Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate. He's basically his own guinea pig. You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way. He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever and we're going to learn about it. I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think he's got to be in bed at like 4 p.m. I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson.
Yeah, this lemon water, dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation. And I do a lot of fasting and so that's been something that on a fast I will have this. A certain amount.
I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's solid. Do you chew on those?
Yeah. Have you done that?
It's good. I mean it's...
Is that a thing? Chewing on ginger chunks?
Wow. Never even thought of that. What do you know exactly what it does? You just feel the vibes of it?
Yeah. It's very strong vibe. So yeah. Yeah, it's a nice reward at the end. Lemon gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.
Yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old... You feel better after doing it though?
I just feel like I'm on... I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it.
So much of life is like that. If you like kind of does it matter if it works, but like it's like a thing is structured, planned kind of is the thing.
Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a little bit like of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern. That's been one of the toughest things I think for me and I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know.
I feel like that's kind of been one of the things that it keeps you from the negative patterns.
Yeah. Well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or some I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know?
But some it has been tough. I go in spurts where sometimes it's better than others, but honoring like commitments to myself, having that in, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going to be here for myself every day. That's been a challenge for me. It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough... that's been probably one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for a lot of folks.
Yeah. Like the disconnect between like what you want to do and then what you actually do which is like the human condition like what our existence is defined by and like how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.
Yeah, I think you're right. I mean that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.
Yeah. Where you at now in life? Like I mean you've gone through various stages. How would you let's assess now?
I think like with work, work and things like that have been good. You know that stuff has been good. I think on the wellness side of like probably emotional wellness, you know I've suffered with like a or I've dealt with like a lot of connectivity disorders like relationship stuff, commitment. You know like probably wishing I was making better choices with my like dating and social life at times and you know sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of I'll have to see what's there. Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, so that's probably been one of the tougher things is probably been my emotional addictive behavior.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm I guess I'm newly in a partnership. The best relationship of my life really. We've been together for a couple years now and man it is like I mean it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything. You know like relationships are so tough and especially when they tip to acrimony.
Just like when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict when there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled.
There's just nothing worse. And I mean that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like what I have now is just so good. Let's go.
Yeah. Yeah. So, I feel you. And without it, it's tough to be alone, you know? It's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships, and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to like repeat that again and again.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that is definitely true. And then it's like you start to compartmentalize things. Okay. Well, I'll just go on a date here or I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not the healthiest way to operate either. But congratulations. Yeah, they just show your lady right there.
Oh, beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys are both smiling in that picture, too.
Oh, man. We have so much fun together. I mean, we... It's like I get cheered just even talking about it. We laugh and play. It's just so good.
Yeah. She really does something for you, huh?
She does, man. Like you know like I was... I wrote this up online. I was thinking I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackleton.
And he was just at... the explorer.
Yeah, exactly. So he did the trans-Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pole, you know, shore to shore for the first time and... so from top to bottom, just down to the South Pole from like one side to the other side.
Okay. Just at the South Pole.
Yeah. So they got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, early winter, and then the entire book is about this insane survival story. Like what they went through and not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things.
And I know this is like it's too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. I was thinking before like what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my life where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up being bad and then having something that is good. It felt like, I'm sure, what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of times, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like what's happening today? What do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk? Like just all the emotional whiplash you get in like challenging. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. And it's nice when someone else is there to like kind of be like a...
I got a hug the other day. I saw my friend in LA and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me like a... She gave me a nice hug and then I was like I'm going to stay in this hug. Let me just... Yep. Like my phone. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah. So like was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?
She... You know what? She surprised me because... But yeah, she got a good hug on her. That's for sure.
You some people are just like gifted huggers. They just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest and like the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.
Yeah. Like even like a lot of times we talked about before like a grandmother will hug you so well sometimes. Yeah. I've always kind of I guess been that I'll do the one-arm hug. I hug a lot though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard. People like, 'Yeah, what's going on, man?' Yeah. I don't want to hug this person. Um, but open up a hug bank. You know what they should do? Those places where they had pay phones before. They should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug. You know, it's like one of the most underappreciated things.
Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got a... Well, I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man. Nice to meet you, bro.
Yeah, it's good to see you. It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.
You know, I get that so much. I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI? You know, like really believing that's the case. So, I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas. So, I think people are just confused by me generally. So, I understand that.
Like, yeah, that was my thought, but you seemed way more normal than that. Like just like a regular dude who's been like doing wild stuff with his blood, you know, you seem just more like a chill ass kind of Dracula type of vibe, you know. What was your... what did you expect?
I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have a like more of a sense of... and this is just a wild generalization and this is probably not the best word but more of like an autism to them.
And I don't... Yeah. I didn't get that at all. Just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.
That's what I'm going to say then when it starts to bubble up when your keeper or whoever's operating you on the app...
That's right. Yeah. Turns up and the mask like slowly starts slipping and it's like...
Oh yeah. Like your database is showing dude or something. Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. Um, so just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man. There's so many clips of you out there. You've kind of... you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way kind of cuz it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems. You know, you're lifemaxing. That's what people say. Um, can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is or what your motive has been?
Yeah. So, I'd say here's an example for you. In 1870, the big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason... around the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, 'That's stupid as hell. What are you talking about?' The other half was like, 'Honestly, that could be legit.' Now, like they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. Turned out it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection. So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and risk increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy and eventually it turned out to be true. And now today like oh of course like that happens every year. Every year. Yeah. Exactly. And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now that sounds batshit crazy. Whereas in we can live forever. Not even forever, right? Cuz it's kind of a concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we don't even know. That breaks our brains. So, it's just not like a 70-year expectancy, right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer, and we can't quite see the end horizon. So, that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology. We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now, if that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say if that is the case, how does a human behave? What do they do? And so that's the whole... that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo and it's like if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right? Like do all the stuff people do today, right? Drink PBR or whatever. Floor it, you know, send it, you know?
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Knock up some woman or man. Now I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening? Um, but I see what you're saying. So like if you say if you got to the finish line and they're like, 'Oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore.' You're like, 'Oh, if I had known that, I would have ran the race.'
I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line decrepit or like with, you know, just like aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And I would have done it differently.
That's right. So like right now like you basically if everybody dies then you're playing a game of yolo. And so then your game is yolo is like, okay, what am I willing to... I'm willing to trade life for what? And so for example, in the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself ragged, you try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp.
Right. And then you end up and you're like fat, you're like 40 years older than when you started.
Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp or you don't have one.
Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money. Because there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade-off. I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now, we all have like practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that, but I'm trying to basically say we're a society that has built a society of die. And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human. So that's like the gist of it.
But is... do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like a... you know you have a place where you're like okay you know I know that I'm going to be okay like it's like do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having... cuz I know you had a company and you guys sold it for you know a great deal of money and congratulations and yeah and that's the American dream you know but do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before because that mindset before is like yeah grind get this money everything will be good and it kind of is nice and because there's a goal there. Um, yeah. Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?
Yeah. I mean, there's two parts to this. One is I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They use science to make food that adds you to their food, right? They're building addiction. Um, social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically as a society, we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit. And so, first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted to make them, you know, to take their life from them. And then two is... I don't want to blame people because I know that's... it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one I'm just trying to say like hey this is messed up. Number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money for example, here's a playbook, right? Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong.
So, like if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep. Make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself a favor. If you're eating trash, right? Not sleeping well and not working out. Like, it makes your system like for an engineer means like nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. So, like don't be shitty code and try to build life. And so, those are the two things. But I want to be very clear like I'm not blaming people. We just live in a... we live in a messed up society and I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like...
Like the system you're playing in is not a good one and it's heavily stacked against people and it's especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction based like oh they know there's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule down to like the moment of what you're looking at on your phone that it really is a war it's a battle for your preservation. And it's like it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he had to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are. And now the apex predators are in our homes, they're in our hands. Um, and it really is... it's a battle and that is a battle. It's like if you want to take it on and then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on and that's kind of okay, too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty... at least makes it that all the cards are on the table. Um yeah, I saw that you recently you did a social media fast, right?
Um take me through some of that. What was that like?
Yeah. So I first... I love social media. I think it's so much fun. Like we have great stuff on X. It's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information, too. Um Oh, here's the post right. I did a 40-hour and then a 70-hour social media fast. I've come to believe that social media is pollution.
Yeah. So, first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I love about watching that is you can say anything, right? Like the stuff you talk about is so unhinged. Like literally there's like no... I maybe you felt material where you're like probably shouldn't include that one, but like I couldn't detect it.
Oh yeah. I like just saying stuff because that's what you're supposed to be able to do.
Exactly. So like what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right? There's like when you look at existence, you say like my goal is to entertain you and I have all this open space. But then when people don't have that, when you don't have comedy as the outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box, they feel like they can only say certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe, right? Like for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room. Like I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood... the plasma transfers. Like we basically have done enough things. I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.
Yeah. That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now cuz he's going into other realms. Yeah.
Um and before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast or do you think it was long enough to notice anything?
It was honestly... it was kind of life-changing. It was... I did one fast that was 40 hours long and then I did a second fast that was 70 hours long. And the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation, right? Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm. And then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get... you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore. And then you get to feel it for what it is. So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I'm in a secondhand room of secondhand smoke or like it just feels so bad. And I guess that I pay attention to these feelings because over the past 5 years I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built and now when I go on social media it like literally feels like death. And so it's complicated though because I love social media. I love to post. I love to play. I love to interact. But also when I get on it's like I'm like nah this is not good. So, honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.
Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, 'Oh, get that away from me.'
Yeah. You feel it, right?
Yes. It's like, 'Oh, that's not real. That's the most unnatural thing.' Like, what is that? It feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done ayahuasca or been on ayahuasca and you're coming out and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV, I'm like, 'Oh, get that thing away from me.' That is something that's just resonating like something dark.
Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you can viscerally feel it. But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again. But yeah, it's... I think and so what's been resonating is I've been... so I posted this on social. I said because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a bad habit. But I reframed it and said actually I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos in the wall or lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution. It accumulates in the body. It creates low grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this so many people are like I feel this. But the problem is you can't... like telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe coal smoke in London in the 19th century. Yeah, like you can't do it or like if there's water pollution like the solution for water pollution in London in the 19th century was not to say don't drink water it was to filter the water, right? So I think the solution here is like I proposed this that if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, me and the social feed, like extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the slop and then give me the goodness but I want someone to... like it'd be cool if someone could build social media into a longevity therapy versus like actually having a cigarette.
Oh, I see you were saying like make it a long slow fire that has like a mix of things.
Like help me when I engage with it. I want to feel good. I want to feel like I've drank like, you know, lemon water and ginger, right? As opposed to like having a couple of Cokes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Slamming a bunch of energy drinks and... Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.
I know. Like this is the thing there's like right people pound like two to three to four a day like between you know 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine and they like on top of modafinil or something you know so it's like...
And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like what are you... dude your grades are bad. It's not even performing. Yeah. What are you even doing over there dude? You think yeah just cuz you're reading the Crucible or whatever. I got to get you another Celsius or something. Um, oh, it says, 'Hey, hey, social media users, visibly decline one or two points in attractiveness.' Oh, yeah. I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.
This is the post. Really?
Yeah. Yeah. This is good science because like when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically... you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So yeah, so heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attracting the scale. Like you may go from a seven to a five. So yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.
Yeah. And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're an eight.
Yeah. You're right. Right. And you're nice, you're like 8.5. And you give a good hug, you're like nine.
Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord. And if your parents if they were tens wow that's kind of yeah because I this is interesting because I do notice like first of all I'll say to people I noticed this now I'll say to people hey I'm going to go into my phone for a second right so it's almost like I'm letting you... it's almost like yeah I'm going to have a cigarette it's like the same sort of thing. And then now it's gotten to me sometimes I'm just so sick of watching social... it's just like I'll look at a few things and it's just like oh this isn't helping this isn't doing anything anymore. That's start of the thing too is I don't even... this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. Um and then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it kind of queuing up what is next. It doesn't leave that as much of a whimsicalness about it, you know.
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Oh yeah, I saw this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw. Mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention functions.
Yeah. An EEG study says one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever is making the algorithms like because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff and then they might consider self harm, right? Or people who you're curious about one video but then it serves you seven others and now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything. So it's like shouldn't the creator of the algorithm like if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous, you know, there should be... you should be somewhat accountable. It feels like I know there was just now a court case...
Or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?
Um here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users social media addiction during landmark trial in his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury. Uh Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable. If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short-term, but if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time. I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.
Yeah. This is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social media typically the blame is on the person. The person spends too much time on social media, right? They need to be more disciplined. They need to set limits. And when you reframe this and you say actually social media is a pollutant. It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or like when you reframe it that way it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that it is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, right? Having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications. When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group and then put them in a system like... it's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So, it's like you can't... the solution is not to tell people get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous right now.
Yeah. I think it's a great way to say it. Yeah. That it's a pollutant, right? And people say, 'Well, just get off your phone.' But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronic society in a digital age. So it's yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing like you know those smoke stacks that they never had any governors on and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air. Those were held liable. So it makes sense that these would be too. Um, the case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Um, some of the key moments Zuckerberg denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long-term. Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being, saying, 'You don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves.' I don't know if that's true anymore. You know...
You know what it feels like is in physics there's this idea like a phase transition. So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's 101, it's a vapor. So just a very small change. It's not gradual, just snaps. That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like all this built-up problems that are about to go from 99 C to 101 C and it just snaps and society is like we can't... right... we can't do it anymore like it's too much like we're all broken from this thing like it's got to stop and like I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually it's just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So, I would love that if like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity, right?
Like with UGG boots, like when people were like, 'Oh, these are great.' And Tom Brady was wearing them, then one day people were like, 'Done.' Yeah. This shit's weird. Yeah. People will be so relieved to not feel like... Cuz right now, oh, dude, if they came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale.
Oh, 100%. That's also true like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day.
Get up and grind. It's like in this expectation, keep your eyes open, keep looking at invoices. It's like we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like we're losing our minds and like it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations and if it would be amazing. I love that. Like the phones don't work like goddamn let's go celebrate. I think and I think people would... they don't even work good, fuck them. I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the capital, dude, storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us from these digital chains where we're locked. You know...
You know, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death because we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. So, it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like don't be on your phone because your body's like am I dead to the tribe, right? Do I even exist?
Yeah. You feel like that if I take a couple months off will people know do I exist? What's even going on? So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like hey guys I exist. Remember me like me over here like remember I'm part of the tribe. So it's just it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean like it is fun. Like there's value to it. There's good information. And like I don't want to say there's not virtues to it, but the way it's structured now is just like a loss for society overall.
Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro. Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not.
Yeah, bro. And here's the thing now. You can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude. Do you see that she's already married or whatever? But back in the day, you couldn't do that. So, you just had to and you thought that she did. So you were like hopeful and excited and you would just take care of yourself till the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, 'Oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.' So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even going to get out of bed. You know, I think just those things. And then the negative effects of just like if you communicate with all types of people all day, then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes. You know, you're burnt...
Out because you've had all this odd connection that's not real connection, but it's some artificial connection. It's like if you've been eating Fritos all day and then you get to dinner, you're like, I can't even have any right now. I'm already full of shit.
So, we with this project, we have been...
Oh, your project Don't Die. Okay. Like basically the idea is if we are the first generation who won't die, then the goal is like identify things that make you die and then don't do those things, right? Try to eliminate them. So what you're talking about at the end of the day when you're like, I don't know what it is but I just feel like shit.
Then it's basically the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you know the smell that you get right when you walk in? That is like secondhand smoke.
It's the aerosolized oils.
Yeah. So like that's Ronald McDonald's cologne, baby.
That's creepy. You know what? That's creepy as shit.
Very creepy because he's got that play place in the back.
Oh my god. That is dystopic. Holy shit. I didn't think about that. It is. Huh.
So like that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so when you go about your day with this project, Don't Die.
Exactly. So you guys track 250 things that make you die.
Yeah. So basically when I started doing this, we said, 'Okay, like are we the first generation who won't die?' Okay, let's take that as a premise. So then I hired a team of doctors and we got to work. And so we went through all the scientific evidence. We said like what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ in my body that I could. We would go through and say what is the age? So I was 42 years old when we started. So I said like what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.
So for example like my left ear is age 64 because I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music so it's impaired. So, we measured all of my organs and said like, 'Here's my baseline.' And then we got to work like doing therapies and measurement. And so, I became the most measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any human's ever lived.
And so, in doing that, we just found out like what kills the body, you know, like do microplastics harm the body? If so, how? You know, does going into fast food like aerosolized? Does that like social media? And so when you... it really resonates when you say you go home like you don't know why you feel like shit but after doing this for years I know why. It's like this stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit and then it's just like you're the collateral damage. It's like we've built a society of die and that's what sucks about it. So I never want to approach it to say like hey you individual like you get off your phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken, right? And that's what's cool about this moment is if we do see this moment is like this is like 1870, bacteria is present. Do we believe this crazy idea or not? Like this could be like it would change everything. So like we transform ourselves as a society.
I love that idea because yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a universal type of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me? Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me? It's obvious now from so many trials and corporate interests that they weren't, you know, there's all these things that none of that was happening. And so now it's back on us and what do we really want? Right? Because we put the faith, I think a lot of people would put the faith in the hands of their government and not entirely but you would just assume that yeah the food they're letting come into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this that it's going to be okay for us and then I think it's at the point now where that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go from here? Are those powers going to try to like imprison us into this space, which also feels like they're trying to because you have like companies like Bayer and Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things in our food and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick. Or is it going to be that there's some sort of a revolution?
So I saw you just asked Trevan to pour your coffee into...
And that was out of a paper cup into...
A... yeah. It's stainless steel. Yeah.
Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of. What's...
So there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics. You know, like they're everywhere. They're in our clothes. They're in our food. So we did this project where we said, 'Okay, can we measure microplastics in my body?' And so we did a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood and we measured microplastics in my semen.
And so two distinct biological systems and we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important and we wanted to like because there was a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males... of tested men... men have microplastics in their balls.
And their semen. And so we wanted to basically pose this question. Could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body in my blood and in my semen? And so we did a few things like one is cups they use for you know hot coffee they leech microplastics. The heat causes the leeching of microplastics. So when you're drinking that coffee you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87%.
Wow. In both blood and semen.
And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that you can look at both those things and look at the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards like trying to remove plastic from the house then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of this example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin like microplastic is scary. We try to lay out a clear path of like you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So if we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things but yeah that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leech microplastics whereas stainless steel you don't have that leeching problem.
Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that. Is that stuff true or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?
Yeah, I mean if your air fryer... I was looking into air fryer recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic and so you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have offgassing of microplastics. So I know this is the thing is like once you start, once you realize that plastic is a target you realize you come to learn it's in everything. No, like everywhere you look. So even now like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like for here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins including microplastics. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body. All right, I'm like wiping my body with toxins. So like you know like that was an idiotic mistake but like an example like we're always we're just finding this forever. So we got rid of all the... I thought that was a cotton towel but it wasn't but we got rid of that but it's just forever. It's amazing how omnipresent they are.
Yeah. I've actually been working with this company American Giant that they make... they've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America. I mean just to... textiles or clothing. I remember their journey was how do we even get a shirt made here and it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms. There's so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton like a cotton only underwear that would be just so it's only cotton, right? So you're not dealing with anything else.
What fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body that do not have microplastics in them and which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?
Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean one is on the cotton stuff is we were... everything I put into my body we test like all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing and actually we tested a diaper... a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby. We tested that and it was like eight times as high in glyphosate. So cotton unexpectedly...
That's what's in the pesticides.
Exactly. So cotton is better than like a polyester but cotton is also not like it's not just pure, right? So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton. Like how fast does it come out? We don't know. But this is like... I think a lot of people listening are kind of like oh my god I give up. But like what do I do? Right? But I want to give you hope like you just slowly peel back one layer after another after another like chip away. It's okay. We'll get on top of this but just like you just know that there's always these layers. So yeah. So we tested that and so that in the diaper now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it. So maybe it is. But if it is that's terrible. We're bathing our children, you know, bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers. And so, like this is the kind of thing where I'm saying like once you start chasing these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so, back to this conversation you made before of like this idea of care. Like, think of okay, here's a question for you. Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like without a doubt they act in your best interest.
Like you can probably count on one hand, right?
Everyone else like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be like it's not good, but the whole bunch of other the wrapper behind it may be like they want something from you. And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around this is can we legitimately unquestionably always act in our customers' best interest. Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process. But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society. Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.
Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way. And I don't know if that's true or not, but the fact that we're at that place now, I think, is important. We did this thing this year around the holidays where we tried to find 10 American companies that were like American-made products and then show those off like highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe. And it was just so if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it. You know, this is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So, it's like screw these big companies like if I buy from you and you buy from me, then we keep each other alive. So we're trying to start to create this space where you can do that where it's like if I want to buy something I'd rather instead of going and look at like these things that are on the same shelves in every single place why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know.
It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently like in the world and we're trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know, some company to come along and be like, 'Well, these are the sites, you know, people are going to need these sites to build their products' because then it's like if we even had a woman who sells like these really great little characters and ornaments and stuff. So, we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this, right? People want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves and they want to be in a way where they can... where the purchase where they're putting their money. It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do. You know, they're just a regular person. They're not a big entity, you know. So, I think anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a... people do care or we need to get people to care where they're spending. Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff is very important. What are your thoughts on RFK Jr.'s Eat Real Food initiative? Have you seen that?
Yeah, I have. Yeah. Tyson being the spokesperson.
Yeah. Mike Tyson was the spokesperson. He was in the Super Bowl ad.
Oh, I didn't even see that.
Because he came on here and he talked about it. He just said, 'Eat real food,' you know.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great. I mean, I think so RFK is a friend. He's getting after it, you know, like in any situation people are going to have various opinions, fine, but like he's really trying his best. So, I respect that he's pulling up and he's made some great... he has some great wins getting rid of food dyes and so yeah, I mean I'm grateful for him doing it and it was cool, you know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure. When I was seven years old, he had peaked I think he was 21 and he just won the belt and he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated like every week. That's right. I would cut those out and I had it on my wall. But Mike Tyson was my idol. Like and I actually this is like a terrible story. I loved him so much and I saved up... I worked all summer long mowing lawns and like doing a whole bunch of shit. I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over. I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience. And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss. And oh my god, that was soul-wrenching. Because I wanted to see Tyson like, you know, knocked out of the park. I'd never seen him fight live and you couldn't just like pull him up on clips on YouTube like it's, you know, harder to see. But anyways, tangent there, but it was cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like in my world talking about real food and how it's important. So, I think he's had a cool life arc.
He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually. In LA, actually. So, if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.
Would love to. I would love to meet him.
That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were such... like I don't know if like they were such gods. They held that status, right? In the 80s. They were it. Like you had like basketball, you had the Bulls, you got the Bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like they were it.
What do you think the government's role should be in our health and diet?
I guess like two things. One is there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke. I can eat fast food. I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug. Companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that. So, like in many ways, I dislike... they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I don't have the right to experiment on myself, and I wish I had more experimental power that I could do that.
Have there been certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try or?
Really? What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?
Yeah, that's a good... that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of... there's like probably a dozen. And like the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I mess up, it's on me. Like I'll take that responsibility but I do want... I don't want them to say like only after because then it creates this gigantic... no it makes sense companies go through like a structured process and they say it's gone through this process we give it a stamp of approval it's like it's a good idea like on large scale vaccines like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society.
Also right on like a n equals one like me scale I want to do things without them limiting my ability to do it so it's a really tricky balance because there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society I can say I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted right like there needs to be like some...
Yeah like that's the idea.
But now the middleman it feels like can't be trusted.
Exactly so like what if we just like take this little wholesale what we're going back to is care right like do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest or not. This is why I'm saying when you go back to like who legitimately is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand. It's your brother.
And so what if we established as a society the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've got to do things that don't look good. So like it really puts... it's a different mentality. But also, man, would it be kick-ass to live in that society? Where like if you're going to tell me to take a drug like you're not hiding shit like you're not like you know so that'd be cool.
Oh yeah. It'd be so nice because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us. Yeah. You know it's so stressful now. It's like you go eat a hot cake or whatever and you're like is this thing going to kill me? Not today but is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now, you know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine. You know it's just kind of...
Yeah. It's a lot of turmoil.
What is your kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet? And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.
Cool. Yeah. The principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells. Like Bryan Johnson is 70 trillion cells. Over half of those cells are alien cells. They're not even me. They're just bacteria. So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.
Yeah. Yeah. You are a collection of like 70 trillion cells that makes the Von.
Okay. And half of those cells are not...
They're not natural-born citizens.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're immigrants. Yeah. So like they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem. And so the question is like you know when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you see like what happens. And so we know for example when you take fast food those molecules and put in your body it does bad stuff. And so with diet we basically just say if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive what are those molecules? So every calorie has to fight for its life. And so that's the first principle. And then two is I don't subscribe to any camp like I'm not carnivore I'm not vegan. I'm not vegetarian. I'm not paleo. I'm not keto. I don't care. I just want to look at the evidence and say you take a given thing, you put it in the body, what happens? And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm just extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most Don't Die person in the world. So but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat. You know, like do your thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body. Like measure your body and see if you're happy or not. If the body is... so there's what your mind can say like oh I love blank but measuring your body is a different thing. Your body is going to speak the truth not your mind so basically like you want to measure out your body report out how's inflammation how's cholesterol like how's all the different markers.
And when it comes to meat and things like that are there just you don't like them or you feel like they don't work for your body was there something that you found that you're like this isn't the best for me?
So it's actually... I mean one is I think there's two points. One is I think you can make an evidence-based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer. Now, I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat. Like I'm not going to go after red meat. Like I'm not that person. So just like do...
I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know, while you have some burns.
Yeah. Do it like do your thing and just measure your body. So I try to do that and I try to then share my body biomarkers and say here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out, here you go. But like a lot of... so like a couple things. One is I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.
Is that a seed oil or not?
Yeah. There's like this whole seed oils are bad for you. I don't buy it.
No. I think it's fried... it's high temp seed oils, but you know cold pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine. So like that whole thing I think got away.
Oh, so you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?
Yeah. Yeah. It's... you don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold press seed oils, the evidence says they're fine. But again, like if somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, you abstain or take it. Just measure yourself and try to find the markers.
Right. Check in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?
Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw, look at your markers and say, 'Is the body happy or sad?'
Right. Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time.
Over time, because those like your body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time.
Yeah. But like the easy ones like just avoid... There we go.
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I mean, so this is cooking... this is actually... what does...
Oh, this is actually using it for cooking.
Yeah. What does... well at higher heats? So, this is kind of what you're saying actually that some of these may provide less health benefit for you. But like on this though like this graph I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed otherwise like I don't know how to read this graph.
Right. Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean even in... it just you know they use the red yellow green. It's like you know there's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like I want to see what temperature what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating? When do they form, you know, etc. So that would be a much more quantified approach where I'd say all right now I feel like I have a good basis for decision-making versus like this is easy to read online you see red green yellow it's like okay good bad because anything more than good bad it kind of gets overwhelming for people.
Yeah you say extra virgin olive oil that's sort of your go-to.
Yeah based upon the evidence my team and I have reviewed this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet. It's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's... we source it ourselves. We test it in the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol, has the right acids, right? Right constitution. So, it's a specific kind of olive oil. It's not because most olive oil is shit. Like most of it does nothing and most of it a lot of... So, you need a very... So, whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result. That's a lot. Like...
But is there a brand that you tell us? I mean, I know or do you have this yourself that we could buy? Do you have your own?
I do it myself because like going back to that discussion of care and trust after playing this game for 5 years, I don't trust anybody.
No one. Like I don't care what they say in marketing. I don't care. I just don't trust anyone.
So like yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself. I want to test it in the third party lab. So, I just basically I did this my whole self and then my friends were like, 'I want this, too.' And I'm like, 'Sure.'
Yeah. I was about to ask you for something. And this is... but this is one you guys have. It's called Snake Oil.
Yeah. We... it's kind of a troll.
But yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch. We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So, olive oil and also like I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like a lot of people don't know that. They think like food is like a good thing which it is but also there's damage associated. So olive oil lessens that damage like lessens some of the oxidative damage. So that's olive oil is one. Two is I eat a lot of legumes like lentils, edamame, beans, a lot of vegetables but I steam them. So when you char something whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something it builds something called AGEs.
Yeah. Advanced glycated end products, which is basically just think of it like junk that builds up in your body. You don't want it.
So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs. And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, walnuts.
Yeah. Right. Those are like the... those are good ones. Like I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable ones.
They're drunkard's nuts, right? Aren't they? That's funny. Yo, you're drunk here.
Yeah. Then I do a lot of...
And cashew just looks like it's... looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew, it looks kind of bisexual a little, which is fine, but I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house to me.
Yeah, I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what? I think you're right. And I've never even thought about it till now, but I'm glad I'm even saying some of this.
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Yeah, I had a couple thoughts, you know, like you Theo, I wish I could say... I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like I have several thoughts I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't, you know, like I still play within a certain box of like what I can and cannot say, but...
And is it... do you think it's some of that's for like business purposes or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned? I mean, it's like there, as weird as I am and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people.
And so, I do have some parameters. And so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do standup comedy.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'd be like...
Oh, man. It would be so much fun because you basically you're trying to put your finger on the thing.
And that's what I try to do in my life. But like and so and when people their response of course is like how good you are at putting your finger on the thing that they already know, right?
But you're willing to say it and you can string it together. So yeah, but you're kind of doing that. You're kind of like a... I mean it's just not standup comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know?
Yeah. And I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like just who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there like trying jokes which you may have been very successful at as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are. Maybe you know maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also some people might not even take you as seriously. You know one night I watched John Mayer. He got up and did standup comedy.
And he's like man I love standup comedy. I would have loved to been a stand-up comedian. He goes, 'But now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.' Because it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer, you know?
Yeah. You know, like I would love to take on that challenge. And man, I would love...
You could have so many great jokes.
I want to make fun of myself. I'm so weird, right? I...
Dude, of course you are, dude. You probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude. You could go to a blood draw and they just keep drawing and drawing. They're just sitting there like nurses are coming out like we don't know, you know?
I mean... Oh, dude. I bet if you... have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show?
Oh, bro. If you... I wonder if we maybe next time I go on there, you and me could go. He's this... have you ever seen it?
It's like the Tonight Show now, but they do it out down in Austin and it's... and dude, I bet people would write some jokes, bro. It'd be so great. That'd be so much fun.
This is it. It's so much fun, bro. Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.
I went to a couple Roast Me shows and it was pretty good.
Yeah. I really enjoy people making fun of me.
It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does or used to do a lot of those. I know he's one of the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it too and that's his show Kill Tony. Okay. Were there other things you were going to tell us about some other health stuff you said that your own and you also have a... and I'm not pushing your products here but I was given a gift of one of your products and I haven't taken it before and it's a Blueprint protein powder.
Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it?
Okay. It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear the supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like what makes this thing any different? Or is it any different?
Yeah. So the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow.
