fact that we don't have an FDA commissioner yet, at least a full-time FDA commissioner. He was saying that he sounded kind of glad that the Biden administration was taking its time, that you want to make sure you have somebody who is going to be really good in that job. It's an extremely crucial job right now, and it's okay right now because they've got FDA veteran Janet Woodcock as acting commissioner. But it'd be good to get somebody with really good credentials who can really lead FDA as we get out of this pandemic. There'll be some interesting questions for FDA too, because you're looking at all these EUAs that FDA's granted, like how are we going to do permanent authorizations around that? It's going to be a lot to navigate.
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Tom Salemi17:56
Was there any discussion about the Breakthrough Devices program? I imagine that whatever was adopted during the Trump administration will remain in place. Doesn't seem like there's any discussion about it not being there.
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Chris Newmarker18:05
Yeah, I haven't heard anything about that changing. The 510(k) reforms, I mean, as I said, that is one reason why it'd be nice to get a permanent commissioner in there soon, so that we can... I'm sure the new commissioner is going to shape the agency around whatever he or she wants to do with it.
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Tom Salemi18:25
Well, the relationship between the agency and industry seems to continue to get better. It seemed to be getting better in the Obama years, and it was a good relationship through the Trump years. So here's hoping there's no step back.
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Chris Newmarker18:36
Yeah, exactly. It seemed to be getting better, and at least so far, the industry seems to be giving a pat on the back to the Biden administration. So we'll see how it goes.
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Tom Salemi18:53
Now it's time for our keynote conversation. I had a great, great talk with Shacey Petrovic. She is the CEO and President of Insulet. I know you'll enjoy this conversation. But first, let's hear from our friends at PSN Labs.
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Mike Alaban19:12
Well, we're here with PSN Labs President Mike Alaban. Mike, we learned a lot about PSN Labs last week. One question I had was about your LSR program. Tell us a bit about LSRs.
Absolutely. So liquid silicone rubber, or LSR, is an elastomeric material. It has a wide range of softness, so Shore A durometer of 5 up to say 90 is pretty common. It's a two-part mixed material, usually, so it's a thermal setting material. It has extreme temperature use, so whether it's low temperature of say -55 to upwards of 300°C, it's pretty dynamic in the application that it can be used for. It's often used in medical devices because of its soft touch feel or conformable nature.
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Tom Salemi19:55
And what medical device makers are you working with? What type of companies need to know more about this technology?
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Mike Alaban20:03
Good question, Tom. It's all across the board. We're working with a lot of OEMs that are creating wearable devices for a number of reasons. Like I mentioned before, it gives that soft, nice feel, so you could use it on the exterior of the medical device so it feels good against your skin. But also because of that soft, conformable nature, it's used for seals within components. How well that material seals is a product of how it's processed, so that is a bit of a science in itself, figuring out that right time-temperature relationship to give you the proper cure and therefore process for this material.
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Tom Salemi20:39
Are there a lot of other companies out there working with LSR technology?
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Mike Alaban20:43
There are companies out there, but there aren't near as many as there are working in traditional thermoplastics. For example, in our geographic location, I'm not aware of another facility within 100 miles that allows one to come in and do R&D development. You do tend to find this development available, however those folks are usually big processors and they're hand-to-mouth to keep up with production. So to interrupt that production to do R&D can be a bit of a tall challenge, which makes us an attractive partner for our clients. For more information, go to psnlabs.com.
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Tom Salemi21:20
Well, Shacey Petrovic, welcome to the podcast.
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Shacey Petrovic21:23
Great to be here, Tom.
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Tom Salemi21:25
It's nice to finally have a Massachusetts person on the program. I've been too Minnesota heavy these days, so it's been too long.
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Shacey Petrovic21:31
There's so much medtech here.
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Tom Salemi21:33
That's right. So you were kind enough to be a keynote address at our Device Talks back in 2019, which feels like 1920. I don't know, it's forever ago. I think that was your first keynote as CEO. You became CEO that year. I can't imagine a more difficult sophomore year, at least in terms of a global sense. You had some challenges, so let's get into those in a moment. But first, I really love to learn how folks found their way into the medtech industry. So what was your entry point?
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Shacey Petrovic22:08
Sure. I had always envisioned that I would go into research and development actually. I loved innovation, and I have a double major in biology and comparative literature, which is bizarre. You can tell I was a bit schizophrenic when I was a student. So that's where I thought I was headed, and I spent a summer doing research in a lab and then realized very quickly that it actually wasn't for me. It was too isolating. So my first job out of college was pharmaceutical sales, and it was a way to combine my love of science and some of my interest around business and commercial. I went from there. I actually really did not love the pharmaceutical industry and selling for them, but I quickly got into medtech. My next job was with an early-stage commercial company where I was employee number 100, Cytyc, actually based here in Massachusetts. That's really where I built my commercial career. Cytyc was eventually acquired by Hologic, so it begins. I stayed on and I spent 14 years there between the two of those companies.
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Tom Salemi23:18
That's quite a 180 from a research position to a sales position. You have to be a complete extrovert to survive in the sales industry. Was that why you were more comfortable?
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Shacey Petrovic23:26
I think so. I was researching the estrogen cycle of doves because it most closely resembled that of humans. So I was stuck in a lab with a thousand doves monitoring them, which just wasn't a good fit for me.
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Tom Salemi23:45
How could you not love that? That sounds like the ideal working situation. So you joined Cytyc. Was it because you were interested in women's health, or it was obviously a hot company at the time? Hologic were sort of the two rising women's health companies, and it was sort of a surprise when they ultimately merged. But what led to the opportunity at Cytyc?
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Shacey Petrovic24:00
Well, I was really interested just in innovation. They were changing the world in terms of moving from conventional Pap test to liquid-based cytology, and I loved that it was at the precipice before all of that change was going to happen. So that's why I joined. I built my career in women's health. I spent almost 15 years between the two companies there. I did fall in love with the innovation that was happening in women's health, the impact that I could make, and my personal connection to the space. Actually, after Hologic, I went and ran a small women's healthcare company, a private company in Utah, that has since been acquired by LabCorp.
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Tom Salemi24:52
When did you realize, going from an education where you had comparative literature and science to getting into sales and then ultimately at some point you must have realized you wanted to run a company, you wanted to be a CEO? When was that point? Did it feel like a natural progression?
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Shacey Petrovic25:03
It really did feel like a natural progression. When I was in sales, I very quickly wanted to get into marketing. I wanted to get upstream in terms of the strategy, not just the execution. I actually think the execution is a great foundation for eventually being involved in the strategy because you're much more pragmatic and effective in developing strategy if you've been involved firsthand in the execution. So I moved from sales into marketing leadership, and that is in my mind the nerve center of any company because it really does connect with every function in the organization. I loved that. I moved from marketing into general management, and then I was recruited away for my first CEO job. What was attractive to me about that was the opportunity to build something, as opposed to lead a division within a large company, and the authorship that I could have over something like that. But I wasn't really aiming to be a CEO. I was eventually recruited to become one, but it wasn't something that I thought I wanted to do. And then of course I loved it, so it's been a great run.
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Tom Salemi26:16
Let's talk about the switch over to Insulet to be Chief Commercial Officer.
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Shacey Petrovic26:21
That's right.
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Tom Salemi26:22
What was the appeal of that? Had the company you were leading already been sold at that point, or did it get sold after?
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Shacey Petrovic26:28
No, it was in process. So you knew the writing was on the wall. It was a bit uncertain, but it looked like it was going to happen. Pat, my predecessor CEO here at Insulet, is actually the former CEO of Cytyc. Because I had built a lot of my early career there, we knew each other pretty well. He called me and said, 'Shacey, I want you to come be my Chief Commercial Officer.' I said, 'Well Pat, I'm a CEO now, didn't you hear?' And he said, 'Look, Shacey, I don't want to do this forever. I came out of retirement. This could be your opportunity to eventually run a public company if it goes well. I need a successor, and the technology is remarkable. We can fix these problems together.' So he sent me a link to Omnipod, which is Insulet's product, and he had no idea that my father lives with type 1 diabetes, and that I really had grown up with the disease and its impact on families and people. So I was immediately taken for a variety of reasons with the technology and the opportunity, and that's really what convinced me to come over. I was living in Utah at the time, so I moved my family back to Boston. It was just an incredible opportunity. The market is enormous, the technology is differentiated, and at that time we were very small, really, with an opportunity to change the game quite a bit. That's where we've been focused over the last six years, and I don't regret the decision at all. It was probably one of the best decisions I've made in my career.
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Tom Salemi28:00
It's interesting about your dad. What is it about the diabetes community? I think in all of medtech, there's no stronger relationship between customer and company. Is that true?
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Shacey Petrovic28:12
I think that's absolutely true, and there are a variety of reasons for that. It's an incredibly engaged community. Obviously, we serve both the type 1 and the type 2 community, but the type 1 community in particular is a group of incredibly engaged, incredibly empowered users that have really driven innovation in this space. They've driven regulatory policy changes, they've driven access changes, so they're powerful. What's so interesting is the intimacy that we have with our customers in this space. You think about typical medtech, and everything in my career prior to Insulet, you are selling and marketing to a number of physicians or to a number of hospitals or clinics in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands, depending on your space. For a variety of reasons, in the insulin pump and Omnipod market, we are providers. So we do the benefits investigation, we deliver benefits to the patient, we deliver the product directly to the patient, we train the patient, and then we initially support the patient for the first number of weeks or months to make sure that they get off successfully on the technology. It creates an incredible closeness to your end user, which is wonderful. It's part of our mission, it informs our culture, and it is one of the most fulfilling parts of my job.
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Tom Salemi29:49
I would think, and this isn't to denigrate any other specialty, but to be a salesperson in this type of field requires a different personality to deal with the patient directly as opposed to just dealing with physicians. Is that true?
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Shacey Petrovic30:00
I think that's right, Tom. In fact, this week we had our national sales meeting, and I was reflecting on just what I heard from our team during the awards night, which was last night actually. In our field, every territory has at least one clinician, so a certified diabetes educator or a nurse who has partnered with a more traditional medtech salesperson, but they work very much in tandem as a team. That means both of them have a strong connection to the patient, the end user of the device. The way they talked about what drove them, every person got up and talked about the number of lives that they changed this last year. It wasn't about their revenue or the number of Omnipods that they sold. It was about the number of lives that they had changed in the last year. That is our culture here at Insulet. It's very powerful, and it makes it a terrific place to work.
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Tom Salemi31:00
That's terrific. So let's take a moment and just back up and tell our listeners a bit about Omnipod.
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Shacey Petrovic31:06
Sure. Insulet is a company whose mission is to improve the lives of people living with diabetes, and we do that through Omnipod, which is our really differentiated technology. It is a disposable, waterproof pod that you wear anywhere on your body that you would give yourself an injection, and it delivers three days of non-stop insulin for people who require it. It's controlled by a handheld controller that looks just like, in fact it is, a locked-down cell phone. You program your dose of insulin, you can enter your food, and it will deliver the appropriate amount of insulin on a daily basis. Every three days, you dispose of that pod and put on a new one. It is very differentiated from what other choices a person living with diabetes has. Somebody who requires insulin on a daily basis can either inject themselves four to five times a day. Compared to multiple daily injections, one pod replaces up to 15 injections over three days. Or you can wear a tubed insulin pump, which is a small piece of capital equipment that is connected to your abdomen via three to four feet of tubing, and then you control the insulin delivery based on that little pager-like device that you're wearing on your hip. Those are the choices that you have besides Omnipod. It's been very differentiated and really helping us to bring pump therapy, continuously infused insulin, to more people because the pod is simple, easy to use, and discreet.
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Tom Salemi32:45
That's amazing. I think that speaks to why the diabetes community is so engaged. I can't think of a disease where, I'm fortunate not to have it, but I imagine you're thinking of it almost every minute of the day. Everything you eat, every step you take, every action you take.
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Shacey Petrovic32:57
Actually, Tom, it's a great observation. A person living with diabetes makes 300 decisions a day. I think it's a great observation too about why we have such intimacy with our customers, because somebody who lives with and relies on our technology is interacting with it very frequently. No other disease state do you dose yourself with a potentially lethal drug every day. We're expecting people to do that successfully, and to do that successfully, the technology has to be pretty easy to use, pretty user-friendly. On the outside, they look healthy, and they're expected to hold jobs, raise kids, have families, but yet they're managing this as well. It's like another full-time job.
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Tom Salemi33:46
So how do you build a market in this industry? I imagine that there are preferences for technologies. Some people may prefer Omnipod, some people may prefer something else, just like we prefer iPhones over Droids. How do you build a market in this industry?
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Shacey Petrovic34:05
I think it's a really interesting challenge. Our technology sits at the intersection of medtech and consumer tech in many ways. People who are adopting insulin delivery technology like the pod or the pump shop for insulin pumps or Omnipod the way they shop for a cell phone, because they're going to be living with this technology for a long time and want to be successful with it. So they will try out technologies, they'll go to clinics and learn more about all of the technologies. When we think about the market as a whole, in the United States, there are approximately five to six million people in the US that could benefit from our technology who live with insulin-dependent diabetes, both type 1 and insulin-dependent type 2. You ask yourself, why? Here we sit, insulin pumps were developed in the 80s, they were first launched in the 80s, and still today, somebody living with type 1 diabetes, only about a third of people living with type 1 use pump or pod therapy. So it has not been broadly adopted even though it delivers better outcomes. Two-thirds are still giving themselves injections. When I arrived, I said, 'Is that right?' I knew my experience with my father. It did take me a long time to convince him to wear an insulin pump, years in fact. It took a life-threatening situation in order for me to get him on to a pump. It's because the disease, you're making 300 decisions a day. If you have a little bit of control, you don't want to give that up. You don't want to introduce variables into your day. So there is a lot of inertia around technology use and patient attitudes, and even physician prescriptions. We have to focus really in three areas. We have to make the technology as simple to use as possible, and we really focus on reducing burden. We don't want to add burden to a patient, we really want to make their lives easier. The second thing is we have to focus on easy access. These technologies, for a variety of reasons, are too expensive and too difficult to access. So we have focused a lot on bringing broad, affordable access to our users. The third thing is awareness. Even for well-established pump players that have been in the market since the 80s, very few people could call them out by name. Very few people living with type 1 diabetes are aware of the choices that exist. So those are the three areas we've been focused on: how do we make the technology as simple as possible, how do we bring broad affordable access to users, and how do we make everybody aware that these choices exist for them. That's been successful for us and has been driving our growth over the last few years.
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Tom Salemi36:59
Interesting. You've had great growth. Where does that growth come from? If this year there are going to be at least three different diabetes products coming out, including your Omnipod 5, you're not trying to take market share from each other as much as drawing from that two-thirds to pick your tech?
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Shacey Petrovic37:17
We've been very focused on what we call the multiple daily injection user. In fact, I would argue that we convert more of those users than other pump players where it's more of a share game, where durable tube pumps are trading share among one another. 80% of our new users come from multiple daily injections, and the vast majority of them, more than 60%, tell us that they would not have adopted pump or pod therapy if not for Omnipod, because of all the things we talked about: the complexity of the technology, the cost of the technology. Omnipod has solved for being simple, being affordable, and being discreet. Those things are what's helping us to bring continuous subcutaneous insulin infusion to more people who are just injecting themselves on a daily basis.
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Tom Salemi38:10
Let's talk about the past year. A number of hospitals slowed down their elective surgeries. You don't have a choice, you can't stop serving your customers clearly during all of this. So talk to me about how it's been a year. What happened last March? How did you handle this? We can talk about clinical trials in a minute, but first let's focus on what happened in the plant. How did you continue to serve your customers?
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Shacey Petrovic38:33
Sure. The question is what happened last January, because in fact, we manufacture a good portion of our product in China with a contract manufacturer. In some ways, that was a blessing in disguise because we were able to very quickly learn and then very quickly transport those learnings from China to our US operations. We manufacture product both in China and in the US. We organized over three principles: we wanted to keep our team safe, we wanted to preserve the well-being of our communities, and we wanted to get pods to our customers who were relying on us. Everything we did to manage our business was with those three principles in mind. We very quickly implemented all of the safety and operational protocols that we had in China around temperature checks, nurse screening, and home testing. We very quickly pulled all of that together in the US. Our operations did not miss a beat. We shut down in China at the very beginning, but we very quickly put tactics in place to get back up and running safely. In the US, we didn't miss a beat. Our operations continued without any issue, and we've been operating all during this pandemic. So that's operations, we were able to continue to keep continuity of our supply chain and continuity of our operations. Then the next question was, how are we going to support bringing users on to technology? Patients aren't going into the physician's office. Many physician clinics were closed, some had started to adopt telehealth, but it was pretty spotty in the beginning. So we very rapidly rolled out virtual training tools and virtual support tools for our clinics to be able to continue to bring new users onto Omnipod. Those were some great learnings for us because we learned very quickly that we were making assumptions that were probably false. We assumed we had to have a clinic or a clinician directly train a user, that that was the best way to do it. In fact, we learned that's not true. Patients can very comfortably get up and running on the technology in the comfort of their own home. That was a great learning for us. Both users that live with type 2 and users that live with type 1 very effectively trained at home, and in some cases, it was a much better experience both for the trainer and for the new customer. For example, we were able to train an entire family in one sitting, where you wouldn't really have that opportunity if they have to travel to a clinic to get trained. The trainer was able to see more information interacting with somebody at home than they might get in the clinic. All of those things were very helpful and demonstrated just how well embraced and well reviewed our virtual training tools were.
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Tom Salemi41:30
I would also think they're just more comfortable. We can denigrate Zoom conversations all you want, but you're in your own home as opposed to sitting on some bench in a doctor's office. The anxiety that comes with being in a physician's office...
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Shacey Petrovic41:42
Yeah, we train very young kids in some cases, and older, less tech-savvy people. To make sure that they're comfortable in their environment so that they can ask the questions that come to mind and train others in the family, it's very helpful. The other area that we've been focused on is preserving the well-being of our communities. We've been very involved in volunteer efforts, providing PPE throughout the whole year to our first responders in the Metro Northwest area. It's been wonderful to see our team give back to the community and not just focus on our tasks, but also supporting everybody in this area.
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Tom Salemi42:20
Did you benefit from the relaxation from payers regarding telehealth visits?
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Shacey Petrovic42:27
Telehealth was certainly helpful for us. We don't actually submit for reimbursement for healthcare, but we saw that in the endo office. Last year in 2020, visits were down pretty significantly in the first half of the year, a 70% reduction in patient visits to the endo office. Some of that was then offset by telehealth. Telehealth made up for another 20% of that, where we were able to have physician-patient interactions. That's helpful that our clinicians can continue to serve patients and identify users that might benefit from Omnipod.
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Tom Salemi43:17
While we're talking about payers, I'm just curious, how has the environment changed for reimbursement for these sorts of devices?
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Shacey Petrovic43:22
This has been a big part of our strategy. We have been driving, and frankly, we've been disrupting the old treatment paradigms and care models with Omnipod. Traditionally, a tubed insulin pump and Omnipod up until two years ago were reimbursed through the durable medical equipment channel. We saw an opportunity to bring Omnipod through the pharmacy as opposed to the durable medical equipment channel to make it more broadly available and also to eliminate the upfront cost. In the durable medical equipment channel, for insulin pump therapy, typically a payer or a user is charged a few thousand up front for the insulin pump, and then they are locked into a four-year contract. This is why payers put a bunch of hurdles in place for adoption of the technology, because they want to make sure that the user is motivated so that they get the outcomes benefit and that the user is going to stick with it for the four-year contract that they're paying up front for. We thought, well, this isn't a very consumer-friendly model, and it's one of the hurdles to getting more people to adopt pump or pod technology. So we started to explore the pharmacy channel. What we did in the pharmacy channel was we eliminated all upfront cost. We said that a user or a payer only needs to pay for the pods presumably as the user is using them and getting the outcomes benefits from them. That eliminated a lot of the upfront barriers that payers put in place for users to adopt the technology. We didn't lock anybody into any type of time frame. You can frankly try the technology for free, and we just know that we've got great loyalty rates and great retention rates. If somebody tries it, they're going to want to use it. That's what we rely on to keep our customers and to win our customers, and it's enabled us to bring our technology to a lot more people who otherwise wouldn't have access to it.
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Tom Salemi45:14
The pods are disposable?
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Shacey Petrovic45:18
Yes, our pods are disposable. It's perfectly suited for the pharmacy channel because it is where people living with diabetes are going to get their continuous glucose monitors, their blood glucose strips, their insulin. This is very similar in concept, a disposable, recurring revenue model that's very well suited to the pharmacy channel.
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Tom Salemi45:46
Let's talk briefly about Omnipod 5, and then I'd also like to wrap up with how you're innovating and what's to come next. Talk about Omnipod 5. What's different about it? You've also had some recent collaborations which I think are related to this.
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Shacey Petrovic46:00
Sure. Omnipod 5 is our automated insulin delivery system, what we call AID for short. An AID is a continuous glucose monitor communicating directly to an insulin pump or pod with an algorithm, and that's what Omnipod 5 is. It is incredibly differentiated. We are in partnership for this first generation with Dexcom, so the Dexcom and the pod speak directly to each other. There's a sophisticated algorithm that is on the pod, and that algorithm takes a CGM reading every five minutes. Based on that reading, it looks out an hour in the future and predicts where your blood glucose is going, and then it gives you a micro dose of insulin every five minutes to keep you in range. This is incredible because we talked about the 300 decisions that somebody living with diabetes has to make every day. What this does is dramatically reduce those number of decisions and the cognitive burden of diabetes. There will still be a few situations where a user has to, for example, when they eat, they'll still have to announce a meal and dose for the carbohydrates, but the rest of it is highly automated. What it is showing in pre-pivotal data is an incredible improvement in time in range, incredible control in terms of hypoglycemia, and users rated the usability of the system up there with an iPhone, so really easy to use and really terrific control. We could not be more excited. This has been one of the most anticipated innovations in all of the diabetes pipeline, not just Insulet's pipeline. One of the really exciting things we're delivering with this is phone control. You'll be able to control the system by a secure app on your mobile phone, so we get to eliminate the remote controller of the system. A user will simply put on a pod, put on a Dexcom sensor, download an app, and be able to be off to the races managing their diabetes.
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Tom Salemi48:07
So that's how they would announce a meal, through an app on a phone?
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Shacey Petrovic48:11
That's right. It's really exciting, really easy to use, and a lot of benefits for us being able to go directly to the phone securely and communicate with these devices.
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Tom Salemi48:25
That's outstanding. How about your relationship with Abbott? What's that going to lead to?
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Shacey Petrovic48:29
Abbott is next. We have great partnerships with both Dexcom and Abbott, and have announced that we will be integrating with their future technologies. Dexcom has a very exciting pipeline, we will integrate with those technologies. Abbott's Libre obviously has been exploding in growth, and we have a partnership with Abbott that is in development as well. Our next generation system will integrate with both Abbott and Dexcom. A lot of exciting things around platforms. The first system that we'll launch in just a few months will be controlled via an app on your Android phone, and future generations will be iOS. I'm very excited about that.
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Tom Salemi49:10
Did you have thoughts about developing your own sensors, or were you always planning on a partnership? I think that's a real interesting way to go.
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Shacey Petrovic49:16
If you look at what Dexcom and Abbott have done in the marketplace, it's pretty extraordinary. Both are very sophisticated, very difficult to manufacture technologies. We feel like we've got great partnerships with them. There are some really interesting technologies on the horizon. There might be 40 early-stage CGMs in development, so we'll see how the market plays out. But we could not be more delighted with our partnerships with Abbott and Dexcom.
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Tom Salemi49:45
Final question. Looking at the future, innovation-wise, where do the good ideas come from? I feel as if you're probably really engaged with your users and patients, trying to understand what they need. But what does R&D look like? What does that process look like? What will Insulet be providing this community in four or five years? What's next?
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Shacey Petrovic50:02
I think you're right that the intimacy with our customers is what drives our innovation. We've got incredible capabilities around human factors, user interface research, where we engage Omnipod users, multiple daily injection users, tube pump users to really help us inform technologies. That intimacy with our end user is part of our whole innovation from concept development through to delivering the technology. When we think about where we're focused, we're focused on simplicity. We know that the cognitive burden of this disease is incredible, and our advantage is in the simplicity of our pod. But we see opportunity to drive more and more simplicity for people living with diabetes across every aspect of how they interface with our technology and also across our innovative access models. We're focused on outcomes. This step up with Omnipod 5 and the algorithm and the integration with CGM enables us to make a massive impact on outcomes. We will take people who are in the 60% time in range and move them into the 70-75% time in range. It is a massive improvement in outcomes, but we see this as just the beginning. We can continue to advance our algorithm and data science to deliver better outcomes over the long term. We see empowerment. It's really interesting when you think about where we are with data. With Omnipod 5, we now get all of the CGM data coming in, we get how the user is interfacing with the system, we get the insulin delivery data, and then how that's impacting the CGM. That is an incredible amount of data for us to deliver insights back to the user. Insights like, every time you work out on Tuesday, you go low, you may want to consider adjusting your setting. That insight allows us to empower our users. As you think about now we're on the phone, if the user consents, we may have access to their calendar, to their OpenTable reservations, to all sorts of pieces of data that could give us insights to help empower our users. We might say, where you ate dinner on Thursday night, you should have bolused bigger to get a better outcome. Those are the types of things that are really exciting in terms of where this could go to generate insights for our users, for clinicians, and for payers. Over the horizon, a lot of really exciting stuff. We are particularly differentiated in the type 2 space. We haven't talked a lot about that, but we have significant advantages there. When we think about our innovation pipeline, diabetes, and in particular type 2 diabetes, is a global epidemic. It is growing in crazy proportion across the globe. We have technologies and innovations that are going to really help address what is one of the most significant world health problems across the globe.
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Tom Salemi53:06
There's type 2, I'm ignorant about this, but does that usually require insulin treatment?
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Shacey Petrovic53:11
About 10% of people who live with type 2 diabetes, it's a progressive disease. People will fail lifestyle modification, they'll fail medical management, and eventually progress into insulin therapy. That's really where Omnipod comes in. Its simplicity and its access model through the pharmacy are particularly important for people living with type 2 diabetes.
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Tom Salemi53:36
Interesting. Well, this has been a really fascinating conversation. I've learned a ton. Shacey, thanks for joining us on the podcast.
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Shacey Petrovic53:44
Oh, it's been great, Tom. Thanks for having me.
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Tom Salemi53:47
All right. Well, that was a fantastic conversation with Shacey Petrovic of Insulet. Great to talk to her and to have another Massachusetts person on the program. Yay, Bay State! Woo, Bay State! Chris Newmarker, where can folks find you on the old social?
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Chris Newmarker54:02
Hey, you can find me on LinkedIn, Chris Newmarker, just like Newmarker. I'm on Twitter at @Newmarker. And I'm doing that Clubhouse thing a little bit with you, Tom.
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Tom Salemi54:12
When can people join us on Monday?
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Chris Newmarker54:15
We will be on Monday at 11:30 am Eastern time. We will have Chris Newmarker there to talk about the Newmarkers Newsmakers, but we're also going to have a great conversation about biodesign programs and how they help entrepreneurs create new companies and learn how to find shortcomings in the healthcare industry. It'll be a great conversation.
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Tom Salemi54:36
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