Edward Pick34:45
Yeah. Adolescent, I mean to say sort of coming of age. The asset class did not exist, and when the private lenders stepped in effectively in the place of the traditional Wall Street firms, it was new and of course became part of the story for private and also public asset managers. You know, we have to remember that this class is real. It's at anywhere between 1.5, 1.7 trillion. High yield similar size, levered lending similar size, but the IG market obviously is enormously bigger at 13 to 15 trillion. So it's just one piece of the credit stack. And the reality is that with spreads having widened out a bit, there is an institutional bid, and we've seen this now in the last week where a number of the top asset managers have underwritten, and we've been very happy to act as underwriter on some benchmark issuances. There have been actually two over the last couple days where at the asset manager level, at the BDC level, real capital has been raised at quite reasonable rates to help get at the refinancing phenomenon that will exist in the years ahead. Now the reality is some asset managers are going to outperform other asset managers, and that's just the nature of product selection and diversification. Part of the reason that the FAs do such a brilliant job with our clients is that they very much preach this idea of durably growing your portfolio in a risk-managed way, taking into account your liquidity needs in every imaginable scenario. And then importantly, to think about how alts over time, over decades, generations, and even lifetimes can be an additive part of your portfolio. And even with that, through the decades of alts being introduced into the system, this is going back to the financial crisis, through COVID, through a number of years ago, these products have sort of sustained the test of time. And even now, the penetration is only 5%. So on the one hand it's material, on the other hand it is still an area of growth. And the key is to be selective in how you put that capital across different alternative selections, whether it's PE, private credit, infrastructure, or just straight private equity, and then real estate, the four big ones, and how you have selected managers on a diversified basis, on the basis of where they have expertise by sector, what their history is of deployment, what their history is of return on capital. And that is part of the learning, and I think that has been taking place. And the data point that I would put to you, which we've heard elsewhere too, is that during the quarter, notwithstanding all of the press and discussion, the system was a better buyer pair of vaults. And so that is an important indicator that folks want to be participating at the right price with the right manager. And then over time, the asset managers that perform will generate terrific results, and the ones that perform less well will underperform. And that becomes part of the asset manager selection dynamic.