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Stani Kulechov
Founder & CEO, Aave

Stani Kulechov: Aave V4 and the Demand-Side of DeFi (Live) | Future of DeFi

📅 May 11, 2026 Aave Labs 21 MIN 25 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
In this keynote, Stani Kulechov explains why the next phase of DeFi growth depends on real users, not just liquidity. From its ...

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Stani Kulechov, founder and CEO of Aave, discussed the evolution of DeFi and the launch of Aave v4. He noted that Aave has accumulated over $3 trillion in deposits and $1 trillion in loans, and argued that DeFi has solved capital aggregation but needs to build on the consumption side. He explained that Aave v4 uses a modular hub-and-spoke architecture to balance liquidity concentration with risk isolation, allowing credit lines to be allocated from hubs to spokes for various use cases. Kulechov said v4 is live and aims to serve all credit use cases, including tokenized assets, yield-bearing stablecoins, and data from consumer finance. He mentioned Aave Pro, a new interface, and Horizon, an RWA-based market being ported to v4. He also discussed features like a sweeping mechanism for idle liquidity and risk premiums for collateral-based pricing, and said users can migrate voluntarily from v3.

Key takeaways

  1. Aave v4 is live today, using a hub-and-spoke architecture to concentrate liquidity while isolating risk.
  2. Aave has over $3 trillion in cumulative deposits and over $1 trillion in loans.
  3. Aave Pro, a new interface, is launching alongside v4, with Prime and Core markets.
  4. Horizon, Aave's RWA-based market, will be ported to v4 with added flexibility.
  5. v4 allows collateral to exist outside the protocol, such as with qualified custodians, bypassing tokenization.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$3 trillion cumulative deposits on Aave metric 11:35
$1 trillion cumulative loans on Aave metric 0:00

Chapters

  1. 0:00Aave's growth and DeFi scaling
  2. 1:25Capital aggregation and consumption side
  3. 3:04Liquidity concentration vs risk isolation
  4. 3:51Hub-and-spoke architecture in v4
  5. 5:07Credit use cases and audiences
  6. 6:51v4 launch and credit layer vision
  7. 9:12Spoke allocation and flexibility
  8. 10:29Developer integration options
  9. 11:48Migration from v3 and user choice
  10. 12:59Scale through diversification and RWA

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 9:00How is spoke allocation determined within one liquidity bucket, one liquidity point?
  2. 10:11What is the best way for builders, founders, and us to integrate v4 via API into our product?
  3. 11:35Would you incentivize users to migrate to v4?
  4. 12:36So if we ignore US Treasury bills, is there an asset class that you think could actually make Aave v4 grow and offer yield to people on-chain at scale?
  5. 14:44How do you think about the pipeline from TradFi on to on-chain, right?
  6. 16:36What's the feature that gives you FOMO personally of Aave v4?
  7. 19:24Yes, in terms of a credit product, do you see the introduction or reintroduction of fixed-rate borrowing on Aave?
Stani Kulechov 0:00 ↗
It's been a really big year in general. Obviously, not just this year, but the past couple of years as we've been trying to figure out what the next stage for DeFi is and where everything goes from here. We started building in 2017 as an experiment back then as ETHLend, short for Ethereum Lending. I don't know how many of you remember. A few people. Yeah, there are a few OGs here. And now, obviously, Aave has evolved into a big infrastructure in DeFi, the largest protocol on multiple networks with a lot of use cases. We see more integrations into FinTech, like we had with World Treasury, and probably this is something we will see more of in the future. We're looking to go directly to consumers and offer a non-custodial experience that is consumer-friendly with the Aave app. And we're going to review today a bit how we're thinking about scaling DeFi and what the market structure for that is.
Perfect. Yeah, so obviously we've gotten to a point where we have over three trillion in deposits cumulatively and over one trillion in loans. DeFi feels very small and experimental, but actually there's a lot of volume happening, and this is just lending. If you compare trading pairs and all the volume that is happening now in DeFi, it's actually substantial. But of course, it is still a drop in the ocean. I think what we've solved in DeFi really well is particularly the capital aggregation layer. Today, in DeFi, capital goes into where the best financial opportunities are programmatically in most cases. I think we no longer have an issue of liquidity in DeFi. In fact, there is a surplus of liquidity finding different opportunities. So we have an opportunity to actually build more on the consumption side. For lending protocols, obviously, it means more collateral, more borrowing demand for assets, tokenization, or new native assets. All of this needs a new market structure. We need to think beyond how lending protocols are designed today and design them for the future.
So the typical dilemma for DeFi lending is you want to concentrate capital to simply make capital more efficient in whatever opportunities you might have. At the same time, you want to segregate risk and isolate risk, which creates a challenge with fragmentation of liquidity. Obviously, going in these two different directions doesn't work. On one side of the spectrum, you have full isolation and fragmentation of liquidity. On the other side, you have concentration of liquidity and no isolation of risk.
So the solution for us in Aave v4, which we've been solving over the past couple of years, is to figure out the best middle ground. How do we actually ensure that we can tap into existing liquidity pools and take the benefits of the pooled model that DeFi has been very successful with and build upon? And how can we then create from that shared liquidity model a market structure that serves any sort of credit use case? We came up with a modular architecture between hubs and spokes where liquidity is stored in hubs. The spokes are where all the collateralization and borrowing logic happens, and the use cases are. These hubs then allocate credit lines to these spokes, which are individual use cases. This model taps into two important things: liquidity concentration and avoiding the fragmentation of liquidity while being able to isolate risk further.
And why we actually built this. Obviously, we want to have the ability to tap into use cases that are beyond what we know today in DeFi. Something I like about DeFi and what keeps me in the space is that I feel every year or cycle there are new on-chain primitives, but also interesting opportunities coming from tokenization and credit in general. When we started Aave, even back in the ETHLend days, our goal was to solve credit. Not just simply lend against, let's say, Bitcoin and Ethereum and native crypto assets, but actually think about how smart contracts and DeFi could be used to back all kinds of credit opportunities.
I think there are just different audiences in general. There's the DeFi audience, like me and some of you, if not most, that love the way DeFi works today. There are certain improvements that can be made. There are also institutions that are looking to understand how to use DeFi in their own existing products. They need, for example, isolation. Risk management is important. You also have RWAs, which is a whole big category with sub-asset categories and its own peculiar environments. Overall, everything that we build needs to be resilient at the same time.
So what we are actually planning with Aave v4 is to understand how value can be collateralized. The typical way that happens is through tokenization. That is one option. The other very popular option is yield-bearing stablecoins. We also believe that there might be no tokenization as well in the future. We want to tap into those credit use cases with Aave, and v4 is basically here to serve that. What we're looking to do is make a credit layer for all financial use cases in the future. Whether it's against native crypto assets, against tokenization, or simply against data that can be brought from consumer finance businesses, any sort of real-life use case. The idea is to actually use what DeFi does really well—aggregating capital, creating better cost structures for lending, trading, or any other use cases—and at the same time finance a lot of these opportunities. So v4 for us is something that will ambitiously try to achieve and back all the credit use cases in traditional finance. And what is most exciting for us today, and I'm really proud of, is that Aave v4 is live today. Thank you.
Audience Member 9:00 ↗
Thank you very much. My question would be going to one of the first slides. How is spoke allocation determined within one liquidity bucket, one liquidity point?
Stani Kulechov 9:12 ↗
That's a really great question. So there's two things to consider. Liquidity hubs are governed; they have a governance, and that governance and risk assessment determines how credit lines are allocated from the hubs into these spokes. Another thing to realize that is really interesting is that every spoke can be a custom implementation. So when I earlier mentioned that Aave v4 can facilitate a model like lending against ERC20s, it can also facilitate against ERC721s, but also lending against data that might come from an outside blockchain resource, such as, for example, credit data or obligations. It shows how flexible the architecture is to any kind of credit use case.
Audience Member 10:11 ↗
Another question. We have a social decentralized wallet now. What is the best way for builders, founders, and us to integrate v4 via API into our product?
Stani Kulechov 10:29 ↗
Yeah, there are different ways. Obviously, the most classical way is to integrate directly with the smart contracts. Another way is through the Aave Kit, which is the API endpoints that make it easier to integrate with ready-made SDKs. One interesting thing for developers about v4 is that from a community standpoint, we wanted to have a version of Aave where any developer or development team can come and build and expand the protocol. What that means is that because the architecture is modular, we can add different kinds of spokes into the architecture for different kinds of use cases, whether it's lending on-chain or something else. Aave v4 as an architecture might look very different in six to 12 months or two years from now just based on these community and public contributions.
Audience Member 11:35 ↗
Hi, thanks for your presentation. What about the current Aave v3? Would you incentivize users to migrate to v4?
Stani Kulechov 11:48 ↗
Yeah, we've done now three migration strategies, and this is the fourth one. We follow a very similar path as with the previous migrations where the users have always the choice to migrate. There's not going to be forced migration or a push there. Obviously, it will take time. v3 is going to be around for years to come. Technically, v1 and v2 are still around, and that's the beauty of DeFi and blockchains because applications can run forever and then users can actually choose what they want to use. So that can happen pretty organically.
Audience Member 12:36 ↗
So if we ignore US Treasury bills, is there an asset class that you think could actually make Aave v4 grow and offer yield to people on-chain at scale? Like something that's really scalable and could be tokenized and brought on-chain and actually sustain growth for the protocol without the US debt.
Stani Kulechov 12:59 ↗
Yeah, I know no one likes US debt, right? But yeah, I think the scale comes from actually diversification of different assets. One thing that the new architecture will help is that because of the hub-and-spoke model, you can have multiple hubs. On the launch of Aave v4, we also launched Aave Pro, which is the new interface for Aave. I think there are a few developers there actually launching it and testing it out, so no sweat. It's going to be live in a few minutes. But I truly think that the initial configuration is that there is Prime, which is a lower-risk market, and then there is Core, which is risk-adjusted and plus for risk return. Over time, there can be more hubs for particular types of collaterals. Aave already has an RWA-based market, Horizon, which is also going to be ported to v4 with additional flexibility because you can add and move different asset classes to separate spokes. I think that's actually the future of scale: to have a diversified set of hubs and spokes and collaterals that create that scale for yield and scale for these borrowing opportunities. But I don't count any scale until we actually hit mainstream credit use cases and can produce credit to millions of people. That's the sort of scale we're going towards with Aave v4.

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Kulechov, S. (2026, May 11). Stani Kulechov: Aave V4 and the Demand-Side of DeFi (Live) | Future of DeFi [Interview transcript]. Aave Labs. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/901255/

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Stani Kulechov. "Stani Kulechov: Aave V4 and the Demand-Side of DeFi (Live) | Future of DeFi." Aave Labs, 11 May. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/901255/.

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  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Aave Labs. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {may},
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