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Chief Executive Officer, President & Chairman of the Board, AAR CORP

AAR Corp AIR CEO John Holmes on Q3 2020 Results

🎥 Mar 31, 2020 📺 Daily Earnings Calls ⏱ 49m 👁 20 views
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During AAR's third quarter fiscal 2020 earnings call on December 1, 2020, Holmes reported record quarterly sales of $553 million, up 4% year-over-year, and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.67. He stated that the company had taken decisive action to exit one contract and restructure two others, resulting in a one-time charge of $24.7 million. Citing the effects of COVID-19 on the commercial airline market, Holmes announced the withdrawal of fiscal year 2020 guidance. He described steps the company was taking to align costs with decreasing demand, including a hiring freeze, reductions in executive compensation, furloughs, and workforce reductions. Holmes noted that he had been in direct contact with members of Congress and the administration regarding potential support for the broader aviation industry, emphasizing the need to preserve heavy maintenance capability and the skilled workforce in the United States. In a September 2019 podcast, Holmes discussed AAR's workforce development initiatives, including a partnership with Chicago city colleges to launch an aviation-focused transportation campus. He described AAR as the largest supplier of used airframe and engine parts globally and said the company had shifted from a subcontractor to a prime contractor on U.S. government contracts, applying commercial best practices to government offerings. Holmes stated that the company was positioning itself to support both existing fleets and next-generation aircraft as they mature, and that consolidation in the industry could create aftermarket support opportunities for AAR.

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Transcript (68 segments)
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Operator0:00
Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen and welcome to AAR's fiscal 2020 third quarter earnings call. We are joined today by John Holmes, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sean Gillan, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that the comments made during the call may include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, as noted in the company's news release and the Risk Factors section of the company's Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended May 31, 2019 and Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended February 29, 2020. In providing the forward-looking statements, the company assumes no obligation to provide updates to reflect future circumstances or anticipated or unanticipated events. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to AAR's President and CEO John Holmes. You may begin.
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John Holmes1:10
Good afternoon everyone. I really appreciate you all joining us today to discuss our Q3 FY20 results. Before I get into the details of the quarter, I'd like to make some comments regarding COVID-19 first. Our thoughts are with all of those who have been directly impacted, and our appreciation goes out to the health care workers around the world who are fighting on the front lines. As you know, this is an unprecedented situation for the global aviation industry. AAR enters this uncertain period from a position of strength. We have a diverse business mix with approximately 35% of sales from government customers and meaningful commercial sales to cargo carriers. We also have a strong balance sheet with less than 1x net leverage, significant liquidity, and strong customer relationships. That said, we expect a sizeable impact to our commercial airline business as a result of the decrease in commercial air traffic. To proactively address the anticipated impact of COVID-19, we are taking steps to ensure costs remain aligned with decreasing demand. These steps include a hiring freeze, reducing or eliminating all non-essential spend, reducing executive compensation, furloughs, and unfortunately reductions in our workforce. That said, we remain prepared to take additional action as warranted to respond to the evolving business environment. With respect to potential government assistance, I have been in direct contact with members of both the House and the Senate, as well as the administration, regarding potential support not just for the airlines but also for the broader aviation industry. As you know, we have worked diligently over the last several quarters to enhance our recruiting efforts, develop training programs, and partner with various schools to create a pipeline for technicians. Given our focus and success in building and retaining a skilled workforce, we are particularly supportive of all government measures aimed at preserving jobs. The safety and health of our people, as well as our customers and vendors, is a top priority. We're closely following CDC guidelines and have enacted remote working, social distancing, and related business continuity plans across all of our offices and facilities. These measures, combined with the overall business climate, create a great deal of uncertainty and stress for our people, and I really want to take this opportunity to thank the employees at AAR for their hard work, dedication, and flexibility as we go through this difficult time. I'm very proud to be part of the best team in aviation. Turning to our results, we had a record third quarter and I'm pleased with the overall performance. Sales were up 4% from $530 million to $553 million, and our adjusted diluted earnings per share from continuing operations increased from $0.62 per share to $0.67 per share. These strong results were driven by continued exceptional performance from our government programs, part supply, and MRO activities. We announced several new business wins which demonstrated AAR continues to be the partner of choice in the aviation services industry. Specifically, we announced plans to expand our airframe maintenance services with Air Canada to cover its A330 fleet. Additionally, AeroControlex, a large manufacturer of critical components to the aviation industry, selected AAR to be its exclusive global distributor for the APU lube pump product line. We have strong aftermarket expertise in these particular products and are already seeing results from the significant growth opportunity. Finally, we secured a $90 million sole source IDIQ contract with the Defense Logistics Agency for specialized shipping and storage containers as well as accessories. As described in the release, there are several restructuring actions that we have taken and will take to continue to improve the performance and strength of AAR. As we have previously discussed, we have seen increased costs on certain commercial programs contracts which were adversely impacting our financial results. We have taken decisive action to exit one contract and restructure two others, which will allow us to free up capital, improve cash flow, and increase margins. These actions resulted in a one-time, predominantly non-cash charge of $24.7 million. We have also made a decision to pursue several additional restructuring actions in our fiscal Q4 which involve consolidating facilities to further reduce costs. Before turning over to Sean, I'm pleased to share that subsequent to the quarter end, we completed the sale of our final contract within the C-130 airlift business as previously discussed. This completes the exit of that business as part of our strategic shift, and we are pleased to have that element of our plan complete. With that, I'll turn it over to Shawn, our CFO.
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Sean Gillan5:55
Thanks John. Our sales in the quarter of $553.1 million were up 4.5% or $23.6 million year-over-year. This included a $33 million or 6.6% increase in aviation services revenues, primarily driven by execution on government contracts, which represent approximately 35% of our revenue. Improvement in MRO volumes and strong demand in our part supply activities also contributed to the increase. As John mentioned, in our commercial programs business, we terminated one contract and restructured two other contracts during the quarter. These actions resulted in a one-time, predominantly non-cash charge of $24.7 million, which shows up in the P&L as a reduction in revenue of $9.8 million and the establishment of forward loss reserves and other related charges in cost of sales for $14.9 million. Aviation Services gross profit decreased $16.5 million, which was driven by the one-time $24.7 million charge. Excluding that charge, our profit would have increased by $8 million. Each of government programs, MRO, and part supplies gross profit increased year-over-year. Gross profit within Expeditionary Services decreased $3.5 million, but we had expected a recovery in this segment this quarter. We continue to experience a delay in a large contract award and certain operational challenges. We are taking restructuring actions in Q4 to reduce fixed costs and overhead within Expeditionary Services. We will consolidate facilities which will improve production efficiencies, eliminate excess capacity, and significantly decrease our overhead and fixed costs. We expect these restructuring actions, along with our current backlog, to result in improved performance going forward. Additionally, as John discussed, in the fourth quarter we have initiated cost reduction actions in light of COVID-19 which included hiring freeze, reducing or eliminating all non-essential spend, reducing executive compensation, furloughs, and reductions in force. In total, we expect the facilities consolidation and COVID-19 related steps to result in one-time costs of approximately $15 to $20 million pre-tax in the fourth quarter, with the payback on these actions realized within one year. In the quarter, SG&A expenses were 10.5% of sales versus 10.3% in the prior period, with the increase largely driven by investigation and compliance related costs. Excluding investigation and severance costs from both periods, SG&A would have been 9.9% of sales in the current quarter compared to 10.1% in the prior year quarter. Net interest expense was $2.3 million compared to $2.4 million last year due to lower borrowings in the current year, partially offset by higher rates. During the quarter, our cash flow provided from operating activities from continuing operations was $9.7 million. We continue to invest in inventory to support our part supply activities. Additionally, as we performed under a certain government program contract that paid in advance last year, we significantly reduced our deferred revenue on the program, which resulted in less cash flows in the prior year period. During the quarter, we returned $2.6 million to shareholders via dividends, $0.075 per share. Our balance sheet remains strong with net debt at $171.1 million and net leverage of 0.9 times. Earlier this year, we upsized our revolver by $100 million to $600 million and extended the maturity to September 2024. Our only other maturity is a $23 million term loan due November 2021. As of the end of the quarter, we had total liquidity of $432 million, which included unrestricted cash of $37 million and revolver availability of $395 million. In addition, we had net capacity available under our accounts receivable facility of $92 million. Thank you for your attention and I will now turn the call back over to John.
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John Holmes9:44
Thank you Sean. While we are pleased with our Q3 and year-to-date results which have tracked ahead of our previously raised guidance, due to the effects of COVID-19 on the commercial airline market we believe it is prudent to withdraw fiscal year 2020 guidance at this time. There's no question COVID-19 will have a meaningful impact on our commercial airline business. That said, volumes from our government customers are strong and are expected to continue to grow, and we have a substantial cargo business which we see potentially expanding in this environment. As for airlines, air travel will return and grow, and aircraft will return to service, and demand for aftermarket parts and services will be required. On that note, we believe there will be opportunities for AAR as capital constraints combined with low fuel prices will likely cause airlines to cancel orders for new aircraft and possibly extend the utilization of existing aircraft. Additionally, there will be greater demand for used material because airlines look to save money using aftermarket parts, and we as the largest aftermarket parts supplier in the world will benefit from increased supply as aircraft are retired. Moreover, we believe the competition in the aftermarket, which had grown in recent years due to the length of the up cycle, will decrease as our competitors struggle to survive or increasingly focus on their core activities. I want to reiterate that AAR is in a strong position. We are diversified across markets and geographies, and we have an exceptional balance sheet. I joined AAR just before 9/11 and I've seen what this company can do in times of adversity, and we are in an even better position today heading into this event. I'm proud to be part of such an amazing team and I'm confident that we will emerge even stronger. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for questions.
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Operator11:27
Thanks. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time if you have any questions you can press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, you can press the pound or hash key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Again, that is star 1.
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Robert Spingarn11:57
Good afternoon. John and Shawn, obviously this is a very challenging time, so of course we wish you the best as you work through this. I wanted to start by asking you if there's any way to frame maybe perhaps on what you've seen so far through March or what you're hearing from your customers, and based on these fairly heavy declines in capacity that have started, if you have some sense for what the ASM decline looks like and how that relates to your business or the various businesses. Is there any algorithm that we can come up with?
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John Holmes12:40
Well, not sure if there's an algorithm, but let me try to take it piece by piece across the company. As we mentioned, on the government side in the past quarter, in the third quarter we saw significant growth, and at this point we see that continuing with the government business remaining strong and we expect continued growth there. Cargo as well, cargo through contracts that we have in our parts businesses that supply engine providers with parts for cargo customers, as well as some activity in the MRO business. We expect the cargo business to hold up and potentially expand as I mentioned. In terms of airline customers in MRO, we are in constant contact with all of our major customers and this is a very dynamic environment and really does change daily. Right now we have a fair amount of work in the hangars, they're largely full, but we anticipate a meaningful decline in that work as we head towards the summer. We're getting different information out of different customers at this time in terms of the schedules that they are putting together. The one encouraging part of all of that is that for many of our MRO customers, we are the main maintenance provider and they recognize the importance of keeping solid lines of work with companies like us, and the message is we'll do everything we can to keep you full. That said, we are expecting a meaningful decline in maintenance activity across the facilities as we head into the summer. Then in terms of the airline parts businesses, both new and used parts sales, it's early to tell. The business actually has been holding up up until just the last few days. We did see some decline out of Asia in the third quarter and that's continued, but the business was holding up. However, we have seen a decline just in the last few days and we are anticipating that business tracks with ASM.
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Robert Spingarn14:49
Okay. Could you just refresh us on the percentage of the business that is cargo, I guess of the overall top line?
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John Holmes14:56
It's not something we typically put out, but we typically see it between 10 and 15 percent of the commercial business.
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Robert Spingarn15:07
Okay. And the other thing I wanted to ask you is as we think about all these various pressures, how would you describe your cost structure? I know maybe the right way to ask it is your fixed versus variable cost given the labor intensity at least part of your business.
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John Holmes15:29
Yeah, given the nature of our business, most of our cost is variable. For the part supply activities, our cost of sales is the inventory that we procure, that we have on the shelf or we buy in the market, and the other parts of it are shipping and sales, so it's really variable costs associated with activity. Where you have some greater fixed cost is on the infrastructure to support the hangars and the MROs. Again, a lot of the labor there is more variable in nature in terms of contracts and the people that support the activity. Then in commercial programs, some of the infrastructure to support the supply chain has a more fixed nature to it. So I think we have a highly variable cost structure across the whole company, with pockets of more fixed cost in the hangars and other areas.
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Robert Spingarn16:23
Okay. And then just the last one for me is how we should think about working capital trends from here. You obviously have parts inventory. Given the decline in activity, do you draw that down, do you continue to be active in parts? How do we think about working capital for the next few quarters?
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John Holmes16:43
Yeah, this is definitely an evolving situation. We're certainly in a mode right now where we are drawing down on existing parts inventories. As we see things settle out and as we see opportunities arise, we would look to potentially make investments, but right now we are very focused on the liquidity required to operate the business and using the stock that we have to satisfy demand.
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Robert Spingarn17:23
Okay, thank you both for the color.
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Ken Herbert17:28
Hi, good afternoon John and Shawn. John, I just wanted to first ask about the commercial programs business. You called out one contract you've exited, two you've restructured. How do we think about that business now in terms of what's left, and how do you view the risk now that you've taken this action? Is it pretty well level set moving forward?
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John Holmes18:05
I feel good about the actions that we took to address those contracts. They had been a headwind for us as we've indicated the last couple quarters. So those were in response to restructurings that occurred within our customers, and I'm happy that we were able to take those actions. They will provide an improvement in margin and an improvement in cash flow as a result of those actions. In the context of COVID-19, our power-by-the-hour contracts, as the name implies, are built on flying hours of the airlines, and we have seen reductions across all of the fleet that we support. Certain of those contracts have minimum flight hour protections in there, although we're certainly in uncharted waters in terms of how those protections will be enforced. So we're in a dialogue with all of our customers about how our program support going forward will look as they assess the impact on their own fleets as a result of COVID-19.
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Ken Herbert19:09
Okay, that's great. Thank you. And if I could just follow up on the earlier question, maybe one way to help us think about this is as you look across the parts supply and MRO businesses, obviously the airlines seem to be cutting discretionary spending pretty aggressively. I'm just curious from a timing standpoint, I would imagine you see that impact certainly on the parts trading and purchase distribution fairly soon, and maybe on the MRO side there's a bit of a lag, but coming out of this you'd see it on the trading and distribution side fairly quickly. But can you talk about on those two parts of the business, the MRO and on the parts side, the timing and how it sort of rolls through the organization?
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John Holmes20:01
On the parts side, we really just in the last few days have started to see a decline in volume. It was actually holding up fairly well just into the last couple days, and we would expect as airlines ground fleets and look to cannibalize parts from aircraft that are on the ground, we would expect a meaningful decline in those day-to-day parts activities. In terms of the trading business, typically in the distribution business that's largely consumables and expendables, those aren't parts that would necessarily be cannibalized, but as airlines go through what they have on the shelf, we'll see a slowdown and then we could see some replenishment orders there. But I expect overall that volume on the new parts side to decrease as well. On the maintenance side, those are events provided the aircraft come back. Those are maintenance deferrals, and we would be working closely with our customers to make sure that we're in a position to handle the maintenance events when they start to put aircraft back into service. I would expect that activity to pace ahead of a recovery in the parts business.
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Ken Herbert21:18
Okay, great. Can you just comment on what you're seeing specifically out of China or Asia? There's been speculation that parts of the economy there and air travel at least within China seem to be picking up. Are you seeing that with your customers there, and how does that outlook specifically look?
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John Holmes21:37
Great question. The answer is, in the last few weeks we have seen some activity. Particularly out of China, about halfway through the third quarter we started seeing a meaningful decline in order volume out of China in particular, and a bit less impacted across all of Asia. But in the last two weeks, we have seen some increased activity. As a matter of fact, last week we received a multi-million dollar purchase order for a landing gear from a Chinese carrier, and that's a big order in any environment, particularly in this environment. So there definitely are signs of life with that market returning.
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Ken Herbert22:19
Very much. Good luck, thanks again.
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Operator22:25
Ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions at this time, you can simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi from Stifel.
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Joseph DeNardi22:40
Yeah, hey, good evening guys. John, can you quantify a little bit more how much of the business you expect to track with ASM? The aviation parts business, is that a billion dollars or so a year run rate?
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John Holmes22:56
We typically don't split out those elements of the aviation services segment. But you know, if you look at aviation services, it's roughly a third, a third, a third: a third MRO, a third parts, and a third programs. In the programs, it's roughly split between government and commercial. So we would see the commercial power-by-the-hour programs tracking with ASM, and inside the parts business, with the exception of the government portion and the cargo portion, which I would put at a bit more than half, we would see the remaining half of the parts business tracking with ASM.
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Joseph DeNardi23:46
Okay. And when you say tracking with ASM, some of the US airlines are talking about 70 to 80 percent decline the next couple of months. Is that ballpark of what you would expect?
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John Holmes23:59
Yes.
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Joseph DeNardi24:01
Okay. And then on the commercial piece, how much of the commercial business is with foreign airlines versus US airlines, between MRO, parts, and PBH?
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John Holmes24:17
Our commercial business is roughly about 40 percent international. So when we talk about ASM, I would weight that by geography — call it 40 percent international and 60 percent domestic. In the hangars, we have five in the US which service the domestic narrow-body market, two in Canada with a similar dynamic there, and then some landing gear facility in Miami and component repair facilities in New York and Amsterdam. So within MRO specifically, it's overweight towards the domestic US market and Canada.
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Joseph DeNardi25:01
Got it. Okay. And Sean, can you talk about liquidity, how much you think you have access to and when you would look to access some of that?
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Sean Gillan25:13
Yeah, as I mentioned in my script, we have about $435 million of liquidity. The revolver we upsized back in the fall, so the maturity is until about four and a half years from now in the fall of 2024, and we upsized it by $100 million to $600 million total at that time. That's the available liquidity the company has. We also put in an AR financing program a couple years ago and there's some availability under that. So in terms of where we sit today on liquidity, I think we feel good. Obviously contingency planning and discussions with our banks to make sure that it stays the same, but feel good about the actions that we've taken over the last six months and where we sit today. The actions we're obviously taking both in terms of overhead and fixed costs are all with an eye to improve the cash position of the company.
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Joseph DeNardi26:15
Okay. And John or Sean, can you frame the cost reduction actions that you put in place, how much that was COVID-19 versus the underperforming contracts, and then what sort of revenue environment does that assume, and when would you maybe look to do more if things get worse?
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John Holmes26:38
The Q3 charge of $24.7 million is specific to the restructuring actions in the programs. The $15 to $20 million range estimate we provided for Q4 is for the Q4 actions — facility actions as well as people and overhead actions. That's split roughly evenly between facility actions and people actions. I would say that reflects a demand environment that tracks to some of the things we talked about here in terms of activity in the hangars and ASM. Should things deteriorate, we're watching the situation closely. It's still relatively early as we mentioned, and we would be ready to take additional action if needed.
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Operator27:33
Ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions at this time, you can simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Next question comes from the line of Michael Marley from SunTrust.
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Michael Marley27:48
Hey, good evening guys, thanks for taking the questions here. Maybe John or Sean, just go back on the two underperforming contracts on the commercial side. Can you give us a little background as to what went wrong there, what kind of prevents that from happening going forward? I always thought once you got those contracts locked and loaded, they would be pretty well-off and good performing over the life of the program. So give us a little background there.
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John Holmes28:21
In both situations, you had fleet changes that occurred at the customer that drove a pretty significant difference between what was expected when we signed the contract versus what we actually experienced. We've had negotiations with those customers in recent months to try to correct for that, and ultimately we ended up in a position where we needed to restructure the contracts and take a charge. That's the element on the customer side of it. On our side, we had a pretty rapid expansion in that business, as you recall — we signed up a lot of contracts with a lot of different operators in a lot of different environments, and it was a pretty stretched supply chain. These were some of the earliest agreements that we signed as we got into that business, and our pricing, our operations, and the contractual protections that we look for in those agreements evolved over that period. But these were earlier agreements in that regard.
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Michael Marley29:36
Got it, that's helpful. Maybe that's a good segue. I kind of hate to ask the silver lining question, but as you guys look at your customer list specifically carriers on a global basis, have you done any sort of analysis on bankruptcy or how many of these carriers might be forced to consolidate? You just said you had some rapid expansion there. Are you looking at customer by customer and seeing who might be at risk here and where some of these long-term contracts might not prove to be valid anymore?
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John Holmes30:07
We're taking a look at the liquidity position of all of our customers, and I wouldn't limit that statement to just our commercial power-by-the-hour contract holders. We're looking across the whole portfolio. Having said that, our largest customers we feel very good about their own financial management, and we've got very close relationships with them and are in very active dialogue with them in terms of our exposure and their plans. So overall I feel good about our AR portfolio. Having said that, we're certainly in an environment where you are going to see some failures, and we've done our own analysis on where those may occur and we're going to do everything we can to limit our exposure.
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Michael Marley31:04
Got it. If there is a silver lining, thinking about parts trading distribution, do you envision sort of a countercyclical cash tailwind here? If you guys do liquidate inventory, you might be resizing in the near term for much lower volumes. Can we expect some improved cash generation if you're clearly not investing on the parts side of the business?
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Sean Gillan31:28
Yeah, I think as you mentioned, over the last few years in a growth environment where we've not only been outgrowing the industry but taking share as part of that, it's been a somewhat capital intensive business in terms of the inventory and the rotable asset we've invested in to support growth. As you sit here today with the balance sheet we have and the inventory position, we're obviously very focused on turning the inventory position and the investments we made into cash. You'll see maybe a higher conversion on inventory as you put less on the shelf and monetize what we have. I do think that in the environment we're in, that will be what we're driving to. In terms of some of the other levers on the balance sheet, AR and AP specifically, we're going to manage both of those given the current environment.
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John Holmes32:26
Sorry, Mike, I was just going to add that we do expect to see opportunities as a result of this market dislocation, in terms of potential asset acquisition opportunities and potential M&A. We do see clearing out some of the competition that has come into the market, both from small players that may exit completely and very large players that may decide they want to focus on other things. We've been here a long time, we've seen versions of these things before, and a big reason why we maintain such a strong balance sheet is so that we can come out of situations like this even stronger.
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Michael Marley33:14
Yeah, John, I think that makes a lot of sense. On the parts trading, I genuinely think we might see some older inventory, older planes in service longer, but we still might see a reduced fleet. We could even see older planes be retired and excess parts in the marketplace, which may pressure pricing. Do we have to think about the prices of some of the inventory you're carrying, and do you guys optimally view that as a longer-term opportunity? Would you be opportunistic if you see some really attractive parts out there for some of the popular platforms, whether they're A320s or 737s, would you go after them if there is a near-term dislocation pricing in the marketplace?
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John Holmes33:57
Definitely, the answer is absolutely. We want to time that correctly because we're in a mode here where we need to see how things are going to shape out, but absolutely. And I would mention, we've talked about this for several quarters now: the demand for aftermarket material has far, far exceeded the supply in the last several quarters. So obviously you're going to have a meaningful decline in demand and an increase in supply, but given our position and the relationships we have and the network we have to get our hands on the best material out there, we should be in a position to fulfill more of it as a percentage than we had been able to in the past as a result of more material coming on the market. Our job is to make sure we time that correctly and make the right investments to get our hands on that choice material before anyone else.
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Michael Marley35:03
Helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Good luck here, guys. Thank you.
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Operator35:11
Next question comes from the line of Robert Spingarn from Credit Suisse.
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Robert Spingarn35:16
I wanted to come back in with two things. One, just on the back of Mike's question, maybe the opposite take: might some models essentially go out of service here, older models that might obsolesce some of the inventory?
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John Holmes35:31
Yes, that could happen.
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Robert Spingarn35:38
And are you exposed to anything in particular that would be notable if you had to write that off?
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John Holmes35:43
I wouldn't cite any asset class in particular at this point, but that's certainly something we're paying close attention to. A lot of the inventory that we carry is tied to long term contracts, and again, there was a bow wave of maintenance events where demand outstripped the amount of inventory that we could find. So even if you do see some early retirements or an overall decrease in demand, we feel pretty good about the inventory position that we've got right now.
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Robert Spingarn36:17
Okay. And then the other thing I wanted to go back to: you mentioned earlier what a potential spike in aircraft retirements might mean for the business. If you could elaborate on that a little bit and how you guys fit into that, because I think it's a less discussed area of the business at least recently. And then how customer behavior might be changing in terms of acceptance of USM.
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John Holmes36:50
I think it's important to remember that USM is a lower cost solution. In environments like this where airlines are really managing their cloths much more closely than they may have been before, you may see greater adoption of USM. That would be a fortunate development to the extent that we see greater USM on the right platforms become available on the market. That is a dynamic that we could see play out, and playing out in fast locations as well.
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Robert Spingarn37:27
Okay, thank you very much.
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Operator37:27
Next question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi from Stifel.
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Joseph DeNardi37:32
Thanks. John, just on the defense business, it sounds like it's more or less business as usual there. Is that right, or are you seeing some degree of labor disruption just from folks not being able to get where they need to be?
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John Holmes37:55
No, it's been as I mentioned. We had a very good quarter, and our defense government programs revenues were up meaningfully in the quarter, so it's largely business as usual. I'd add that the pipeline for us on the government side has continued to grow. Those awards take a long time due to the procurement process as well as the protest process inside the government, but we've built a great franchise. We're able to bid on more contracts than we ever have before because of our broad-based past performance portfolio, and I would expect to continue to see growth there, but it's going to come in chunks as these contracts are awarded over time.
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Operator38:40
Next question comes from the line of Michael Marley from SunTrust.
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Michael Marley38:48
Hey, thanks again for taking this one. John, just to follow up, you were kind of hitting on it with USM being lower cost and could see greater adoption. What are your thoughts on MRO right now given what you're seeing with the domestic carriers? You guys are usually a lower cost option. Do you think some of your customers reevaluate what they're doing in house right now, or do you think they're trying to support their workforce and employees? How do you think that evolves on the MRO side?
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John Holmes39:24
I think that's a good point. I think you could see some net new work coming onto the market. Given the environment, as airlines look to alter a union agreement or another contract that might allow them to outsource work, this is certainly a backdrop to do that. So we could see net new work come on the market. I would also expect that you may see some of the domestic competitors not make it through, so you could see, at least for a period of time, a contraction in the amount of available hangar space. While we're very focused and, as I mentioned, we've been in dialogue with the government about potential aid to preserve a workforce, to the extent that there are new mechanics on the market, we could be in a position to bring on a workforce to expand capacity to the extent that's necessary. But there are so many moving parts right now it's difficult to forecast how all that is going to play out. Right now we just want to make sure that we've got our cost base right-sized to support the demand that we see over the next few quarters.
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Michael Marley40:34
Got it. And what should we be thinking about labor risk? Obviously this is a pretty fluid environment, but do we see a quick downtick in labor rates, or how do you think that plays out?
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John Holmes40:54
I think it's a little early to speculate on that. I do think a lot of that has to do with what actions the government takes and what potential aid may be out there to preserve workforce. To the extent that there's not a bailout, you may see a supply of labor come onto the market that we haven't seen in several years, and it could impact labor rates. But right now it's pretty early to tell.
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Michael Marley41:19
Got it. All right, thanks guys, helpful.
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Operator41:28
Next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert from Concord.
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Ken Herbert41:33
Hey John, I appreciate the follow up. In the last couple of quarters, you've talked about PMA specifically as maybe a growth opportunity or area of investment. Do these recent developments change your thinking on that?
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John Holmes41:53
No, not as a long-term strategy. We continue to believe that that, as well as the inclusion of all commodity inclusion, greater intellectual property generally defined in our portfolio whether that's PMA, DER, digital, etc., all of that is part of the long-term strategy. That said, as you can imagine, we are taking a look at all of our investment projects right now and we're going to moderate those or pace those with how we see the demand for the core services unfolding.
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Ken Herbert42:26
Okay. And as we follow the various scenarios on potential bailouts for the airlines and other parts of the ecosystem, are there any specific aspects of that you're watching or that would be particularly helpful for AAR, whether it be on the parts supplier or the MRO side? As you watch this develop, what would you specifically be pushing for as part of some sort of bailout package?
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John Holmes43:01
Our conversations with the government — I've been personally involved in a lot of these over the last several days — our points are that a bailout or aid package needs to address more than just the airlines. It needs to address the broader aviation services industry, because companies like ours, particularly around heavy maintenance, are a vital link in keeping the aircraft in the United States flying. Many airlines outsource those activities and no longer have the capability. Given the tightness in labor that we've seen over the last few years, we want to make sure that to the extent there is a decrease in demand and technicians are let go from various companies, including our own, that as other industries recover faster than aviation, we don't lose those technicians to other industries. We want to make sure we preserve that heavy maintenance capability in particular in America. So our conversations have been largely around providing aid to companies like ours, either in the form of grants or loans with forgiveness, that would be directed towards preserving the workforce.
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Operator44:17
At this time, we have no questions on the phone line.
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John Holmes44:31
Okay, well again, thank you everybody for your interest and support, and we really appreciate the time.
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Operator44:36
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may not disconnect.