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Frederic Luddy
Founder & Director, ServiceNow, Inc.

Grand Keynote: Fred Luddy, co-founder and CJ Desai, CPO of ServiceNow | TiEcon 2020

🎥 Sep 28, 2020 📺 TiE Silicon Valley ⏱ 35m 👁 505 views
Full Video: https://youtu.be/LTVQb-4NFQY Fred Luddy, a serial entrepreneur, cofounded ServiceNow in 2004, a few weeks before ...
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About Frederic Luddy

Frederic Luddy, founder and former chief product officer of ServiceNow, received the 2023 Horatio Alger Award, which he described as a "great honor" and a recognition of his role as a "role model for other people to overcome adversity." In his acceptance remarks, Luddy recounted a childhood marked by physical abuse and being told he "was not going to amount to anything," leading him to leave home at 16. He described discovering programming after encountering an advanced computer in a factory, later working for the dean of Economics at Indiana University writing Fortran programs, though he said he "forgot to go to class" and earned a 0.6 GPA. Luddy also discussed the collapse of his previous employer, Peregrine Systems, where he said he lost a net worth of $35 million due to fraud and bankruptcy, prompting him and his brother to start ServiceNow. He wrote the first lines of code on November 5, 2003, and noted the company had grown to about 20,000 employees. In various public appearances, Luddy has emphasized the importance of focusing on customer experience and problem-solving over technology itself. At TiEcon 2020, he advised entrepreneurs to "love the problem more than the solution" and said that "it's not how smart we are as entrepreneurs; it's how smart and how liberated we make our customers feel." He has described ServiceNow's evolution from an IT service management tool to a broader platform, stating that "systems of engagement are going to complement systems of record" and that the company aims to become "the single system of record" for large IT organizations. Luddy has also expressed skepticism about email as a workflow engine, citing an MIT study that he said shows people spend 36% of their workday in their inbox, and has advocated for real-time, mobile-friendly systems that are "easier than not using it."

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Please love the problem more than the solution, and more than the technology. Remember that to be really successful, we want to empower and liberate our customers. It's not how smart we are as entrepreneurs, it's how smart and liberated we make our customers feel. That'll be a driver for success. It's all about your attitude during these times of crisis. That can help propel a company or squash you. There are always things the world will throw at you, and it's how you react that makes you either say 'woe is me, I've got to hunker down and save my money' or 'this is going to be it for us.'
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Kumar1:38
I would like to welcome Jeff Miller, President of Jam Ventures, to introduce the opening grand keynote. Here are a few words on Jeff. Jeff Miller is President of Jam Ventures, a business consulting company. Prior to establishing this firm, Jeff spent most of his career in operating companies. He was associated with Documentum Inc., ticker symbol DCTM, an enterprise document management software company, as a CEO and Chairman for a decade. He was instrumental in growing it from 15 employees into a publicly traded company with 1,200 employees and revenues over $200 million. Jeff has more than 45 years of high-tech experience in semiconductors, hardware, and software companies. He has held senior marketing and executive positions at Adaptec and Cadence Design System. Jeff was also a former venture partner with Redpoint Ventures, focused on mentoring CEOs of several Redpoint companies. Jeff has also been on the board of several tech companies and is currently a board member of ServiceNow. Jeff also serves on many philanthropic boards. Prominent ones are the Golden State Warriors Community Foundation, the Santa Clara University Board of Trustees, and the Miller Center for Social Entrepreneurship. By the way, he's a minority owner of the Golden State Warriors. Jeff has an MBA and a BS in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from Santa Clara U. Over to you, Jeff, to introduce Fred and CJ.
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Jeff Miller3:14
Thank you, Kumar. I'm unmuted here. There we go. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. As Kumar said, I'm Jeff Miller, the lead independent director for ServiceNow. It's my extreme pleasure to introduce Fred Luddy, our founder and chairman, and CJ Desai, our chief products officer. I've had the honor of being part of ServiceNow for almost 10 years and have watched it grow from $70 million in revenue to this year's guidance of over four and a half billion, and employees from 200 people, almost all in San Diego, to over 12,000 globally, while literally redefining the way our customers work. A remarkable run that is a very long way from being over. But a run like ours all starts with a determined founder. Fred Luddy, a world-class visionary, developer, and company founder who from day one focused himself and the company on keeping it simple and delighting the customer. But Fred is much more than just supremely talented. He also has the humility and self-awareness to know where he's not world-class. I met Fred in the fall of 2010, shortly after Sequoia invested in ServiceNow, when at Doug Leone's urging, Fred came up from San Diego to spend a day meeting with a series of experienced CEOs, starting with breakfast with me. At this point, Fred had run ServiceNow for seven years, had taken it from inception to that $70 million revenue run rate on an absurdly small amount of funding. Prior to Sequoia's hyper-growth-oriented investment, Fred had raised just one round of funding of $7.5 million and had only used $2.5 million to get the company to cash flow positive. So Fred and his team were certainly doing lots of things right, but a day of meeting with top-notch CEOs correctly convinced Fred that his company could do better with new, more experienced leadership. Not an easy conclusion for someone who was being very successful in growing his company, but rather an honest, insightful evaluation of what he personally wanted to do and was great at, which was developing products. I joined the board shortly thereafter, and together with Fred and Doug, helped hire Frank Slootman to be our first non-founder CEO. Frank was a phenomenal CEO who, with Fred as chief products officer, drove ServiceNow to a billion dollars in revenue by 2015. By late 2016, Fred had been running hard daily for 13 years and decided to retire from his operational job, but remained a board member. ServiceNow was fortunate enough to hire CJ to run all products. CJ has performed magnificently for us these past four years, deepening the power of our platform while also reacting very quickly when required, as he and the team did this year in developing, in literally a few short weeks, a set of COVID emergency response management apps and then lately a new set of Safe Workplace apps to help customers' employees return to work. But not even the most successful journey is without a few bumps along the way. When we were trying to attract CJ and get him to come to ServiceNow, one of the real reasons for his excitement was he wanted to work for Frank Slootman, because Frank really is—and was and is, by the way, Frank's about ready to take another company public now, Snowflake. He miserably failed retirement. That's a different story. But unknown to CJ at the time, because we're a public company, we have confidentiality requirements. Frank and the board had been working together for a long time, and Frank had been driving his own long-term succession plan. So in February 2017, barely six weeks after CJ joined, we announced Frank's retirement and that his successor was John Donahoe, former eBay CEO. Thankfully, CJ by this time was smitten by the energy at the company and developed a close relationship with John. Perhaps one trait that helped CJ handle what could have been a tough situation with great grace is his sense of humor. A little-known fact: in a previous life, our CJ was a stand-up comic. I don't think there are a lot of chief product officers that have a side gig as a stand-up comic. His jokes and his ability to make his team smile are well known at ServiceNow, although frankly, seeing how good an executive he is, my advice is don't quit your day job, CJ. You found your calling. It all started with Fred, so I'll close with a last Fred story. A year after John took over as CEO, Frank was transitioning off the board, and the expectation and the plan was to make John both CEO and chairman. But John attended Knowledge, our users conference, and saw Fred's keynote. What he saw was an outpouring of adulation and respect for Fred from both our customers and our employees. So he called me with a wild idea: instead of John being chairman, let's make Fred chairman and keep ServiceNow's startup energy going as long as possible. So with no further ado, ladies and gentlemen, our Energizer Bunny, Fred, and the man that runs all products, CJ Desai. Thank you very much.
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CJ Desai10:36
It is a pleasure and honor for me to be speaking with Fred Luddy, our founder and chairman of the board. As Jeff stated, Fred retired from ServiceNow in 2016 in the management role as chief product officer, and I started in 2016. It has been an amazing ride in delivering for our customers. So we are going to have a little bit of fun. I'm going to ask the typical questions that are usually asked in this panel, and I'm going to ask some fun questions in between just to throw Fred off a little bit in terms of trying to make some humor here. So let's start first. Typically, Fred, these questions are asked at the end: what's your one advice or three advice for entrepreneurs? Given we have this amazing global audience, if you have to say one thing to all the entrepreneurs or want-to-be entrepreneurs, what would be that one thing and your one advice to them?
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Frederic Luddy11:46
I would say please love the problem more than the solution, and more than the technology. Remember that to be really successful, we want to empower and liberate our customers. It's not how smart we are as entrepreneurs, it's how smart and how liberated we make our customers feel. That'll be a driver for success.
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CJ Desai12:15
That makes a lot of sense. Fred, you know Jeff talked about ServiceNow. ServiceNow went IPO in 2012, and if you had invested a dollar in ServiceNow in 2012, the shareholders have now gotten a return of 2,100%. It has been an amazing ride, and we are just getting started. But Fred, you created a platform company, and for many entrepreneurs, especially in Silicon Valley, they idolize people who dropped out from Stanford or were a PhD student at some fancy college. Tell us about your beginnings. Where did you learn programming? Where did you work? Just give us some insight into how you got into programming.
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Frederic Luddy13:11
Okay. We all have challenges in our lives, and my challenge became pretty apparent very early on. I was allegedly a bright kid, but I was an absolutely horrible student. I was happy to get a C minus on my report card in anything. It turns out that I'm an Asperger's person, mildly autistic. Aspies have a hard time, if not impossible time, concentrating on things they're not interested in. So I got horrible grades until I got to third year in high school, and I found out that I loved organic chemistry of all things. I also had a fairly rough childhood, so much so that I actually left home when I was 16. I lived in a station wagon, I picked strawberries, I worked in a car wash. My career goal was to become an assistant manager at a gas station. Luckily, that didn't pan out. During one of my jobs, though, I walked into a computer room and they had just installed this new HP computer. I just knew that was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life. I never wanted to leave. I fell in love with programming, and I got a job programming luckily. I think the thing that really drove me was that I worked on behalf of some order entry clerks, and I created a feature for one of them at their request. This woman tried out the feature that I had built that saved her a lot of time, and at the end of trying it out, she cried. I thought, 'Oh my gosh, I made a woman cry because she's happy. This is wonderful. What a great thing this programming is.' From then on, I've always loved the end user experience, and I've always wanted to do something with technology that made my customers feel smarter.
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CJ Desai15:13
That's amazing, Fred. I know that we still have the same ethos in ServiceNow: making sure that our end users are always happy. So I'm going to switch it a little bit on the trivia side. Talking about humble beginnings, from what I understand, you were also a tennis ball boy on clay courts in Indiana when you were in your teen years and have seen many amazing tennis players play. But I'm going to ask you, since the Indian community and South Asian community loves tennis: Vijay Amritraj or Leander Paes?
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Frederic Luddy15:55
I know them both, and they're both absolutely wonderful people and great ambassadors for tennis, but they're very different. It's hard to pick. Vijay has done so much more than just tennis. He's been involved in many different things both in India and the United States. He's really larger than life. The man is huge. When I stand next to him, his shoulders are about here. He's just a wonderful person. Leander is a magical tennis player, but the reason I love Leander is he's really inspired so many kids to pick up the game. I find that this is a game that you have all your life, and you live in a tennis community. It's really a wonderful thing. I can't pick between the two of them because they're so different.
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CJ Desai16:46
That's a great answer. So coming back to your journey, Fred, you talked about your humble beginnings in Indiana. When did you come to Silicon Valley, and what was it like?
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Frederic Luddy16:59
I read an article in Computerworld about a fellow by the name of Gene Amdahl, who was the father of the mainframe. Then I saw an ad that said 'Come and work for Gene Amdahl.' So I got a job in Silicon Valley working at the Amdahl Corporation, a mainframe computer company. It was absolutely magical. There were 350 of us competing against IBM, who had 400,000 people and an 85% market share. What was great is everybody in that company pulled together because somebody did the math and said, 'If every one of us is smarter than 99% of IBM's people, they still have more smart people than we do. So the only way we can win this battle is if we pull together as a team.' I had gotten there as the youngest and most inexperienced but eager to learn person, and everybody just helped me out. They really taught me things, they mentored me. I called a friend of mine 30 years later and said, 'Stu, thank you so much for your mentorship.' He said, 'Mentorship? We didn't have any mentorship. I didn't even think we had that word then. We were just all trying to pull each other along so that we could win that battle.' It was just absolutely a lot of real-world problems.
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CJ Desai19:51
That's amazing. Fred, I know you spent a few years at Amdahl, but coming back to your true entrepreneurship journey in the sense of starting ServiceNow, I would love for you to share at what age you started ServiceNow and how you became broke at Peregrine Systems, and just share with us that whole story and what happened in 2004.
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Frederic Luddy20:19
Well, going broke was pretty easy. I used to work for a company called Peregrine, and we had a good market cap. So I would get up in the morning, get my coffee, and go to Yahoo to check the stock price because it was going up nicely. My brother came in and said, 'What's wrong?' I said, 'Well, Yahoo's broken.' 'What do you mean?' 'Well, it says the stock's worth nothing.' Yahoo was not broken. Finance was correct. I went from having a net worth of $35 million to zero instantly. So my brother and I looked at each other—he's also working at Peregrine—and he said, 'What should we do now?' I said, 'Well, we can start a new business. I mean, what else is there to do?' That was really the genesis or the catalyst for starting a new company because there was nothing left to lose. The date was November 5th, 2003, that I wrote the first lines of code. I remember writing it then because I was two weeks from my 50th birthday, and I thought nobody's going to take a 50-year-old seriously as being an entrepreneur, so I had to start it when I was on the other side of 50.
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CJ Desai21:40
That's excellent. I do want the entrepreneurs to know that Fred still codes. He created a COVID-19 tracker early in April, was super excited to share with a few of us at ServiceNow the app, and he developed it on AWS using all the latest tools and services in Amazon. So even today, Fred keeps himself busy by making sure that he's still coding. Fred, related to starting ServiceNow, the concepts that everybody talks about today such as cloud computing, platform as a service, these concepts were not known. API-driven architectures in 2004. So what was the genesis like? How did you and the early team say, 'Hey, we are going to provide these services over cloud, ServiceNow over cloud, and ensure that we provide a true world-class enterprise platform where people can build applications'?
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Frederic Luddy22:45
That journey just seemed to make sense because in the late 1990s there was this dot-com bubble, and in the middle of that explosion was something called Application Service Providers, ASPs, where the whole notion was we're going to take enterprise software and run it in a data center on your behalf. The issue with that was it seemed like a good idea, but software actually has to be written to be serviced from the inside rather than the outside. That model consumed billions and billions of dollars in investment but never went anywhere except it just blew up. But to me, it made a lot of sense. Rather than us as a small company trying to teach a thousand other companies how to install and care for our software, what seemed to be a better idea was just have us take care of the software for them, take care of the infrastructure, the backup, the recovery, the security, etc. Then we would have control of the environment. So again, it was really born out of the fact that we didn't have enough people to write installation manuals, installers, and deal with nine different databases and 15 different server platforms. So it was just easier for us to do it ourselves. The initial server was a used Supermicro that we got off eBay for $800, and we put it in a telco closet that was 95 degrees. Our business continuity strategy was largely prayer.
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CJ Desai24:28
That's amazing. Now the concepts such as cloud computing as well as platform as a service have become ubiquitous, and this was done out of necessity, not only for a company to survive but for a company to scale. As we like to say, necessity is the mother of invention. So Fred, coming back to short questions: you started a platform company. ServiceNow still is a platform company, a digital platform company. When you look at the consumer industry, which platform company do you think is the most innovative for consumers: Tesla or Apple?
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Frederic Luddy25:04
Those are both great companies. They're a little different, but if you go back to my initial answer and take a look at Tesla and Apple, they both engender fierce loyalty by their customers. They do that because I think they care about their customers and want to do things for their customers in ways that others don't. Their focus is really on customer delight, and it turns out that profitability is something that follows customer delight. So as an all-out broad platform, I have to go with Apple. But as far as someone who just inspires us to think differently, I have to go with Elon.
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CJ Desai25:47
That's awesome. So Fred, we are currently in this global pandemic. You even wrote an app for it. Many entrepreneurs are dealing with challenges, and I remember reading about this in 2008: one of the VC firms sent out this note during the peak of the global financial crisis, and ServiceNow was only five years old at that time. Tell me, what did you tell the team when it was doom and gloom scenarios in the middle of the financial crisis? Because entrepreneurs today are facing the exact same thing. There are certain winners, certain losers, certain industries impacted by this crisis.
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Frederic Luddy26:29
There's a scene from Apollo 13 where the government people are so worried about the fact that we might lose astronauts in space, and the fellow that was the head of NASA turned to the government people and said, 'This will not be a disaster. In fact, this will be our finest hour.' I had that same attitude with the financial crisis. We were going up against incumbents like IBM and Hewlett-Packard. Our prospects were absolutely swimming in cash, and they were very happy. But then the financial crisis hit, and all of a sudden they're drowning in red ink. We thought we can go in and talk to anybody on Wall Street, anybody in many industries, and we can not only give them better technology but we can give it to them at a lower price. By lower price, I mean less green dollars out, not efficiency numbers or soft savings, but real green dollars. So I think the way to think of it is that there are always things the world will throw at you, and it's how you react to that condition that makes you either say 'woe is me, I've got to hunker down and save my money' or 'this is going to be it for us.' We're all coming to you via Zoom, and Zoom has now become a word like Xerox, like Kleenex. It's just how we do things. Zoom was again—I'm not sure how Eric and crew took a look at this—but it was just a phenomenal opportunity for them. It's all about your attitude during these times of crisis. I think that can really help propel a company or squash it.
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CJ Desai28:18
Exactly. And definitely you all survived and then went public in 2012. So Fred, one of the things that when I speak to entrepreneurs, ServiceNow has definitely acquired a few companies over time. We tend to do a lot of technology tuck-ins, and then entrepreneurs become part of our team with great energy. Some of the best team members we have were previous entrepreneurs. But one of the things that I know when you were going public in 2012 or just before you went public, you also got an offer to be acquired. When you think of TAM, valuation, how long you should keep going to scale the company, give us some perspectives on that. How did you turn down the 2011 offer?
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Frederic Luddy29:05
That was difficult. I remember at that time I was 55 years old, I had a young son, I had been absolutely broke many times in my life, living in a car, not being able to pay my rent. All of a sudden somebody offered me a check, a personal check, for over $100 million. I was like, 'Oh, this is it. My family will be taken care of now for the rest of my life.' Luckily, we had a fellow by the name of Doug Leone on our board from Sequoia, and he said, 'That's a horrible deal. This is going to be worth 10x what they're offering you.' At the time it was a billion dollars. I just said, 'But my family will be taken care of.' He said, 'It's a horrible deal.' Turns out Doug was wrong. It wasn't 10x, it was 90x. So in any case, I think one of the things about ServiceNow is that we did a lot of things because we didn't know any better. Had I not had somebody to listen to, in many cases I would have made a lot more mistakes. But because Doug was there, and he helped in many ways, that was one of the best things that ever happened to me: not getting that money.
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CJ Desai30:19
That's excellent, and that's a great story because a lot of entrepreneurs face the decision: do I need to raise a round if I have a great offer and a great home? How do I make the decision? That decision making is definitely not an easy one: how to balance investors, customers, and your employees. So short question: streaming services, there are so many of them now. Which streaming service do you love: Netflix, Disney Plus, or any other?
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Frederic Luddy30:51
I like all the streaming services, but I wish somebody would solve the problem that I was watching Mrs. Maisel—which one is that on? Or where did we subscribe to SpongeBob? My Samsung TV has all these different apps, and I have to search for them. I hope somebody solves that. To me, that's a real challenge. It used to be go through 500 channels; now I'm going to go through 10 streaming services, each with 500 channels. So that's an issue. It is lovely that everything's on demand. I'm going to tell you that actually Apple Music is probably my best streaming service.
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CJ Desai31:25
That's great. So Fred, switching gears a little bit: you created ServiceNow, ServiceNow is having a great run, and we are just getting started as we always say with our teams. But you have done some wonderful things for Indiana University. As a South Asian community, we really put focus on education. You gave the second biggest gift to Indiana University: the Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering, as well as the Center for Artificial Intelligence. Why Indiana University, and why specifically those disciplines?
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Frederic Luddy32:05
I was fortunate enough to go to school for a short time at IU, and I worked for the dean of economics, who was somebody that made me believe in myself, which was something I hadn't done prior to that. I think I was 18 or so at the time. His mentorship was really something that I think made my whole life better. So I went back to visit IU some 40 years later, and I went to visit the dean of the informatics school. His office was my old bedroom in the fraternity house where I had lived. It was crummy when I lived there, and it was worse. I said, 'Bobby, you're never going to be able to recruit the best here.' He said, 'Well, we have this plan, but we're short a few dollars.' I said, 'Let me help you.' So I just helped fuel the economics of building this first building. Here's my belief: there is no geography, no race, no center of gravity for IQ, ingenuity, and creativity. It just happens that the two coasts of the United States have attracted people for a long time. What I wanted to do is help move that center of gravity into the Midwest. That center of gravity, by the way, can be dispersed all over the globe. With a relatively modest gift compared to things at West Coast universities, we were able to build an entire quadrangle full of buildings. What that means to the university is they can now, with this beautiful facility, recruit great faculty and great students. The opportunity to really open that up in the Midwest was quite inspirational. I'm really proud to be part of it.
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CJ Desai34:10
That's amazing, Fred, and that's so inspirational. When we get resumes for internships as well as fresh graduates from IU, sometimes your name is there with your school name or Luddy major. It's wonderful to see how many people's lives it is changing.
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Frederic Luddy34:29
The only unfortunate one from that, I think, is my nephew Nick Luddy, who will get a degree from the Luddy School. I'm thinking on his resume, people are going to think he was homeschooled.
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CJ Desai34:40
Exactly. So Fred, you are so humble. You are an inspiration to so many entrepreneurs around the world: where you started the journey just before you turned 50, how you survived the financial crisis, how the company went public in 2012, and how the company continues to grow to delight customers. I would say one thing: Fred has been awarded top 100 innovators by Forbes magazine, he was on the cover of Forbes magazine in 2018, ServiceNow was voted as the most innovative company, and all of that started with Fred Luddy in 2003. So Fred, thank you for spending time with us. Thank you for honoring TiEcon with your presence and knowledge. Namaste everyone, and back to you.
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Frederic Luddy35:26
Thank you. Thank you.