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Neel Kashkari
President, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

Minneapolis Fed President Kashkari: Expect inflation to continue to come down this year

📅 Feb 07, 2025 CNBC Television 9 MIN 22482 VIEWS 26 SEGMENTS · 4 SPEAKERS
CNBC’s Steve Liesman and Minneapolis Fed President Neel Kashkari joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the Fed's inflation fight, state of the economy, inflation outlook, strength of the labor market, rate path outlook, and more. For access to live and exclusive video from CNBC subscribe to CNBC PRO: https://cnb.cx/42d859g » Subscribe to CNBC TV: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBCtelevision » Subscribe to CNBC: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBC Turn to CNBC TV for the latest stock market news and analysis. From market futures to live price updates CNBC is the leader in business news worldwide. Connect with CN...

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  1. 0:15How worrisome is it to you as a policymaker?
  2. 2:22How do you make sense of all this?
  3. 4:01What were you thinking over the weekend about the impact of potential tariffs?
  4. 5:03Or is it watching the headlines and kind of seeing how it all plays out?
  5. 5:52So can you cut Neil, if you get that inflation down where it needs to be, even with the uncertainty over policy?
  6. 6:46Why are you holding your powder now with Trump about to do a bunch of fiscal policies but didn't really seem to react to when Biden passed these massive spending bills?
  7. 7:50We're still up 30% in prices, are we not 22?
  8. 8:51Do you think you end up the year lower than where you started?
Andrew Ross Sorkin 0:00 ↗
with us. And he's going to be welcoming a very special guest.
Steve Liesman 0:04 ↗
Thank you Andrew. We are pleased to be welcomed this morning by Neel Kashkari, Minneapolis Federal Reserve president, a longtime friend of Squawk Box. Neil, thanks for being here.
Neel Kashkari 0:13 ↗
Thanks, Steve, for having me.
Steve Liesman 0:15 ↗
Great. Listen, normally I'd ask you right away about the jobs report, but we were just having a conversation about the gap between what the Fed has been doing in terms of lowering interest rates and the behavior of the ten year. And I'm wondering, as a Federal Reserve policymaker, a guy used to work at Goldman, used to save the country working at Treasury or help save the country during the great financial crisis. What do you make of the behavior of the ten year? How worrisome is it to you as a policymaker? Of course, now it's eased back a bit from where it's been.
Neel Kashkari 0:48 ↗
You know, it's not worrisome, but it's important to try to understand what's driving it. So I spend and my colleagues spend a lot of time trying to dig into the details to understand the moves. As you know, since we started cutting rates in September, the ten year didn't go down. It went up. Right now it's up about 80 or 83 basis points relative to where it was when we started our cutting cycle, which is counterintuitive. When I dig into the data, around 40% of that move is in inflation compensation, which ultimately we control. You might interpret that to say markets saw a more dovish than expected Fed and then boosted inflation compensation a little bit. I'm not worried about that. We will get inflation down to 2%. We're committed to that. The balance, the other 60% of it is really about real rates. And what's driving long real rates? There are a couple explanations that I'm focused on. One is I think there's great uncertainty about where the neutral rate is. And the longer the economy continues to exceed expectations on growth and resilience, I think people and markets are taking signal that the neutral rate may be higher. And then you've got the residual or what we call the term premium. That a lot of things go into that. One possibility is fiscal deficits. Larger deficits, all else equal, would tend to tick up the term premium. And so where does this all shake out? We're going to get inflation back down. But then ultimately what the executive branch and Congress do on the fiscal side, and ultimately what our growth trajectory is, are we in a period of higher productivity and higher investment that would tend to push up long rates? And so how that nets out, we're just going to have to wait and see. But we're going to get inflation down.
Steve Liesman 2:22 ↗
Neil, I want to come back to the 35 questions I have over what you just said in a second. But people right now at this moment are trying to make sense of some enormous numbers that were just laid on them, 300,000 plus in December. Revision up 149 a touch below, but right around consensus for the January numbers. Huge revisions on the household side, big down revisions on the establishment side. How do you make sense of all this? Tell us where you think the job market is right now. Since you have a mandate for low unemployment.
Neel Kashkari 2:57 ↗
Yeah, I think of all the data that we just looked at that you just mentioned, and I have to go through the details, I think the most important one is 4.0% unemployment rate. This is still a good labor market. It's not as hot as it was a year or two ago. And I validate this data by talking to businesses all around the region and around the country. And overall, the feedback that I'm getting is the economy is strong, businesses are optimistic. It's a cooler labor market than a year ago, but they're still having to work to find the workers that they need. And so I think the economy is in a good place. We want to keep it there while getting inflation all the way back down to our target.
Steve Liesman 3:33 ↗
You know, it's interesting you say what you said because a wise person told me once that you can look at all the data you want on employment, and maybe the one thing you really need is the unemployment rate. And that tells you exactly what's going on. So that really dovetails nicely with that. And Neil before that, Betsy, Betsy, Becky I'm doing it again. I'm sorry.
Becky Quick 3:53 ↗
We had a Betsy. Wow.
Steve Liesman 3:55 ↗
I'm sorry.
Becky Quick 3:55 ↗
I heard about this. I heard about it.
Steve Liesman 3:57 ↗
I heard about that. I wasn't... never mind, never mind.
Becky Quick 4:01 ↗
Before... oh I want to hear about... but he also has a producer named Betsy. And I was emailing her at the time. Not now. I gave myself up. Jinxed. Okay, Becky, Joe and Andrew, real quick. We had a weekend full of drama. Neil when it came to tariffs, how did you spend? What were you thinking over the weekend about the impact of potential tariffs? They're delayed now for 30 days. How does that affect your thinking about where policy can and should be.

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Kashkari, N. (2025, February 7). Minneapolis Fed President Kashkari: Expect inflation to continue to come down this year [Interview transcript]. CNBC Television. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/923295/

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Neel Kashkari. "Minneapolis Fed President Kashkari: Expect inflation to continue to come down this year." CNBC Television, 7 Feb. 2025. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/923295/.

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