Mike Novogratz8:28
There is going to be a revolution of sorts, right? You don't know how it's going to show up. With pitchforks or at the voting booth, or can people get ahead with tax? The problem we have with our tax code is Jeff is right. 3% of the taxes come from that bottom 50% and so it would be nice to give her that extra money. But he also said, 'Hey, changing my tax rate won't do much.' If you look at the actual tax rates people pay, not just income tax, but throw in payroll tax and social security tax, we don't really have a progressive tax structure. We used to, right? The middle class pays as much if not more tax than the wealthy class because of the way income is calculated, right? Capital gains versus income. And so we really do need tax reform. And Bezos is smart because he's saying, 'Hey, I see the pitchforks coming and therefore let me give some ideas that will help.' And that idea would help and I give him credit for saying that, but it's going to have to go a lot deeper than that to make the tax code be perceived to be fair and to actually be fair. Why should capital gains be so much of a lower tax rate than income? We're saying the guy who's just investing his money in Chevron, that's worth more than the guy who's toiling in the factory or toiling at the investment bank. Trump, I don't know if he meant to be smart, but he was smart in some ways. If you had just been honest about what tariffs were, you say, 'Hey, we're going to institute tariffs which are really a consumption tax and consumption taxes are regressive by definition but they're taxes that people don't feel is a tax on them, right? It's just a tax on the system that was raising so much revenue because it was a tax on everything imported, right? We import a lot of stuff from America.' Well, listen, it was an international VAT is what it really was, right? I mean, if you bought something overseas, yes, you got hit with it. So, even if you were in the black market economy, avoiding income taxes, you got hit with this consumption tax. So, what we're going to have to do as a government, I keep thinking about this, if it's going to be the energy tax or you've got to have taxes that collect enough revenue to actually have our place function and not just keep having the debt grow asymptotically. That in some ways are hidden, that in some ways don't feel like it's a direct assault on the wealthy or on the aspirational wealthy. Right? I mean, most Americans, that famous adage about most Americans look up the hill and saying, 'I want a house on the hill one day, not let's go burn that house down.' Exactly. And so, but it's challenging because there have been so many loopholes and so many ways that have benefited the top end of society that our actual tax rates are not near. You people bitching all the time, 'I'm moving out of New York.' When you look at people's average tax rates, and I can show mine on the freaking TV, they're actually not nearly as high as the W2 earner who makes a lot of money. And that's just because of capital gains and dividends. And I'm with, I just like the fact that we're now speaking about it more openly and hopefully we'll come up with some constructive solutions.
We're into the bullish and bearish segment. Okay. So, I'm going to read something. You're going to say bullish or bearish? Okay, you ready? Bitcoin reclaims 85,000 before the end of June. That would be wildly bullish. Okay. Do you think that will happen? Oh, I see. Aspirational. Yes. I think that's right around where clarity should be decided. I think I would, if you move that to the middle of July, I'd be bullish. All right. So, you think by the middle of July 85k is not unreasonable? Elon Musk successfully builds mega AI data centers in space. Bullish or bearish? I think bullish, the timeline is probably going to be a lot further than people expect. Anthropic valuation exceeds 5 trillion by 2030. Bullish. Right now Anthropic looks to be the winner, maybe the greatest monopoly in history if they actually keep, you know, get whoever gets this next leg up and gets the recursive. The question is, is that going to be a monopoly or will everyone else do it, too? I haven't figured that out yet. So, let's say the Anthropic guys are the first to get to recursive AI. Does that just mean, you know, you broke the four-minute mile, then I broke the four-minute mile. And so, yeah, it just seems like there's a gusher of money coming into this thing. So, we'll see if that's sustainable. All right, this is a big one, Michael. Will the US create a strategic Bitcoin reserve before 2028? Unfortunately, we have one. Will the US, let's rephrase the question, will the US use taxpayer dollars to buy Bitcoin? I think the answer is categorically no. Um, okay. Will they find a way that as well? Well, they find a way to do something symbolically. Yeah. 50/50. Yeah. They seize some Bitcoin from the Iranians and they put it in the reserve. That will happen. But is, do you sell gold to buy Bitcoin, which would be legal? I don't see that happening yet.