AI pioneer Yoshua Bengio — Professor at Université de Montréal, President of LawZero, and Founder of Mila — sits down with Anne McElvoy (Executive Editor, POLITICO) to discuss how democracies can work together to govern advanced AI and ensure it serves human flourishing rather than concentrated power, at the Copenhagen Democracy Summit 2026.
Speakers:
— Yoshua Bengio, Professor, Université de Montréal; President, LawZero; Founder, Mila
— Moderator: Anne McElvoy, Executive Editor, POLITICO
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What Yoshua Bengio said
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Yoshua Bengio argued that AI's power concentration is a real threat to democracy and human agency, and that current trends will lead to a world where decisions are made by a few companies and two countries. He stressed the need for global coordination, comparing it to climate change, and predicted that weaponization of AI will force governments to cooperate on safety evaluations. He dismissed concerns about trading efficiency for ethics, saying regulation is essential but only effective with international collaboration. Bengio called for public awareness to pressure governments, and advocated for democratic innovations like citizen assemblies, while warning that market forces alone will lead to harmful outcomes like addiction and manipulation. He urged governments to wake up and form coalitions, quoting Canadian PM Mark Carney: 'If you're not at the table, you are on the menu.' He emphasized starting small, not waiting for 193 countries, because AI is moving fast.
Key takeaways
AI power is concentrated in two countries and about 10 companies, threatening democracy and human agency.
Governments should form coalitions to develop ethical AI, as individual nations like Canada cannot act alone.
Democratic processes like citizen assemblies should guide AI applications, not just a handful of CEOs.
0:14Would you reflect on what you heard in the previous conversation? What do you think?
3:50Is that something that worries you that you might trade a degree of kind of efficiency and progress in AI for trying to do things in a different way?
7:21I guess the question that was being asked there was is too much power invested in these people? Would you say yes?
7:59So do you sort of leave them to do their thing or do you still think that there are things, as I'm really winding you up, stricts that you would apply and how would you go about it?
10:42Do you see benefit here where AI could you know could be on the positive side of the scale and if so where would that be?
12:56And do you think that governments are equipped at the moment for this challenge?
13:04They should wake up right so you go around I'm sure you go around Europe to different capitals, I visited 12 capitals in the last six months, right?
Yeah, that was the water break. That one's for you. No expense was spared, but fresh water. Thank you very much. We are actually going to continue our conversation now on multinational collaboration in the context of advanced AI. So I think this builds quite nicely. I suppose you must introduce my guest Yoshua Bengio, professor at the University of Montreal and president of Mila, founder of Mila. One of the things, just your name came up in our last conversation. And I don't know if you heard your name check, was we asked some quite rudimentary questions there about what we needed to do to sort of think where we want to go with AI. How do we avoid making some of the errors that we perhaps made in the early years of the digital and technology and social media boom. Listening to that conversation and you know with your roles people sometimes refer to you as a godfather of AI which sounds like you could end up getting the blame for quite a lot if it goes wrong. Would you reflect on what you heard in the previous conversation? What do you think?
We generally underestimate the changes that are likely to come with AI. We generally underestimate the power that AI will have and will give to those who control it. And democracy is about sharing power. But if you have these systems eventually could be even smarter than us in many ways that concentrate huge amounts of power, right? Because we kind of dominate this planet because we are smarter than animals, right? But if we build machines that have much more intelligence than we do, at least in some areas, that's going to change the game completely. And it's a real threat, this concentrated power, the fact that it is very very expensive to build, that it takes particular resources that you know are not easy for anybody to get. The fact that it's currently driven by two countries and maybe you know 10 companies in the world. This I think is something we should be careful about. If we let things go with the current trend, there's a good chance we end in a world where we won't have much agency, like maybe we'll have democracy in our countries but all the power will be somewhere else. The decisions will be taken somewhere else. And you know I think the mistake would be to think that this is it, that you know we're done or let's hope for the best when we still have agency right now. It's not too late. As Tom was saying, we have time to build an alternative to the current leading models where the power over these AIs will be shared, will be multi-, will be really driven by the public good and public governance.
What are the steps that you need then to get there that mean you are able to capture the economic freedoms that AI can offer you, the remarkable kind of upskilling, the taking away of kind of drudge work but also the kind of imaginative potential of AI, you know not to come off here as a complete luddite about it but that at the same time would mean that you just don't end up with a kind of multilateral, I always call it a stew. You know, lots of ingredients were put in with good intentions and at the end it was like well actually you have disagreements and in the end countries, I think when you mentioned two countries you probably meant US and China, but then you know strolling on by and moving on then delivering at the higher level. Is that something that worries you that you might trade a degree of kind of efficiency and progress in AI for trying to do things in a different way?
I'm not worried about it. By definition, you know, ethics is about dealing with values that are in tension. And yes, we want progress but we also don't want to lose human dignity. We don't want to lose our agency in choosing our future. We don't want incredible economic disparities to grow even more. And in order for us to be able to make the choices that we really want collectively, we need to have those tools in our hands. So we do need to build alternative infrastructure. So regulation is extremely important because that's a way to make sure companies will not go in places where we don't want. But we live in a world where for example if European companies were not allowed to implement AI in many different ways that say their competitors in the US are, then the European economies would not be competitive against the Americans or the Chinese. So, we're stuck in this global game. Ultimately, the only way that we'll be able to make sure AI goes in the direction that is good for humans is with global coordination. Now, I know it sounds like utopian, but it's like climate, right? So, if it's only the competition between countries, we can't solve these problems. The only way we can bring about a future that's good is if we have international coordination and that's true in particular for AI. I anticipate that because of the weaponization of AI that is now more and more possible, for example with models and the models that will follow, for national security reasons, we're going to start seeing governments, you know, forced to agree with each other about the sort of thing that needs to be done like evaluating how powerful they are and can they be used by terrorists, for example. So there will be coordination but I think it is also important that you know it's not just two countries deciding for the future of this technology and how it's going to drive the world.
And how does that relate then to the sort of world of the AI gods that we're in at the moment? There's a front cover of The Economist recently that literally depicted Altman, Musk, etc. as gods, you know had a slightly Oswald Spengler, you know end of days feeling to it but with these characters who are so powerful. I guess the question that was being asked there was is too much power invested in these people? Would you say yes? But do you see anything in the model you see us...
And you could have a model as you say that might develop in a way that is able to balance that out but no political regulatory process so far and either end of the governance in the US whether it's Democrat or Republican or Trump, something a little different, have actually really made much material difference. So do you sort of leave them to do their thing or do you still think that there are things, as I'm really winding you up, stricts that you would apply and how would you go about it?
I mean Elon Musk tell me how you can take away my power. So I think the most important ingredient to try to deal with these questions that seem intractable is public awareness. Once people understand that the future of their children can be taken away from them, they will demand that their governments do something. And individual governments say in Europe probably can't do much or my government in Canada can't do much. But together we can work with democrats around the world to make sure that the power of AI is going to be managed properly, the risks are going to be managed so that we think more of it as a global public good, right? Something that we have to manage collectively because let me give you an example. If it's just the market forces, we're going in very very bad places. AI is getting better and better at pressing on our psychological buttons and getting us in a way addicted to positive feedback that we're getting. And eventually this is a way to manipulate us as well. This is a way to remove some of our social life and it's something that is profitable and so just left to their own devices the companies will want to do it like they want to sell stuff and people will buy it even though it's bad for them just like cigarettes right. It is because governments got into dealing with the issue of tobacco that we ended up, you know, we're now in a better place and it's not just going to happen by the forces of competition and markets.
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Bengio, Y. (2026, May 15). Multinational Collaboration and Advanced AI — Yoshua Bengio | CDS 2026 [Interview transcript]. Alliance Of Democracies. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/931009/
MLA
Yoshua Bengio. "Multinational Collaboration and Advanced AI — Yoshua Bengio | CDS 2026." Alliance Of Democracies, 15 May. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/931009/.
BibTeX
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