Andy Royce16:29
Yeah, in terms of the foreign expenditure restriction, this was something that first came about, I suppose, the back end of 2021 or so, in terms of having a real focus on it. And in a way, it's understandable for HMRC wanting to limit the scope of costs abroad, it's always been the case that companies based in the UK, historically under the SME scheme, have been able to claim for subcontractors and externally provided workers, whether or not they're based in the UK. It continues to be the case that companies will be able to claim for their own staff costs as long as PAYE is going through the UK, etc. And indeed, consumable costs, software and clinical trials as well, will continue to be available, whether or not they're based in the UK, as long as those costs are going through the company's own UK based P&L. What is and has been legislated on, albeit pushed back. So originally, I think it was intended to come in for accounting periods again starting 1 April 2023. Now it's being pushed back to accounting periods 1 April 2024 is to limit the scope of the ability to claim on subcontracted and externally provided worker costs. When those are based abroad, there is very much going to be a limitation on that. And I suppose the justification behind it is that if it's an investment in UK innovation, if a company doesn't have a great amount of costs or tax going through the UK, a lot of it's pumped abroad, then it's supporting sometimes costs that are going offshore rather than benefiting the UK economy. So there is reason behind it. The reason they probably push things back is because it's still very unclear from their side the circumstances under which you may be able to claim those costs, and they are very limited. For HMRC's limited examples, what they have said is that in order for the overseas subcontracted, or certainly provided worker costs to be able to be claimed under the new scheme going forward, a) those conditions are not present in the UK, b) those conditions are present in the location in which that work is being conducted, and c) finally, it would be wholly unreasonable for that work to be conducted within the UK. So, quite tight scenarios and the original examples that they gave when this was first released were very, very limited. I think the intention that they've outlined with that is that there will be limited circumstances. I think the use of the word wholly unreasonable makes it clear that their intention is that, however, they do give some reasonable examples within their own guidance, such as if, apart from the sort of obvious ones with clinical trials and things abroad, where it'd be necessary to conduct that within that foreign environment, material prototyping, where, for example, a construction company might love to be testing things within a certain climactic environment that's just not present within the UK, and it's necessary to engage with a foreign subcontractor. It's clearly satisfying those three conditions. It's not present in the UK because the climate, it's obviously the foreign climate we're interested in. And finally, it wouldn't be reasonable to try and replicate those conditions within the UK. So, yes, there are limited circumstances in which it will be applied, but it remains to be seen how HMRC will apply their own guidance on that. Like I said, with the words wholly unreasonable, you'd expect that there would be a high threshold for that. However, there are useful examples of the sort of scenarios which would allow for that, basically taking a common sense approach to say, well, would it be reasonable to be aiming to replicate those conditions within the UK? Another example they do give is based upon time considerations as well. So if there were two different facilities, one based abroad and one based in the UK, and it wasn't available, and that would make the project unachievable, then of course it would be legitimate to have those costs from the company abroad. So, yes, probably quite a high threshold, but still available in those circumstances where it's necessary.