Two MIT heavyweights take their ‘intense’ classroom debates on power, policy, and markets to a global audience
SARASOTA, FL (JLN) ― April 2, 2026 ― Former top U.S. markets regulator Gary Gensler and Nobel Prize-winning economist Simon Johnson are turning their MIT classroom dynamic into a public forum with “Power & Consequences,” a new podcast aimed at unpacking complex policy debates for a broader audience. The show grew out of their work editing “The Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration” for the Center for Economic Policy Research, a dense volume drawing on more than 50...
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0:44And what are the consequences for tomorrow's power centers as well?
2:24Do you create something where one set of parties can extract rents or excess profits or do you do something that creates public goods?
We edited this book last year for the Center for Economic Policy Research, a European research group, the economic consequence of the second Trump administration. So, it's a very dense document. We have more than 50 specialists. And there was some discussion about how to do outreach, how to connect this material with broader audiences. The goal of the podcast is to focus on demystifying relatively complex and totally fascinating policy issues, particularly around economics and finance. That's what we do in the classroom, Gary. Gary and I multiple classrooms particularly one course on exactly these kinds of topics. And that's what we're trying to bring to the podcast and so far at least we've been very happy and the listeners we've managed to attract so far have also given us some good feedback.
How do you define power and consequences? Power is the power of ideas, the power in politics, economic power, technological power. We look at history to see what lessons can be drawn for today. You know, every law was written by humans and those laws written by humans were in a context of a certain policy debate at that time and generally some economic debate at that time and in a technological context. So we do a lot of that on the podcast. As for consequences, it's what does it mean to our viewers. So we look at today and yesterday to see what does this mean for you the listener for tomorrow. How do you invest around it? How do you think about your economic well-being, your families or your businesses? And what are the consequences for tomorrow's power centers as well?
I have to say John, we thought of a lot of different potential titles. Our students gave us terrific input. There's I think four and a half million podcasts out there. So most of the good titles are taken already. And then Gary said, 'How about power and consequences?' And for me that kind of clicked because a lot of times what we talk about and what interests our students is who has power, what does power mean, what do you do if you have power? But then they're really interested and we're really interested in what are the consequences, who does that impact. So episodes we've done so far include monetary policy, economic effects of the US Iran conflict, is Greenland next, that's where we're on this week. Next week is prediction markets and the week after is private credit under pressure. So, I think that title, Gary, thank you for coming up with it, lets us cover a really wide range of topics that frankly interest us.
At the core of Simon's research over decades, I mean, he researches so many things. He's one of these multi-talented individuals. But that core research with Daron Acemoglu and Jim Robinson that was really recognized properly recognized with this Nobel Prize is about institutions and the rule of law both political institutions and economic institutions and how they can be tilted towards one group of the public rather than another group. It could be the elite or it could be the broad public. And every policy debate that we bring into the classroom for our students, we remind them that policy choices affect individuals, but they don't affect individuals uniformly. They tend to have some eb and flow or push. And so that also appealed to me that that's also the power and then the consequences of who are the winners, who are the losers in economic terms. Look at what are the economic rents, what's being extracted possibly from the system. And this of course is a matter of choice in these policy debates. Do you create something where one set of parties can extract rents or excess profits or do you do something that creates public goods? In capital markets we think of that around transparency, market integrity, access, competition in a market because of course in any policy debate there are winners and losers.
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Gensler, G. (2026, April 2). Power & Consequences: Gensler & Nobel Laureate Johnson Take MIT Policy Debates to Podcast Listeners [Interview transcript]. John Lothian News (JLN). CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/811785/
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Gary Gensler. "Power & Consequences: Gensler & Nobel Laureate Johnson Take MIT Policy Debates to Podcast Listeners." John Lothian News (JLN), 2 Apr. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/811785/.
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@misc{gensler2026_811785,
author = {Gary Gensler},
title = {Power \& Consequences: Gensler \& Nobel Laureate Johnson Take MIT Policy Debates to Podcast Listeners},
howpublished = {Interview transcript, John Lothian News (JLN). CEOInterviews.AI},
year = {2026},
month = {apr},
url = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/811785/},
note = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}