Back
Shahar Hania
CEO, Rail Vision

Rail Vision (NASDAQ: RVSN)

🎥 Apr 01, 2023 📺 Emerging Growth Conference ⏱ 31m 👁 1105 views
Rail Vision (NASDAQ: RVSN) is a technology company that is seeking to revolutionize railway safety and the data-related market and has developed cutting-edge, artificial intelligence based, industry-leading technology specifically designed for railways to save lives, increase efficiency, and dramatically reduce expenses for the railway operators. Keynote speaker: Shahar Hania, CEO / Co Founder
Watch on YouTube

About Shahar Hania

Shahar Hania, CEO and co-founder of Rail Vision, discussed the company's technology and market position in investor calls in April 2023. He stated that Rail Vision's obstacle detection system can classify objects up to two kilometers away, compared to a train driver's visibility of 300–400 meters in daylight, and argued that this makes the system necessary for preventing accidents. Hania cited a derailment in Minnesota as an example of an incident he said could have been avoided with Rail Vision's technology. He also noted that the company had completed a long-term pilot with Hitachi for Rio Tinto in Australia and signed a contract with Israel Railways. Hania said Rail Vision is the only company to have "broken the glass ceiling" of entering the railway obstacle detection market through homologation. He acknowledged that the company would need another funding round and expected it to be supported by Knorr-Bremse, as previous rounds had been. Hania reported that Rail Vision's capital investment to date was about $63 million, with a cash balance of approximately $10.4 million as of September 2022. He told investors that "a half a year ago, one year ago it will probably be the last time that you'll be able to invest in Rail Vision at this evaluation."

Source: AI-verified profile updated from Shahar Hania's recent appearances. Browse all interviews →

Transcript (22 segments)
A
Anna Berry0:12
Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening everyone, wherever this is finding you. Welcome to the 50th Emerging Growth Conference. Such a pleasure to be back with you all today. I'm Anna Berry, your host for this conference today. So just a few notes: we are running today until about 3:30 Eastern time. So remember when we switch to the next company, you're going to see a black screen for a moment, but don't go anywhere. That's just us transitioning to the next presenter. But if you do experience downtime for more than a minute or two, refresh your browser and everything should work properly again. Our platform does work best on Google Chrome, so if you're watching from an Apple device, you have to hit the play button to start the session. Now all of our conferences, they're uploaded to our Emerging Growth Conference YouTube channel, so subscribe and you can check out past conferences there. It's youtube.com/emerginggrowthconference. Now today during each company's presentation, you can submit questions through our webcast module and we will attempt to address as many of these as possible at the end of the presentation. And one last note: after today's event, you'll be redirected to the registration page for our next conference in two weeks, so stay on or come back to reserve your spot early. All right, let's begin our 50th conference today starting with Rail Vision. It trades on the NASDAQ under the symbol RVSN and it's a technology company that's seeking to revolutionize railway safety and the data-related market and has developed cutting-edge artificial intelligence-based, industry-leading technology that's specifically designed for railways to save lives, increase efficiency, and dramatically reduce expenses for the railway operators. Please welcome its CEO and co-founder, Shahar Hania. Welcome, Shahar, how are you doing today?
S
Shahar Hania2:00
Doing great, thank you very much for having me. It is a great pleasure to be here with you.
A
Anna Berry2:07
Yes, it's a very timely subject matter, so we look forward to hearing about your presentation. And call me back when you are ready for questions.
S
Shahar Hania2:22
Okay, hello everybody. We'll start with a short movie and later on I will move to the presentation.
So hello again everybody. I hope you enjoyed the video and let's go directly to the presentation. A bit about Rail Vision: it was founded in 2016 by four founders, in which I'm honored to be one of them. We have about more than 60 employees, when the majority of them are only personnel, scientists, PhDs, and so on. We have a strategic investor partner which is Knorr-Bremse, a well-known company in the train industry. They're involved in this industry, let's say, 110 years ago and they're a traded public company in Frankfurt. But I think that the most important thing from our point of view as a small company from Israel is that they have the global presence all over the world. So whenever there is an operator, they're already there, speaking the same language, they're already customers of Knorr-Bremse. So imagine if Rail Vision, a company like Rail Vision, would have to set all of this ecosystem from zero, you understand what the challenge would be. So in this sense, I must say that this is a great thing to have in Rail Vision. So let's talk about the problem that Rail Vision technology solves. You know, a train operator, driver, engineer, whatever you call it, can see and can classify in daylight 300 meters, 400 meters, and at night it sees nothing. And let's say, give or take, the braking distance of a train is about half a mile, means that your train driver is a matter of fact irrelevant in the sense of avoiding accidents. So our system can classify up to two kilometers and by that avoid and provide the driver alerts so he can stop the train, sound an alarm, or whatever is needed. So you know, when a train accident takes place, beside the casualties, God forbid, the damage to the platform itself is so big, is so huge, because it has to go through a payment process when it might take even one year to get it back in service. So as it said, when wheels are not turning, you are not earning. So beside the damage to the platform that costs quite a lot of money, you are jamming all the traffic, all the network is done because you have one track, two tracks, and now everything is jammed. So beside of the direct cost of the downtime of the train and the accident itself, you have all the wreckage spread around, you have to clean it up, and only then the train network can start again. So by avoiding those terrible accidents, we are a matter of fact preventing these huge losses for the operator and the infrastructure. So when the train operators understood that they have a problem, they looked to the right and the left and they saw that the most advanced industry in that sense is the automotive. But unfortunately from their point of view, the distances, the ranges that are discussed in this industry is 50 meters, 100 meters, something like that. But for the train industry, you need at least 200 meters in the marshalling yard and up to two kilometers in the main line. So this is why the only available solution, as far as we know, is only available in Rail Vision. So what is our solution? We have an external sensor unit which involves a visual sensor, a very unique one, and also a thermal sensor. All of those were developed in Rail Vision. The optics, the whole concept itself was developed inside Rail Vision. So we can see 24/7, day, night, rain, snow, and we can classify up to two kilometers through all of these a variety of weather conditions. What you see in the picture is the switchyard system that can classify up to 200 meters, and inside you have the computing unit that runs artificial intelligence in real time. So we don't need any external service or server like Google, Amazon. Everything is running on the edge computing, and therefore this is quite efficient and can be considered as a safety-related feature. On the left, you can see our flagship system that's already sold to Israeli Railways. You can see the installation of the long-term pilot, and after about one year of testing our system throughout the year, Israeli Railways signed a contract with us of delivering the first 10 units. All over the world, this is the first time globally that this kind of system and technology is involved into operational trains that are running operational passengers and freight as well. On the right, you can see our switchyard or marshalling yard system that was developed with SBI Congo. Just for you to imagine: three trains coming from the port carrying 100 wagons each. The first one carries ballast, and the second one carries sand, and the third one carries wheat, for example. Now you have to arrange the train that goes to Berlin and that carries three wagons each. So all of this operation, arranging, connecting, disconnecting the wagons, takes place in the marshalling yard. The thing that quite a lot of employees are running, hanging around, and you have to go from one side of the train to the other one, a very non-efficient process. So with our system, we can increase dramatically the efficiency of this marshalling yard operations. Beside that, we know from a U.S. customer, not only from us, that there's a huge problem of lack of human resources in this industry because nobody would like to go out there and stand rain, snow, outside of the locomotive and arrange the movement of the operational activities. So one customer told us that they trained the people, the employees, for two months, and then after two months they just resigned. They cannot stand it. So with our technology, we can increase or decrease the need for the lack of people that are involved in this process and even go autonomous one day. So let's talk about the market. You know, the market is just huge. So whenever infrastructure and transportation are involved, it means a lot of money. Okay, so whenever we can contribute to the efficiency and safety of this market, it means that we are in business. Let's talk a bit about going from maintenance to predictive maintenance and infrastructure monitoring. Our system is already installed on the locomotive, so there is no reason that we will not do additional activities that cost the operators so much money. Imagine a train that goes from Canada to Mexico and you have a vegetation problem through this route. And instead of waiting till the vegetation will hit the train, we can provide with our system an alert when the tree is going closer to the train, and by that, the maintenance guys can arrange somebody to go there and cut the tree and by that solve this issue. But imagine that you have data collected for one year, for example. You can plan the maintenance after that a year ahead and by that increase dramatically the efficiency of the maintenance. So this is what I'm talking about when I'm saying going from maintenance to predictive maintenance. So this is also very valuable for the customer. What is the business model? First of all, we sell the system itself for every locomotive. But imagine that the locomotive's life cycle is about 20, 30 years. So it means that we are obliged to provide service through all of these years. So we set up software updates, features updates, and you know, electronic components for nowadays are lasting for three years, five years, nothing more than that. So once they have a problem, we can also do the service of obsolescence management to the customer and by that supporting the hardware as well through all of these years. So if we'll take, for example, a parallel market such as the military or civilian aviation, in 10 years you can imagine even multiplying the value of the deal that was done with this customer. This is an example, the first system that we sold for the switchyard industry, and this is the Deutsche Bahn Cargo. You can see the classification of the tracks on the right side and the classification of a train and also a person, which is very hard to see. I was on this locomotive, you couldn't see a thing. It was a dense fog and you could barely see something. So I don't know any other technology that can classify to that resolution that you can alert for this person, which is a matter of fact your employee, and you wouldn't like to damage him or hit him in whatever. Let's talk about a real autonomous train that already is running in Rio Tinto in Pilbara, Australia, and those trains are in an AutoHaul project already running freely without any driver inside. But they don't have any obstacle detection system. So this is why they made all the way to Israel to witness our system capabilities. And after that, we signed a contract with Hitachi, which is the Rio Tinto integrator. We managed to deliver on time our system and also conduct the long-term pilot for about half a year. And now we are discussing the next phase. It was a great success. Our system outperformed through, you know, day, night, whatever the train was driving through. Israeli Railways, as you might have already noticed, we already managed to sign a contract with Israeli Railways. You see here the actual installation for the LTP period. Our system ran about a year through Israel with our system, and the system outperformed beyond any expectation. This is why we managed to sign the contract and move forward with that. And as I mentioned before, this is the first time ever that this system with this kind of technologies, with artificial intelligence classification, is running on operational trains, which is a great message to the market. So what about the future? You know, there's a lot of things to say about the future, but I would mention only one thing: that a train is going autonomous without any doubt. Because when you have to take care of employees to be involved, being drivers in locomotives, so you're not really sure that they are fully concentrated outside the train, the locomotive. They have other things to do, to take care of the system, inspect the systems of the locomotive, and also might have cell phone conversations or whatever. Being autonomous is a matter of fact inevitable, or at least ADAS, assistant driving, autonomous driver assist systems as we have in our cars already now. So there will not be any autonomous system without eyes, and as for today, we are the only available eyes in the market, and we are the best ones, going up to two kilometers classification, which is more than a mile. Let's talk a bit about the people. The chairman of the board, which is a senior vice president of Knorr-Bremse, as I mentioned before, has vast experience in the railway industry. Myself, I am in the sensor technology since '94. I was in the military service as an electro-optics expert, where I was after that in the military industry, defense industry, doing missile warning systems, detection systems. I was jamming missiles for quite a long time, and then we established Rail Vision. And also Ophir, the CFO, which has a vast experience of public companies in Israel and outside Israel as well. A bit about the financial data: as you can see here, Rail Vision capital investment till now is about around 63 million dollars. The net cash flow updated to September 2022 is around 8 million, and the cash balance as for September is around 10.4 million dollars. Okay, so if I'll summarize the presentation: we have a strategic partner which is deeply involved in the industry, also participated in all the rounds of raising money and will participate in the future as well. The market, as I mentioned before, is just huge, and we are there to increase efficiency and decrease downtime. Okay, system is already available. We've been through all the hard problems of development, everything is already set in place. Long-term revenue industry, we are not a dream company. We are not talking about any game in the app store. We are here with a sustainable solution in a sustainable industry. So this is why our business is something real. Okay, so the only thing that I have to say is that our management, as I showed before, also with vast experience in technology, sales, marketing, financial, all the things that you need in order to move forward to the success. Okay, that's it, I think. Thank you very much for your time.
A
Anna Berry21:06
All right, great job. We do have some questions for you. Let's jump in. So Josh Watkins says trains require a great deal of stopping distance. His question is: how much notice is given to the operator of the train? Is it sufficient for stopping to avoid any issue? And how many false alarms, if any, has the system generated? Will that delay travel times?
S
Shahar Hania21:31
Okay, great question. So first of all, our system gives enough time for the driver. At the moment, it has an ADAS, the same as you have in your car. It provides an alert with enough time for the driver to respond, so he can stop the train, he can decrease the speed as to his sure about what to do. Consider a train that travels at 45 or 40 meters per second and you have a few hundreds of meters before you need to take some action. So you have about 10 seconds, 20 seconds to respond. It is quite a lot of time to do that. So about the false alarms, it depends, of course, on the size of the obstacle. But I can say that from a standard obligation point of view, a regulation point of view, all you have to do is be better than a person. And according to available research, you can see that artificial intelligence is doing much better. Different technologies are at 93% classification. So our system can go up to 95% and in some occasions even much more than that.
A
Anna Berry23:04
Thank you for that. Marl Griffin asks: does your system help prevent derailments?
S
Shahar Hania23:11
Sure, if it is an obstacle that caused the derailment, just the accident that took place in Missouri when there was a dump truck that was stuck on the tracks with the terrible train that was there, yes, our system would probably, I wouldn't like to say 100%, but very close to that, would be able to prevent this kind of terrible accident.
A
Anna Berry23:36
And James Brannan asks: how many companies and countries is currently using your system at present?
S
Shahar Hania23:45
I can say that in Europe, Asia, we have POCs there. Also in the U.S., I can say that some of you might have saw a press release of a company in the U.S. that came all the way to Israel to witness our system, and we just placed a PO for one system for a POC. So I think our existence is almost all over the world.
A
Anna Berry24:19
And do you have any current competitors? Who is your biggest competitor?
S
Shahar Hania24:25
For the mainline system that classifies up to two kilometers, I can say proudly that at the moment we don't see somebody that is even close to us. Okay, in the switchyard, there are some attempts for a Russian company or guys from the automotive industry, but in terms of ranges, they are not close to what, as far as we know, we are not close to what we can offer up to 200 meters classification.
A
Anna Berry25:02
And Ken Bryant asks: how much data is collected? Also, what types of different data and how can it all be used or monetized?
S
Shahar Hania25:12
Well, this is a real great question. We are collecting data since even before, as founders, we're collecting data for seven years. And because of the contract that we signed with Israeli Railways from the beginning, we had access to the relevant data for the train industry. We usually don't use data that, you know, the city provides. So whatever available data that you have out there, it is good, you know, for playing around. But the actual data that is related to the train industry in our system was collected in the train industry all over the world. It was in Germany, it was in Israel, U.S., Asia Pacific. So we're talking about hundreds of terabytes of data. And dealing with that, we have the data management in-house. This is a thing that usually we are not outsourcing for that from various reasons. But the main reason is that you have to control the work. You have a lot of rework on the data management. This is why it is very beneficial to do that in-house.
A
Anna Berry26:33
Kat Anderson asks: what is the startup onboarding for a rail company like Norfolk Southern? Can you talk about that? I think that I didn't get the question. Like the onboarding, can you talk a little bit about what the onboarding would be like, as well as the revenue model?
S
Shahar Hania26:56
Well, at the beginning, you know, all beginnings are tough. Same here. The first customers would like to see a transform at least half a year. But I think that what we achieved till now will make our life much, much easier. Once they see that it is moving forward with Israeli Railways, with Australia, with Rio Tinto, and with DB Cargo and some other places around the world, it's going to be much easier. Okay, so keep in mind that every customer that we are talking about means the deal size can go up to tens of millions per customer. So we're talking about working hard, yes, but it will be very beneficial, if I got your question right.
A
Anna Berry27:51
So a comment from Jeff, and I'm going to read it to you, and then if you'd like to comment after. So Jeff says that I've alerted RedChip that there are now two other companies called Rail Vision, one in the UK and one in Canada, that I know are not related to your company, and neither company has stock. So the company in Canada calculates how the trains can maximize their fuel efficiency, equals savings for the company, which is good. And the company in the UK is also good, but somehow or other with cameras they can tell if the wooden RR ties are in need of repair or are accurate up to 200 miles per hour, alerting the train company of the coordinates of which pieces of wood need repaired. Okay, following me? It can also tell a rail company if the brakes are overheating or if the brakes need to be changed, plus they have drones for the shunting stations and more. So continuing on, Jeff says I told RedChip that if you three companies got together, you would have one hell of a company with some serious product offerings and everyone would benefit. There would be economies of scale, only need one salesperson in a territory instead of three, blah, blah, blah. All right, each company could still be their own separate division if they wanted to be. Last note, their value would instantly grow. Not sure of the market value of the company in Canada, they could join into the company. I'm just trying to read everything that Jeff is saying to make sure that we get this. So from there, once these three divisions are working together and train companies see the offerings, Rail Vision as a whole will be the place for train companies to go and buy from, and get their value would probably even double within six months via stock. Shareholders would grow as well. Everyone would win. Jeff says it's definitely worth considering. What do you have to say about that?
S
Shahar Hania29:50
First of all, I'll be grateful if Jeff will find the time for a chat with me later on to have 30 minutes. I'd love to hear his opinion, his insight on what's going on. But talking about these companies, the company in Canada, we know them very well, as a matter of fact. Okay, let's give it this way: they're talking about their Rail Vision Analytics, not Rail Vision. Okay, Rail Vision, the UK, are talking about some kind of device that will be attached to the train, and this is about inspection locomotive, the thing that takes a downtime to the infrastructure itself. Okay, they're all Rail Vision laser-based, and we know the technology very well. But we are talking about looking forward up to two kilometers. A thing that the companies, it might seem the same concept or the same technology, but it is not. But of course, with time, merging with companies like that is a very reasonable economical logic.
A
Anna Berry31:14
Well, what we will do, Shahar, is we will give you Jeff's contact so you guys definitely can have a conversation about this. And we really enjoyed your presentation and would love for you to come back in the future and give us an update. It's very timely for us here, especially in the U.S., so we appreciate your time.
S
Shahar Hania31:30
Thank you very much. It was a great pleasure being here with you.
A
Anna Berry31:35
Okay, thank you. Stay with us, everyone. We'll be right back with our next presenter.