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Joseph Lonsdale
Co-Founder, Palantir Technologies

Why Fearing Ai Could Destroy Your Future | Joe Lonsdale

📅 May 11, 2026 The Rubin Report and Joe Lonsdale 11 MIN 3159 VIEWS 43 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Joe Lonsdale about AI, Palantir growth, the future of tech innovation, productivity growth, and America’s coming industrial revolution; why AI will create wealth and new jobs rather than destroy opportunity; the debate over “robber barons,” capitalism, and economic growth; how envy and “mind virus” politics hurt innovation; school choice, education reform, and defending liberty; the dignity of work, automation, robotics, and vocational jobs; and the role of government, defense tech, and AI regulation in America’s future, and much more. Watch Dave Rubin...

What Joseph Lonsdale said

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Joseph Lonsdale argued that AI is driving a new industrial revolution that will massively benefit average people, citing that in past revolutions, median working-class wealth doubled in a generation. He criticized both left-wing and some right-wing negativity toward tech, calling himself a 'world-weary optimist.' He praised Kevin Warsh as the next Federal Reserve chair for focusing on quantifying productivity gains. Lonsdale emphasized the dignity of work, noting 7 million unfilled vocational jobs, and blamed paying people not to work for cultural damage. He advocated for smaller government but supported defense investment and using AI to find fraud with agencies like the SBA and USDA. He also stressed the importance of education reform and school choice, arguing that public education now teaches the opposite of Jefferson's vision of training free citizens.

Key takeaways

  1. America destroys about half of all jobs every 90 years, but this destruction historically leads to greater prosperity.
  2. There are currently 7 million unfilled vocational jobs in the U.S., and people willing to work can find jobs.
  3. Kevin Warsh will be the new Federal Reserve chairman and will focus on quantifying productivity growth.
  4. Palantir is helping the SBA and USDA find fraud using AI.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
90 years cycle of destroying half of all jobs in America timeline 9:00
7 million unfilled vocational jobs in the U.S. metric 8:11

Chapters

  1. 0:00Industrial revolutions and job destruction
  2. 1:06Palantir's strong quarterly performance
  3. 2:11Tequila business advice
  4. 2:54Tech positivity and productivity growth
  5. 3:44Kevin Warsh and Federal Reserve
  6. 5:08Envy and mind viruses
  7. 6:58Education system and school choice
  8. 7:57Dignity of work and job availability
  9. 9:49Government role and defense investment

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:24If we didn't destroy those jobs, we would all be a lot poorer, right?
  2. 0:52Palantir guy, HVC guy, University of Austin guy, on financial news shows guy all the time. What else?
  3. 4:20Is that the reason behind it?
  4. 5:08We need to learn about like the mind viruses that are attacking us. Right?
  5. 6:37Like how do you envision the ecosystem around just getting things so that people can see a better future?
  6. 8:11There's another culture of people who can't find work. That's different, right?
  7. 9:00And this, this is a very important point, right?
  8. 9:49So, so what do you think the relationship between the people that want to lean into all of this and the technologists behind it should be with the government right now?
Joseph Lonsdale 0:00 ↗
We have to understand what an industrial revolution is and what productivity growth means. So if you look at America, about every 90 years, maybe even slightly faster, we've destroyed about half the jobs, right? And this is a very important point, right? Because like there's people with last names of Cooper or Smith or Boer. That's a cool one.
Dave Rubin 0:18 ↗
Yeah. Yeah. I got it. I got it. And they did cool things.
Joseph Lonsdale 0:21 ↗
They did cool things. And there, by the way, there was a lot of hard things to do.
Dave Rubin 0:24 ↗
Hard things. There's a lot of dignity in that work. There was a lot of art in that work. I think it's kind of sad that there's not as many of these really cool coopers and boyers around. There's still a people, but there's not the jobs. But you know what? If we didn't destroy those jobs, we would all be a lot poorer, right? You always tell people, if you want everyone to have jobs, we'd ban farm tools and we would not have time, most of us, to be on doing podcasts. We would instead be farming.
All right. Palantir guy, HVC guy, University of Austin guy, on financial news shows guy all the time. What else? Lonsdale. Before we begin, Joe Lale as I pour tequila.
Joseph Lonsdale 1:06 ↗
I'm excited to try your tequila, Dave. Only my coolest friends have tequila. I hear this. This is very good. We also have a policy institute in 20 states, the Cicero Institute. But yes, those, you know, and this week it was very big for Palantir. You saw yesterday we think, you know, I don't know if you saw the net income of the company this quarter. Yeah, is higher than the revenue was a year ago. So it's growing so fast that actually it's like net income, net income was higher than revenue a year ago. It's crushing it.
Dave Rubin 1:29 ↗
Well, in that case at some point I'm not going to start the conversation with this. I am going to ask you once again exactly what Palantir does because you get a lot of different answers and then we can compare, we can compare your answer in this sitdown to when we did this about a year ago in that chair and we'll see if they match up. But first cheers my friend. Welcome back and you I think I can call you a Rubin Report veteran now because you've been, you've been third time maybe.
Joseph Lonsdale 1:50 ↗
At least the third time. Yeah. So, let's see.
Dave Rubin 1:52 ↗
M.
Joseph Lonsdale 1:54 ↗
It's very good. I like it.
Dave Rubin 1:55 ↗
Come on. And once you let that breathe a little bit, like it's, it's just the best you've ever had. And I was on the first time I really talked about the process and everything publicly was on your podcast at your place.
Joseph Lonsdale 2:06 ↗
Can you get this like at the grocery store or something?
Dave Rubin 2:08 ↗
We're, we're at some stores in Florida right now. We're mostly selling online.
Joseph Lonsdale 2:11 ↗
But, but that's a lot you get to buy online. You couldn't use to buy us online a few years ago.
Dave Rubin 2:15 ↗
Well, one of the things maybe I can get some sage wisdom from you. One of the things I'm trying to figure out is do you just go totally new school and direct to consumer online and yeah, you got to wait two or three days, but you're going to get your tequila or do you break into this sort of quasi mafiaun business that's old school and you got to pour a ton of money just to get on the shelf and everything else. And that's, that's what I'm challenged.
Joseph Lonsdale 2:38 ↗
I mean, I'd find some distributors and let them get them to invest alongside you. I make friends, man. It's like I only knew some investors, some who've invested in other things that I've done who I might be sitting with right now.
Dave Rubin 2:47 ↗
You got to figure it out. That's a tough, that's a tough business because you got to like go bar to bar and stuff. I've had a bunch of friends who, but this is really good. So yeah.
Joseph Lonsdale 2:54 ↗
Yeah. Well, we will see. But this is not about tequila. What we're going to talk about today, and talk what I really want to focus with you is some of the positivity around tech in the future because one of the things that I'm seeing in the last, let's say since the beginning of the year has been just sort of a negativity around everything even from people on the right like the left has a certain grievance thing that everyone knows the right used to not have that and there's a weird thing happening right now that I think there's a tech negativity which the left definitely has Bernie's constantly railing against AI and all. But I'm, I would say I'm a world-weary optimist. I watch your videos all the time. You're an optimist. America's question.
Dave Rubin 3:34 ↗
Yeah. So, so can we, let's start with that. What are some of the positive things that we should see right now in the country and in tech and then we'll go from there.
Joseph Lonsdale 3:44 ↗
Yeah. And it does bother me that the right has this weird third worldism that's kind of like coming up on its side too because we know the left is that way but it's like partially encroaching into what should be like the pro liberty positive side. Listen, like what, what is working? Productivity growth is just really getting going. You're seeing it very dramatically in smaller areas that are scaling quickly. So, you know, in my view, you know, Kevin Warsh is going to be the new chairman of the Federal Reserve. I'm very excited about, he's a friend and he's going to spend a lot of the time at the bank trying to quantify these things, which I think is very important for us to quantify is the productivity is finally going way up again, which by the way, that's the only way we all get wealthier is you do more with less, right? Productivity growth and...
Dave Rubin 4:20 ↗
And is that purely tech and AI? Is that the reason behind it?
Joseph Lonsdale 4:23 ↗
The AI, I mean there's lots of other things that are just good in our nation that are working when you deregulate, when, when you...

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Lonsdale, J. (2026, May 11). Why Fearing Ai Could Destroy Your Future | Joe Lonsdale [Interview transcript]. The Rubin Report and Joe Lonsdale. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/900530/

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  title        = {Why Fearing Ai Could Destroy Your Future | Joe Lonsdale},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, The Rubin Report and Joe Lonsdale. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {may},
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