Balancing the Divine: Harmonizing Masculine and Feminine Energies with Therese Tucker

Oh yeah, I mean like Apple terms of service. Yeah, Apple terms of service. You get a credit card, you buy a car, you get a bank loan, you get a job. All these sorts of things. And then you go and use those things. It's not even implied consent. You open the door to the vampire and you didn't say yes, you may come in, but you grabbed him by the hand and brought him in. The action: you open the door to the vampire and he's like, 'Do you want this new iPhone?' and you were like, 'Yes, I do.' And he's like, 'Great, just click agreed terms of service.' And inside it's like, 'You will allow me into your space, to record what you are doing, and to watch you 24/7.' Yes, and they do that on purpose. That's the manipulation. And this is really egregious what has been allowed to happen. Especially I think technology is a big way. I'm sure that they've done it especially for our generation and forward. That is how to manipulate people. Here you are being offered something that is a computer in the palm of your hand, and you're so eager to get to use the product and experience the benefits. Convenience is another way they've wormed their way into our life. Everything was sold to us with this side of convenience. 'You don't have to do it yourself, we'll do it for you. We're going to manage your music and your movies for you, make it easier, now you have less clutter in your home.' But you don't realize that as you're doing that, you're owning less and less. You no longer own that as property. As we get more and more digital, it's leasing. That means they can take it away anytime they want. And we're so eager to continue to advance and move forward that we're really not stopping and looking at what are the consequences of this and what am I giving up in exchange for all this convenience and ease that I'm being promised.

In our world, I'm going to simplify this just to make it easier to talk about. It's more complex, but we're just going to look at the Law of One. They talk about the polarities. We have a positive polarity and a negative polarity. Can you still hear me? Once you start talking, you'll pause for a second and then you'll be back. I told my kids not to get on the computer, so hopefully the bandwidth is okay, but we're having a storm so it might cut in. So you mentioned the polarities and the Law of One. In the Law of One, they talk about the positive polarity, which is service to others, and the negative polarity, which is service to self. I would also equate that with a more Christian view of a battle of good and evil. I would put most of humanity, honestly 90% of humanity, within the neutral to positive range. Then there's a very minor 10%, maybe even less, that is of the negative polarity. It is very hard to achieve negative polarity, but that would create our quote-unquote bad guy. What the bad guy wants in this simple version of the story is divisiveness, because the negative polarity is about individualism. It is about the idea that you are separate. There is no God or unifying source to the negative polarity perspective. They see it much like the Sith in Star Wars. They see it as a hierarchy of power, and they're always reaching to be the top dog, always watching their backs because the ones behind them are coming up to stab them. There's no loyalty or fidelity within that negative polarity. So what they understand is division and separation, every man for himself. They want that to be reflected into humanity as well. So they work to be divisive. They want us fighting each other: Democrat fighting Republican, black fighting white, Christian fighting Muslim. Any way that they can create division, they're going to do that. I see it happening quite a bit on the Democratic side, this call for divisiveness. It's like, how can you segregate yourself even more, put these labels on yourself, and make yourself an even more separate group, and then use that as a type of power to have hierarchy over other people? The more separate you are, the more oppressed you are, the more weird power structure they seem to be developing. It gets to the point where I watch social commentary and social culture, and it's like they can't see. They have this blanket idea of who their opposition is, a conglomerate of hateful people who want to harm them, which is not based on any real person. It's just an amalgamation they've made so they can continue to hate and be afraid. Whereas when people with opposing beliefs sit down and have conversations with each other, we find out we're actually not that different. We might have a different take on it, or a different idea about a better solution, but ultimately we're people who want a better world. We're just having a hard time agreeing on what the path is. The beautiful thing is that when people continue to talk and have conversations, we do not escalate to the point where we see each other as hateful or opposite. Even in marriages, if you continue to talk, you can still see the person you're there with. It's when you stop seeing them that things can get really dark and escalate into places where it's like, 'I can't even believe I was with you.' I think conversations with people are hard. They also make it hard to have these conversations. We feel like it's almost dangerous to talk about different ideas because God forbid you say the wrong thing, or have a differing opinion than what is considered socially trendy or acceptable. They want to destroy you for that. That's not the light at work. The light doesn't work like that. Service to others is not service to others under these conditions. It's recognizing that you see yourself in me, and I see myself in you, and therefore we work in a way where we treat each other the way we'd like to be treated. We're using the golden rule, understanding that even though we are connected, we're having different experiences, but at our core we are of the one. We are of the light, we are of source, of God, whatever word works for you. There is something deep that connects us, and therefore we should treat each other with that level of love and respect regardless of what position you're coming from.

He can be a jackass. He pushes the limits on those things. He's never there in good faith. He's there to instigate. That's his stick, antagonistic. I don't know if you saw the previews of his new movie called 'Am I a Racist?' He goes into this discussion group with these people dealing with their white guilt, but they figure out who he is, and he's still antagonizing them. He's not there to sit down and say, 'What's really going on? Explain this. I genuinely don't understand this concept and I don't think I agree with it, but explain this to me.' He's totally trolling them to get a rise out of them, and then he's like, 'Oh look, they called the cops on me.' It's like, well, you're being an asshole. What did you think was going to happen? That's your stick. But at the same time, if you see people who are conservatives, independent journalists, who went to those pro-Palestinian protests over the summer, they would get mobbed and dragged out. I'm pretty sure a couple people got beat up. It was kind of brutal and a little bit scary. But if those people from the pro-Palestinian protests went to a Donald Trump rally, they'd be like, 'Bro, sit down, have a beer, have some funnel cake. You're weird, it's a stupid idea, but whatever, we're Americans.' That's what I mean by projection. They've gotten so fractalized within themselves, so wrapped up in a group identity, and allowed themselves to be so filled with anger that they think everybody else is coming back at them with anger. The problem is that on the political right, nine and a half times out of ten, that's where the KKK is going to be, that's where the white supremacists are going to be. Those folks reside there.

I see what you're saying. He's one of those characters who doesn't really represent everyone. I'd put him in the more extreme side. He's probably right on the cusp where it starts to turn a little bit more intense energetically. He works for Ben Shapiro. I don't like Ben Shapiro. Again, some of the things he says, I'm like, 'Okay, you're making some good points I didn't consider.' Other things, I'm like, 'Yeah, I don't agree with you on this. This is where I get off the bus because you just lost me.' But one of the things I was thinking about is that you talked about how we need the polarities in order for the center to sustain. Sort of like a guitar string has to be secured on either side and have tension on it in order to make music. But the analogy I was thinking about is airplanes. In order for an airplane to fly, it has to have four different forces operating on it constantly or else it falls out of the sky. You have to have lift, but then it has to have gravity because without gravity, lift would just... And you have to have thrust, but then you also have to have drag because if you have just thrust, it'll disintegrate. So you have to have the balance of lift and gravity, thrust and drag for an aircraft to be able to move through the air.

That's beautiful. That's such a great metaphor. I think it aptly describes this human experience we're having. One of the things I get in my channelings all the time, and this is not a new concept, I'm not claiming credit for coming up with this, but we're living in a simulation. The way my team talks about it, it's an advanced graduate school. There are actually lines of souls waiting to get into this because it is quite... When you graduate, you move on from the school. You don't repeat the school. You get to move forward and advance on a spiritual level. If you liken what we're going through right now to a video game, it's the best way to understand it. Here you are, you've chosen an avatar, you've chosen your skill sets. The catalyst is set for you. You don't actually get to choose the catalyst really. I mean, you choose it by the path you choose, but there is catalyst within the game. There are dragons to slay, monsters to fight. It's already pre-designed in the game. So this whole idea that we have to stop the game or stop these points of contention or stress or the tension you were talking about, this is a futile task. It's not so much about preventing this catalyst from happening. It's about recognizing where your power is in this game. The power is in the choices that you are making. It's in how you're deciding whether or not to react or respond, and how you play the game. So many people are focused on, 'Well, this negative thing is here and this is causing the problem.' I'm like, no, it's by design. These catalysts might look different for every version of the game, but ultimately they're there. If you look into periods of history, it's kind of weird. It's like, 'Oh my gosh, we're overlapping, we're repeating history in some weird ways.' People feel that. It's because it's the design of the game. It's the catalyst. The crazy part is we've played this game probably many times because it's very advanced. It's an advanced graduate program. You have to keep going in the game until you've advanced enough on that spiritual level. It's kind of like... I'm terrible at video games. I remember playing Mario Brothers with my brother. He was just through the levels, and I couldn't get past level three. I was like, 'Damn, have to start all over again. Die at level three, go back to the very beginning. Master those first two levels, feel pretty confident, but you get stuck somewhere and you keep repeating the game.' There's something about living in this world where you're like, 'This is oddly familiar.' It's not just because I've been told this in history. On a deep level, you're like, 'Oh wait, here we are.' Right now, the way my team talks about it, we really are at the boss level. You can feel this is big. It's not just an election. It's about the exposure. It's about almost disclosure is upon us in a big way. That's going to be way bigger than just an ordinary election. It's going to be the eye opener that's really going to change the world.

What a beautiful contemplation. I just want to give you kudos for that because this is deep work you're doing here. You're activating and reaching in on a soul level. I would never assume to tell you what you should do, but I can share with you what resonates for me. If it resonates for you, I hope it helps. This whole period is activated. We activate through the open heart. This is why it's so exciting. Wait, say that again. This whole period, you said we activate through the open heart. Here's why I'm excited. Everything about right now is making you want to close your heart. It's so easy to close your heart right now. There's so much hatred and anger. 'You're disgusting because you're this or you're not enough of that.' There are just so many reasons to shut your heart down. The power in this time, that power you want to activate, is the power of love. But it's the power of being courageous enough to keep your heart open when everything makes you want to shut it down. This is why it's the boss level. It is the ultimate test. Can you keep your heart open, especially to people you don't agree with, especially to people who are vile to you in some way? They want to insult you, tell you what an awful person you are for your values or your belief system. They want to make you feel so small in this period. What will be so easy is to shut your heart down and just be like, 'Fuck you to everyone. I hope you have this horrible experience.' What is true of a light worker, a spiritual warrior, a star seed, or just a beautiful soul, is that ability to keep your heart open. That might look like a lot of questions. 'I wonder what happened in your own life that made you think that this is true. I wonder what pain you're in right now that would cause you to say such hateful and discriminatory things. I wonder what you're so afraid of.' These questions don't necessarily give you a direct answer to their experience, but they do cause you to have compassion. When you have compassion, your heart opens. When you have forgiveness, your heart opens. When you want to understand, your heart opens. Then ultimately, there's that unconditional love. I remember going through the pandemic when there were such extreme sides. I remember making my choices based on what felt right in my soul. It wasn't the popular choices. I was very much on the outside, but I was like, 'This is what feels right in my soul.' Everyone around me was making the other choices. I had family members saying horrible things about unvaccinated people, calling them stupid and idiotic, wishing them dead. I'm sitting in the room right next to them, not vaccinated. I could have easily decided, 'You're horrible people, I don't want to have anything to do with you,' and shut it down. Instead, in my heart, I was like, 'You must really be afraid. You must truly be afraid to feel so convinced that you're right and everyone else is wrong. The terror you must live in from day to day. You must really be concerned.' My heart actually went out to them. They were saying horrible things right in front of me. I just remember thinking, 'That must be hard to be in so much fear every day, so afraid of the world right now.' I remember saying mostly to myself in prayer, 'God, I don't understand on a human level. I don't understand their choices. I feel like they're not using their critical thinking. On a human level, I really don't understand. But on the soul level, I trust their souls. I believe this is serving them on a soul level in a way that even though I might not understand it, I can love them and respect them for it. What I would like is the freedom to make my own choices, so I'm wishing that for them as well.' In doing that, you immediately calm down and stop taking it personally. It stops being a personal attack because you're no longer feeling like they're on the other side from you. You're trying to understand their perspective while not adopting it. If you can do those things in this time, that will tell you exactly what you need to do. If your goal is to keep your heart open during a very intense period where it would be so much easier to keep it closed, I think what comes through is first of all, your intuition actually comes from your heart center. Your heart picks things up at least a full eight seconds before they happen. When we close our hearts, we block our own intuition. When your heart is open, you're highly intuitive. When your heart's closed, not so much. Also, I know that the age of ascension is connected to the fourth density. The fourth density is the rate of consciousness that we vibrate at, connected to the fourth chakra, and the fourth chakra is the heart. In Tibetan culture, they talk about this all the time. They say ascension comes through the open heart. Those who ascend or move or graduate, get to a higher spiritual level, will have done it simply through being able to keep their heart open. The test period really is going to make you feel like everything around you makes you want to close it.

I'm going to go where you're going to go. Okay, so now for me, I don't believe in... how do I say this? I don't like the creation story, you know, like there's God in the garden and there's the devil in the garden, and all that kind of stuff. I don't believe that there's a Satan who's ruling over hell and a god who's ruling. Those are constructs that we have. But I do believe in higher and lower vibrations. I do believe in consequences. I do believe in strong egos and the collective subconscious, and then the ego of the collective subconscious, which would also naturally exist within that. And I also don't think that the Christian and Evangelical interpretation of the Fall of Adam and Eve necessarily being a bad thing. I don't agree with that either. I think it was an inevitable thing that had to happen. Sure. And I also studied narcissism, and I'm also kind of in the mindset of maybe the serpent in the garden wasn't the bad guy in the first place, right? You know, he's like, 'God told you...' But I don't think that the appeal of the tempter, the serpent, however you conceptualize that, to the woman was to her weak will, but it was her sense of compassion and her sense of equality and her sense of fairness. And I had a conversation with a lady, Dr. Rizzy, and we talked a little bit about compassion. But I don't think she would agree with me on this, but to me, compassion can be weaponized. Yes, you're watching that. Yes, it can. Because to me, compassion... I think that we tend to think of compassion as being a beneficial thing, a benevolent emotion. You have compassion and it's a benevolent emotion. I would rate it as a higher emotion, meaning from the higher heart. But I think that compassion with niceness is very, very different from compassion with kindness. Well, what we're not seeing is compassion with discernment. And you have to be able to discern between those two things. Like that story about East Coast versus West Coast. On the West Coast, they're nice but not kind, and on the East Coast, they're kind but not nice. Oh my gosh, I'm from Washington and I lived in New York for 11 years. I freaking love New York. I'll tell you why. West Coast is very passive-aggressive, East Coast aggressive. It's like if they're mad at you, they tell you right away. It's in your face, but they also get over it and it's not a feeling they're holding on to. Where on the West Coast, they'll be nice to your face and see the underneath. So I find it actually healthier. The joke goes that in California, people will see you with a flat tire and be like, 'Oh man, that's totally so bad, dude. I'm so sorry you got a flat tire,' and then just drive away. But in New Jersey, you'll get a flat tire and they'll be like, 'You idiot, why'd you get a flat tire? Blah blah blah, you can't handle it,' but then they'll get out and change the tire for you and chew you out the whole time. Because they're kind but not nice. On the West Coast, they're nice but not kind. So if you take those two concepts and apply them to compassion, then you have compassion with niceness. Compassion with niceness, in my view, is just completely destructive. I agree. But compassion with kindness, like I can be compassionate to my dog when she has fleas and I have to put her in the bath and comb her and give her the medicine she hates all of it. But I'm being compassionate with kindness. And only your act, though, is actually an act of love because with the fleas on the dog, the dog's getting blood and getting sick and suffering. You have to do something that might feel extreme to the dog, but you know you're actually loving the dog more and taking care of it. So absolutely, I get that. And so many things you said I agree with. Oh, can I sorry, um, last thought and then... Oh my God. All right, the last thought is that this to me sounds like what adult love looks like. And I don't mean adult in an erotic or that kind of way. I mean just becoming an adult, becoming a fully mature human being. That's what adult love looks like. And I think that we live in a generation of people who never learned how to become adults and to express adult love because some of that expression of adult love has to come through the masculine energy. It has to come through the father figure in the home, through the Republican in the White House. It has to come through that tough love that has to be there. And that's the compassion with kindness. And what we're experiencing now is this childlike love where you don't want the kitty cat to feel bad, so you're not going to get it neutered, and then you're going to have freaking cats everywhere, just cats everywhere. Oh my gosh. And then I make JD Vance even crazier because then you get all these single cat ladies. And I have to say, it's like, oh my gosh, why did they have to claim cat ladies? Because I've only grown up with cats and I'm like, yeah, I claim cat. But anyway, okay, so much good stuff you've said. I'm trying to unpack it as I go.

Sometimes it is, in my experience, stronger. That's not true. Women who don't have children, the people that JD Vance was talking about, have what's the word I'm looking for? It's broader. If you don't have your own children that you can laser focus that energy on, and you haven't disciplined that, that's not the right word, but if you don't have a definite place to focus that energy on, then it just kind of glows out there and anything that falls into that space is going to be like, 'Oh, I'm going to care for that now.' Well, as it happens, cats. So it's absolutely waiting to activate. It's deep within our primal nature. It's not something that we can control. And you don't know how strong it is. I mean, when I first became a mother, I was a little bit blown away by how intense my desire to protect became. I had no idea I was capable of that level of intensity of protection. I remember I was living in New York at the time, in Brooklyn, and I was pushing my daughter in her stroller around the park, and some guy on his bicycle was flying by like a speed demon and came in too close. And I just started barking, 'Watch where you're going!' I would never even normally notice that. I'd be like, 'Wow, that guy went fast.' But I was just like, protection. You almost took out my kid. And that kind of intensity of energy, that was when she was really new, and I was just like, 'Whoa, where did that come from?' It wasn't even thought. It just came out of me. So strong because it's the urge to protect. And it's an instinctual feeling. So yes, I think that it's in all women. And if it's not tapped into, like you're talking about, it's being directed at something you're taking care of or nurturing specifically and desiring to protect, it can get tapped into emotionally. And it's not something that you could be a very rational person, very rational woman, and get that tapped into and not realize that it's activating. And even if you have kids, this isn't exclusive to women without children. Women with children, you can still tap into that. It's a little bit... The thing that's not working here is that children are sort of a target right now. So you might find a lot of women with children are like, 'No, we stop at the kids. That's a hard boundary for me.' Hard boundary. You know Marianne Williamson, right? Yes. I absolutely love her. But when she was campaigning for president, she was talking about how that same energy has been mis-focused, and the things that we're allowing to happen to the children of the world is just completely unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. And she was talking about wars and famines and homelessness and poor education and poor nutrition. And she's at the stage of her life now where she's a grandmother. I don't know if she is, but she's certainly in that age bracket. And because of her, she's one of these women I think that that response within her is huge. She is just a larger than life personality, so it makes sense. And she's worked with so many people and counseled so many people and seen so much heartbreak and raised her daughter to be a certain way and is just so full of compassion and love and so open. What her call in that interview or discussion that she had was saying that now is the time for the women of the world to move into that sacred feminine energy and say, 'Enough is enough. We can't keep doing this anymore. We can't keep allowing these things to happen.' And we need to harness that energy. And oh, you know what? Okay, so check this out. Here's what I think she was getting at. Is that we've allowed a masculine interpretation of feminine energy rather than insisting upon a feminine interpretation of feminine energy. And so the thing that a lot of people point the finger at, they want to push back against the patriarchy. But I think a lot of people in their mind, they think of the patriarchy as men. They picture men in suits in corporate offices making decisions about things. Oh, sorry, hold on one moment. Hey guys, Maddie, Tristen, can you be a little quieter, please? Thank you. Sorry, got a little spicy back there and I had to... Okay, so you were saying we were thinking of patriarchy as like men in suits, predominantly male. So you saw this in the 1980s where when women started joining the workforce, they showed up in pantsuits and they dressed like the men that they were trying to move into this masculine environment. So they wanted to dress the part and then it just became this weird domineering authoritarian. It just didn't fit. I'm glad the 80s are over kind of vibe. But it was like trying to... And we still see this in the movies today. We see this in the feminist movement today. We're just trying to take male roles and shove a woman into it and saying this is what feminism is, when that's not what feminism was ever intended to be. Because when you do that, then it becomes corrupted and it can become evil and it can become compassion with niceness rather than compassion with kindness. And I think what Marianne was getting at is that we need to put that aside and say, 'No, we're moving into a period where the feminine is going to be becoming the dominant. We're moving into the Age of Aquarius. And it is a time for the divine feminine to come forward. But we can't do it in a man's body. It has to be through...' What's interesting is the sign of Aquarius, which is that age that we're in now, we're starting it already, but it's actually about emotional detachment. There is a lot of emotional detachment when it comes to Aquarius because one of our spiritual principles, the channelings that have been coming through, have been talking about it's time for you guys to learn how to do this because these attachments that we have keep us locked into these lower frequencies. And emotional detachment does not mean without love. It means that everything here... So again, let's go back to what's really happening. Emotional abuse and manipulation on a grand scale. And why it is that women seem to be really kind of holding the space for this because they're being manipulated and to some degree abused, ultimately at their own deficit. It's actually affecting us. I don't know if you know this, but Johns Hopkins University changed the definition of lesbian but did not change the definition of gay. So gay means a man who loves another man, and now a lesbian means a non-man who loves other non-men. So women are gone. They're slowly changing language and taking women out of it. And unfortunately, this is all being ushered in by the emotional support of predominantly women. But this falls back into the same thing about the attack against women that the evangelicals have talked about. It's the eradication of womanhood. The question is why. That's where we see it now. The question I want to answer is why is it happening? Why is it women that are getting attacked when women are so willing to hold the space? I'm so willing to hold this space for you and allow it. Why is it ultimately women are being attacked? And my feeling is because, and this isn't having a big head or anything, but women bring life. And we need men to do it. We can't do it by ourselves. But we are proof that God exists. Women are proof that God exists because, on a scientific level, these cells meet and then they divide and divide and divide, but it's still life being created inside the feminine. Whether it's the feminine woman or the feminine seal or giraffe or cat, it's happening inside. And there is an experience of being pregnant with a child that is mystical. I remember going through that and just being like, 'I cannot believe this is happening. I have no control over this. This is happening and it's changing and my body is adapting and my bones can turn to sponge to allow for something to come through me that's like... I didn't notice anything that big can go through that small of a space.' I remember watching the videos at the birthing center at the hospital and they'd show us, 'Okay, this is your pelvic bone and this is how it changes and becomes sponge-like so that it can open without breaking.' And they're showing it to us and I'm like, 'Oh my God, that's literally happening inside me. I'm transmuting and changing on some level.' Are you okay? It's powerful. Down the wrong way. I hope you... But it's... I mean, this is the thing that keeps coming up. I'm sorry to cut you off, but the thing that keeps coming up in my mind is the spirit of antichrist. Sure, yeah. And again, I was raised in the Christian community, so that has a lot of connotations for the Christian community. A lot of people think about the mark of the beast and blah blah blah, or they're looking for the Antichrist to be a dude who comes from Shaban or somewhere. But the more I come to understand this stuff, the more that I see that the spirit of antichrist... So if Christ is consciousness, if Christ consciousness is the thing that came forward and was embodied in the person of Christ or in the person of Babaji or Lord Krishna, if that was the thing that manifested forward and said, 'Here I am,' that would be Christ consciousness. But then that would also be the unreal. That would be the 'I am' at a singular point, pushing through and saying, 'No, I am the I am. Here I am among you. Listen to what I'm trying to say.' That entity, whatever that personage was, would have been completely connected to the masculine and the feminine, the yin and the yang, the unreal and the real. So that would mean that the spirit of antichrist would have to be, by definition, strictly matter. I would agree. So it's the lack. So in duality, because the only place the Antichrist exists is within duality, it is the absolute vacuum, no Christ consciousness, the absolute lack of illumination. So to me, it's anything that has to do with strict materialism, but then going a step further and trying to emulate and duplicate the natural abilities and tendencies of divinely and naturally created entities through the strict manipulation of matter. So in other words, it's artificial intelligence. It's trying to take silicone and digits and ones and zeros and then trying to make something that is a human. Trying to take something, it's transhumanism. It's that energy because it's the Christ energy that moves through and creates. So now if you are a person within that spirit of antichrist, then you're going to be taking the matter that's around you and denying what's behind it, denying the spirit that's behind it, and then just trying to take the matter and make something of your own to be worshiped and held on high and to glorify man instead of... Listen, I sound like an evangelical. What is happening to me? Here's the thing though. I truly believe, I'm not a religious person, but the reason religions were even formed is because there is truth in it. Now there's also been manipulation, just like every other institution. I do not feel like there's a space that's sacred completely anymore. There is a sacred space, I should say. It's inside of you. That's the sacred space that cannot be compromised unless you allow it. But as far as our external institutions, there's corruption everywhere, but they also have truth. You can't dismiss it. So you might sound like, 'Oh my gosh, I sound like an evangelical Christian,' but you're speaking the part that resonates. Because absolutely, I mean, look at what's happening. They were offering free abortions and vasectomies outside the DNC. This is neutering people. Well, what does that do? It means no procreation. And it's not that I believe everybody has to make babies. You get to do what you want. It's your life. But it's just weird that we have this real strong emphasis on neutering. 'Here, go get a free vasectomy and a taco. Here, take this vaccine and get a free burger, but you're also going to be sterilized.' There's a strong percentage you're going to get sterilized. 'Here, let's give our children hormone blockers. They're reversible.' No, they're not. They're sterilization. So even if they stop them, they're now also sterilized. There's a real dark agenda to stop procreation. And if you go down the rabbit holes, you understand that a big part of the New World Order is depopulation. They want to limit the number of human beings on this planet because we're at numbers that are too hard for them to control. So if they want to have that kind of global control, they need to get rid of pretty much 75% of us in order to be able to play that out. I think people forget how important the Declaration of Independence was to the world when it first came out. And I think we also forget that we the people of the United States of America are still we the people. We're still here. We didn't go anywhere. We're blessed. Honestly, we are a blessed country. We're not perfect and we've got a lot of things we got to fix, but we are powerful. And we also have a level of protection on us. You see countries like Australia, love my Australian friends, they're awesome people, but they are not protected. They do not have the levels of protection we have. UK, we're seeing it right now. They do not have the levels of protection we have. I have friends in Canada. They're cutting out their ability to buy natural supplements for themselves. They're trying to make it illegal to buy your vitamins. Our food supply is so damaged and a lot of people have to supplement to stay at a certain level of health. In Canada, they're getting that taken away. They do not have the level of protection we have. And if we don't choose well, if we're not choosing the people who want to protect that, we will also lose that level of protection. So you might not like the guy, but I'm going to pick the guy who wants to protect that because that ensures that not only are we protected, our kids are protected, and there's a good chance that that will continue. Because that's an expensive thing to get back. I don't believe it comes back honestly. If we lose that, that was part of the 16-year plan. I don't know if you're familiar with that. The 16-year plan was originally to... Oh God, we're going into conspiracy territory. I don't know if you want to go there or not. I just wanted to hear about your team. That's the only thing I wanted to talk about. Going into the deep... But the plan is... Wait, it's been two hours already? Are you kidding me? It's 6:30. Oh, do you need to stop? Because if we need to stop, we should stop. No, I had no idea. I was like, it's probably like 45 minutes. So you can cut this out too. I'll just share it with you, and if you're like, 'Whoa, this is way too much,' cut it out. Feel free. But it starts with... Okay, so you can look up the 16-year plan. I don't know if you can look it up on Google. You probably wouldn't get it there. But it was to start with Obama. Obama was going to get eight years, and he was going to get the weapons away from the people. And that's why during Obama's time, we had the most mass shootings in our country ever. Because the mass shootings were the false flags that would guarantee that bills would go through Congress that would allow them to try to eradicate the Second Amendment. Thankfully, that didn't happen. At the time, I was an Obama voter, and I was like, 'Guns are bad.' I was totally brainwashed by that. Now I'm on a completely different side. I don't own any weapons, but I'm like, 'Thank you to the people who do. Thank you for keeping your sovereignty because you are the last line of defense between us and a tyrannical government takeover.' So thank God. But the idea was in the first eight years, he was supposed to get the guns away from the people. The next eight years were going to be Hillary Clinton back to back. And what that was supposed to do was usher in... So once you get the weapons away from the people, then you take us into a war. The war is fake, the death is real. It was going to be like a nuclear scare attack on the United States. We were going to go down. This would allow for a foreign government to come in and cancel our Constitution, and then that would be the end of that. And we would have a large population depopulation because again, the war would be fake, but the weapons and the casualties would be real. And that was apparently the 16-year plan. And the white hats, if you will, because they talk white hat, black hat type thing, but there's an alliance that goes across party. In the real configuration of what's going on behind the scenes, there are the baddies and the goodies, or the black hats and the white hats, and then there's neutral players, they call them gray hats. But this alliance is not based on party. It is based on principle. And they were the ones who interceded and were like, 'This has to stop here because if it doesn't, we're all screwed. This is the end of the line.' And then you introduce Trump. Trump is the figure that breaks up this 16-year plan and stops it from happening. And they didn't see it coming. It was sort of that they allowed for Trump to be in because they were like, 'This is a joke. This guy's never going to get the job.' So Hillary Clinton was pretty cocky about it because she was like, 'This is a joke. You mean the guy who says 'You're fired' is going to be the president?' And then the tables were turned and he gets in thanks to the electoral college. And then she's baffled because she was promised it. It was rigged. She was supposed to get it. And so it threw them on their ass. And while he was in there, he puts in all these executive orders, an interestingly large amount of executive orders that go after people who are human trafficking. And the fallout if you get caught being part of human trafficking, what will happen to you? You lose your properties, you lose the money. The monies go back to those who have been victimized. There's all these things in place. And interestingly enough, when you see all this happening, if you're caught as a part of this, there is heavy consequences to you. Well, suddenly you hear names like Rothschild at the same time as this executive order comes out, and they're selling property, a lot of property, and they're selling stocks. And it's like, 'Hmm, are they selling them or have they been seized?' Because we've got... There's just so much. So there's this really intense rabbit hole to go down with information, and it starts to feel like what's happening on the surface is just a movie. Nothing that's happening up here that people are seeing who don't know what's going on behind the scenes, it's like a facade. And so when you start seeing it this way and you're watching it, it's hard to get reactive to it because you're like, 'Oh my God, they're just playing the part exactly the way that you have discovered they were going to play it.' So it makes sense if really what the Democratic side wants, where most of the operatives are the negative operatives, they do want depopulation. They want to break apart the United States and create that one world government. And you can start to see it if you step back far enough. You're like, 'It is really weird that you are really pushing for all this sterilization. Why is that? Why is that the sign of progressing? Suddenly doing all these things that are radical and affecting our bodies in ways where we can't recover.' And that's just one thing to notice. And meanwhile, on the surface, to keep you distracted and from seeing it, because if you were to pause for a moment and just have your senses about you, not be emotionally tapped into but actually be in the other side of your brain which is critical thinking, and you start questioning things, suddenly the story doesn't quite add up. So in order to keep you from doing this, I have to keep you emotionally traumatized. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to stage a bunch of events. I'm going to have a black man murdered right before an election season, and I'm going to have riots right before an election season. And I'm going to do all these things that will keep you emotionally upset because if you're not aware of the game that's being played, you don't see it coming. So it constantly feels to the average person like a barrage and a shock. 'Why is this keep happening?' Keeping them angry and upset and confused, and then you can feed them any line you want to. It's what they did with the pandemic as well. Keep them upset, keep them fearful, keep them angry. Have these death tolls which, years later, we're told, 'Oops, we got that wrong.' Of course they did. But keep you upset so you don't question. Because one of the questions I had, one of the first questions was, 'If this is so deadly that you're asking me to Clorox my food, why is it that there aren't PPE protocols for discarding of the masks? And why don't we have biohazard bins everywhere?' Instead, what I'm seeing are masks littered on the ground literally in my neighborhood, just everywhere. And I'm like, 'If that is full of toxins that are so easily transmitted, I'm in danger. And yet no one's cleaning these up.' The people who are homeless, who have the lowest immune system, they would be dead on the ground. I'm so glad that didn't happen. But if it were real, we'd have dead people everywhere. And you know that they would show that to us because that would reinforce the agenda. So when you start thinking critically, you start seeing the holes and the flaws in the mirage that they're presenting to us. It stops making sense. It stops being something where you're ideologically driven, and you start going, 'Wait a minute, I feel like I'm being lied to. Something feels really off here.' For example, we've got Kamala Harris saying to us that she's going to stop price gouging. I think she meant gouging, and I think she said 'gauging.' But she said stop the price... It was an honest mistake. But they were like, 'Oh, she doesn't even know what gauging means.' She's in office right now, so she's talking about all these things that she would do, and I'm just like, 'Hello everybody, please stop and look around. Who's the vice president at this time? Who's technically in control? Because they basically wheeled Biden off in a wheelbarrow, and now it's just her. And she could fix it right now, but she's talking like in the future, 'If I have the chance, I'll fix it.' And it's like, red flag. She's not going to do anything. It's going to be status quo. I don't even think it's going to be her. I do not. I think they're going to bait and switch again. Because oh yeah, they can do whatever the f*** they want. They can 25th Amendment Biden, put Kamala Harris in the presidential spot because that's exactly what would happen. And then she can bring in a VP, and they can say at the last minute, 'Waltz is not the guy. Oh, he's lied about too many things and we just realized we need somebody with more integrity in place. And oh, here's Michelle Obama.' It's like, okay, here we go. So yeah, I know it sounds far-fetched and really out there, but let's just see what happens. So far, this whole thing has played out exactly like I said it would play out back in 2020, and so none of it has surprised me. And so what I mean... I think I'd be a little bit confused. It would not surprise me at all if they did that at the last minute and just put Michelle in there. Well, they're always testing the threshold to see, 'Will we consent?' And notice how instead of pushing back, the Democratic base didn't push back and go, 'Whoa, you didn't give us a chance to choose. We don't like her. Nobody voted for her before. I don't want her now. She's done nothing in office.' None of them can say what she has accomplished in the four years she's been there. So instead of them pushing back and going, 'No, we want to choose who's going to represent us,' instead they went like gushing fans at a Taylor Swift concert. So you can see the manipulation. You can see that there is a distraction that's going on that's keeping them from noticing what they just did, which is they chose for you. That was not democratic for people who are pushing the word democracy so much. There was no democracy when they were saying Trump getting Trump in office would be like the end of our democracy, and then they take Kamala and shove her in there. But that's the whole thing about projection that I was saying before. It just seems like there's a lot of projecting going on. So what have they really talked about to keep the base riled up? They talk about how awful Trump is and what a monster this man is, and they just kind of repeat the things that they know will get them riled up and angry. And so even though they're not presenting any solutions or telling you what their policies are going to be, they allude to this big change that's coming. And really, she's a Marxist. Did you hear that whole 'looking to the future, unburdened by the past'? That's a Marxist statement. So they're putting out all this Marxist dogma, and it sounds good. Equity for everyone sounds good. But what are they going to do to create that? They're going to create a socialist system, which means that remember when we were talking about meritocracy way back when, where it was based on your effort? They actually did these studies. A college professor took his class and he did an experiment where he was like, 'Instead of having that bell curve where you're graded on the curve, so you always have the top percent who are the really hard workers who get the A-pluses, and then you have the slackers at the bottom, but most people are at that curve. He said, 'Instead of doing that, we're going to average it out. So the average of the class is going to be the grade.' So now the people at the bottom are like, 'Yes,' because they don't have to do anything and their grade goes up. But now the hard workers at the front who are getting the A+, they initially did the same level of work, but they saw their grade go down. And what happened is they lost morale and they went, 'F*** it. If I put in all this effort but I don't get a better grade, what is the point?' When they stopped putting in the effort, everybody went down. So the hardest workers were not compensated for their efforts, and they lost the will to do it. And then everybody suffered because of that. So notice that the people at the bottom who could have brought the grade up more did not pick up the slack. They just kept coasting, and everybody suffered. And that's what it means when you are talking about equity. So she keeps using that word, 'needs to be equitable.' And it's like, no, we want equality. We want equal opportunities for advancement. We want equal opportunities to progress in life. But we don't want equity because what that means is no matter how hard you work, you're going to get the same as everyone else. And if the people who put in the least effort continue to do that, everybody else gets dragged down. It's not the top pulling them up because there's no more incentive to be at the top. We lose that. And so the group suffers, and that ends up becoming what we see with socialist economies in other countries. We have people who flee those countries looking for an opportunity like what we're providing here in America because it was hell. No matter how hard you worked, life did not improve for you. There's a lady, she's an African woman, and she wrote a book. I forget exactly what, but she's touring around, and she's talking about how the African nations suffer so much and they remain poor. And she couldn't figure out why because they have the natural resources, they have the population, they have the education, people are healthy and intelligent. You have all the resources that you should be able to do it. But the problem is that all those nations are so incredibly over-regulated that nobody can just start a business. And there's no... Nobody can do it. So it's not until she... She grew up in, I forget which country, Nigeria area maybe, but she left and went to Germany, and she was just blown away by paved roads and traffic lights and running water inside a building. And she was like, 'Why don't we have that stuff back there? These people here aren't any better than the people back home. Why do they have it and we don't?' And it took her a long, long time to figure that out, but it's because of all the regulation that people can't just start a business and then start to thrive. And plus, there's corruption. But all that kind of ties into that. And then there's also that story of the first settlers who came over on the Mayflower in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And their initial thought was, 'We're all holy people, and we're going to grow, and everybody will get a fair share.' What is it? 'From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.' But what happened to that first Mayflower settlers is that they almost didn't survive that first winter because the people who were lazier didn't do enough work, and the people who were more motivated were like, 'Why? Because I'm going to have to give all my food to that guy who's not doing anything. So why should I do anything?' And then they all ended up collectively suffering and almost not making it through the first winter. And that's when they said, 'Okay, this has to be a fundamental thing that we change. It has to be that whatever you produce, you get to keep the proceeds of that.' But at the same time, I feel like going back to earlier in the conversation, we've got this fundamental divorce going on, and we've forgotten how to find the balance. Because you touched on it earlier. Capitalism is the economic model. Who was it that said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones? I think it was Winston Churchill. That's a very Churchillian thing to say. And capitalism is the worst economic model except for all the other ones. It's an imperfect model. It's not a perfect model. But it gives the most opportunity, and it is based predominantly on your efforts. But the thing is, we still have to be able to... You think of capitalism as the masculine and socialism as the feminine. You still have to have the masculine and feminine entities. So in my home, I'm the breadwinner. I make the money and I bring it home and I give it to Kelly. Like that old story, if you give a woman food, she'll give you a meal. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her your seed, she'll give you a child. If you give her grief, she's going to give you lots more grief. Because that's the thing about the feminine. It's not just receptive. It's receptive and multiplying. I agree with that. But the thing is, just to finish this thought and then I'll be quiet, there has to be that same balance between capitalism and socialism. You have to be able to raise the money to give it to the socialists to have the social safety nets. You have to be able to make gobs and gobs of money to be able to have nationalized health care. But see, here's the thing. With your example, which I love, Kelly, who you bring the bacon home to, is also working in your best interest. And so she sees that taking care of you is also taking care of her. And that's the system we need. Our current social system is a fake social system. We don't really have one that's actually working in the best interest of the people. So it will take the funding and then it's going to funnel it to a foreign country and then launder it and it's going to end up back in the pockets of people who are saying, 'Oh, I really care about you.' It's still the problem with that system is that we're too easily working for someone else's self-interest, and then they're going to say... Because again, socialism requires a larger government, and a larger government is dangerous because it might start out great. I think most social systems, in order to get them to work or to get people to agree with it, have to... In the beginning, it's like, 'Oh, we're going to help. We're going to provide you health care and transportation services and supplemental incomes and things like that.' People are like, 'Wow, that sounds great. Who wouldn't want that?' And it's like, yeah, who wouldn't want that? Until the government then after a while goes, 'You know what? We realize you really don't need that much, so we're going to restrict. Now you don't need that extra income. In fact, we're going to have to tax you more on that, so we're just going to not give it to you. And then we're going to lower your taxes, but suddenly your life is getting a little harder. They're holding that money still. So they would take it from you through either the taxes or withholding, but in any case, they're holding it, you're not. And it just continues to get more suppressive because they're not working in the best interest of people. And how do you regulate that body if they're saying, 'No, we're the regulators and we're the ones producing it'? We just got effed right there. But what do they do? We've seen this happen. The Soviets did this. The Chinese did this. Mao did this. It's got a real... The resources start to dwindle and dwindle and dwindle, and they see the population, but the richer get richer. What they do is they eliminate the population. Well, that's the only way. Chairman Mao slaughtered 30 million people. It's horrible. The Soviets lost count of how many hundreds of millions of people died in the gulags because they don't even know how many people died. Because it sounds great, but then once it starts to go, the government has no choice. They're like, 'Well, we got too many people, so we're going to have to...' I think it was Jordan Peterson who talked about how in a society, there is at least 5 to 7% psychopaths in it, and most of those people find their ways to positions of power. So now we're talking about this good faith system of 'Trust me, I'll take care of you.' But then you get those psychopathic people in there, and that's the last thing they want for you. They're not there for you. They're there for themselves. And I think it was also Jordan Peterson who talked about that's why you need to have disagreeable people in a society because it actually keeps the psychopaths in check. And when you have a larger portion of disagreeable people, the number of psychopathic people in a society actually goes down to somewhere between 3 to 5% instead of 5 to 7. So we need systems that create that friction, like you were talking about with the airplane. We need opposing forces to actually keep that small percentage of people who always find their ways to positions of power because they're drawn to it. We need to have ways to keep them in check. And you need to minimize their impact. You can't totally get rid of them, but by shrinking down a government and being more responsible for your own needs, it's a way to protect yourself from those who would ultimately take those needs and use them against you. So which to me is why we've seen the drop in testosterone levels among men. Remember the protests in the 1960s? There was at Berkeley, this black and white video of this guy screaming, 'When the machine gets too onerous, you have to throw your body onto the gears of the machine.' And it's this incredibly articulate argument that he's making, and he's very passionate. But today, you have people that are like, 'I'm queer for Palestine.' It's not the same level of intellect that's going in. Well, see, now I do believe... I mean, just... Okay, sorry, go ahead. Just to touch on a quick point because you make a good point. Testosterone again. Like I said, they're attacking women for our ability to procreate. They're attacking men in that way too, but specifically attacking the testosterone because if you weaken a man on the hormonal level, the fire inside him to fight back starts to die. He becomes less disagreeable. And men are the protectors. Men are actually a large portion of that disagreeable force that we need. We need them to bristle and be like, 'Uh, no, this is too far. This is my space. You stay over there in your space.' Because again, if you have too much feminine energy and it's like, 'Let me hold this space with you,' you need that too, but you want it to be again like we need that combination. And I cannot help but compare it to the left and right hemisphere of the brain. We were given a whole brain. We were not given just an emotional center or just the spiritual abstract side. We were also given the critical thinking, logical, very much grounded energy side. We need both of them. That's why we have the masculine and the feminine. We need someone who's like, 'Wait, let's hear them out. Let me hold this space.' And this other person who's like, 'That's too much space. You stay over on that side because this is mine to protect. This is mine to keep safe.' We need both of those energies in order for it to function.

You know, yeah. I mean, I actually love men very much, and I feel for you guys right now because a lot of you guys are getting the crap kicked out of you during this period of time. It's almost like just an insult to be male or something like that. And it's like, God, no. I feel like we need more women to snap out of this and be like, it's not a threat to tell you I need you. It's not a threat to my sovereignty or my own personal power to tell you that I rely on your strength, and that I feel safer with you in the world. I feel like men need to hear that now more than ever. I'm hoping that we can find that place where men can claim that power back without it being perceived as patriarchal, because I feel like that's messed up. It's like we don't need a patriarchy and we don't need a matriarchy; we need a matrimony. That's what we need. We need the marrying of the two forces together. And I think we have that more than we realize, but we are so... again, there's so much propaganda, so much brainwashing and manipulation to keep the divisiveness. And it's going to take us on an individual level coming together and recognizing each other, having that love and respect, and understanding the power that each one holds. Right, like in the Law of One, they talk about how men are blessed with vital energy. You are blessed with it. You have so much vital energy flowing through you, so much more than a woman. And it is part of what gives you strength, but it gives you this intense physical power, but also willpower, emotional strength, and spiritual strength. It's vitality that men are just blessed in abundance with. Where we women are blessed in abundance with our connection to the Divine. We have an instant access point. It's not hard for me to access that which is divine and spiritual. And when we come together in union, men and women, when the heart is open and we're in an intimate union, men will transfer vital energy to the female, and the female will open the sacred space within the man. He will feel more connected to God after that, when we have this divine exchange. And so these are the ways that we are holding space in the world. Which is why, I mean, yes, for a woman to have compassion... I don't say that it's wrong for women to have this compassion. What we need is compassion with discernment. We need to understand that we're not meant to throw ourselves under the bus to save somebody else. We need to put our own oxygen mask on and make sure we are okay while we're holding space for someone else. So that when we're like, hey, you feel different on the inside, okay, let me understand that. Oh, okay, I can understand that must be difficult for you. Of course, I accept you. But you can't come into this bathroom. I'm sorry. I need to make sure that this space is reserved for the small females and the females who need more safety, and I need that to be respected. Right, so I need to have discernment. I have compassion for you. This is a line, please do not cross it. And in that way, I can continue to hold this energy for you, and you will show me that I am safe with you. Right. And so oftentimes we're throwing our own safety and our own need for respect, validation, and understanding under the bus because we're trying to save someone. And this is very much being tapped into. It's an unhealthy aspect. It's when the feminine goes unhealthy, that becomes people-pleasing and martyrdom. Right, it's like I'm going to throw myself away to save you. And it's tapping into an instinct where, again, if a hunter were to come by, the female duck would fly up and flap her wings so that she would get shot, not her kids. It's an instinct that we have, but it's being manipulated within us in order to have us agree to our own eradication, to some degree. We're agreeing to our own erasure, to some degree. Not all of us, obviously. I'm not agreeing to that. I don't consent to that. I don't consent to you saying you're wrong and your self-expression cannot happen, it needs to be this or that or nothing. I don't agree to that either. I want that nice place where I can hold that space for you and be like, absolutely, you deserve to be seen and recognized also. But no, this is too far. Do not cross this line, and we're good. Right. If you cross this line, then I would hope that men would stand up and tell other men this is wrong. Yes, there is a natural instinct in a man to be a predator, because instinctually that's how you would keep your family alive. You would go out and hunt something and bring it back.

Well, it needs to be, again, just like we need to have discernment about what... It goes back to the thing that Jordan Peterson says, that you have to be dangerous. Right. If you're not dangerous and you don't do anything bad, then you're not moral, you're just useless.

No, tell me.

I've seen that in my husband. Like when we talk about these situations and I'm like, what would you do if someone did that to your daughter? And he was like, I don't know if they'd be alive. And he gets... it's a weird thing when he says it. There's a different expression that comes across his face, and I'm like, oh, you're serious. That wasn't a casual macho statement. That was like, yeah, there's something else in there that would come out that I haven't seen yet. Yeah. And that's the part that... but that's what makes a good man. A good man is when he has that part and he's not afraid of it. You embrace it. That's why Joe Rogan becomes so popular, because he's a fighter and he's a macho man. He punches people in the face and he could kill you very quickly with his bare hands without even breaking a sweat, because there's that kind of machismo. But he's also super friendly and he's cool and you can get high with him and he tells you crazy jokes. He's just a good dude. And it's that kind of thing. But then at the same time, when Joe goes out and does this comedy, he'll take on this persona. He'll let that monster come out of him and growl and roar and snarl. And I think that a lot of men these days... we grew up... my kid's generation grew up without men around because so many moms got divorced and so many men were off to war and so many men were just wrapped up in materialism and didn't embody that. I grew up with my grandfather. Sorry, one last story. My grandfather, when he found out that my older sister got pregnant, he went and got his shotgun and some rope and he was going to go get the guy that knocked up my sister. And I'm like, you can either marry her, we're stringing you up, or you're dying. Like this is what's going to happen. And my grandmother was like, no, no, Henry, you can't. And he even chased my dad off of his property with a shotgun one time. Like this was just Henry. Just Henry. It's what he does. Oh, you didn't get shot at by Henry today? Well, he must not have seen you. Now they think about it. When I was in second grade, I lived in this really small town called South Bend. And it was so small I could literally ride my bike through it by myself and it was okay. But there was always this one farmer that would come out with a shotgun, like just get off my property. As a kid, I don't know why that didn't intimidate me. Now I'm looking back and I'm like, holy crap. But yeah, in our generation for sure, there's been an attack on masculinity. That you're supposed to be more feminine, you're supposed to be more in your feelings. And again, very pervasive. They use NLP actually, which is neuro-linguistic programming, which is basically if you repeat something enough, it starts to go deeper into the subconscious mind. And so this, you know, men need to express their feelings. I'm not saying that I don't want to be able to tap into my husband's emotions and know what's going on with him and help him. But that's just one of the ways in which they were trying to feminize. They were trying to get the men to be more in their feminine energy. And then you add to that, think about how much soy was added to our diets starting in the 80s. So much soy. And we know now that soy increases estrogen. In fact, women who are estrogen deficient can eat soy to help boost their estrogen. So what happens when we're getting all this soy and there's soy lecithin in everything? So if you're eating a lot of processed food, you're getting excess estrogen all the time. And in the chicken and stuff. It's really true. I get what you're saying. Nowadays, especially in certain... it's predominantly in blue states, you see it a lot more. Like I'm in a blue state, so you see a lot of what they call the soy boys. But it's like, yeah, they're there and they're riled up and angry, but if something were to happen, they would be ducking and covering their heads and you'd be in it for yourself. There's no one in that group that's coming to shield you. You're screwed. You're alone in this.

Yeah. No, I feel like I do not have to attack men to stand in my feminine power. And I am not afraid that by raising men up, I'm saying I'm subservient to anyone. I don't see that as the dynamic. I see us as partners and co-creators. And it's so funny. Here's just an example of the instinct within me. Right. We were watching a YouTube short or something, and there was some guy at a Walmart. This Walmart was closing, so they were getting rid of all the signage. And he's in the video game area and he sees this shelf signage that has like Zelda on it or something. He asked the shop attendant, what are they going to do with these signs? And the guy's like, we're just going to toss them. He's like, oh, I'm going to take these home and put them on my shelves at home. And I'm like, oh God, this man does not have a woman, because no woman will allow that to come into their home. And my husband laughed and he goes, that would have been me. And I'm like, yeah, and I would stop you before it would ever start. Because there's a reason why men need women. That's not a home. I don't want to walk into a space that's just bears with furniture. You need someone to make it a home. And there's an instinct in us to do it. Whether there's some women who would cringe at me saying this, but it's like, no, your home, to create a home, is your inner world being projected out around you. And that's what makes home so... our inner energy, that essence within us that feels like our inner world, when we create a home, we're projecting that out. Do you see what I'm saying about how the divine feminine has a deeper access to spiritual intelligence? We are able to easily project our inner world out into a space and make it not only our home, but invite you to also project your energy into this space and make it yours.

Actually, you know what? I just wanted to share really quick because I wanted to illustrate this. I actually have quite a bit of access to my own masculine energy. I kind of joke about it that I have that Xena Warrior Princess thing going on inside of here. But it has never overtaken that strong sense to want to provide a home. It has not overtaken the desire to want to create something. In fact, it's very hard for women when we get in relationships. The reason why we shouldn't live with a man before getting his commitment to us is because that energy just kicks in. You can't stop it. The next thing you know, you're providing a home and a space for someone and you don't even know if they're preparing to appreciate that or stay. So it's a very strong instinct that kicks in. And even from a person who is entrepreneurial, I have my own business, I'm constantly trying to think of how to put myself out there in the world and create a living from the gifts that I have. But even with all of that dominant, independent energy, I still crave and desire that containment that men provide. And I want to live in a space where men are honored. I feel like we've really done a number on both the collective masculine and the collective feminine. Our sense of self is really shot and we need to build it back up. And in this time, we're being tested to tear each other down, when really, I think again, to open our heart is to recognize it's like, thank God you're here. I'm so glad that you are here and people like you exist and that you're out there in the world owning that really intense, strong energy that you're so pumped up about protecting people that you would even kill for it and maybe even enjoy it. It's like, thank God you found an outlet to utilize that and it's not something that you're afraid of, because that means that you will have a healthy expression of that. Whereas, those instincts, sure, they are maybe part of the masculine, but what has happened in people who've become predatory towards other people is that has turned on itself and started eating away at the inside to the point at which they have no allegiance to what there is to protect. Maybe because they feel so disenfranchised or so hurt at the levels of rejection that are in the world. I don't know, but I sense that might be a part of it.

When you sit in the middle, where really the solution is, it's not as titillating. Because in the middle is the common sense answers. I would say to you, with Finding Fuscata and picking a path, if the masculine speaks to you, I say follow it. But consider the term we talked about, which is the matrimony, the marrying of the two together, and how to navigate that. Because what you're talking about isn't just a masculine issue, it's also a feminine issue. And part of what's required here is we've lost collectively trust for each other. And that's been manipulated on purpose to get us to be divisive. In order for us to work together, we're going to have to trust each other. And to be able to trust each other, we're going to at least have to have respect for each other. We don't always have to agree, but we need to understand what's the divine plan here. Because if it was only supposed to be male dominated, why wouldn't it be predominantly men? If it was supposed to be female dominated, why wouldn't it be predominantly female? Why would God create something where the two are necessary to survive? Because without men, women cannot procreate. There will be no more of us. Without women, men cannot procreate. There will be no more of us. So in order for our own species to even survive and have another chance at this, we need each other. So why would that be the divine creation?

I mean, conversations like this are great because we're two people. We're not in 100% agreement on our worldview on things, and that's fine. Better. I actually like it better. You know why? Because again, it gets me to think about what you're offering, and hopefully what I'm offering gets you to think too. But we need to see the example of, okay, we're not going to agree on everything. Got it. But can we come together? And can I see the value in your perspective? Because I truly believe if we were meant to have this homogeneous perspective, we would already be there. We're not. In fact, we're never going to get 100% agreement on anything. Even if you and I came to agreement, a third person comes in and goes, you're both wrong. And here's why. So we need... and like the airplane example you gave, which is such a great one, we need the resistance. We need the pushback in order to get this thing off the ground. We actually need these opposing forces. But they, in the airplane example, they're working together beautifully. They're supporting, they're holding it, they're keeping it in alignment, they're keeping it from flying off. All these forces allow for this beautiful creation of an airplane that transports just about anything you want from one place to another. And without even one force being missing, you wouldn't have it. So where do we get to the point where we start to go, oh my gosh, I appreciate the opposing perspective you're bringing me because you're actually getting me to consider something here. And as I listen to you, I recognize the good faith in you, that you actually want something good for this world, including me, even though I don't always agree. Even though we're not always in agreement, I still see you want what's best for me, and hopefully you can see I want what's best for you. We just have different ways of approaching it. Maybe we need to bring these approaches together. How do we do it, man?

Absolutely. Within that space. So maybe that's the thing that I need to consider with the Finding Fuscata. Like you said, unless you become antagonistic, you're not going to get the clicks, you're not going to get the eyeballs. Is that the... so this is where we get into the spiritual aspect, because intention is everything. That's what my team always says. Intention is everything. So if my intention is to make a bunch of money, I'm probably not going to get that by being this healthy middle ground who's really trying to find a solution. I'm going to find that at the extreme ends where I'm really antagonizing or riling people up and I'm getting both the love views and the hate views. If my intention is actually to come up with a solution, if my intention is like, how do we create the unity we are all so desperate to find? Then that's going to be a different kind of show. Because that's a show that's offering something that's like a tangible solution. Also not always popular, because you're not going to get the agreement. But for the most part, what I think you attract are the people who actually want to do the work. And that's very different. Because the people on the extremes are great at attracting people who want someone to blame. Oh, it's the Republicans' fault. Oh, it's these extremists over here, it's their fault. Our world would be fine without you. That's all they're attracting are people who want to circumvent their own accountability. They don't want to do that work. In the middle are the people who are like, no, really, what do we do to make this work? And I think they're earnestly trying to understand and figure it out. That's why the work I do, I actually work with people on the personal level, because I find that it's harder to crave or desire unity outward if you are not unified on the inside. So if you're still rejecting parts of yourself, if you are still out of trust with yourself, if you still withhold love and compassion from yourself, you are not able to easily give that to others. You'll be more easily triggered by the people who oppose or you view as opposing a force to you. Whether it's a different belief system or different political views, it's very hard for people who aren't balanced within themselves to hold space for someone who is showing up differently than them. If they have a lot of judgment and anger and rejection of themselves, when they find that space where they're more integrated within themselves, it becomes much easier. You don't feel like you lose anything by holding space for someone who's got a different point of view.

What's that? Just say it and then you can not do it. What is it?

So why are you running from it?

Well, you literally are lighting up while you talk about it. So I think maybe the word pastor is what gets in your way and you need to find another word that means spreading the word without having to use the language that's triggering. But also, I don't know if you saw Aaron Abey? He's doing something where he's talking about... I'll send you the link. He's doing a talk about how Christianity is actually based more on the testimony of Paul. I hope I'm not butchering this. He's calling it more about Paulianity than Christianity, and Paul's interpretation of what Jesus was saying. He's doing a lecture on it. I'll send you the link so you can check it out, because I've seen a lot of his stuff on that. That is a conclusion that I came to several years ago. I think he might be a good form of a mentor for you, at least to show you what you can do. Because he's very similar on that path. And I think the work he's doing is really powerful. It's not in denial of your Christian upbringing, it is more clarification of it. It's almost what you're doing. Remember how I said everything's been infiltrated, including all religions? They've been infiltrated. Doesn't mean there isn't truth in it. It means it's been covered over by a darker agenda meant to separate you from that truth. So they let you see the truth, but then they also obscure it by saying, by the way, you don't have direct access to this. You have to go through me and my church, and then you can access it. Which is the lie. And that puts the wedge between you and the Divine. Right. What I feel like you're trying to do is clean that up in some way and let people access it without the dogma, without the agenda attached to it. Because there is truth in this. There is beautiful truth there. And what we need are people to un-obscure it. So by looking at what Aaron's doing and you having your own interpretation of it, we need more people who have something like that who are taking the stigma away. Because I do believe that there's really powerful energy in this. But I, from a very young age, had a natural sort of protection from it. I remember being four, sitting in church. The priest was talking about how the theme was God's really disappointed in you, you've really failed, and now you have to apologize, but you have to do it in this way and here only and with me, and then I'm going to make sure God gets your apology. And I just remember thinking, this is wrong. God loves us all. We're not being punished in any way. And the fact that we're being taught to interpret life as a punishment is what is keeping us in suffering. And that's what it says in A Course in Miracles. It's how you are there. There is nothing but perfect love here for you. There is nothing but abundance here for you. And your inability to perceive it has to do with your perception, not with the reality that there is perfect love around you. And only when we clean up our own perception will we begin to perceive it again. So no, I'm thinking, thank you for sharing with me what's on your heart. I think it's beautiful. And I think you are worthy of it. I feel like that's the perception you need to surrender, is that somehow you aren't worthy. You remember, I mean, you know the Bible better than me, but as I understood it, God wasn't like, I'm not going to choose the perfect ones. No one's going to listen to them. I'm going to choose the poor soul who kept making mistakes and choices that he regrets, and I am going to send him out as my messenger. Why? Because that's relatable. Because that's where people will be able to hear from. If you are some perfect, pious person, you are viewed by the masses as something that's unattainable and unrealistic. And I can't really listen to you because I've already screwed up. I messed up that past relationship, or I messed up my relationship with my kids, or I failed to go after the big dreams in my heart and I'm suffering because I'm living a smaller life. So I've already failed. I can't hear you. But you give me an underdog who's also been there and figured their way out and is suddenly feeling freedom and ease and a connection. They don't feel shame to say they're connected to Source. They feel relief. Well, I want that too. You mean I can have that? That's what salvation means. I can have made all of these mistakes and still find my way back home. Oh my God. Right. Literally, oh my God.

Well, he's probably attracting a more feminine audience, or a wounded audience. And that needs to exist, obviously, because he's very successful in what he's doing. And women in general aren't super receptive to guys who are like, you want to get in there and you want to... I'd be like, whoa, whoa. You need to go do this somewhere with some other guy because I need it to be a little chiller. But when I start presenting, I'll work on a video and have one of these concepts, and I can't get very touchy-feely about the whole thing. But on the inside, I'm like, no, you got to take life and grab that crap and own it. Sometimes you just got to man up and get through it. See, this is what's beautiful. Start taking that energy and put it out into the world. That's an approach that God would want to use. That's why the energy is within you. Because God lives within us. That's the energy. God's like, look, you're not here to express yourself like Aaron Abey. I'm already expressing myself like Aaron Abey. I need to express like Sean over here. I want both to simultaneously happen. Because for those who can't hear me through Aaron, they can hear me through Sean. And if they can't hear me through Sean, they'll hear me through Therese. There's no one way to present this information that is going to be more receptive than another. It is only, I need as many messengers out there who will share this message and share it in whatever way it's in your heart. Don't hold it back. Don't change it. Don't try to blend it in. You can't be Aaron. Aaron is Aaron. Aaron's not going to be Sean. But we need both. Because again, we are not a homogeneous perspective, humanity. And we never will be. We will never be this homogeneous one world BS stuff. Because God did not send out tons of energy from the source and say, let me express myself all the same way. No, God was like, I want to see every way I can express myself. I want to express myself in the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows, and the most aggressive and the least aggressive, and the most feminine and the most masculine, in a really neutral balanced place. I want to express that in every color, every tone, every shade. I want to know every aspect of myself. And so it does us no service to try and tame ourselves or adjust ourselves. We're not truly expressing what we came here to. We're a messenger. We came from Source to express this unique aspect of Source. And I think that when we start feeling okay with that in ourselves, then the world starts to... again, it all starts on the inside. And it's like, can you accept that your version... that you get riled up? It's good because what it's showing you is the contrast. I don't agree. I mean, I love Aaron. I love listening to him. I like listening to you too. So it's like I've listened to both. It's very interesting. But it's okay that that riles you because it's telling you that's not my tone. That's not my color. That is not the sound that I make. That's another one. That's not me. And so it's good to know. I enjoy Teal Swan. However, I could not deliver like Teal Swan does. I don't deliver in the same way. There is something about her that feels kind of emotionally detached to me. Like she seems like she's talking about it but she's not in it. Where I'm kind of way leaning in energetically. It's just a different tone, a different frequency. Both great. And yeah, so I would say there's a lot here for you to consider. And understand that the only thing that's stopping you from being able to fully express it is just the resistance that you're in. And that feeling of, how am I worthy of this? It's like, how are you not? If it's in your heart, that's the truth.

Well, see, that's because I get the same kind of vibe with you. Because you talk like a Trump supporter, but you're surrounded by crystals and you channel. Oh, I am so... yeah, I am a Trump supporter, but I have crystals and I listen to the trans community talk. And I'm like, I'm very... I also listen to Matt Walsh and have to turn him off. The one that really irks me the most... he seems so nice though... is Michael Knowles. I just hate his everything. He's like, here's this former psychic who was possessed by demons. I'm like, I'm not possessed by demons just because I don't go to church. I think the way that I describe myself is that I'm aggressively moderate.

I saw he didn't have a choice. He didn't have the choice. The Democrats were brutal to him. They were absolutely cruel to him. And because they had already decided what they wanted to do. But he knows how dangerous the Democrats can be and how dangerous it'll be if Kamala gets in office. So I think it was the smart move for him to go and endorse Trump. He's most likely going to be on Trump's cabinet. I've heard that, possibly as Health Secretary, which would be really interesting. He's gone after big pharma big time. And I like that. I want someone to be holding them aggressively accountable.

Yeah. And what I like about it though is he's not someone... again, I don't have full agreement with him. I don't hold the same stance on environmental policies as he does. But he's gung-ho about it. And one of the things I like about Trump... yeah, his personality is his personality. But what I like about him is that he does surround himself with people who aren't yes-men. He puts a lot of people who have opposing points of view... we have a different memory of his administration, but okay. But he does do that. I think he's better now. I think he learned a lot. I think he's toned it down. I think if he did win reelection, the Nancy Pelosis of the world would still completely lose their minds. She's the trigger-y person for me. She's a nightmare of a human being. I definitely would not call myself a Republican. I'd call myself more of an independent. I don't feel really affiliated to a party. I just see that this side is in it to protect what we have and hopefully to fix and eliminate... and it really... I was not a Trump... I didn't vote for him in 2016. I'm glad that my vote didn't go through because it would not have been good. But when I started reading his policies, his executive orders, and seeing that what they were saying about him wasn't true... one of them that really got to me was he was providing indigenous communities with more police support. Not police presence, but they have a lot of cold cases of missing children and people getting abducted. All the cases pretty much go cold because they don't get the support they need from their local police departments. And he created an executive order that would give them those resources. And I'm like, why would someone who is so hateful and so racist be so willing to support communities that they say he hates? And that was one of those things where I went, huh. That's because he's totally not hateful and racist. No, he's not. But he is... he's regular, like a baby boomer racist. Here's the thing: he says insensitive things. Oh, yeah. His heart is good. I think what we realize is what we want is the more put together... we want the Barack Obamas, which was a good... he was... I hate to give it because what he did, his policies and what he did was terrible. But he had the charisma, he had the look. He was a great orator. You really felt like, oh my gosh, this is such a great representation for our country. Meanwhile, his husband is smoking hot too. I wish I had arms like him. No, I'm just kidding. Sorry, Michelle. That was mean. Please forgive me. No, it's okay. Mike's okay with that. But we got this great facade and a really bad interior. And I realized we're fighting a force that's very entrenched inside our government. It's already... we've been infiltrated from within. I know we've heard that. But we have been infiltrated from within. And we don't need a nice person to get us away from psychopaths. We need the vicious guard dog. Snap, snap, snap. I want him to show his teeth and I want him to be like, don't mess with my family or I will bite your leg off. I want that kind of energy. And yeah, he might be aggressive and abrasive. He's not so much now. But that's the kind of... I want the guy who will stop North Korea from firing on our country. I want the guy who will create the Abrahamic Peace Accords and be like, you guys need to knock it off. And if we have to use our alliance and force, then that's what we're going to do. We did not have... what is it, Iranians who were this close to having nuclear missiles during that time period because those Abrahamic Accords helped prevent some of that. Now those have been undone and look at the crap that we're dealing with. And we need the sheepdog who remembers that he's also a wolf and knows how to use it. So yeah, he might not be popular. He might not be the guy everybody likes. But he's the guy we need. And I like that. I like the fact that you've got other people... I think you're going to see Rogan flip to Trump too. I think that's coming. We need those people who are again creating that aggressive resistance that's going to right this plane. Because right now, if we don't have that force, our plane's going to crash.

I agree. You need to maintain critical thinking. And it would be foolish to think that he isn't flawed and that he doesn't have his own mistakes that he's done. I think we've seen some of those. I still look at the actions more than the personality. And again, you're right. The problem with the cult thing is... okay, you use the term sheep. And I do not mean any disrespect to someone who's just hanging out and wants to live an average life. But there is a herd mentality in that kind of person who doesn't want to be on the front line, who doesn't want to be a sheepdog, who doesn't want to activate that aggressiveness. There is herd mentality that happens. I don't know if that's just part of this experience where you got to decide whether or not you are part of the herd or outside the herd. I've always been like, I'm not a sheep. I guess I'm a black sheep. I don't even know if I'm a sheep at all. I'm more like Big Bird in a bunch of sheep. That's how I feel. I don't know if I belong here. You guys are cool.

I like Tulsi Gabbard. I do like her.

No, she stepped down from the Democratic party. Yeah. I was asked by somebody recently because I was saying that there's a lot of women in politics who kind of disgust me. And so this person who's very feminist is like, do you not think any woman should be in politics? I'm like, no. But the ones who've been in there are not representing us well and making us look bad. And the only one that I really feel like I could respect and who's doing a great job is Tulsi Gabbard. And then that person was like, oh, okay, and calmed down. But the thing is, I think Tulsi's curse is that she's hot. I really do. Because when you're a girl in junior high and you got a bunch of average-looking girls or maybe not even that, they're slightly below average looking, and the one hot girl comes in, nobody's going to be nice to her. Especially if she's smart, especially if she's jacked. All the boys like her. But I think partly what it is is she's sitting in this space that I was saying we need to, where the solution lies. She's sitting in the space where the solution lies. She's not in the extremes. And in the extremes is where all the attention is. That's why I think Trump does well, because he's so extreme. He's not extreme as an extreme right, he's extreme in personality. He's extremely abrasive. There's an abrasiveness to him. You either really like him or you hate him. There's not a lot of middle ground with Trump. So he's more polarizing as a figure. Whereas Tulsi is like, I think everybody could find something that they find really reasonable. What you're saying is reasonable. It's well-articulated. It clearly makes sense. And you're actually bringing data into the conversation so I can understand where your point of view is coming from. And that is just... it's not bad. It's just not eye-grabbing extreme. It doesn't bring a lot of attention to you. And again, these extremes are really where the attention goes. The work is in the middle. So I like that she's there because at least she's doing the work.

Yeah, my wife just texted me. She's like, are you still alive?

Awesome. Well, thank you for having me on again. And I appreciate that. It was really... and thanks for helping me unpack that stuff.

Sounds good. Definitely. All right. Thanks, Therese. Have a great night. Bye.