James Litinsky17:55
Sure. Well, thanks, George. And yeah, I mean, as you said, there's a lot out there. I think capital formation is generally helpful. You know, we want to see more in this supply chain. So it's good to see a lot of projects out there. Obviously, with respect to heavies, for example, it's great to see capital formation on that because, you know, from a heavy standpoint, we are focused on a pretty diversified feedstock supply chain. You know, we're not necessarily as interested in upstream project ownership. So, we want to see a lot of capital formation out there. We think that having our existing refinery is really a significant advantage, at least for the foreseeable future, you know, five-plus years, because any of the projects that we see around the world, you know, ultimately if it's non-Chinese supply chain, it's ultimately going to come into or very likely come into our refinery. And so we don't necessarily need to be involved in those projects to grow our business, but we can certainly benefit from them. And what I would say, I mean, I think what, I guess, you know, these projects are really hard, having done this for a decade now. I think that there's a tendency out there to look at projects and say, you know, P times Q equals this, and so that's the cash flow of the project. And you know, the reality is that these typically take a long time to bring online. They're very often more expensive than you think. It takes several years to ramp. You know, you don't just build a facility and turn it on. And you know, often when you look at sort of the potential of a deposit versus what the reality is once you get through the processing challenges, even if it's all the way upstream just to get recoveries, you know, what you typically find is sort of what your theoretical opportunity is not necessarily what the resulting opportunity is. And so I think that's a long-winded way of saying that, you know, we really take a careful view about where we're going to commit capital. Because, you know, I jokingly, you may have heard me say this before, George, but you know, there's that famous Bezos expression, 'your margin is my opportunity.' You know, we view it as, I look around and I say, 'your investment is our opportunity,' sort of the Litinsky corollary to that statement for MP, which is just, you know, we want to see a lot out there. We're a little skeptical that people will be able to bring online, you know, projects as quickly and get pricing that they think, and you know, all of those things that go into when sort of the fantasy story becomes a reality. But we do think that ultimately it is good for the supply chain. It's great to see governments around the world excited. It's great to see capital formation, and you know, I think ultimately it's going to be really beneficial to us because we have the great position of, you know, we control our fate here from the standpoint of we continue to execute, our cash flows are contracted. You know, if you look at GM, Apple, the Department of Defense, and the growth of our business through 10X, having all of that business contracted, knowing that we have from a financial standpoint, we're completely protected. And then lastly, and you know, sorry for the long-winded answer, but it's such an excellent question just given everything we see out there, but I do want to reiterate, George, the comments I made in the prepared remarks about NdPr oxide being the binding constraint. I really would, you know, not to pitch a competitor, but I would recommend people look at the Adamas Intelligence research. And if you look at the next, call it 18 months to two years, we see call it roughly 60,000 tons of magnet capacity in the non-China, you know, sort of the non-China world growing to something like north of 100,000 tons. And if you look at the only real, you know, scaled material out there is MP and Lynas. And Lynas has spoken for with Japan. Obviously, we're going to be able to feed our magnet facility. And so, you know, I see all of these magnet businesses out there, and I'm just wondering where the feedstock's going to come from. And so, I again, I think it positions us really well. You know, I want to be realistic. I don't want to discourage a lot of investment around the space. But I do think it's going to set up some amazing opportunities for us.