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Chairman & CEO, Chubb Limited

Chubb Limited Q1 2026 Earnings Call | Net Income Hits $2.3B as P&C Underwriting Income Surges 14%

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About Evan Greenberg

Evan Greenberg, chairman and CEO of Chubb, discussed the company’s performance and market conditions during the Q4 2024 and Q2 2026 earnings calls. On the Q4 2024 call, Greenberg described California as a “difficult market” where insurers are “unable to generate a reasonable risk adjusted return” due to regulatory pressures. He also stated that the insurance industry is in a “prolonged” inflationary period, requiring rates to move “just to stay in place.” On the Q2 2026 call, Greenberg noted that “soft market conditions have begun to spread beyond property to more casualty lines,” with pricing in some areas failing to keep pace with rising loss costs. He reported that Chubb’s life division produced $332 million in pre-tax income for the quarter, up 9% year-over-year, and that the division now generates annual premiums of over $8 billion. Greenberg expressed confidence in the company’s ability to “continue to outperform” and generate double-digit growth in tangible book value.

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Transcript (51 segments)
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Operator0:00
Thank you for standing by. My name is Jill and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Chubb Limited first quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. Now to turn the conference over to Susan, President of Investor Relations.
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Susan0:32
Thank you, and let me add my welcome to our March 31, 2026 first quarter earnings conference call. Our report today will contain forward-looking statements, including statements relating to the company's performance, pricing and business mix, growth opportunities, and economic and market conditions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ from those expressed in these statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is available on our website, investors.chubb.com. For more information on factors that could affect these matters, we will also refer today to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of which to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and related details are provided in our earnings press release and financial supplement. Now I'll introduce our speakers. First we have Evan Greenberg, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, followed by our Chief Financial Officer. They will then take your questions. Also with us to assist with your questions are several members of our management team. And now, my pleasure to turn the call over to Evan.
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Evan Greenberg1:41
Good morning. We had an excellent quarter and start to the year. Our results speak to the strength and resilience of our company. Underwriting results were excellent across all major lines of business globally. High inflation, geopolitical risk, and economic growth continue to be the dominant themes. Financial markets remain strong, including equity and credit, and a growing energy sector, to name a few. In times of stress, strong companies outperform weaker ones. Our diversified nature of the company, by geography, by line of business, and by distribution, continues to be a source of strength. Our core operating return on tangible equity was 20.6%, and our core operating ROE was 14.5%. I have more to say about financial items. Turning to growth, pricing, and the rate environment. P&C premiums grew 7.2%, with consumer up 14.2%, and commercial up 4.6%. International P&C premiums grew 14.4%, with Asia up 6.1%, and Latin America up 4.1%. Europe grew 7.8%. In North America, commercial lines pricing was up 8.2%. In our international retail commercial business, P&C rates were down 2%, and financial lines rates were down 7.4%. In North America, commercial property pricing was up 3.7%, and casualty lines were up 8.25%. The market is competitive, particularly in shared and layered property. We shrank our exposure in that line. In our middle market and small commercial business, P&C premiums grew 3.3%, with P&C lines up almost 5%, and financial lines down 5.7%. In North America, commercial property and casualty pricing, excluding large account property, was up 8.2%. Exposure change was 2.3%. Property pricing was down 2.6%, and exposure was up 4%. However, going further, property pricing was down 14.3% in the shared and layered market. And specialty, for the business we wrote, market pricing for the business we gave up or passed on was down between 30% and 40%. The larger the premium, the greater the price decline. In our middle market and small commercial property, pricing was up 8.3%. In Latin America, pricing was up 9.6%, with exposure up 8.4%. In Asia, pricing was up 1.1%, and exposure was up 4.3%. And in Europe, pricing was about flat. Our overall loss experience in North America commercial was little changed, with no change in casualty and other long-tail lines. On the consumer side of North America, our high-growth personal lines business had a very good quarter with premium growth of 8.3%. North America works benefits grew 16%. The life division produced $316 million of pretax income in the quarter, up 8%. And adjusting for a few items that benefited last year, core life was up 11%. In summary, we had an excellent quarter. We executed well in a difficult environment. Generally, strong companies outperform weaker ones. Our diversified nature, market-leading presence, and operating discipline continue to be sources of strength. I'll now turn the call over to Peter, and we'll come back and take questions.
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Peter12:21
Thank you, Evan. Our first quarter was strong, and we concluded March in excellent financial position. Our balance sheet strength and liquidity, including cash and invested assets of nearly $173.8 billion, remain a key competitive advantage. During the quarter, we issued 200 million Swiss francs, approximately $250 million US, of debt at a very attractive cost of 1%. We returned $1.5 billion of capital to shareholders, including $1.1 billion in share repurchases at an average price of $256 per share, and $380 million in dividends. We ended the period with an all-time high in book value of nearly $74 billion, or $193 per share. Book and tangible book value per share, excluding AOCI, grew 12.1% and 16.5%, respectively. Our core operating return on tangible equity and core operating ROE in the quarter were 20.6% and 14.5%, respectively. Pretax cat losses were $500 million for the quarter, split 87% US and 13% international. Pretax prior period development in the quarter for active companies was favorable, $301 million, comprising $322 million of favorable development in short-tail lines and $21 million of unfavorable development in long-tail lines. A corporate run-off portfolio had adverse development of $15 million. The pay-to-claims ratio for the quarter was 87%, and our net loss reserves increased to nearly $69 billion, representing growth of 5% from first quarter last year. Turning to our investments, our invested portfolio increased about $1.5 billion from strong operating cash flow and positive foreign exchange gains, partially offset by $1.6 billion of net unrealized losses from an increase in interest rates and widening of credit spreads. Adjusted net investment income of $1.84 billion was at the top end of our previously guided range, primarily due to the increase in our invested asset base and stronger private equity returns. We expect adjusted net investment income in the second quarter to be between $1.825 billion to $1.85 billion. The core operating effective tax rate of 19.3% for the quarter was slightly below our previously guided range, primarily due to compensation-related equity awards which vest in the first quarter. We continue to expect our core operating effective tax rate for the full year to be in the range of 19.5% to 20%. Thank you, Peter. We will now move to the Q&A session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask a question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure your line is not on mute when asking your question. And for today's session, we do request that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.
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Operator15:41
Your first question comes from the line of Bob Huang of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
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Bob Huang15:48
Hi, good morning. My first question is on the geopolitical commentaries you had in your opening remarks. Can you maybe help us unpack this concept a little bit? Hearing inflationary concerns out of Asia, out of parts of Europe, to the conflict in Iran. Do you see that at some point in time affecting pricing expectations in the US market if the conflict kind of drags longer than expected? Curious your thoughts on that.
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Evan Greenberg16:24
You know, as I said, the degree, the pattern, the timing is unknowable. However, global supply chains depend substantially. You mentioned Asia. The US, we depend on supply chains through Asia. We depend on supply chains through the Middle East. The impact of the geopolitical risk on supply chain availability, of commodities, and other inputs, and the impact on shipping, of course, is going to have an inflationary impact. How it passes through to inflation in the US, the degree of it, and where it actually shows up is not really knowable at this time. But it's going to be zero, that's for sure. And how transient it is is unknowable also. The longer it goes on, the stickier it will be. That's the sort of the mental model I have. How it shows up in insurance, I don't know. It's not something that I'm overly concerned about. It will likely be transient. We'll see what it is when it shows up, and we will respond to it accordingly.
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Bob Huang18:09
Really appreciate this. My second question is on the small markets business and AI. So when we think about Chubb's small markets business, that has grown fairly well over the past. And as we think about you deploying more AI capabilities, either maybe through distribution or just internal capabilities on underwriting, can you maybe help us to think about the growth trajectory over the next five years? Is it fair to say the end market for you specifically, the smaller end of that, can grow multiple times bigger in five years' time? Is that the right way to think about it?
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Evan Greenberg18:52
I think about it a little differently. I think about the small commercial market, retail, and I actually think the greater opportunity for growth is in the vast retail insurance market. But what we have done to transform that, and what we're doing now with AI and large language models and enterprise software that comes from that, well, yes, it is a real growth area for our company over the next five years. And by the way, not only in the US, but we will grow in markets internationally.
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Operator20:18
Your next question comes from Mike Bisignano of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
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Mike Bisignano20:25
Hi, thanks. Good morning. Question regarding some of your commentary around the pricing cycle, specifically in the larger account marketplaces where you called out pricing power is declining more than you feel makes sense to Chubb. You also called out that the London specialty market is getting more competitive. Curious, you've been through lots of cycles. What's causing the competition this time? Is it just simply what you've seen before and folks are getting excited about increasing top-line growth in the soft market? Is there some other causes this time that you want to call out?
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Evan Greenberg21:15
Yeah, thank you. And let's step back and put a perspective on it. The market rates. So, I gave you Chubb. I gave you what we lost business for. If I sort of step back and look at overall market rates in shared and layered in North America and in London, pricing overall is off 25% in the quarter, heading to 30%. You can actually see it's accelerating in that trend. And by the way, loss cost, to put a point on it, loss cost, they're moving at about 4% to 5% in shared and layered property. So you can work out the math there. Always, so the capital that is chasing a relatively finite amount of business, and by the way, in a concentrated way, if you look at the property catastrophe market in the United States, it is boxed up and brought to underwriters. You don't access it like retail insurance. You can, and it's urban-based. It doesn't take a lot of capability. It takes some balance sheet capital and a couple of underwriters, and you know, you're in the market. So it's a hunger that way. The difference, and I wrote about it in the shareholder letter so you can read that, I won't repeat it, the difference is the incentive systems. You know, the majority of them are just volume-based. What they bring, they bring a cheaper price and a higher commission. And the reinsurance market and alternative capital, and the number of slices of the apple in the supply chain taken by intermediation, that is what you are seeing. And by the way, the loser at the end of the day is the ultimate risk taker who puts up the capital. And this sort comes home rather quickly, so stay tuned.
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Mike Bisignano24:29
Helpful. And my follow-up is just on digital transformation. You gave us an update back in December, but you've been talking about digital transformation for many, many years, probably much longer than most. Just curious, has your view changed in recent months given advances in technology on the kind of the pace or the cadence of the digital transformation? Is it front-end loaded, back-end loaded, or just right over time? And also, just do you feel that your digital transformation goals, since they're longer term, could change fairly materially over time given the pace of change in technology?
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Evan Greenberg25:13
I haven't changed my view of our goal in digital transformation. The technology is evolving, and the most significant development in the last number of months, that frankly is still emerging, there's a lot to talk about it, but how it actually operationalizes is not yet known. What brings it are enterprise solutions that some of the leaders of large language models are working to actually operationalize all that they have in development. And I think those trends, as they emerge, will accelerate, improve, lower costs, make it easier. So, you know, I'll stop right there. It's an exciting time, and you have to spend, and I spend much more time on this subject than I did even two years ago. You need to have, you know, you listen to others, but you've got to have first-hand knowledge. And otherwise, you yourself start to become irrelevant as a leader. That's on my mind.
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Operator27:12
Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Peters of Raymond James. Your line is open.
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Gregory Peters27:18
Good morning, everyone. So, you know, I'll ask the follow-up question to some of your comments you just made. And some of your shareholders reached out to me, and specifically, you know, there's so much news in the marketplace about the rapid evolution of technology, specifically the new piece of information processing, the Anthropic models. Just curious how you view this type of technology and risks to like the cyber insurance market. How you think it might affect contingent business interruption? And then, you know, these tech companies are rolling out this technology, and if it causes problems, I'm sure they are going to face some liability costs. So just trying to come at it from a slightly different angle.
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Evan Greenberg28:23
Sure, Gregory, and a different angle, and it's the right question. You know, first, just on Anthropic, and it's the notion of finding vulnerabilities, and we've redefined vulnerabilities. The threshold for vulnerability has been lowered. What were minor vulnerabilities can now be aggregated in a much more insightful way. Anthropic is a code generator, so it can read code. So it shouldn't be shocking that since it can read code, look at another use that has emerged. And then others think, Gemini, and the company's business model, they go and they do searches for information, that means they know systems, computers, they know how to access the systems. So firstly, it can look at finding vulnerabilities. Now, it's not just you can use this to find your own vulnerabilities. Most companies also use software in their estates, and so third-party, and to the degree software is that way in the estate, you can find vulnerabilities. So, you know, the arms race now is about hygiene and services to support identifying and fixing. And clearly, how important are you, do you identify and patch? And now the tools to patch are more automated, quicker, and you need to have faster speed. So that's the defense side of it. While we know the offense side is just around the corner. By the way, from what we can tell so far, in cyber attacks using AI, it's only one area of concern. So where it didn't involve a human, other than that human in the loop, when they're using it so far, from an underwriting point of view, obviously policy and pricing are on our minds. Large companies will be much better at hygiene and have much stronger perimeters to get through, to penetrate, than small companies. Small companies, on the other hand, are less targeted individually but create more systemic concerns. And then finally, the biggest meatball there is middle market companies. They are a target. They've got more data. All that is percolating. All that, as an underwriter, I give you all you have to be thoughtful about.
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Gregory Peters32:31
Thank you, that's good color. For my follow-up, I'm going to just focus on, you know, if you look at the P&C consolidated operations, generating a 84 combined ratio, you're on track to have a heck of a year. How do you think broadly speaking about the new business penalty? You know, the fact that writing new business could be dilutive to that 84 combined ratio. Can you walk us through your mental model on some points that you run in your various businesses?
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Evan Greenberg33:15
Well, we run in our various businesses, call it 85% and north of retention. Large accounts, the property I talked about is where we, you know, well, we shrank volume. And by the way, that half the volume we shrank, most of it was because we walked away. We also purchased additional reinsurance that impacted our premium growth and reduced our exposure. But we always have a new business, quote unquote, penalty. So I don't see, I'm thinking about what you're saying, and I don't really see much of an impact. Any new business, underwriting, property, if anything, what we do is we underwrite and price if we can.
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Operator34:36
Thank you for your questions. Your next question comes from the line of Meyer Shields of KBW. Your line is open.
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Meyer Shields34:44
Great, thanks so much and good morning. I guess one modeling question to start with. Obviously you called out the savings-oriented single premiums in life insurance in terms of written premiums, and we saw similar, I guess, up in policy benefits. Does that stay elevated in future quarters also if the sales of these products normalize or go back to what it was before?
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Evan Greenberg35:17
Do you want to take that offline or you want to answer? Yeah, I'll just real quick. So, the savings-oriented products, as you know, are more spread-based than underwriting margin-based, and that's how you have to think about it. And so, if you will, if we're selling elevated amounts of premium, there would be a policy benefit that would match it, but over time the margin comes through the investment product. And I don't just understand it's Asia, and first quarter in Asia, classically agency business is very fast. I don't expect to see this kind of growth continue in single premium business. Return on capital for it is brilliant. I'm not in love with the margin of it, but I'll tell you what, it's like mutual fund business. You write a lot of it and you make some money. But I expect more of growth in regular premium and risk-based product as we go forward in the year.
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Meyer Shields36:23
Ok, fantastic. That's very helpful. And if I can sort of switch gears back to AI, one of the debates out there right now is whether if the insurance brokers collectively use AI to lower their own expenses or expand their margins, does that provide an opportunity for companies like Chubb to reduce acquisition expenses?
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Evan Greenberg36:47
At the right moment, it does. I mean, ultimately, I have to tell you, and you know, I have been in this business a long time, and this industry has certain syndicates about it, and there's a belief that therefore these things will be durable, like the cost of intermediation. Brokers, over numbers of years, are in an age of digitalization, age of AI, what technology ultimately will bring down. And if you look at the equation, I think it will.
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Operator38:20
Your next question comes from the line of Tracy Big of Wolf Research. Your line is open.
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Tracy Big38:26
Good morning. Hey, good morning. My question is for Peter. There's been a noticeable change in tone by the market around private credit recently. From your perspective, has that influenced how you're thinking about the role private credit should play in your portfolio going forward? And if you could also touch on the health of the existing book, any trends you may be seeing in underlying borrower performance or early signs of stress.
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Peter38:55
Good morning. Yeah, sure. On our private credit, our exposure to private credit is less than 4% of total investments, and just over 50% of that total is indirect lending, consisting of first lien senior secured loans that are at the top of a capital structure. The portfolio is pari passu managed, and I think that's important, not BDCs, where we have control of and enforce conservative guidelines to our managers. While the direct lending market has grown rapidly, as you know, in the last few years, we've remained disciplined and have not grown our allocation. Our small group of experienced managers has consistently delivered strong, conservative results with a loss rate of less than 10 basis points. The lending portfolio is across less than a quarter of our total investment portfolio.
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Tracy Big40:16
It's super helpful. I'm also love to get your thoughts on how about the duration of this soft cycle. Does that speed of property pricing declines suggest something shorter-lived, maybe less sustainable, or do the structural and capital factors you discussed with Mike point to a longer soft cycle? And if you could also touch on if you've seen any deterioration on terms and conditions that may play into the duration of this soft cycle.
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Evan Greenberg40:47
Yeah. Terms and conditions, just on the margin. Not zero, but on the margin. And as to duration, well look, I don't know. What I do know is you underwrite business in property, and I haven't noticed that the attritional loss environment in property, property premium, property pricing is made up of two things: attritional loss, so you got to price to support attritional loss, and then catastrophe. I haven't noticed a diminution in the attritional loss environment. That's pretty steady, and you know, it has a little volatility to it, the size of losses, but pretty darn steady. And on the cat side, well, unless you believe that the models are wrong or that somehow the climate environment is going to change or has changed and is going to become something other than what it has been, then you know, we are in a cat environment. And the only way out for capital providers at that point is to adjust pricing, and they got the right instincts. And so generally, in my mind, you go to a dumb place pretty quick, then the reaction the other way will be quicker. But you know what? I don't know with certainty, but that's kind of my mental model.
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Operator42:57
Thank you. Very helpful. David Madden, your line is open.
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David Madden43:02
Hey, thanks. Good morning. I had another market question for North America commercial. Noticed that the casualty pricing has held in pretty well here and actually accelerated a little bit this quarter. I get that it's nuanced, but as property returns come under pressure, do you expect to see increased competitive behavior shifting into casualty? Are you seeing any early signs of that? Just sort of wondering your outlook there.
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Evan Greenberg43:29
No, the pattern in pricing so far is about what I observed to you in prior quarters. And the lines that need price, you're getting price in excess of loss cost. And where the pricing is adequate, it is generally flat to or in some instances below loss cost increases. But I see it at this point, as I look through the stack, as pretty rational. Not everywhere, of course, you know, it's a market, but overall I do. And I even have been surprised in certain areas where the market responds and creates more opportunity where rate is required and the market is respected.
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David Madden44:42
Got it. Thanks. That's encouraging there. Maybe just switching gears. The Chubb works benefits, the 16% growth there, that's pretty solid I think, especially after similar growth last year. Could you just talk a little bit about the strategic role of the works benefits business within the broader portfolio and how you're thinking about the key building blocks to scale it from here? Whether that's distribution, product expansion, or maybe even potentially M&A in there on the horizon?
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Evan Greenberg45:18
As we see it, we built it organically, and we're continuing to. It's fundamentally part of our accident and health strategy. It's an agency force combined that we have co-opted to not sell individual insurance but small group works benefits business. And it is predominantly a supplemental business that, you know, us for dread disease, hospital cash, etc., to lower-middle income to middle-income people, and provides a supplemental product. It's the same but with a different distribution for larger accounts, middle market, upper-middle market to large jumbo. Now where we've won business, and it works very closely with our P&C distribution. We cross-sell works benefits and not cross-sell one to the other, is because in fact the relationships and the accounts, we are benefiting from that in the growth of works benefits. And again, it's product mix, more of life into risk-based product. When I look at the overall story of our life business, and you look at our international life business, which you overdosed on, it's a testament to what we are doing between accident and health and life, both are growing.
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Operator48:06
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Scott. Your line is open.
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Alex Scott48:14
Thanks. First is on the Middle East conflict. Can you talk about your involvement, some of the solutions that are being contemplated from marine and trade credit and so forth, and to what degree that can support some growth in your term? And to what degree, what can support it, could just help with, I guess, growth opportunity?
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Evan Greenberg48:38
I was approached by our government to put together the program that you have, that we announced, to support shipping through the Gulf and open up when they think that the risk environment is such that they can support with military convoys that would transit the Gulf. And that has to occur is to underwrite those risks. And the role of our insurance is to be part of a convoy that the US would, the US military would run. The insurance is sorted by US insurers taking 50%, and the other 50% is taken by an arm of the UK government. We have done it number one for our country and to our military, number two to support the global commons and the economy, to the degree that we are practicing our craft. And you know, in place, and when such, if they are, then you know, this will obviously generate, would potentially generate premium revenue. And you know, stay tuned.
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Alex Scott50:50
That's all helpful, thank you. Second one is on your partnership with KKR and some of the funds that you're putting together. And I just wanted to check in on the timing of it, you know, when some of those new things you've been working on are going to potentially contribute to NII, or if they're already contributing to NII, just wasn't clear. And I guess related to that, you know, some of the AI disruption, has that changed anything about your involvement, the work you're doing?
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Evan Greenberg51:21
Yeah, I think you're missing something. We have disclosed quite clearly, particularly the last investor dinner and in quarters before, quite a bit of detail about our alternative assets and the investment activity there, what our strategy is. Half of it is our partners. We described what that is about, and by the way, we've been very clear about the income that it is producing and the income we expect to produce over the next few years that we expect to achieve as we talked about capital deployment. So that's all there, but we're happy to, you know, separately take it offline and give you detail around it. I think Peter wanted to give you a line to talk offline. It does show up in adjusted NII, and you can see it on the income statement, income from private partnerships.
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Peter52:43
You understand, thank you.
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Operator52:50
Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Heimerman of Citi. Your line is open.
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Matthew Heimerman52:59
Good morning, everybody. Just one on reinsurance. I'm just curious, should we think about, if relative to a softening in pricing, how you're thinking about rate adequacy, just more opportunistic reinsurance purchases on a go-forward basis? Or is it just this was so acute, particularly on the property side, you could help us do so? Can you just repeat that, Matt? We have something changing. Can you hear me? I can hear you, and I'm on a headset. So we just ourselves a headset, but go ahead. Just how to think about how likely additional opportunistic reinsurance purchases are. And I don't want to overreact to what you did on property, but the declines were pretty significant. But just how likely, because I don't see you as an arbitrage reinsurance buyer, but obviously it gets available. So just trying to think about how your thinking around risk management evolves with the reinsurance pricing spread. And the follow-on, really, which I'm really curious about is like where does this allow you anywhere to take more risk, asset side, etc.?
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Evan Greenberg54:23
Yeah, I'm not really going there except to say to you that it's axiomatic in here when pricing becomes marginal or inadequate, we have various tools to manage exposure, and our appetite for exposure is one of those.
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Peter55:01
Could you hear that? We're having some audio issues. You're clear to me. Willing to add anything, Evan, to if shrinking risk appetite plays into, you know, proper response to market conditions, does that create some flexibility to take asset side risk? Any complex change in the portfolio that influence that? No, the way we run our business, we don't think that. We've got plenty of capital, and we maximize the amount of risk we take based on how we judge risk-reward. And there's no trade one to the other.
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Operator55:57
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Meredith of UBS. Your line is open.
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Brian Meredith56:02
Yeah, thanks. Keep hearing a lot about price, what's happening in the property markets. You can talk about terms and conditions. Hearing a little bit more about some softening terms and conditions from people. Are you seeing that? Maybe you can maybe dive in a little bit because that can be kind of scary.
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Evan Greenberg56:23
Welcome to the insurance business. It's not scary. It just is what it always turns out to be. Now, as I said earlier, we're seeing it only on the margin right now. Other than that, we're not at this point seeing changes to terms and conditions, and we're quite mindful. By the way, when we look at pricing changes, we value the changes. So we don't just say price goes this, and by the way, change in waiting periods, deductibles, CPI, etc., that's just off to the side. No, we actually put value on it.
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Brian Meredith57:26
Great. And then second question is, heard a little bit from some other companies about admitted markets getting more competitive and taking business from the wholesale unadmitted markets. Are you seeing that at this point?
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Evan Greenberg57:43
I am on the margin of it so far. And frankly, it's what's so interesting today. I look at middle market and small commercial, admitted, admitted is much, much more disciplined. So, and that is again back to the comment I made about distribution, capital, systems. Some people, to see some go back to admitted, would surprise me. To see more of a pattern in a softening market, where I'm seeing it is more, you know, on the margin in the property. You know, that people get so excited to write habitational wood-frame business in California. Good luck to them.
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Operator59:02
Thank you. We run out of time for questions. This concludes today's Q&A session. The conference is back over to Susan for closing.
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Susan59:11
Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. If you have any questions, we will be available. Thank you.