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Noubar Afeyan
Founder & CEO, Flagship Pioneering

El CEO de Flagship Pioneering, Noubar Afeyan, analiza el uso de la IA en la ciencia en Semafor World

🎥 May 01, 2026 📺 New York Stock Exchange ⏱ 7m 👁 4 views
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About Noubar Afeyan

Noubar Afeyan, founder and CEO of Flagship Pioneering, discussed the company's approach to biotech innovation in a recent interview. He described Flagship as an entity designed to create multiple companies simultaneously, an idea he said was inspired by the venture capital model of parallel investment. Afeyan stated that Flagship initially raised about $60 million and has since launched over 100 companies, 30 of which are publicly traded. Reflecting on the development of Moderna, which he co-founded in 2010, Afeyan said the company was one of many experimental ideas pursued by Flagship. He noted that "experiments in reality and execution have dictated which of those Modernas got to live and which of those Modernas got to die." Afeyan also remarked that transformative breakthroughs can emerge from "unreasonable beginnings," adding that focusing only on "reasonable beginnings" is unlikely to yield such results.

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Transcript (8 segments)
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Narrator0:00
The SE4 World Economy Summit held earlier this month in Washington DC brought together CEOs, policy makers, and investors to discuss the future of the global economy. Our very own Kristen Scher was on the ground and spoke with key decision makers including Flagship Pioneering founder and CEO Noubar Afeyan, who explained how the evolution of artificial intelligence is impacting healthcare and science. Take a listen.
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Noubar Afeyan0:27
Well, there's a way that it's affecting every sector and it's also affecting healthcare, which is productivity, simplifying work, making things more efficient. But then there's a unique way in which AI is affecting science, which is really completely different territory. And that is the whole scientific method is increasingly being leveraged by AI and then leveraging of AI in the sense that we're using generative AI to come up with new hypotheses, not one at a time but hundreds of them at a time. We're using AI to design experimental protocols that otherwise hundreds of scientists would be involved in doing. And then we're actually running experiments increasingly in automated labs and then interpreting the data. That whole wheel of science that's historically been very important as to its output but very inefficient and slow is becoming AI, if I can call it that. And it's really a marvel to see because we don't really know kind of where it goes. This is a little like Whimo for scientific discovery, to put it in a kind of a trivial way, but it's really potent and we're just beginning to see the effects of that.
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Interviewer1:31
What does America need to do to keep its innovation edge?
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Noubar Afeyan1:35
Wow. So many things I think have contributed to our innovation edge. I'd say first and foremost our immigration policy has been a huge part of that in the sense that we've attracted the best and brightest from the world and we've been able to incentivize them to stay here and to contribute and that's been a very big driver. I think that the policies that we use in terms of funding basic research that leads to some of the major breakthroughs, there's a whole continuum. People don't realize when they see a breakthrough, when some satellite gets shot up in the sky and does wonderful things, where's that come from? And the answer is a consistent investment in basic research that follows by applied research, follows by entrepreneurial research all the way to companies that can create these products. There is a real battle going on as to whether that research is worth it and whether we should just get out of the business of funding scientific research by and large, and that's really scary in my view. Then there's competitiveness issues. You know, we're competing with China in certain sectors, particularly in biotechnology, and we definitely are feeling the effects of that because they have a centrally planned economy that's focusing on some areas of relative advantage for them, particularly new drugs that can be developed very efficiently there and the US biotech industry is feeling that. Now, competition is good in general because it makes you even better. But competition based on policies that are very different as to what it takes to take something into the clinic and test it in humans or the ability to aggregate data from lots of places so you can make much better decisions, these are things that are essentially not possible in the US. We're not organized that way. So, we've been advocating that there needs to be attention paid to some of the conditions for us to maintain our competitive edge. So I think that the challenges bring opportunities. The startup community that's very healthy in the US, we need to make sure we're protecting that advantage. Obviously large companies are also competing. So how do we create the dynamics right to make sure that happens? All of that goes into competitive advantage and innovation.
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Interviewer3:37
What is the impact that AI is having and can potentially have when it comes to scientific methods?
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Noubar Afeyan3:43
Well, AI, if you think about artificial intelligence, maybe I'll start with this. You know, we've had human intelligence as the only form of intelligence since humans invented language. So, one of the interesting things when you grow up, you realize that animals are supposed to be not intelligent because humans said so. That we have no idea if they're intelligent or not. But that's what we say. Now, all of a sudden, in the last few years, we've made room in our lexicon for another form of intelligence. We call that artificial. It's machine intelligence. I rather call it machine intelligence. And it's a different kind of intelligence. But now that we've done that, I would say the interesting new emerging frontier is that we're going back and looking at nature and realizing that it too is all sorts of forms of intelligence. A cell in your body is a form of intelligence. Otherwise, you couldn't use immune cells to go after cancers. A virus is an intelligent entity in that it wouldn't otherwise it can't take down hundreds of millions of people around the world with infection. So that form of intelligence we're beginning to realize can be better understood by machine intelligence than necessarily human intelligence. That's a really profound thing. I call this poly intelligence. There's multiple forms of intelligence. So AI in my view will be a way for us to understand more about nature and do more good with it. Of course we have to be careful of the bad that can be done with it, but the good can be better medicines, better foods, better climate mitigation, you name it. I think we can improve a lot if we understand how nature does what it does and that's what AI is a key to.
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Interviewer5:12
What excites you that you see in the pipeline?
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Noubar Afeyan5:15
You know there's so many technologies including the ones that Flagship's been working on that are making biology a programmable field. You know it's interesting when I went to school some 40 some years ago, there was computer science and then there was engineering and basic sciences. And computer science since then has really taken off and information technology, that's a big deal. In the biological chemical sciences we kind of haven't done things that differently, it's been incremental. What excites me is that we're beginning to now realize that biology and medicines can be programmable. We can start using the same advantages that you see in it in terms of modular reusable ideas that can be used to scale things in the biotechnology field, in medicine, in healthcare, in agriculture. So what excites me is this programmability making a field that was quite artisanal much more industrial and scalable. And that from an economic impact standpoint and an impact to the globe is just, we're just seeing little signs. And interestingly the pandemic gave us a glimpse of that because we took a technology, our technology in mRNA at Moderna, and applied it to a global threat that created massive economic loss, trillions of dollars of economic loss. And just with that one technology, we scaled it from having only ever made hundreds of doses of anything to a billion doses in a year. There isn't examples of that where you can go from 100 to a billion units, iPhones, you know, the Fitbits. And I think that's going to begin to usher in a new era where the scalability of biotechnology and its impact will be felt. And so now, and one of the things that I ironically expect is that people's expectations of our field will go up as a result. And as expectations go up, capital follows. And as those expectations are met, hopefully increasingly more effectively, there's going to be even more possibilities. So, it's really an interesting flywheel effect that I look forward to.