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Rotating Chairman, Huawei

Huawei Global Analyst Summit 2021

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About Eric Xu

Eric Xu, Rotating Chairman of Huawei, stated at the company’s 2022 Annual Report Press Conference in March 2023 that the year ahead would be “crucial to Huawei's sustainable survival and development,” citing a “challenging external environment” and “non-market factors” that continue to affect operations. He said Huawei would focus on unlocking new growth opportunities, enhancing business resilience, and ensuring product competitiveness. Xu also estimated that Huawei’s addressable markets would exceed one trillion US dollars by 2027. In earlier appearances, Xu commented on the impact of U.S. sanctions on the semiconductor industry, stating that China’s semiconductor industry would “take efforts to self-save” and that he believed it would “realize a very strong and self-reliant industry.” He also discussed Huawei’s investment in research and development, noting that the company invests more than 10% of revenue annually, and highlighted the role of ICT technology in reducing industrial emissions. At the 2021 Global Analyst Summit, Xu said that “unwarranted U.S. sanctions” could trigger a new global economic crisis<|begin▁of▁file|>.

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Transcript (66 segments)
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Simon Webb0:09
Hello and good afternoon to everyone here with us in Shenzhen, and good afternoon or good morning depending on where you are in the world to those of you joining us virtually. Welcome to the 18th Huawei Global Analyst Summit under the theme 'Building a Fully Connected, Intelligent World.' My name is Simon Webb and I'll be moderating the coming sessions. We are proud to bring together many hundreds of guests from industry, analyst firms, the domestic and international media, as well as our industry partners. We only need your attention for a mere two hours today, but we have a lot to cover in that time. We have two speakers: first, Mr. William Xu, Huawei Director of the Board and President of the Institute of Strategic Research. He will be followed by Mr. Eric Xu, Huawei Deputy Chairman and Rotating Chairman. And we will conclude with a question and answer session. So without further ado, let's get started. To take us through how we will stride towards the intelligent world of the year 2030, please welcome to the stage Mr. William Xu.
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William Xu1:38
Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon, including our friends joining online. Hello everyone. Last year, a friend of mine told me that he has been joining our HAS summit for 15 years in a row. I hope that he's still here with us today. And this again is our 18th Huawei Global Analyst Summit. We have all had a difficult year facing many new challenges because of the pandemic and anti-globalization. Today, we are at the beginning of a new decade that will bring new uncertainties and opportunities. The ICT industry will also face new challenges and needs to make new breakthroughs. Population and energy underpin the well-being of our society. A UN report shows that by 2030, the global population will reach 8.6 billion, where over 12 percent will be 65 or older. Can we define a person above the age of 65 as an elderly person? Well, we have a question mark there, but still, this is a quite serious set of statistics. As for the percentage of people aged 25 or younger, it is also decreasing. Therefore, aging populations and labor shortages are hindering our social progress. There is an increasing need for solutions that not only prolong life but also improve quality of life and ensure dignity during end-of-life care. Global energy consumption is growing at an annual rate of 1.7 percent. Energy consumption has increased by 22 times since the 18th century according to a report, and currently 85 percent of the energy comes from fossil fuels. Energy sustainability is a daunting universal challenge. Therefore, low-carbon energy, electricity, and intelligent transformation are needed to ensure sustainability. We predict that by 2030, more than 50 percent of energy will come from renewable sources, more than 50 percent of cars sold will be electric, as mobility via electricity will become the mainstream. AI will change everything as more than 80 percent of homes will have smart robots. What kind of role can the ICT industry play? Well, if these numbers pan out, ICT technologies could help reduce global carbon emissions by 20 percent over the next decade by empowering other industries. This is quite a challenging goal. We have many expectations for the future that will require us to transcend our limits. We hope we can exceed the biological limits of perception. Now, our phone cameras have achieved 100 times zoom thanks to the digital technology, but there's still a huge gap between camera capabilities and what animals can achieve in nature. You may not like spiders, but spiders are much better at detecting the outlines of objects and motion than mankind. So is it possible that we can learn from them to leverage their capabilities so that we are able to develop cameras which can meet the requirements of autonomous driving? We hope that we can go beyond the wisdom of animals in the natural world. And we know that we have many AI applications. Nevertheless, deep neural networks are hard to train and consume a lot of energy. For example, if we play chess, it could take a certain amount of energy. But let's look at an ant brain. It only consumes 0.2 milliwatts of power but can process many activities like nest-making, friends, fighting, or feeding and fights. So we're thinking, is it possible that we can develop our artificial intelligence that can help us to overcome the new challenges? And we also hope to transcend physical limits to enjoy truly immersive experiences. Currently, 5G networks are far from being able to offer such experiences, even though now the 5G networks have been deployed at a large scale. Therefore, we need to offer faster network speeds and lower latency for life-size holographic communication. We also hope we can extend our horizons by developing microscopic devices. What I mean by that is scientists can use computing to realize molecule and atom-level design and assembly so as to greatly improve the performance of chips and components. As we all know, our world is constructed on three pillars: matter, energy, and information. And from them, we can figure out what future challenges we will face. Matter is the origin of existence, energy drives motion, while information determines connections. We predict that by 2030, there will be hundreds of billions of connections worldwide. Broadband speeds of 10 Gbps will be available to every user. We will see a 100-fold increase in computing power and storage capacity. More than 50 percent of energy will come from renewable sources. Technologies around information and energy generation, transmission, processing, and consumption will need continuous evolution. Based on these predictions and assumptions, I would like to talk about the challenges we will need to address and the directions of the employment or further development in the next decade. The first challenge will be about defining 5.5G to support hundreds of billions of diverse connections. 5G is for enabling everything so that they can be connected, but in addition to connecting people, we also need to connect massive numbers of things, and the demands for those connections will be very diverse. The three use cases defined by 5G are not able to support all kinds of diverse IoT scenarios. For example, industrial IoT applications require both massive connections and large uplink bandwidth. So they need to develop a new scenario that falls between eMBB and mMTC, and we call it uplink-centric broadband communication, known as UCBC. There's also another type of applications that need ultra-broadband, low latency, and high reliability, and that means there will be a scenario that falls between eMBB and URLLC, and we'll call it real-time broadband communication, RTBC. Vehicle-road collaboration in connected vehicles requires both communication and sensing capabilities. So we need other new scenarios known as harmonized communication and sensing, HCS. Therefore, 5G scenarios must be upgraded from the previous triangle to the hexagon of 5.5G so as to support all things connected and all things intelligent. This is the second challenge. We know that the challenge posed by the connection via 5G is about the number of connectivities that we can achieve, but in terms of fiber capacity, it is very important. Today, a single fiber can support 1 million 4K video streams at the same time. We hope that 10 years from now, that is in 2030, it will need to be able to support 1 million people interacting in mixed reality, known as MR. This means that for the capacity of a single fiber to exceed 100 Tbps, and it will need to expand by 10-fold. First of all, we'll have to work on optical transceiver lasers and use high-modulation components to double or triple baud rates. In addition, new modulation, coding, and algorithms will be required to multiply the capacity. And second, we must develop new broad-frequency and low-noise optical amplifiers that support manual control for reliable auto long-haul transmissions. And third, we'll need to study dynamic controls for optical networks and transform the WDM networks into a synchronous system to improve anti-interference and efficiently use optical resources through computing. And of course, when we use those methodologies in the future, it will only be an increase of 10 times. And in the longer term, we also need to research new fiber and optical systems like space-division multiplexing. If you are in this field, then you will know that it's about applying the radio technologies into the fiber domain so as to increase the capacity of a single fiber by 100-fold. What about the third challenge? It's about network protocols. Today, our networks can support tens of billions of consumer connections. By 2030, they will need to support trillions of industry connections, and this will bring three major obstacles to network protocols. The first will be in achieving deterministic networks. As we know, for IP, the latency is undeterministic. Therefore, we need guaranteed deterministic latency. We must use new network calculus theories and protocols to transform the best-effort network latency we have today into a deterministic latency that can be calculated in advance. So that is one part of the challenge. And second is about security. When all things are connected, security systems will face serious challenges. Large numbers of external devices such as drones, cameras, edge computing devices, and sensors will create new security risks. They themselves are smart devices, and therefore, a large number of external devices will introduce new security risks. So we have to adopt intrinsic end-to-end security frameworks and protocols. Third is flexibility in the IP protocol. As the variety of industry requirements increases, some will require longer IP addresses while others will require shorter. To resolve this issue, we will need to expand IP addresses with fixed lengths and develop new internet protocols that feature semantic and syntax flexibility. So the third challenge is about phasing with the industry internet. We have to upgrade and optimize our network protocols. And now let's look at challenge number four: computing capacity. Capacity will need to determine the strength of the intelligent world, as we need advanced computing power to support the intelligent world. In 2030, the demand for computing power will see a 100-fold jump. The current single-core CPU performance increases about 50 percent every year, but right now that rate has dropped to 10 percent only. And we are also finding that general-purpose computing is very inefficient in some domains. Achieving sufficiently advanced computing power will be a huge challenge. First, digital computing will shift its base from general-purpose to special-purpose processing units. Heterogeneous computing architecture such as CPU, GPU, XPU will coexist in the base. Second, in the digital world that will live in, we might still want to leverage analog computing because analog computing will benefit certain fields. Optical computing will be applied to signal processing, combinatorial optimization, and machine learning. In particular, it will prove to be of great value for massive MIMO in wireless communication and optical communication. Therefore, optical, photonic computing, and analog computing are two interesting research topics. Challenge five: extracting knowledge from massive data for breakthroughs in industrial AI. To apply AI in vertical industries, diverse applications and trustworthiness of AI are inescapable problems. Someone asked the question, when will we realize the third generation of AI? It is indeed a challenge. AI models of common use are key to addressing these challenges. Using unlabeled data to expand the models from semi-supervised to self-supervised, the key is to build common AI systems. This area awaits breakthroughs. Second, the intersection of AI and scientific computing benefits common AI solutions. AI has provided new methods, tools, and thinking for scientific computing, while the latter contributes to the interpretability of artificial intelligence. Finally, trustworthy AI is a long-term goal. It is a great challenge for mission-critical areas such as those where lives are at stake, for example, autonomous driving, because not just correlation but causality must be made. Challenge six: storage. Storage density and ease of use are two challenges. First, storage density. With the same unit space and power, storage density will need to increase by 100 times in the coming decade. Confined by media and power, storage systems can accommodate such an increase. The future storage systems will need breakthroughs in large-capacity, low-latency memory tech such as DNA storage and high-dimensional optical storage, and new spatial model and coding tech to tear down the capacity wall. Second, ease of use. In the storage systems, data access speeds will increase from terabyte per second to petabyte per second, and access latency will decrease from milliseconds to microseconds, and its performance will need to increase by 100 times. Under the von Neumann architecture, data needs to move between the CPUs, memories, and media. However, the progress of PCIe and DDR bandwidth lags far behind that of the outside networks. The future storage systems need to be free from the von Neumann limitations. Instead of CPU-centric, they will be memory and data-centric. Instead of moving data around, they will be moving computing in order to tear down the performance wall. This is the sixth challenge. Now, challenge seven: combining computing and sensing for a hyper-reality multi-modal experience. The intelligent world should offer ultimate user experience. I think by 2030, hyper-reality will come true. So what is hyper-reality? It is created by seamlessly integrating the virtual and physical worlds. It first needs to accurately perceive and reconstruct the physical world, and then accurately understand the user intent in the combined worlds. To do this, the surrounding environment, we have to integrate information such as speech, touch, light, and brain-computer data collected by multi-modal sensors. The surrounding environment should act as a supercomputer that collects the information by relying on the above-mentioned sources of data. It analyzes user intent and presents information to users through naked-eye 3D displays, holographic projection, AR contact lenses, digital smell, and digital touch. Challenge eight: enabling continuous self-monitoring for more proactive health management. How to manage chronic diseases is a prominent issue for an aging society. Statistics show that 85 percent of deaths are caused by chronic diseases. That makes real-time monitoring essential. It requires breakthroughs in medical-grade wearables, such as those for non-invasive blood glucose and continuous blood pressure detection, as well as continuous ECG. Take blood pressure as an example. Optical sensors can provide more accurate pulses than PPGs and better data for blood pressure modeling and algorithms. Cloud services and artificial intelligence can be leveraged to build an integrated health data platform for individuals to implement proactive health management. Brain-computer interface, muscle-computer interface, and exoskeleton robotics and such can contribute to proactive health management and dignified, happy lives of the elderly. For one to be happy, one has to control and manage your own health through the BCIs, MCIs, as well as exoskeleton robotics, instead of handing over all your routines and tasks to the robots. Let me turn to one final challenge: energy. Targets of emission peak and carbon neutrality have prompted faster transformation toward renewable energy. Challenges of power generation, storage, and consumption have also been introduced. Regarding power generation, centralized power solutions are evolving towards distributed ones, which means the power system will be closer to the users. In the past, users were pure consumers, while they will be prosumers. In this way, there will be more energy nodes of bilateral transmission. Such a power grid shares the same characteristics with the communication networks. Regarding storage, the traditional grids barely store the energy. As renewable sources will play a primary role in the future mix, storage will be essential. That will add to the complexity of power grids. Affordable and smart energy management systems will be essential. In terms of power consumption, that will be key to building zero-carbon communities, campuses, and cities. A smart kinetic power grid is indispensable. It involves the following technologies for generation, storage, and consumption. Let me talk about the several key technologies. First of all, management technology. ICT technologies such as big data, AI, and cloud services integrated with the power grid to help manage watts with bits. Second, the control technology. The routers in the energy networks can be optimized to realize two-way energy flows and intelligent power distribution with a smart controller for the energy networks. Third, storage technology. New energy storage technology such as electrochemical and hydrogen will meet requirements of different use cases. Fourth, the basic technology of power electronics. Now, full-power semiconductor compounds including silicon carbide, diamond for medium and high voltage, and gallium nitride for medium and low voltages can help make energy devices more efficient and compact. These are the nine technical challenges and research areas for the entire ICT industry. We have addressed energy and health management, these two domains, what we engage in, and we have set goals for ourselves. We believe that energy will be one of the most considerable challenges for us, and it also represents great opportunities. What we hope to see in the intelligent world 2030 is stronger connectivity, faster computing, and greener power. We have to pull together our wisdom and innovation to address these challenges. Fusing humanity, Huawei is not working on this alone. We have to pull together innovation, and we have to do it in an open, inclusive, and collaborative way. We are building our labs, but at the same time, we are working with universities and research institutes in the joint labs. We are also providing funds for the research programs. These are just the various means of open collaboration in innovation. While at the same time, we are working with investors including the venture capital companies to provide funds for the cutting-edge technologies. In this way, we would like to incubate and develop new technologies. We embrace open, inclusive, and collaborative innovation mechanisms to overcome these challenges. With imagination, we can see the future, but with technology, we can get there. Industries, real-world problems, academic research, and venture capital, if well integrated, can facilitate collaboration and innovation that lead us into the intelligent world 2030. Thank you.
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Simon Webb26:35
Thank you, Mr. Xu, for that insightful presentation. It is now my pleasure to welcome to the stage Mr. Eric Xu, Huawei Deputy Chairman and Rotating Chairman, to take us through Huawei's strategy during this era of uncertainty. Please welcome Mr. Xu to the stage.
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Eric Xu27:11
Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and good morning. Welcome to Huawei's Global Analyst Summit 2021. You know, for two years in the past, I didn't really come here at this meeting, and I believe that there will be new friends and new participants to this HAS. I would like to take this opportunity to talk about some of the things we have in the plan, and some of them are still in the process of discussion. I feel very happy that we can explore these issues together. You must know that on March 31st, Huawei released our 2020 annual report. Our sales revenue reached 891.4 billion RMB, up 3.8 percent year-on-year. Our net profits were recorded at 64.6 billion RMB, up 3.2 percent year-on-year. In general, our 2020 financial results were consistent with our expectations. Given the sanctions and the pandemic, our 2020 performance was satisfactory. But given our larger-scale stockpiling strategy, our operating cash flow was 35.2 billion RMB, which was in line with our forecast. To break it down by business, well, there are three business groups. First, for the carrier business, it grew steadily with a sales revenue of 302.6 billion RMB, up 0.2 percent year-on-year. Seizing opportunities in digital transformation, our enterprise business maintained sound growth and achieved a sales revenue of 100.3 billion RMB, a year-on-year increase of 23 percent. In terms of consumer business, our mobile phones saw a revenue decline due to the sanctions, but we further implemented our seamless AI life strategy involving PCs, tablets, smart wearables, and smart screens. We call it the '1+8' business. It saw a revenue growth of 65 percent. Moving into the future, the '1+8' business will be one of our focuses. Therefore, for the consumer business, we have reached 482.9 billion RMB with a year-on-year increase of 3.3 percent in 2020. In order to survive and to address supply continuity and to ensure sustainable development in the future, we have further increased our R&D investment. In 2020, our R&D investment amounted to 141.893 billion RMB, accounting for 15.9 percent of our annual revenue. Facing towards the future, while we will continue to make breakthroughs in researches on basic science and cutting-edge technologies, identify industry requirements, and tackle universal challenges based on vision and assumptions. Just now, William Xu has shared with us the continuous technology challenges in 2030, and these are the common challenges faced by the entire industry. And throughout this process, Huawei tries to address some of those challenges, but mostly will rely on the joint efforts of every party in this industry because we require the joint efforts and joint investments to collaboratively resolve those challenges. 2021 is going to be a year that we will also see a lot of attention on this company, and we believe that it will continue to be a challenging year. But it is also the year when we start to form a clear development strategy, because last year mostly we were trying to address the outcomes or the results of the different waves of sanctions, but now we are able to talk about how we can move along the path. Now, I would like to share with you the key strategic initiatives. There are five of them, including: optimized portfolio to boost business resilience; maximize 5G value and define 5.5G to drive industry evolution; third, provide a seamless user-centric and intelligent experience across all scenarios; fourth, innovate to reduce energy consumption for a low-carbon world; fifth, address supply continuity challenges. Let me introduce each one of them in detail. For Huawei, we are at times of uncertainty due to a series of issues such as geopolitics, repeated pandemics, and also the U.S. sanctions on Huawei. Against this background, boosting business resilience is our top priority and also the basic guiding principle, namely, we will optimize portfolio to boost business resilience. From last year till now, we have been optimizing our portfolio so as to help enhance our business resilience, and I will explain those one by one. First, strengthen software, and that will be from two aspects. First is to improve software capabilities. As you know, at the end of 2018, or at the end of that year's November, we have passed a conclusion that we will invest two billion U.S. dollars to improve Huawei's company-wide software capabilities. And two years have passed since then. I would say that our overall software capabilities have seen remarkable progress, and we will continue with that investment within a five-year cycle. Huawei's software engineering capabilities will reach another milestone, and it is thanks to our two years of continuous efforts on software capability improvement. We hope that we can further leverage this outcome to reduce our reliance on chips and to make our products more competitive. We're also trying to find out what are the opportunities in the software domain, and once found, we will increase investment and increase the proportion of software and service revenue. You may be very interested in, for example, our cloud computing domain's organizational structural changes and also personnel changes. We think that at the core of the cloud services is software. We hope we can enhance our software organization so that it will be able to have further investment, to have more independent development, and therefore to boost our business growth. And next is about investing more in businesses less reliant on advanced process techniques. For example, optical technologies were first applied to communications. Now we realize that such technologies can be applied to other domains such as optical display, head-up display, laser headlight, as well as fiber sensing. So we're thinking that we are able to expand new opportunities and explore new industries on top of those technologies instead of dwelling on the existing domains, so as to continuously meet the consumers' and enterprises' needs. Third, this is a point which I believe will attract a lot of attention, and that is about investing more in components for intelligent vehicles, especially autonomous driving software. Whether it is autonomous driving, self-driving, connected vehicles, no matter what kind of terms you put to that concept, at the core is the autonomous driving software, whether it is able to support the future automobiles that they can drive on their own, so that we can be one step closer towards self-driving. We hope that we can leverage this to promote the entire automobile industry's self-driving development, and we also believe that we need to promote the entire automobile industry so they can be further converged with the ICT industry. That will be long-term and continuous strategic opportunities, and Huawei has been committed to achieving self-driving by investing heavily in self-driving software. And Richard recently was talking about how we can help automakers to sell cars that perform well, and we are able to achieve that by focusing on the investment in self-driving. Once self-driving is achieved, we're able to disrupt all of the related industries, and we think that in the foreseeable future, namely in the next one decade, the biggest opportunity and the breakthrough will be from the automobile industry. And second, we can see that the global 5G rollout exceeds our expectations. By the end of 2020, more than 140 5G networks have been deployed worldwide, with more than 330 million 5G users. However, we understand that in order to achieve 5G business success, 5G to C, namely the one that meets the consumers' needs, and also 5G to B, namely the one that can meet the needs of different verticals, have to be developed in parallel. So first of all, we have to strengthen 5G to C development and to accelerate the growth of 5G users, accelerate the transition from 4G to 5G usage. In this way, 5G networks can carry more traffic, and this is the issue that we are trying to resolve together with the carriers so as to help boost the further development of 5G by attracting more and more 5G users. And also, we need to improve the 5G to B solutions to realize the social value of 5G. By 2020, 5G to B has been developing mainly in the Chinese market, and Huawei has participated in most of these projects. To date, Huawei has participated in more than 3,000 innovative projects worldwide, and together we have signed more than 1,000 5G to B project contracts with carriers and partners in more than 20 industries. And there has been great progress in manufacturing, steel, coal, and port industries, which have brought social value while improving efficiency. And gradually, we are able to show the value of 5G to B. In 2021, our main task is to adapt to key industry requirements such as highly reliable network connections, large uplink capacity, deterministic latency assurance, and service capabilities for small-scale planning, construction, maintenance, and optimization of a massive number of enterprises, so that more and more businesses and more and more verticals are able to benefit from 5G to B. Of course, we realize that the current commercial practices are able to support the current stage of 5G development, but currently it is not able to meet all the different kinds of demands from different verticals. And in order to fully leverage the value of 5G technologies, we need to continuously evolve 5G standards. Therefore, Huawei proposed 5.5G at the MBBF 2020. We hope that 5.5G will be the next milestone on the basis of 5G, and 5.5G is about the possibility of expanding the uplink broadband communication, real-time broadband communication, and harmonized communication and sensing. If you look at the current 5G concept, we'll focus on the three scenarios: eMBB, namely large bandwidth; another is massive connections; and third is low latency. Those are the three scenarios that come with 5G. And while 5G is able to meet these three different major scenarios' requirements, we hope that there can be three more that are added to the picture, namely uplink-centric broadband communication, real-time broadband communication, and harmonized communication and sensing. So allow me to introduce that to you one by one. UCBC: for this scenario, it mainly supports uplink ultra-broadband experience on top of the 5G capability. That is, at peak bandwidth of 250 Mbps, the uplink bandwidth can reach 10 Gbps and more. As William said, we want to achieve 100 Gbps in 2030, but that is about the further exploration and benefit brought by the millimeter wave. And here we are talking about the appliance bandwidth of 10 Gbps and more, with an increase of more than 40 times, meeting the upload requirements of machine vision and massive broadband IoT in enterprise production and manufacturing scenarios. Because we realize that there are more and more demands for the uplink transmissions compared with the downlink transmissions. Because traditionally we thought that downlink was more important, but when we try to cater to different verticals' requirements, we see that uplink is also very critical. The second is the RTBC scenario, which supports large bandwidth and low interaction latency. The target capability is to increase the bandwidth by 10 times under a given latency to create immersive experience, so that people can interact with AR, VR, all the different kinds of applications. And third, actually, we're able to allow perception with the help of 5G. So we're thinking how we can converge communication and sensing while also providing centimeter-level high-precision and low-power indoor location services. When you try to park your car in the indoor parking lot, you will see that the signal becomes weak, but with the help of 5.5G, it can offer location services. So that with the help of such sensing capabilities, we are able to better promote the development of self-driving. And in the future, Huawei looks forward to working with the industry to define 5.5G to maximize its value to drive industry evolution. And that is to say, 5G is just at its starting point as of right now, and we can continue to define 5.5G, and in that way, it will be six scenarios instead of the traditional three scenarios that come with 5G, so as to better meet the demands of different verticals. And third, as you know, because of the U.S. sanctions, Huawei's mobile phone businesses have been greatly affected. However, our commitment to consumers stays the same. We'll focus on user-centric applications such as smart home, smart office, easy travel, fitness and health, and entertainment to continuously create a seamless user-centric and intelligent experience across all scenarios. Based on HarmonyOS and HMS, Huawei works with developers and ecosystem partners to continuously enrich the hardware and service ecosystems. In particular, I would like to address Huawei's HarmonyOS. This is our operating system, which is a distributed one for all scenarios. Currently, the operating system has been supporting Huawei smart screens, smart wearables, and head units. Next, HarmonyOS will be running our mobile phones. Currently, 20 hardware vendors and 280 application vendors have participated in the ecosystem construction. It is expected that more than 40 mainstream brands and 100 million devices will become the new entry point for the HarmonyOS experience in 2021. Huawei will continue to build a global ecosystem. HMS has become the third-largest mobile application ecosystem in the world. By the end of 2020, the number of registered developers worldwide exceeded 2.3 million, 300,000 developers outside China, and the number of HMS-based applications exceeded 120,000. The number of Huawei AppGallery applications outside China increased by more than 10 times compared to 2019, serving more than 700 million Huawei end-users in over 170 countries and regions. In other words, all Huawei device users have had access to Huawei HMS-enabled applications. The targets of emissions peak and carbon neutrality have become the buzzwords and a global consensus. While we actively support and participate in the fight against climate change, we believe this is a fight for the future of humanity. We believe our biggest contribution can be to help vertical industries reduce energy consumption and create a low-carbon society with our tech and innovation. Inside Huawei, it's easier for us to achieve carbon neutrality because we can just balance out the consumption and the emission, but we should do more than that. We strive to contribute more with our continuous innovation. We aim to help different vertical industries to reduce their energy consumption. In addition to that, if you look at all the equipment and devices that we are selling to the customers, we want to reduce energy consumption of all those different kinds of equipment and devices as well. That should be our contribution to the climate change initiative. You know, the energy efficiency of traditional wireless base stations is 60 percent, but by replacing such equipment rooms with outdoor cabinets, the energy efficiency can be improved to 90 percent. But if we take one step further to replace it with the pole-site solutions, the energy efficiency can be improved to 97 percent. We keep exploring different alternatives of innovation. As for how to reduce energy consumption in DCs, with indirect evaporative cooling and intelligent optimization, data centers have optimized PUE from 1.4 to 1.2. What does it mean? It means that for a data center with 1,500 cabinets, it's able to save 30 million kilowatt-hours of electricity per year. This is a staggering number of savings, and this has been verified by our internal experts. Huawei has proposed to provide the X-in-1 e-Powertrain for electric vehicles, increasing the energy efficiency of e-Powertrain from 86 to 89 percent. That's a gain of three percentage points. It means that it is able to prolong the battery life by 4.5 percent. We continuously help improve the energy efficiency of modular power on each circuit board, and it involves DC-AC conversion. The modular power on circuit boards are also areas where power is consumed, and our solution, a feature with high...
Density and efficient modular power design help improve energy efficiency by 4% and power density by 50%. As you know, you might wonder whether Huawei is able to survive despite the sanctions. That is why we're able to address supply continuity. We also know that the design and manufacturing processes of semiconductor products are complex and require intensive R&D capital investments. In this context, a highly specialized global value chain has been formed. Different regions play different roles in the industry based on their own strengths, which has promoted continuous innovation and cost reduction, benefiting global enterprises and consumers.
Let's just assume for a minute there will be no global industry chain cooperation in the future, but a fully self-sufficient local industry chain established in each region to meet its current levels of semiconductor consumption. According to SIA's report titled 'Strengthening the Global Semiconductor Supply Chain in an Uncertain Era,' it would have required at least one trillion US dollars in incremental upfront investment, resulting in a 35 to 65 percent overall increase in semiconductor prices, and ultimately higher costs of electronic devices for end users. So if this happened, think about it, it would be the end users that foot the bill at the end of the day.
You know that the chip fabs are increasing their prices. For example, TSMC is issuing letters to all its customers about raising their prices. If the fabs are increasing their prices, the chips will be more expensive. That will lead to higher prices of all consumer devices and higher costs of the whole industry. I think that in a foreseeable future, meaning coming years, higher prices and higher costs for the semiconductor industry is something that we're pretty sure of.
In the past two years, the US has imposed three sanctions on Huawei, undermining our company, and the damage has been felt. But at the same time, it's even hurting the global semiconductor industry more because such sanctions have disrupted the trusted relationship in the semiconductor industry. More and more countries and regions have to think about supply security. We are seeing Europe, Japan, China, and countries like these are increasing semiconductor investments. Europe has clearly emphasized the investments in semiconductor self-reliance. 17 countries including Germany, France, and Spain issued a joint statement on Europe's processor units and semiconductor technology plans and decided to enhance investments in boosting Europe's semiconductor self-reliance.
Because of the US sanctions against Huawei, we have also seen panic stockpiling among global companies, especially the Chinese ones. Some of them never stockpile anything, but because of the sanctions, they are now having three months or six months of stockpiles into the future. But in the past, for quite a long time, the supply chain was running on the assumption that it should be flexible with zero stockpiles. And that's why the panic stockpiling in recent days have added to the supply shortage of the global semiconductor industry.
You know, in the past, practice was that they were barely stockpiling, but now they are stockpiling for one month, three months, or even six months, and that has disrupted the whole system. That is why we can see that the US sanctions is the main reason why we are seeing panic stockpiling of major companies around the world. Clearly, the unwarranted US sanctions against Huawei and other companies are turning into a global and industry-wide supply shortage, and this could even trigger a new global economic crisis in the future. Who knows, right? To restore the business normally in the semiconductor industry and avoid a bigger crisis, the key is to restoring global trust and cooperation in the semiconductor industry. I call on global leadership to pay attention to the potential risks with political wisdom. I hope they can help restore global trust and industry cooperation as soon as possible.
If we are able to restore global trust and industry cooperation, if we can let different players play out their potential with their strengths, we will see better days for the industry. Thank you.
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Host53:56
Thank you, Mr. Xu. I would like to now ask you to stay on stage as we move to the Q&A component of today's event. It is now time for you in the audience to play your part. This is your chance to ask Eric a question. For those of you here in Shenzhen, please raise your hand and we will get a microphone to you. For those of you joining us online, please raise your hand virtually and unmute yourself when I call on you to ask your question. And those of you online, please feel free to also show us your face and turn your camera on. In both cases, please preface your question by stating your name and the organization you represent. We will try to get through as many questions as we can over the coming hour. I'll take the first question from the room. Madam in the second row, I believe you had your hand up first. Please go ahead.
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Audience Member55:28
Right now we've noticed many companies have announced their plans to make intelligent vehicles. Whether Huawei's strategy of not making Huawei-branded cars will remain unchanged? And if that's the case, whether it's a decision made in the context of the automobile industry being a long cycle, and Huawei made the decision in order to alleviate the pressure on cash flow and the chipset supply shortage? What are the specific information that you can share regarding Huawei's future plans for the intelligent vehicle business?
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Eric Xu56:18
This question has been raised very frequently. I've been asked this question many times on many occasions, even before Huawei was subject to the US sanctions. I've already provided very lengthy answers when I talked with the representative from the press in the automotive industry during Beijing and the Shanghai auto shows. Having said that, I very much understand the background you ask this question. Many may think Huawei should be making Huawei's own cars considering Huawei's brand position, considering Huawei's technical expertise. At the same time, many other companies including Xiaomi already announced their plans to make their cars. But let me tell you, this is a very prudent decision that we have made after many years of internal discussions.
Huawei's entry into the automobile industry started since the year of 2012. We set up a lab under our 2012 Laboratories to do the research on connected vehicles. At the time, the notion around intelligent vehicles and autonomous driving was not even there. People were talking about electric vehicles. That's also the focus of our research at the time. We tried to do technological research around electrical vehicles. But as our research efforts proceeded, we've seen significant changes in the automobile industry, especially the new vehicles shifting from electric vehicles to more around autonomous driving. So those are the major changes we've seen since 2012. We've also seen the major changes on the technology side, especially with the adoption of artificial intelligence.
We found we may need to develop the intelligent electrical systems for charging, for electric drive, for battery management system. And then in the end, we found we need to develop the future driver in the intelligent vehicles. I think developing the future driver in the vehicle environment is what autonomous driving is about. Because we still have to have a driver in today's vehicle, but autonomous driving is about developing the future driver.
During that process, we find that all of our technologies and capabilities could be used in a more and wider variety of areas in the vehicle environment. That's how we come up with our positioning. We want to provide ICT-related capabilities in the future autonomous driving electrical vehicles, and we are seeing more and more areas that we can generate value from that positioning.
Since 2012 until today, I personally have engaged with the chairmen, CEOs of car OEMs in China. I've also had a lot of engagements with executives of German as well as Japanese car OEMs. What is needed by the automobile industry is not Huawei-branded vehicles but the ICT capabilities that we can bring on the table to help existing car OEMs to build better cars.
Then in 2018, the top management of Huawei, Sabrina included at the time, had a meeting in Sanya, and we decided that Huawei would not produce Huawei-branded cars, but instead we will work together with car OEMs to help them build good cars in a way that's easier and better. That decision remains unchanged.
As an ICT company, as we engage and work together with the car OEMs, we also hope to create some new business models. So in that strategy, we will work together in a deep way with the selected car OEMs following what we call 'Huawei Inside' model, and turning out sub-brands for those car OEMs where we can bring onboard Huawei's ICT-related capabilities.
We have selected three partners under that model. There will be three sub-brands to be launched in the market. And one collaboration which may be known right now, which is Huawei together with Beijing Automobile Industry Corporation, their new energy division, and they have launched the Arcfox sub-brand. There will be a whole series of products to be launched to the market starting from Q4 this year. The Arcfox sub-brand will bring all Huawei-related capabilities as well as the capabilities from Beijing Automobile Industry Corporation together, and hopefully we can bring some different user experiences to the consumers.
We also work together under that model with Chongqing as well. A sub-brand would be launched, even though the name of the brand has not been finalized. We also have this model of cooperation with the Guangzhou Automobile Group. They've already announced the partnership to the market and they said that they're going to launch L4 autonomous driving solution and release the car by 2024. The sub-brand for that partnership has not been finalized yet. We won't have many partners for this type of deep collaboration model.
We've also designed a specific logo for that kind of partnership. It's 'Huawei Inside,' so any vehicles we're going to see with that logo on it are co-designed between Huawei and our partners, and I believe there will be more such vehicles to be launched to the market. The 'Huawei Inside' logo will not appear on all the vehicles where Huawei components are built into it. Only when Huawei's autonomous driving solution is built into the vehicle, then the 'Huawei Inside' logo will appear. Even though I have answered similar questions on many occasions previously, I'd like to offer another elaboration on it. Thank you.
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Okay, let's take the next question. There's a woman over there with her hand up. Can I ask you to stand up so the camera can get you as you ask your question, please? Please pass her a microphone so she can ask her question. Fantastic, thank you.
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Audience Member1:09:32
From China Business News. Last year you said the biggest objective for Huawei was to survive so that the company would continue to release its annual report for 2020. We've certainly seen the presentation of a Huawei annual report, and the business results were quite stable. You also mentioned it today that the external environment this year is going to be complex. So my question is, what are the challenges for Huawei this year, and what are your objectives for 2021, especially around areas like chipset and cloud services?
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Eric Xu1:10:21
Our target for this year is to continue to survive. And we hope this year we could have some more time so that we can think about it, and we can take some actions so that the company can survive better. As you certainly are aware, throughout the year of 2019 and 2020, we spent a lot of the time trying to address the three sanctions by the US. There was little time for us to pause and think whether the company would be able to survive and how the company could survive better. So it has been a long time since then. Through our efforts, for example, looking at the position of our different businesses in the portfolio, through the adjustments in the portfolio, we're quite confident that we can survive. Now we need some more time to figure out how the company can survive and live better.
I hope our annual reports can be presented next year, and we can continue to convene the Huawei Global Analyst Summit. And certainly, I hope every year we can do that so that we can meet with each other. Thank you.
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Host1:12:33
All right, I'd like to take a question now from the analyst side of the room. There's a gentleman there who I think had his hand up first. He's on the far right, about four rows back. And again, if you could please stand up so the cameras can pick you up.
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Audience Member1:14:05
There are two questions. First one relates to Huawei Cloud. We've seen frequent organizational restructuring of the cloud business at Huawei. It was previously a business group, and then it was changed to a cloud business unit where Eric yourself is the chairman. So where is the position of the cloud business in Huawei's portfolio, and what will be the strategic changes that we're going to see for this part of the business moving forward? Second question relates to Huawei's Kunpeng ecosystem. Just recently ARM announced its V9 architecture, and they said the architecture was not subject to the EAR of the US administration. So what is the progress in terms of licensing with Huawei? Whether Huawei has got a complete perpetual license for V9 architecture, and what are the plans and initiatives that Huawei will take to address chipset design and manufacturing challenges so that the Kunpeng ecosystem will continue to develop?
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Eric Xu1:15:36
For Huawei Cloud, it involves a different business model. It's more of an online subscription-based business. Therefore, within Huawei's portfolio, the cloud business has this close-to-loop cycle, operating more on a stand-alone basis as a business unit. At the time when we decided to set up the Cloud and AI Business Group, the idea was to drive a synergy between Huawei Cloud business and servers and storage. And then when it came to real operations, we also found problems occurred. And with that, it actually consumed unnecessarily the management efforts of the cloud teams. And then we decided to really put the server and storage business into the physical products so that the cloud business unit can get refocused on the cloud business.
As I mentioned just now, strengthening the positioning of the cloud business unit within Huawei is part of the initiatives we take as we invest more in software, because we believe cloud business is more of a software business. So with this change, we want to give more freedom and flexibility to the cloud business so that the business can do what is right for the industry, so that we can see more revenue coming from the software and the services business moving forward in our total revenue mix.
The Kunpeng ecosystem is an ARM ecosystem in itself. We just give it a specific name in the China market. Right now, no company can do EMS manufacturing, no company can do fabrication for Huawei's chipsets. But our strategy remains unchanged to develop and grow the Kunpeng ecosystem. I believe that there will be companies that can design the CPU that is needed. It's only a matter of how advanced the CPU would be. In that case, it could provide an alternative for the China market.
As for the V9 architecture of ARM, I think their CEO and CMO already made it very clear that the architecture is not subject to the US EAR, and that means Huawei could have normal business cooperation with ARM on V9 architecture in areas that both companies benefit. Thank you.
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All right, I might turn now online to take some questions there. And as we do so, just a reminder to everybody who's joining us online to unmute yourself when I call on you, and to introduce yourself and your organization. Thank you to those who turn their cameras on, and if anybody else feels like it, please do so now. We have lots of people here on the call, and thank you for joining us. I will take my first question from Fanny Lee. Please, Fanny, please unmute yourself.
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Audience Member1:22:23
In recent years, we've seen many new intelligent vehicles with autonomous driving capabilities launched to the markets. We've also seen many high-tech companies jumping into this game. And with 5G, the vehicle has become part of the IoT interconnection and the application is booming. If we look at the car-to-car connectivity, car-to-road infrastructure connectivity, as well as the connection between vehicles and clouds, I have two questions for Eric. First, what are the changes 5G and the future 5.5G would bring to intelligent vehicles? Second, what are the recent developments of Huawei's Intelligent Automotive Solution business unit?
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Eric Xu1:23:33
There are different ideas regarding what is the value of 5G in relation to autonomous driving vehicles. People with a transportation background would love to see autonomous driving enabled with increasing synergy between the vehicle and road infrastructure. If that's the case, the value from 5G or the future 5.5G would be greater. But there's a question here: what if there is no 5G or 5.5G? Whether autonomous driving would have been needed and whether autonomous driving would be made possible? That's the second type of idea, and I personally agree with this idea. The vehicle itself has to be autonomous. I mean, locally, that means autonomous driving for the vehicle cannot depend on something coming from the outside.
If a vehicle can only realize autonomous driving by relying on 5G or 5.5G, problems may occur. What if the network goes down? That raises a very high bar for mobile service providers. That means they have to have very good coverage throughout the entire network, and under any circumstance, the network connectivity should not go wrong. There needs to be very strong network resilience. I think that's simply unrealistic. For this kind of situation, 5G or 5.5G is not a necessity. It's something nice to have to better support autonomous driving.
I always believe that 5G has been politicized. The capability of 5G has been exaggerated. At one time, I went to attend a conference together with Don Winchell. We were sitting there listening to other speakers talking about 5G, and I said to Don that you and I have been working on 5G for 10 years. How come we could not understand what the speakers were talking about, which generation of the mobile communication technology they actually referred to? And then after consulting with Don, we agreed that we would say everyone else was talking about the 5G era, not the 5G technology that we have been working on.
Mobile communication is an industry where every generation of new technology spans roughly 10 years. So to me, 5G is an evolution and enhancement based on 4G. There is not so much difference versus the evolution and enhancements from 2G to 3G. Of course, there are tangible benefits for 5G in comparison to 4G, in light of the 10 years' efforts and the enormous investment that the whole industry has put into it. Therefore, there are certainly benefits compared to 4G. But some people say 5G is a super strong foundation of everything. That, to me, is simply an exaggeration.
The Intelligent Automotive Solutions business unit is a business of heavy investment for Huawei. The business unit has the most complete functions within Huawei. It has sales, it has delivery, and all the other needed capabilities and functions. Maybe it's as complete as the Consumer Business Group within Huawei's portfolio. This year, our R&D investment into the IAS business would be more than one billion dollars.
China market is a market of 30 million vehicles per year, and that number would grow in the future. Even if we do not work on markets outside of China, even if we only make 10,000 RMB per vehicle, that would be a big enough business for Huawei. Of course, for every business we take on at Huawei, we hope it's a global business, not just a China-specific one.
Every component in the IAS portfolio has been gradually launched to the market, and we are seeing more and more vehicles adopting and integrating Huawei's IAS components inside. At the upcoming Shanghai Auto Show, there will be experiences provided to consumers for autonomous driving in dense urban areas. My team told me that they are the best. I don't know whether they were boasting, but of course, I hope they are the best. I was told they can do unintervened autonomous driving that lasts 1,000 kilometers in urban areas. If that's the case, that's much better than Tesla. So I would suggest at the right timing, you can give it a try yourself, or after this Huawei Analyst Summit, you can fly to Shanghai and try the autonomous driving vehicle. Thank you.
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All right, I'd like to take another question online if we can. And again, thank you for turning on the cameras. Mark Sweeney, please unmute yourself and ask your question.
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Audience Member1:34:56
Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to ask a question today. It's kind of two questions. The first one is obviously the US sanctions meant that Huawei has had to seek alternative supplies and has had to make its own way long before we've seen the pressure on the global supply of chips. I wonder, this problem is not going to go away for a long period of time. Demand is still surging. Is Huawei prepared? Will you be effectively immune to what we're seeing in the chip market because you have had to prepare in advance due to the sanctions? And my second question is, with Biden and the Democrat administration, I wonder might there be a change in relations between the US and Huawei?
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Eric Xu1:36:36
Partners and all the people that care about Huawei's development are worried about the question: how much inventory Huawei still has? Our CFO already made it very clear when he presented the 2020 Huawei annual reports that our current inventory level is sufficient to satisfy the needs of our business-to-business customers. But that does not mean the inventory would last a very long time.
In that context, there are two directions for Huawei. One is to leverage the existing inventory so that we can live longer. That means we will take a more focused approach as we work with different regions or with different customers so that we can survive longer. Second, Huawei is a big buyer when it comes to the global semiconductor and devices. We were the third largest buyer of chipsets and devices, only after Apple and Samsung. In addition, China is a huge market with enormous demand for chipsets. It's a market of 400 billion US dollars per year. Many other Chinese companies may also have the same worry that what has happened to Huawei may happen to them as well.
With such enormous demands, I believe there will certainly be companies moving forward that will be willing to make the necessary investment so that they would satisfy the needs of Huawei and the needs of other similar Chinese companies who are concerned about the supply security in compliance with the US rules. So I hope our global partners at a certain timing could be able to produce and supply chipsets to Huawei that is either not subject to US rules or in compliance with applicable US rules. If that can be done, and if our inventory level can help Huawei last to that timing, then that would help to address the problems and the challenges we face. I believe that day will come.
Then with the new Biden administration, we certainly have been following the latest developments, but we harbor no expectation at all that Huawei would be lifted from the US entity list. Rather, we believe we will continue to live and work under the entity listing for a long period of time. So the overall strategy as well as the specific initiatives for Huawei are all designed and developed in the way that the company would be able to survive and develop while staying on the entity list for a long time. We cannot develop our strategy based on either unrealistic assumptions or on unrealistic hopes, because if we do that and if we could not be taken out from the entity listing, it's going to be extremely difficult for the company. Thank you.
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All right, let me go to another question online. And just as I'm doing that, I'm going to remind everyone that we have fewer than 20 minutes left, so if you could please keep your questions brief. Okay, from Jakarta Globe, can you ask your question, please? No, the call was for Ibu Nada. If not, I think that's Mark Einstein from ITR. You need to unmute yourself, Mark.
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Audience Member1:43:37
The pandemic has accelerated the digital transformation in many countries. In our Asia Pacific region, countries are in the race for the leapfrog opportunity and to lead in the digital era. How do you see the future of digital transformation in the ASEAN-Pacific region? What role will Huawei play in this process?
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Eric Xu1:44:24
The APAC region, with a very few countries excluded, is relatively falling behind when it comes to digital transformation. Yet, the recent pandemic has allowed almost all governments, businesses, and consumers to see clearly the value of digitization. It is our vision to bring digital to every person, home, and organization for a fully connected, intelligent world. It is our mission to help different industry verticals to digitally transform themselves. It's basically the core of everything we do.
Huawei has over 20 years' business presence in the APAC region. We hope through our efforts we can contribute to the digital transformation of the region. I believe this is an opportunity for Huawei, and I also believe through our efforts we can help to accelerate the transformation in APAC regions. We can possibly bring advanced technologies and also the practical experiences around the digital transformation to every country in the APAC region, and also to industries, governments, and businesses. Thank you.
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All right, let's stay online and let's go back to Mark Einstein this time. Mark, are you still there? If you could unmute yourself, Mark. There you go.
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Audience Member1:47:15
Yes, thank you very much for your presentation and your update on Huawei's vision about 5G and 5.5G. However, my question is, given that we're talking about 2030, and many governments, operators, and vendors have already talked about launching 6G by 2030, I would like an update on Huawei's strategy and vision for 6G technology. Thank you.
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Eric Xu1:48:16
6G will be launched to the market by around 2030. But we don't yet know what 6G is. Only that our industry wants to launch something that could contribute to enterprises as well as consumers by around 2030, just like the industry has done for 4G and 5G. For Huawei, there are two things we currently work on. First, we work together with other players in the industry to try to define what 6G actually is. In the near future, we will be launching our 6G white paper. The idea is to show to businesses and consumers how 6G would look like.
At the same time, around the vision for the future, around the possible definition of 6G, we are also working on the research of basic science as well as cutting-edge technologies so that this could help us as well as the whole industry to realize 6G as we envision. If the global industry has limited imagination, and if we could not come up with compelling use cases for 6G, then maybe 6G is not needed. If the whole industry concluded that all the scenarios, all the use cases that were supposed to be supported by 6G can be supported with 5G or 5.5G, then there would be little value for 6G. If that's the case, we may need to wait for the next generation of industry players who may be smarter than us, who may have different consumption behaviors, and they can brainstorm and come up with some use cases that can only be addressed by 6G. That's how the demand will come for 6G.
At one time, with our wireless team, and I said it's the same group of people who have been working within Huawei since 2G to 5G, and whether we can change to a new group of people who are supposed to work on 6G. But most recently, we've come to the realization that it's the same group of people who have to work on 6G, because there are a lot of people who approach this group of people talking about 6G. So we end up organizing internal teams and resources to continue to work on 6G. I used to tell the president of our wireless product line, asking him to bring on board some young people to join the 5G group so that they can learn the experience, so that they can take on the 6G research and other efforts, and this existing group of people could retire, because we're really short of imaginative capability.
So let me summarize a little bit. We certainly look forward to what 6G would be, but it may not necessarily be the case that 6G will certainly come. However, still, we have to prepare ourselves for the possible advance of 6G with the necessary investment. Thank you.
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All right, let's take one more question online if we can. Let me see who am I supposed to... ah, it's your turn now, Edem Gaddag-Beku. Can you unmute yourself, please, from African Fall? Ah, we may have lost Edem. Okay, I think we've lost Edem. I might go back to the room now. Can I get any... are there any takers for questions from the media to begin with? All right, the gentleman here in the front row. Can I ask you to stand up when you ask your question, please?
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Audience Member1:55:49
Let me confirm with you on the first question. It's basically how the cooperation between Huawei and the Japanese companies is going. So two questions: first, how Huawei plans to strengthen its cooperation with Japanese companies in light of the current situation? Second, Huawei's purchasing amounts in 2019 from Japanese companies was 1.1 trillion yen, and what is the number in 2020, and how that number would look like moving forward?
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Eric Xu1:57:14
Always, collaboration with the Japanese companies is going normally. There are three areas that we work together. One, we provide products and solutions to telecom operators in Japan for them to serve their customers. Second, we participate in the digital transformation projects of industry verticals and enterprises in Japan. And thirdly, we work together with the industry stakeholders on developing the industry and also on developing related standards.
Our purchase from Japanese companies in 2019 was about 10 billion dollars, and in 2020, that number was reduced by about 20% to 8 billion dollars. Japanese companies right now are subjected to unfair trade practices because they would need to have the approval of the US government if they want to sell a chipset or device to Huawei. So again, this is a typical unfair trade practice. This is a typical behavior to block our free trade. That happens not only to Japanese companies. Thank you.
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All right, we have time for one last question. I'm going to try and squeeze in one last question from an analyst. That gentleman there had his hand up very quickly. I'm going to ask you to stand up when you ask your question and to identify yourself and your organization, please.
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Audience Member2:00:05
From DBS Bank of Singapore. I want to ask a question in relation to HiSilicon. Now that HiSilicon has no access to advanced processing techniques, what will be the future profit-making model for HiSilicon?
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Eric Xu2:00:34
First, for any chipset HiSilicon designs, there is no company that can help on the fabrication. HiSilicon is a chipset design division within Huawei. It's not positioned as a unit to seek profit. The company has no desire for HiSilicon to turn out profits for the company. So we choose to fund the team and the business ourselves as long as we have the capacity to do the funding. Of course, the HiSilicon team can continue to do some research, to do some technology development, and also prepare themselves for what is needed on the technology side in the future. Thank you.
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And thank you, Mr. Xu. That was the last question of the day. Thank you very much. And this brings us to the end of our first day. Thank you all for your attention and for your questions. We will be back again for day two, starting at 9 AM China time. We look forward to seeing you again tomorrow.