Melinda Gates demands Bill Gates ‘answer’ after shocking claims in Epstein files

This is Power Hour with Gabriella Power.

Hello and welcome to Power Hour. I'm Gabriella Power. Thank you for joining us. Melinda Gates has broken her silence over the horrific allegations coming out of the Epstein files. Millions of pages of files have been released by the DOJ and plenty of powerful people have been named. One of them being Bill Gates, Microsoft founder and vaccine guru. In the newly released documents being emails Epstein sent to himself in 2013, Epstein appears to be accusing Bill Gates of being with Russian girls, contracting an STD, and was also writing emails about how to secretly drug his ex-wife with medication so he could get away with it. Bill Gates denies all of this, but his ex-wife, Melinda Gates, has broken her silence, and she wants answers about the allegations. This is what she had to say in a podcast with NPR.

The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had additional affairs and that he tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection and that he was going to give you the medicine without you knowing. His representative has said all of this is false. It is not on you to have to respond to the details of that alleged behavior. But I wonder what your dominant emotion is when you read these news articles with these details.

Wow. Melinda Gates goes on to say that this reminds her of a very painful time in her marriage, that no girl should have ever been put in the situation that they were put in by Epstein and whatever else may have been going on with all of the people around him. And she wants those people, including her ex-husband, the savior of health, to start answering questions and ultimately for there to be justice for the alleged victims in all of this because this is beyond heartbreaking. Although millions of documents have been made public recently, these are only half of the files. Millions of documents are still being hidden and the world deserves to know the truth about what happened and we will be discussing this more with our panel coming up. We'll also get the very latest on the escalating tensions with Iran as the US shoots down an Iranian drone. Josh Hammer and Joseph Accuser will be joining us for that. Plus, Charlie Kirk, suspected killer, returns to court. We'll be crossing to Washington DC where we'll be joined by CJ Pearson and also the royal family is well and truly in damage control as disgraced former prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor moves out of Royal Lodge. We'll be getting all the details from London with Andrew Eorn.

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Joining us now is our panel, political analyst Joe Suruser and senior editor at large of Newsweek, Josh Hammer. Thank you both for joining us. Let's start with Iran. Tensions between the US and Iran are escalating. Overnight, the US shot down an Iranian drone targeting the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. Iranian officials are now warning that they might pull out of negotiations with US special envoy Steve Witoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner that had been scheduled to take place in Turkey on Friday. Jose, can I get your analysis of what is happening at the moment and the direction that this is going?

Well, good morning and I guess it's good evening, Josh, where you are in South Florida. Look, we have been at war with Iran since 1979. Okay? And we've been going at it and we've threatened them and we're using today what they call Tom Schelling called compellance diplomacy, later refined to coercive diplomacy. We're trying to get them to do what we want them to do and that is stop killing their own people, stop enriching uranium and that kind of thing. And of course they're going to hit back. Now look, Iran is sort of a paper tiger in one way. I mean, I don't think they can resist combined American and Israeli airplanes and stuff like that, but it's as big as the size of Europe, almost twice the size of Texas. It's got 92 million people. And I know in my long career of observing and writing books and watching, you know, Trump's my 14th president. You can't really win any of these wars. I mean, you can't go to war unless you have foot soldiers. I mean, you actually have to go in. That's what prevented George H. W. Bush the first time going in Iraq. He said he didn't want to direct traffic in downtown Baghdad. And so, you know, we're trying to get them to do the right thing. And of course, Trump has promised them a little bit of help. The dissident a little bit of help. And look, we all know the bravery of the Persians. You know, the Persians didn't fall out of the trees yesterday. These people have thousands of years of history and pride and all the rest of it. And I'm sure there are many people there who are disgusted with the mullahs, the economy, and the rest of it. But if we start invading a place and putting foreign boots on foreign soils, we're going to create a few more enemies here than we want because people get very testy about their land.

And Josh, do you agree with that? I know Trump has repeatedly warned that Iran risks being attacked if it doesn't do a deal to give up its nuclear program. But at the moment, how do you see this playing out?

Yeah, so I broadly agree with what we just heard from Joe. Look, my own personal style of foreign policy is I'm not a huge fan of, let's call it, red line foreign policy. My own personal style and my preference would be that you kind of follow Teddy Roosevelt back in the day in so far as you speak softly and carry a big stick. You know, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist 70, one of our great essays on behalf of the Constitution's ratification back in the 1780s, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that in the executive, in the single man executive, there is secrecy and dispatch. So that's kind of more our style is more secrecy, dispatch, more deliberations and ultimately coming to a conclusion as opposed to this red line stuff. But Donald Trump did draw a red line, Gabriella, to your point and he was very, very clear about this. He put on Truth Social about a week into the protest there in the first week of January. He said, 'Look, if the regime starts massacring its own people, then we are going to take action.' And then about two weeks later, he said that the Iranian people go ahead and take the streets, go ahead and try to retake your institutions. Help is on the way. I mean, this is about as clear a red line as you can possibly get. And this red line has not merely been crossed. It has been utterly trampled over. It has been utterly eviscerated. We don't even know the exact number of Iranians who have been slaughtered. It's virtually impossible to say right now. I think a conservative estimate, we have somewhere between 25 and 40,000. I'm seeing some numbers potentially as high as 80 to 100,000. We just don't know. But it's a shockingly high number. It's one of the worst massacres of a regime on its own people in our entire lifetime. And again to me, at this point the repercussions of not doing something are likely going to be even worse than whatever the repercussions would be of actually doing something there. It's not just that Donald Trump has made this red line threat, Gabriella. He has taken his armada and he has taken it to the Middle East. This whole infrastructure is there. I think backing down will be really catastrophic at this point.

All those people killed and not one celebrity mentioned Iran at the Grammys. Let's talk about the newly released Epstein files. We know that former US President Bill Clinton and his wife, former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have now caved, agreeing to testify in the congressional investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. This comes days before the Republican-led House of Reps was expected to vote to hold both Clintons in criminal contempt over their resistance of legal summonses. Now, several pictures of Bill Clinton appeared in the files released by the DOJ. Of course, we have to say Bill Clinton has denied any wrongdoing. Joe, can I get your thoughts around this? I think there needs to be more than a congressional investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, but what do you make of this development?

Well, I mean, it's very interesting. Look, Bill Clinton is a sleazebag. You know, he's been sleazy, you know, when he was governor of Arkansas and then president and everybody heard rumors and then he got caught and all the rest of it. I mean, he brought the office of the presidency into disrepute. I don't think there's any more mileage in embarrassing this guy. I mean, when he's being questioned under a subpoena and all the rest of it, he's got to tell the truth or his version of the truth. I mean, you know, he's trying to avoid the contempt charge. And Hillary, I think her time has come and gone. That is, there's no more political mileage in getting embarrassing her. She's already had kind of an embarrassing end to her career anyway. But what bothers me about the Epstein thing is what looks like normalcy. You've got all these captains of industry and politicians and royalty hanging out with Epstein and some lawyers who should have known better as a matter of fact. And he's starting to give the impression that what he's doing is all right. Well, it's not all right. I mean, I was very suspicious when he got off the hook the first time and the prosecutor who let him off the hook didn't really have a very good explanation, as a matter of fact. And so, you know, there's a lot of things about Epstein that we're going to find out. Now, we got what, three and a half million pieces of information. There are two and a half million pieces to go. I'm amazed there's so many millions of pieces on this guy. And I don't think we're going to... No one's going to find a smoking gun on President Trump. There's smoke. All right. But he knew the guy and he knew everybody who knew everybody else. But the Epstein thing is going to be investigated further because the American people and these are good Republicans and good Democrats who want to take this thing a little bit further. But I'll tell you one thing that bothers me about this is that in his whole career, we have not heard a single story, email or anecdote about anybody who fronted Epstein's behavior and just punched him in the face. You know, I grew up with a nice family on the south side of Chicago. I had a very polite Catholic father, very polite Jewish mother, and that kind of behavior would never have been tolerated. Somebody would have famously pointed someone in the face. The idea that no captain of industry stood up to this guy strikes me as devastating. You know, the young lady who committed suicide in Australia who wrote her memoirs, she said at the end she got very discouraged about anything coming out of the Epstein files because she said she realized after a while that everybody at the upper levels of American society regarded this behavior as normal. Well, there's nothing normal about what they were doing. And God knows what else he was doing besides corrupting these people. He's probably setting up people for blackmail and he was wiggling and dealing. I mean, there's a lot of things there that people will be looking at hundreds of years after this conversation about how American society worked. But look, the whole thing stinks and I think a lot more people are going to be caught up in this and yes, there should be a full investigation. The American people will want to take this one to the end.

Yeah, we deserve the truth 100% and there are still so many questions. Josh, can I get your assessment?

Yeah, look, I think everyone knows at this point that Bill Clinton was a heck of a lot closer to Jeffrey Epstein than Donald Trump was. Donald Trump actually kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Jeffrey Epstein was actually a member of Mar-a-Lago. As soon as Donald Trump actually learned of these deeply, deeply sordid deeds that Jeffrey Epstein was affiliated with, Trump actually kicked him out and took away his membership card. And frankly, Gabrielle, one of my working theories is that this is actually the reason that Jeffrey Epstein became something of an anti-Trump provocateur in his later years. We actually saw these text exchanges. He was texting the non-voting representative from the US Virgin Islands during that Michael Cohen hearing in Congress back in 2019 there. He really had this deep-rooted anti-Trump animus. All these texts and emails with Michael Wolff as well. My working theory of the case is that Jeffrey Epstein was the kind of guy who basically knew everyone that he was pinging around hobnobbing with the rich and famous. Donald Trump was one of the only people who, to Joe's point, kind of had anything in him to kind of stand up and say no, I'm actually not going to be associated with this. So that's my theory as to why Epstein was so anti-Trump, especially in his later years. Now, is anything going to happen from Bill and Hillary Clinton to testify? Probably not. They're probably going to take the Fifth Amendment over and over and over again there. I could actually potentially see a way in which Democrats try to somehow make this actually redound to their interest. Maybe they try to ask questions, you know, Bill Clinton, tell us about the GDP growth when you were president, you know, try to kind of play up with the notion that the Democrats are very good at handling the economy there. This whole information operation about how Trump is overseeing an affordability crisis, which he's not. It's basically a fabrication media. Anyway, I'm kind of just spitballing here, but I could kind of see a way in which Democrats could try to get some of their own applause lines for the cameras. Gabrielle, personally, if I'm just being very candid and blunt here, I am somewhat frustrated with the Epstein story at this point. Not that I don't care about the truth. I care a lot about the truth. Rather, just putting on my legal cap as a lawyer who clerked on a federal appeals judge and I've seen god knows many criminal indictments and whatnot in my life here. I know that the statute of limitations for the overwhelming majority of the underlying crimes that were committed here have all but assuredly passed. So, while we all want justice, just putting on my legal cap here, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I do not see some sort of meaningful legal justice happening. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that there's some statute that has not expired and that there's some kind of big wig who can be carted off to prison or two or three or four or five or 100 or a million because this is really, really, really dark and nasty stuff there. But if I'm just being sober and I try to call it like I see it there, I don't necessarily see this ending with a huge amount of legal justice. Rather, I think the best that we can probably realistically hope for is political justice for those who have been involved in these sordid deeds.

Melinda Gates has broken her silence over some of the horrific allegations coming out of the files. In the newly released documents, there are allegations that Bill Gates was with Russian girls. He contracted STDs and then was allegedly writing emails about how to secretly drug his ex-wife with medication so he could get away with it. Of course, Bill Gates denies this, but his ex-wife, Melinda Gates, has broken her silence. She says she wants answers about the allegations. This is what she had to say in a podcast with NPR.

The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had additional affairs and that he tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection and that he was going to give you the medicine without you knowing. His representative has said all of this is false. It is not on you to have to respond to the details of that alleged behavior, but I wonder what your dominant emotion is when you read these news articles with these details.

Joe, can I get your reaction?

Well, look, my apologies to the lady. It's really more information than we need to know. I mean, it's a very embarrassing type of revelation. It just reminds me of how stupid Bill Gates is. I mean, to risk his reputation and his married life over going to, you know, Neverland or whatever that place was. I mean, it's just crazy. Yeah, you know, Paul Samuelson, the great economist, his mother was a real hellraiser. And she said to a rich guy, a very rich guy one day, who said to her first, he says, 'You know, if you're so smart, how come you're not rich?' And she said, 'Well, if you're so rich, how come you're so stupid?' And when I see these people, these captains of industry and pulling this kind of stuff and admitting to these kinds of things, I mean, I just wonder what the hell's going on in our minds when we put this guy on, you know, we elevate this guy. He gives a lot of money away. He's done a lot of good things, but at the end of the day, he's just kind of creepy.

I think that's an interesting point, Josh. And I was speaking to someone yesterday about the former prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. And I think what shocks so many people is how stupid they are that they've been okay with being photographed in these compromising positions. And Bill Gates, although he denies these emails, these emails suggest that he was planning on giving his wife medication secretly after getting an STD.

Well, I mean, this is why the Epstein saga has so many people who are asking questions as to what the heck was going on here, right? I mean, because how could so many people be so stupid? How could nobody blow the whistle for so long when it came to the horrific underage, you know, sex trafficking rings and all the various other terrible things that were happening at Epstein Island? I mean, there's a million questions going on here. How the heck did Jeffrey Epstein get his money? How the heck did he get the Rolodex that he got there? How was he hobnobbing with heads of state? How was he? I mean, the guy knew everyone. He knew absolutely everyone there. So, I mean, it's kind of the perfect fodder for conspiracy theorists, right? I mean, you have basically everything imaginable. You have the heads of state, you have wealth, you have an island in the Caribbean. You have girls, you have this. I mean, you have everything imaginable that could kind of make the mind reel. And here we are, and it's been roughly two decades, give or take, since a lot of this underlying conduct happened. And we really still don't have a whole lot of the answers there. And we've now seen millions and millions of emails, millions and millions of documents. Trump administration, to their credit, they did not initially handle this the absolute best they could. I think that'll be a very polite way of saying it last summer. It was not their finest hour. I've said that over and over and over again, but they are now playing by the rules. Congress passed a statute forcing their hand. And I think that people kind of deserve to know as much as they possibly can there. But again, Gabrielle, if I'm just being very candid here, and I know that there are some folks on my side of the aisle who don't necessarily agree with this point. I personally am more focused on kind of the day-to-day issues that are affecting Americans in the here and present. I'm more focused personally on the cost of groceries, on the inflation price, on the southern border, on the ICE border patrol debate there. So, I really hope that we can get some sort of resolution to this Epstein story and more transparency, I think, will go a long way towards that. Testify and hopefully I think we'll try to heal a lot of wounds as well there. But ultimately, I really do hope that we can somehow find a way to move on to the issues that are really affecting Americans more tangibly on a day-to-day basis right now.

No, that's absolutely a fair point. I want to talk about what's happening overseas in Italy. Violent clashes have broken out during a large protest in Turin, Italy over the weekend as anarchists and leftists attacked police, prompting Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni to strongly condemn the unrest and vow a firm response. She said on X that violence against police and threats to the public order would not be tolerated. Joe, can I get your response, your assessment of what's unfolded in Italy?

Well, I mean, it's an interesting development, but look, Italy's always handled these things pretty well. You know, people forget that when we had terrorism in Italy, the Red Brigade, the Italians beat these guys up and they didn't have a major terrorist or anarchist type attack in Italy for many, many decades. As a matter of fact, the Italians know how to respond to this. And you know, all my people came from Sicily, which I'm sure provided a lot of terror, a lot of anarchists in the mix 150 years ago. But look, it just shows you that in Italy, which has run pretty well, by the way, by regions. Federal governments never impressed me very much, is that there are some elements out of control. And we've seen this behavior skip oceans. You know, in the 60s we had 25 American cities burning and now we're seeing cities or this kind of behavior elsewhere and I hope it doesn't pick up in the United States because we don't want to go through that again.

Yeah, Josh, it's interesting. We're looking at the vision now. It's pretty extraordinary. We'll just read you more of what Giorgia Meloni had to say. She said, 'This morning I went to the hospital in Turin to bring on behalf of Italy my solidarity to two of the officers who were injured in yesterday's clashes, adding against them hammers, molotov cocktails, nail bombs, and stones launched with catapults, blunt objects of every kind to prevent police from communicating.' I mean, can I get your take?

Well, Gabrielle, putting on my cap as an American, I guess my first take is it's somewhat reassuring, albeit in a bizarre sense. I guess somewhat reassuring to know that we're not the only country that deals with these kind of hooligans and malcontents. I mean, every so often it's nice to be reminded that the Antifa Black Lives Matter style anarchy that has really taken America by the vice grip for the past, you know, better part of the past decade. Sometimes I feel like it's a uniquely American phenomenon and videos like this kind of just remind us that this sentiment really is throughout the world and especially throughout the world where there are right-of-center leaders in charge. Giorgia Meloni is the right-of-center leader in one of the... I mean, not that Italy is a US or China superpower but they are part of the G7. Italy is historically one of the more powerful nations in Europe. At least as far as kind of the after Germany nations in Europe go. It's definitely kind of a second tier power if nothing else on the world stage there. And she's pretty outspoken when it comes to a lot of major issues there. She has been pretty outspoken when it comes to the migration crisis, when it comes to the fact that Italy cannot just be kind of a dumping ground of a lot of third world, especially Islamic world refugees there. She's taken a lot of kind of culturally edgy stances there. And this is how the anarchists, this is how the leftists react to this, right? Is they simply cannot abide people who are going to have a different opinion, they're not going to abide folks who are going to try to enforce immigration laws there, who are going to try to take an XYZ approach when it comes to the economy that they don't agree with. There's really just no room for tolerance or civil disagreement when it comes to many folks on the left these days there. Hope that order is restored because Italy again had been something of a success. I will note that in our own hemisphere...

Here in the Western Hemisphere, we actually just had another election of a victorious right-winger in Costa Rica, of all countries. An inspiring 39-year-old free market candidate, pro-life candidate as well. Costa Rica seemingly is now going the way of El Salvador in that particular part of the world, which is a potentially very interesting development. Javier Milei, of course, is kicking butt in Argentina. So we are seeing the rise of more of these right-of-center leaders in the mold of a Donald Trump, in the mold of a guy like Bolsonaro in Brazil, Mr. Orbán in Hungary, and now Giorgia Meloni in Italy as well. But unfortunately, with strong conservative leadership, Gabrielle, definitely comes a price as well.

Senior editor at large at Newsweek, Josh Hammer, and political analyst Professor Joe Siracusa. Thank you both so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.

Thank you, Gabriella.

Let's cross to the US now. Joining us is CJ Pearson, RNC Youth Advisory Council co-chair. CJ, it's great to see you. Let's start with Tyler Robinson. Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, is back in court. His legal team has been arguing that the prosecutor's office has a conflict of interest and should be removed from the case because one of the prosecutor's 18-year-old children was at Utah Valley University when Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. Also, Erica Kirk, she's been pushing for meaningful media access in this trial. So there's full transparency because as we've been seeing for some time now, there are plenty of conspiracy theories getting plenty of traction. CJ,

You know, you're exactly right. It's incredible to see Erica Kirk continuing to be as strong as she is as she navigates this process. And again, calling for transparency, which I think is probably making a lot of those conspiracy theorists very much upset because it absolutely blows up their entire narrative. You know, it's interesting to see the legal counsel of Tyler Robinson again try to delay this case. That was another motion that Erica Kirk had filed asking for a speedy trial to be conducted. Stop the delays. Stop the grandstanding. Let's get justice for Charlie Kirk. Nothing's going to stand in the way of that. Erica is going to keep fighting and I'm glad that she is.

Oh, absolutely. One woman who thought it was hilarious to watch a protester celebrate Charlie Kirk's death is the charming Jennifer Welch. And she's now using her podcast, her platform, to push deranged conspiracy theories about the president. Here is Jennifer Welch on her podcast, 'I've Had It,' insisting that Trump's assassination attempt back in Butler was all staged.

Obviously, a lot of people are late to the party on this. A lot of people during the last presidential campaign got intoxicated by Trump's campaign. They got intoxicated by the 'fight, fight' photo, which I'm now going to go on the permanent record. I think he totally staged the assassination. I've watched it. I think he staged it. They lowered the flag. They let the press go in. I think he staged the whole thing. That's just my opinion. Maybe I'm going blue or not. I don't care.

CJ, can I get your reaction to this?

That woman is unwell. Unwell. Like I mean, when I think about the name of her show, 'I've Had It,' I don't know if she's talking about she's had Sauvignon Blanc, a little bit of Cab, and maybe some Don Julio tequila right before recording because every single time she opens her mouth, she wants to bring up intoxication. I think she's intoxicated every single time she speaks and she talks. The fact that this is a woman who was allowed to go on CNN almost every other night to spar with Scott Jennings and we're supposed to treat her as a legitimate intellectual or legitimate political commentator as she spreads conspiracy theories about the attempted assassination of the leader of the free world. Give me a break. If a Republican did the same thing about any Democrat who's a victim of brazen political violence, they would be cancelled. Their career would be over. We would not treat them as a legitimate political personality and or voice. When will we hold this woman to that same standard? I'm waiting on that.

You are exactly right, CJ. I couldn't have said it better myself. I have to get your thoughts on the Grammys. Singer Billie Eilish is right now being savagely mocked and labeled a hypocrite for declaring that 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' And of course, she said, 'F ICE.' That was what was on trend at the Grammys. Now, she made those comments while she owns a massive gated Hollywood mansion. And now, the Daily Mail is reporting that the Native American tribe, the Tongva tribe, that owns land under Billie Eilish's multi-million dollar LA mansion, said that celebrities should be explicitly referencing the tribes if they want to use them to virtue signal. CJ, do you have a message to Billie Eilish or what did you make of this?

You just can't make this stuff up. If she really feels as if she's living on stolen land, then well, give it back, Billie. No one's stopping you. Give it to any illegal you want to. Give it to any Native American tribe you wish to. No one is stopping you. But I guarantee you she won't. If she wants to house, you know, I assume the mansion's quite spacious. You know, put a hundred illegals in there. What is stopping her from doing so? It's the fact that she actually doesn't give a damn about any of these people. She wants to go on stage and use her white guilt to make herself feel as if she's doing something. She thinks she's probably the reincarnation of Martin Luther King Jr. when she looks in the window. None of those things are true. Put your money where your mouth is, Billie, which is apparently in the hands of illegal aliens, but mine won't be going there, so maybe you can pick up the slack for me.

Yeah, she's getting absolutely slammed for this. So are other celebrities all wearing their 'F ICE' pins. That was the message that was on trend. Last year it was all 'Free Palestine.' This year it's all 'F ICE.' Interesting. Just talking about immigration, you know, why we have immigration enforcement, it's not only to make America safer. Of course, it's doing that, but it's also to make America more affordable. CJ,