CEOInterviews.AIARIEL COHEN ALLORO: É ASSUSTADOR O QUE ESSE JUDEU FALA SOBRE YESHUA

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Host0:03

Shalom. Welcome once again to our channel. Today for another incredible broadcast, where we will have the participation of incredible people, as we have always done here on our channel, on our platform. An interesting chat, scripture, Hebrew Bible, New Testament, from a Jewish perspective, interpreted exclusively by a Jew. Today we are here with the participation of Professor Ariel Correnha Louro. This week he was already on the platform of Messianic Rabbi Yosef Baru and today he will be here with us for an incredible chat. And we will not miss the opportunity, brothers. We will not miss the opportunity. We will have interesting questions here. That's why I invite you, leave your like there, put your finger there, the like there, make your comment and share this live. We need your support on the channel. So we will have, for this chat, this broadcast, we will have the support of our friend and brother Moré Pavan, who is practically a partner here on the channel. When he is not translating, he is studying here with us. Welcome once again, my friend.

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Moré Pavan1:26

Thank you very much. Today was a tense day, right? Sometimes before recording there are several preparations, several things we have to do. The rush is too much, right? But the Eternal has blessed, the Eternal has helped us, right? And our special guest, more than special, today we have here Professor Ariel Correnha Louro.

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Host1:57

Not professor, that the Eternal bless his life, right? Be very welcome. Gratitude for your life. Gratitude for participating with us here, brightening us with your presence and with all the knowledge that will certainly be transmitted here on the channel today.

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Moré Pavan2:20

So he is thanking you for your participation here. God bless your life and thankful for all the knowledge. Thank you. Thankful for your time for you to be here with us. It is a great pleasure to have you here with us.

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Ariel Cohen2:37

Thank you. Thank you.

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Moré Pavan2:43

Honor and pleasure.

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Host2:47

So he is saying that it is an honor and a pleasure for him too. So folks, I know you have great expectations. I don't know if Professor Ariel Correnha Louro, I will call him Ariel here on the platform. I don't know if Professor Ariel has extension, has knowledge, but much of the material he produces, whether in articles or in videos, has been repercussed here in Brazil.

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Moré Pavan3:27

You can speak, you can translate.

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Host3:45

He is happy and grateful for that. Just yesterday we participated in a live here where one of the guests used precisely the knowledge and made reference to his material, right, related to Gematria and the code related to Yeshua. But one of the issues that repercussed a lot here in Brazil and that caught the attention not only of the Messianic public, but of the Christian public, was one of the debates he had with the Orthodox rabbi here in Brazil. Right now here in the chat, right, we have a person... OK, right now here in the chat. Look, he is saying that people are not seeing him on YouTube. It's out of focus. It may be that he is very close to the camera. OK. It's appearing, it's appearing. That's it.

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Ariel Cohen6:22

Orthodox rabbi. Viral. Yes. So people of the Brazilian Orthodox rabbi.

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Host6:43

He knew that many watched it and it didn't have more repercussion because the debate was in Hebrew. If it were in English, the thing would have spread even more. So, someone has to take care to translate into Portuguese, right? Yes, yes. And one of the things that caught the attention of a large part of the public, especially the Messianic public, was the fact of him speaking about the importance of understanding the New Testament from a Jewish perspective and the methods of interpretation he applied to the text.

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Moré Pavan7:42

So one thing really caught the attention here, especially from the Messianic point of view, it was understanding the necessity of reading the New Testament from a Jewish perspective. That was a very strong point.

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Ariel Cohen8:02

Yeah, I really, I get to Jesus not for the New Testament only. After I understood that it is from the Jewish Old Testament learning, when I realized it, I started to learn the New Testament and to see what really, if it got together with what I find in my roots.

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Host8:41

So, look how interesting, before he discovered that Yeshua was the Messiah, through the Old Testament, right, the Tanakh and Gematria. Then after he understood that Yeshua was the Messiah, then he went to read the New Testament. Ah, so, before we start, right, and he has the space he needs to be able to talk about this, I want him to know that both Messianics in Brazil and the evangelical Christian people who are adept at this view of the scriptures and already know him, have been praying for his life. He has been a great light for us.

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Moré Pavan9:30

Need people enjoy people.

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Ariel Cohen9:50

Thank you. Thanks to God.

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Host9:53

I will during our chat refer, I saw in a live that you said you were not a rabbi, although we have you as a rabbi, but I will refer to you, then, as professor. And before we necessarily start the chat, I would like you to summarize in one minute who is Professor Ariel Correnha Louro, so that our audience understands a little bit about your person.

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Ariel Cohen10:28

Ariel. Teacher, professor. Professor, professor, professor. OK.

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Host10:50

So, he is saying to call him Ariel. He is saying he is not a professor, not a doctor, he is asking to call him Ariel. Ah, so what else, T? You see then, brothers, the great humility of Professor Ariel, right, Correnha Louro. He doesn't insist on being called professor or rabbi, so it's a learning here, right, for our lives, right? So he could speak in one minute, like one or two minutes at most, about who is Professor Ariel Correnha Louro, his trajectory, if he still has some kind of, what is his relationship after this discovery with the Orthodox Jewish community.

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Moré Pavan11:33

So take one minute or two just to talk about yourself, talk about your walk through all this, and also how your relationship with the Orthodox community was shaken after you became a believer in Yeshua. So take one or two minutes just to give us like a wrap up about this, please.

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Ariel Cohen11:55

Sure. How I got to understand that Jesus is first understood of.

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Host12:13

So, first of all, how he understood, he came to understand what is Yeshua, that is what he is going to explain now about the Messiah, that is what he is going to explain now. Correct? So he says there is a secret about the Messiah that is a secret that applies to all religions, because the Messiah is the Messiah of the whole world, of everyone, of everyone.

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Ariel Cohen13:08

Ariel, what you doing? A musician asked me what kind of music you do. I told him that I do symmetrical music, music that the same song forward and backwards. You can reverse. If you reverse.

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Host13:40

When he met his rabbi, the rabbi asked: 'What is your name? What do you do?' He said: 'Look, I am a musician and I play symmetrical music.' Symmetrical music playing forward or playing backward, it is the same sound. That's why it's called symmetrical music.

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Ariel Cohen14:02

I have, by the way, I have a website of my music in YouTube and all the music. Somebody interested to hear, you can hear it. You can hear the same song, each song contains reverse, all the song like this, right? So by the way, what is the secret really of, have to do the secret of like, when I told him that I do symmetrical music, the word for symmetric in Hebrew, in English is grace.

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Host14:49

He is saying that he has a site, he has a platform on YouTube where his music can be heard for those interested. The reverse music, backward, forward, is the same thing. So, when he talked to his rabbi for the first time and he said that the term for reverse music is 'hen' and 'ren' in Hebrew means grace.

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Ariel Cohen15:33

Was 58 of this was the highest of the aleph. He teach me many about and for years I learned from him of different about this and.

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Host16:01

So, his rabbi spoke a lot about this word 'hen', all the teachings about it, about the Gematria. So he said: 'Well, this is something very important, it is a very important secret about the Messiah.'

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Ariel Cohen16:24

Of the of grace, of, and find.

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Host16:44

Ah, ok. So it's like this, in the parashah Noah, right, of Noah, he ends the parashah there in Genesis 6 saying that Noah, sorry, Noah found grace, 'hen', in the eyes of God. And Noah and 'hen', they have the same letters, right? One is forward and the other is backward.

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Ariel Cohen17:10

Of creation, the end of Genesis is the grace in the eyes of God and like to be able to reverse any, any, what is axiom? It's like the goal of all creation, the rectification of all world, all body, all vessel is to contain, to opposite, to be able to be opposite of.

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Host17:44

So he is saying that at the end of parashat Noah, we have Noah found grace in the eyes of God and he says that this is a great secret. Read in one sense, read in another sense, right? Backward. Noah and 'hen' are the same things. He said that this is a great secret.

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Ariel Cohen18:12

So, so when I say the ark of Noah, in Hebrew 'tevah' it's a word, it's mean a word, it's not only ark. So in Hebrew when I say the ark of Noah, it's like I will say the world of Noah. And the word of Noah is so when God said to go to the ark, it's like will say go inside the world. We have to go inside the world because this world contain the infinite because the paradox can contain the infinite.

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Host18:57

OK. So, and just to make a correction here, right? And Noah found grace 'hen' in the eyes of God. It is at the end of parashat Bereshit, a little before parashat Noah, right? In Genesis 6. And he is saying that when Noah received the command to enter the ark, it is as if he were entering his world. The ark is the world. At that moment it was the world for Noah, as if it were that infinite world for him. The moment he entered the ark, he was entering that infinite world.

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Ariel Cohen19:37

Equ 86. This is the goal of all creation is to go inside the ark of Noah. And this is by the way one of the secret of the rapture because when Jesus talk about the, before he talk about the rapture, the people that will disappear, he says that the second coming will be like the days of Noah.

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Host20:06

Ah, OK. So, Ariel is saying that, at the moment Noah received the order to enter the ark, that is also a great secret for the rapture, for the second coming of Yeshua, because when Yeshua announced his second coming, he said: 'These days will be as the days of Noah.' Ariel, what you say about 800 something? You said about 800 something at the very beginning.

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Ariel Cohen20:36

I say that the goal of all creation is ark of Noah because the of the ark of Noah is what is goal, what is 860. I say not only this is signature of all the creation that it's like the possibility to reverse any axiom.

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Host21:14

What he is saying about the Gematria is that the ark of Noah is the goal, is the objective of creation. 860. He says that this creation, the objective of creation is to be able to reverse, as we did with Noah and 'hen'. So, that is what, so he is saying that the ark represents the objective, the goal of creation. So he is saying that symmetry is a paradox, right? Men and women entered two by two into the ark of Noah. So symmetry, according to him, is a great secret of our interpretation of humanity. So he is saying that symmetry is a balance, is an equality, is a balance. That is fundamental.

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Ariel Cohen22:44

Give me close, please. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So we didn't get to Jesus, but after I realized that secret of grace, I start, I decided to write all this knowledge, to write a book about this. Even I am a musician, I am not a writer, and I wrote, I wrote introduction to my.

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Host23:38

So, when he discovered this secret about the Messiah, he decided to write a book. Despite not being a writer, being a musician, he decided to write a book and he is going to talk now about the introduction of the book. Ariel, yes, feel free. OK.

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Ariel Cohen23:56

42 years ago, introduction, book, on three concepts. The first concept is a hero of the story. Second concept of the story, concept.

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Host24:46

Oh, he is the hero of the story, he is the secret of the story, and the, right? It is a central concept here. Central concept.

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Ariel Cohen25:10

58. So, when he put the three letters of 'Mashiach' and 'hen', of 'hen', he put, he got three letters. Im. Equ 58 is acronym of. So this connect my learning to Jesus because all the Jewish when you mention his name say his name is, it mean his name will.

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Host26:14

What happens is the following, look how interesting, folks, the 'Im', right, which comes from the first three letters of 'Mashiach' and has a Gematria of 58. And the same, and this also appears in the way it is referred to Yeshua. So, when he sees it written 'Im', the two letters of, so even when he doesn't want to see it, he sees it because they are his letters within it. The first, the first four letters of 'Im' is 'Im', 'Im'.

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Ariel Cohen27:30

Concept automatically, right? I write about something and then I realize that I write about the Trinity. I write about something and then I realize that I write about the cross. I write about something else and then I realize that I write about the body and the blood of Messiah, etc. So Christianity grew up like from the earth, from what I was about according to the Old Testament.

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Host28:15

OK. OK. So, all this that he wrote brought Christian concepts. He had never studied the New Testament, but these concepts led him to understand the Messiah, the Trinity, the characteristics of the Messiah, as explained by Christianity. But he arrived at this through Gematria. Ask him to hold on a little bit just for me to make a comment here for the public, right? Well, folks, you see here that the level of interpretation of Professor Ariel is a very high level. He did not arrive at the conclusion that Yeshua is the Messiah, as many traditional Jews arrive by reading the New Testament, seeing passages that are associated with prophetic passages, such as for example Isaiah 53, where we had reports here of people who read Isaiah 53 within this perspective and then had the scales removed. He arrived at these conclusions reading the Hebrew Bible, using these methods of interpretation which is the Pardes, right, where you have inserted there several tools of interpretation, especially at the hidden level, the Sod level. And then he goes to the New Testament. When he goes to the New Testament, he then writes an introduction, right? You notice right away in the introduction that the introduction is something profound. He is going to use precisely Gematria techniques. What I want to say with this? We need to be very attentive here to what he is going to say, because if you miss a point, you don't understand the live, you won't understand what he is saying. So here it is not milk, right, that is being transmitted, it is solid food of the word of the Eternal. Feel free again, OK?

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Ariel Cohen30:21

So this is secret of, and we can compare to the Baal Shem Tov, is the founder of Hasidism.

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Host30:41

So we can compare this secret of the Messiah, secret of the Messiah revealed to the founder of Hasidism.

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Ariel Cohen31:05

Told him what happened to him, that he left his body, he arrived to the nest, to the nest of the bird, the Messiah, and will.

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Host31:25

OK, so the Baal Shem Tov had an experience, he wrote this, he had an experience where he left his body, went to an elevated region, met the Messiah. And he asked the Messiah, when will you come, Ariel?

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Ariel Cohen31:50

In will come when spring will spread out. The spring will spread out. OK.

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Host32:18

So the Messiah's answer to the Baal Shem Tov was a verse in the book of Proverbs, he said: 'When your teaching spreads out, I will come.' Ah, so the Baal Shem Tov was sad because he said: 'Wait, it will take several generations for my teachings to spread throughout the world.' But then the Messiah said to him the following, Ariel.

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Ariel Cohen33:23

So he taught him, but then the Messiah said to him a secret. The Messiah said: 'Look, I will reveal three words to you. With these three words you bring the Messiah, but you do not have permission in your life to say these three words.' I will.

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Host34:10

OK. So, if we take the Messiah's answer to the Baal Shem Tov, we will also have these three letters, right? We have the letters of 'Mashiach', we have the letters of 'hen', and we have the letter of 'Yeshua'. These three.

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Ariel Cohen34:25

Permission, paradox, and people was not in the world to understand paradox. The serpent is the snake. Snake and snake is, etc.

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Host35:04

So, for example, he is saying that the Baal Shem Tov did not have permission to say this because people are not prepared to understand the paradox of the Messiah. So, for example, the serpent, right? The serpent is a liar. How can the serpent be compared to the Messiah, Ariel? Right? But he, but he taught one thing that is a secret for us to understand this paradox. It is like a preparation to understand this paradox.

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Ariel Cohen35:52

Teach him, told him everything, every concept you learn about, you meditate about, you have to understand it in three levels of different level of understanding, parallel to soul and godliness, and call this three level: submission, separation, and sweetness.

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Host36:21

So what he said was the following: everything that you have, everything that we have to understand, we have to understand in three different levels. And submission, separation, and sweetness. And it is exactly submission, separation, and making sweet, bringing a sweetness.

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Ariel Cohen36:57

This reward in submission, like to separate the good from the evil, and it's when you make, you do the right thing with the evil, like.

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Host37:19

So look how interesting these three levels, right, of submission, separation, and sweetness. It has a Gematria of 746, which is the same word for Christianity. 746. So we can understand that what was revealed to the Baal Shem Tov is Yeshua, Jesus. OK.

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Ariel Cohen38:06

Learn from 10 years, was of he, in the time of Moses, right? He very long life and he was a founder of the kingdom of the north, what you call the tree of Joseph.

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Host38:33

OK? So he is saying the following: The Baal Shem Tov was a student of a rabbi who, according to him, is very ancient since the time of Elijah, the prophet, founder of the kingdom of the north called the tree of Joseph. And the Gematria of this term, tree of Joseph, is equal to the term, the word Yeshua. Yeshua and 'Yeshu', Jesus. So, in the first, when he says 'Yeshu', he is referring to Yeshua in his first coming, because the last letter 'Ayin' is not yet revealed. That is why he says 'Yeshu' and not 'Yeshua'. So the letter 'Ayin', which is this last letter, of the word 'Yeshua', in the Gematria, it is from the tribe of Dan and it means the serpent.

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Ariel Cohen40:27

Letter 22, letter 7 and 12. Letter parallel to the 12, the 12 tribes, right? And in the order of the flag, the 10 simple letter parallel to the of and the of 10 months in the year. After this is a little bit complicated. The serpent again, the aleph and letter.

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Host41:15

So the alphabet is divided between 22 and 7. OK? The letter is parallel to the 12 tribes. So the tenth letter in the simple alphabet is parallel to the tribe of Dan. We don't have the New Testament, the tribe of Dan. So, in the first coming, he could not deal with this letter 'Ayin', which represents the eyes, right? Ah, so it represents the eyes, the tree of good and evil. And he did not deal with this in his first coming, OK? This is above everything. So the letter 'Ayin', the letter 'Ayin' refers to the second coming of the Messiah and it will mean seven eyes. The letter 'Ayin' in Gematria is equal to 70. The word 'Jew' is 35. So, the letter 'Ayin', the 'Ayin' of 70 are two times 'Jew'. In the entire Bible we have two times this. Two times. Jewish man. Two times in the Bible. Right? So it is in the Talmud and after that there will be 10 people holding the garment of a Jew, which is Zechariah, if I am not mistaken. So two times, the letter equals 'Jew'. Sum the word of Esau, but the word of, when he said this, when Yeshua said 'this is my body' he referred to Esau. And when he said 'this is my blood' this refers to what is, so like is 'Yov' is 'Yeshu' but 'Yov' is a concept of 'Yeshu', it is 'Yeshu' and 'David'. OK, so he is saying, he is saying when Yeshua said 'this is my blood' he was referring to 'Yov', OK. So this is the revelation about Esau, about Jacob, it is like a triangle that reveals as Ben David, Kabbalah. And you regain David and on the cross inside them again David you receive Yeshua because this is a letter of Yeshua. 'Yeshu' plus 'Ayin' is a letter of Yeshua. So then when you have Esau, you have 'Yov' and 'Yeshu', it forms a triangle forming the word 'Yeshua'. Can you see this? You have a triangle what refer to 'Yov', to the good, to the blood of Jesus, and you have a triangle that is like a cup that refer to the bad guy what has the three letters of Esau, and together when you make a line in the middle from above.

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Ariel Cohen49:25

Inclination of peace between the two inclinations. It's not war between the two inclinations, peace between, and this is the coming of Messiah. And have a rectification as a Jew he must to come back to Israel like Yeshua to come back to Israel and two Jewish, we, these are two Jewish that refer to two times in the Bible.

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Host49:57

Wow. OK. So what he is saying is that we have here the two inclinations, one bad, one good. Esau is the bad inclination, 'Yov' is the good inclination. These 'Yehudim' that appear twice in the Bible, they unite the bad and the good side, right? Forming. So it says that one is not the enemy of the other, one needs the other. So this union is what causes the name 'Yeshua'. So that's it, we talked a little about what is submission, separation, and sweetness. OK, everything good? So now we have to understand the revelation of the Messiah to the Baal Shem Tov in three levels, right? The level of the world, the level of the soul, and the elevated level, right? The level above. Ariel.

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Ariel Cohen52:06

In the first class, animal, bad animal, right? Submission level, I don't know nothing, I just listen, I have to learn. Submission.

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Host52:20

OK, so what is the serpent in the first level, in the world level, is simply an animal. In the submission level, it is nothing, it simply has to learn.

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Ariel Cohen52:34

The second level, what is a snake? The snake is a bad inclination, but are two kind of bad inclination. Is bad inclination in holiness and is bad inclination not in holiness, and make separation between both of them.

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Host52:53

In the second level, what is the serpent? It is the bad inclination. Only that it is bad inclination in two levels. It is a bad inclination within the, I don't know exactly how to translate 'holiness', in the sacred part, right, of what is sacred and of what is not sacred. Ariel.

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Ariel Cohen53:23

So, look how interesting. In the third level, what is the Messiah? Messiah, the Gematria of him is the serpent. So what is the serpent? Jesus said in the New Testament, you have to watch me like the snake of Moses that he put on the stick, right? So if I watch very well, I give him legs, I watch him very well, the snake of Moses, I will be healed from the bad snake. OK.

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Host54:24

OK. So the Gematria, right, is 358 of the Gematria of the serpent, which is also the Gematria of the Messiah. So Moses, when he raised the serpent in the desert, people looked at that serpent which is the inclination to evil, right? Only that the Messiah also said, right, Yeshua said that he also has to be looked at like the serpent. In the New Testament he says this, Ariel. So, everything that is written in the Bible about the serpent teaches us about the Messiah.

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Ariel Cohen55:08

So now I know three opposite things, three opposite things but each one of them 100%.

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Host55:20

So I have three opposite truths, right? But the three are part of a greater truth.

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Ariel Cohen55:41

I can hold the two opposite. So this way I have to learn about any concept and learn all the in this way when snake about the.

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Host56:01

So look how interesting, we have two opposite things, right? Meaning, the Messiah, is he a good inclination or is he a bad inclination? So this method of interpretation, the reverse method, are two opposite things which is a way of studying, a way of learning the Torah. So, from this secret, he cited again here Noah and which is the reverse interpretation of these two opposites. From this secret, we can understand who is the Messiah. And why did the Baal Shem Tov not have permission to say those three words referring to this secret? So, these three words.

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Ariel Cohen57:48

Middle, the middle, so we go opposite. What want? This is the left hand of Jesus on the cross. What we want, my potential, the hand is my potential, what I want. So is in the middle of and other.

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Host58:24

So, OK. So, the 'Yeshua' is in the middle of the Gematria, he is in the middle between 'Mashiach' and 'hen'. So, he is making a comparison between the left hand and the right hand. OK. OK.

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Ariel Cohen58:53

Minus 150, plus 150. OK? So, if 'Yeshua' wants to reach the Messiah, he has to subtract 150. So, with one arm extended, it is like a wing, you cannot fly. So he has to add 150 on the other side. Again, I'm sorry, have to add 150 and can add because it is not changing in reality in physics, right? If I push a vector of energy, it's exactly opposite energy in reverse, right? So if you want my, you want, you have to go to the opposite. 150 plus.

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Host1:00:10

He is saying that to receive 'Mashiach' he has to go to the right side, right? So to reach 'hen', to reach 'ren', reaching 'hen', the 'Yeshua' he reaches the Messiah because it is two times his own 'Yeshua', two times him. OK, Ariel. He makes a hole.

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Ariel Cohen1:01:19

Spirit of.

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Host1:01:37

OK. So, see, the word when he is talking about making a hole, right? It starts with the letter in Hebrew, which is the same letter of 'Ruach' spirit. And he is saying that each of us two, yes, same letter. So he is saying that each person has two spirits, but this was not written in the Torah, Ariel. Look how interesting. So, there is a verb in a verse in Proverbs that says: 'Who is the one who has the Holy Spirit in his hands?' So he is saying that Yeshua had the Holy Spirit in his two hands and that we also have the two spirits in each one of us.

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Ariel Cohen1:02:54

So all, so we see in this reward the concept of symmetry, of paradox, right? If I am, for example, if I am the disciple of my rabbi, I must to be teacher too. If I am a son, right, is a father, a mother and a son, the mother spirit, the mother is my rabbi, right? If I am a disciple of my, if I have the same time I have to be his father, I have to teach my, I have to give him the seed. Me, I have to be father and.

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Host1:03:56

So, what he is saying is the following: Ah, to be a student, to be a follower of a rabbi, you are not only the follower, you also play the role of father, you also have a function of revealing. So, in fact, you do the function of the father and the son. Ariel.

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Ariel Cohen1:04:26

If I am a messenger of my rabbi, just to tell the world how he is a great man, I am a liar. But if I go to the two directions, to the opposite direction, so then I am a true messenger. So Elisha that was disciple of Elijah, I want to be a true messenger. I want you twice.

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Host1:05:04

Everything good. So, if I want to be a true messenger like this, like this rabbi who studied with Elijah, I have to be the messenger in two directions, right? Until opening the arms to show. It has to be a messenger in two directions for me to be a true messenger. So, what when Elijah asked Elisha, which is the same, right? What do you want me to do before I go? And Elisha said: 'I want double your anointing. I want two spirits, I want double.' So Elisha, he is a true disciple of Elijah. He is, he is two times. He is a true disciple.

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Ariel Cohen1:06:40

OK. So, when 'Yov' leaves his house to go to Laban, he is making a comparison with the stone on top of the fountain.

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Host1:06:59

So the word, ah, so the water is the Torah and that fountain, the fountain, he is saying that the words in Hebrew, the fountain and 'Yeshua' are the same.

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Ariel Cohen1:07:18

On top of what is right, but was stone on his mouth that don't let, that have to be removed, understand what is.

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Host1:07:40

Very well, so the stone, the stone, right, in the Gematria is equal to 'Esaú' and the stone, he had to remove the stone from his mouth. OK. The water. OK. The water is the Torah. So he removes the stone from that fountain and he gives, when he gives water to the sheep, it is as if he were teaching the Torah to Israel. So he is saying the Hebrew, right, of giving water. They are two times 'Yeshua'.

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Ariel Cohen1:08:51

Ifar 7.

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Host1:09:09

So it is. So we have the fountain 208, we have the fountain, right? So we have the fountain, it is 'Yeshua'. OK? So look how interesting. We have the fountain, we have the sheep, right? So in the Gematria one minus the other is equal to 67. 67 is the word referring to the shepherd, Ariel. Look how cool. So, the shepherd plus the flock is equal to two times 'Yeshua'.

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Ariel Cohen1:10:39

So then he is saying that when Jacob found Rachel, it is a word with the same letter and he says that it doesn't matter where you go, there are always these two spirits.

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Host1:11:04

So we see that the secret of the creation, when we want to go to the people in this story about 'Yov', from the secret of write book. He used this example of Jacob, in fact, when he removed the stone from his mouth. So he is using the same technique that he just explained to us.

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Moré Pavan1:11:49

Gente de Raquel, das duas palavras, para poder usar essa mesma técnica para revelar o Messias para nós.

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Ariel Cohen1:12:14

I have to, I need keys. I have to do, how I go, where I go. It's like to open the sea when you go out of Egypt. We have in the Egyptian and we want to go but we don't, is a sea something that don't you have no way, no way. Moses make a way in the secret of one of the secret of the like in other places.

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Moré Pavan1:12:48

Então, é isso que ele tá dizendo para nós, a cruz, né? Ela vai mostrar um caminho, porque para nós trazermos o Messias, nós temos que saber um caminho. Como o povo judeu quando saiu do Egito, quando Moisés abriu o mar, mostrou-se um caminho para eles, porque o mar é uniforme, você não sabe para onde você vai, mas Deus abriu um caminho pro povo andar. É a mesma coisa que nós estamos fazendo aqui. Nós temos que saber para onde ir, qual o caminho que está aberto para nós.

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Ariel Cohen1:13:19

It is order when we find somebody and nobody know who kill. So we measure to the closest city to the closest place.

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Moré Pavan1:13:51

Então ele tá dando um exemplo aqui. Na Torá existe uma outra revelação a respeito do Messias que é quando alguém é morto num local e ninguém sabe quem matou, você deve medir daquele local a cidade mais próxima.

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Ariel Cohen1:14:10

The GL cut was the we did it right like the oldest that came from the closest city. The closest city is my closest will what I want to achieve as a. So what we did we do again to fix the sin. The perfect rectification of the sin is to do it again in a good way, because all it is the plan of creation.

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Moré Pavan1:15:16

Então, olha o que ele tá falando. Ele tá dizendo o seguinte: Para retificar um pecado é necessário ir no sentido oposto. É como se fosse cometer o pecado, mas no sentido oposto. Então ele tá dizendo que quando a serpente mandou alguém comer daquela árvore, a meta da criação é fazer o perfeito, é ir no sentido oposto do pecado.

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Ariel Cohen1:15:49

In the level of separation, don't kill Jesus to kill Jesus, right? You have to be good to Jesus in a rectification in the level of godliness. No, we have to do it. It's like I am Jesus and I want to achieve God, so I myself on the n I have to do the sin again.

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Moré Pavan1:16:23

Então ele tá dizendo o seguinte, no segundo nível, nós temos que ser bom para Jesus. E no terceiro nível é como se a gente tivesse que crucificá-lo novamente, mas no bom sentido.

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Ariel Cohen1:16:40

Like instead of the dead we take a baby bull. Bull is your right, the one that we kill is your Jesus, right? So we took him, he's a baby bull, is a father bull, is God, is the paradigm. The red cow is olives. We take the baby bull and we kill him again and was the end like, and we said we didn't. So this is a paradox of how to understand all the in the level of, it's a little bit complicated. Here, how we find somebody dead, the dead person that we find, sent yourself, how we know the tell us to take a baby bull, right? A baby, a calf.

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Moré Pavan1:18:14

Ah, ok. Então, quando existe uma pessoa que foi morta e não se sabe quem matou, então deve-se medir a cidade mais próxima e também fazer um sacrifício de uma vaca, como se fosse cometer o pecado novamente.

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Ariel Cohen1:18:36

In Jesus to sacrifice the sheep, right? Who is the sheep that we sacrifice? This is Jesus and the God tell us we have to sacrifice Jesus because we are too small now to understand what is. So it's not for you just born, just born children. So the tell him you have to sacrifice the God of the Egyptian, of the Christian, sacrifice to God like sacrifice.

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Moré Pavan1:19:17

Ok. Então o que ele tá falando? Ele tá fazendo uma analogia desse sacrifício que tem que ser feito quando a pessoa é morta e achada com o sacrifício de Páscoa, dizendo que o carneiro de Páscoa é Yesua, o cordeiro é Yesua. É como se tivesse que, e o cordeiro foi sacrificado para o povo sair do Egito. E agora nós temos que sacrificar novamente, como se sacrificá-lo depois que a pessoa foi morta, né? Dando o exemplo da Torá, quando a pessoa é morta e não se sabe quem matou. Então, sacrificar novamente.

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Ariel Cohen1:20:02

Is ego, is ego, is a good ego and Jesus ego is. And the woman is modesty, is nothing. Like David to opposite. So when you say is Ham is like a east, like you, like you in the bread, that's what you calling, yeah. Become big, big ego. The is have nobody. So when we are kid, when we are small, we don't, we don't eat, it's not good and we don't, and we don't, you know.

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Moré Pavan1:21:00

Vai. Então, a gente fez o sacrifício do Messias para Deus, nós ficamos pequenos e o pão sem fermento é algo pequeno, é algo humilde, né? O pão com fermento ele cresce. Então ele tá dizendo que isso, ele tá fazendo uma analogia, dizendo que o mancher foi sacrificado para Deus.

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Ariel Cohen1:21:20

Up 50.

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Moré Pavan1:21:35

Pentecostes, depois de 50 dias, nós já crescemos. E o pão oferecido no altar do Pentecostes é um pão com fermento.

Então, legal. Quando depois nós por 50 dias, depois de 50 dias nós crescemos, nós recebemos o fermento que é o espírito, que é o Messias. E isso é bom. Então, receber o Messias, receber o espírito depois de 50 dias, isto é bom.

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Ariel Cohen1:22:28

I am a, I am, I am your leader, you bow to me, right? In the brother, oh evil, evil thing.

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Moré Pavan1:22:50

Então, olha só, quando José ele tentou se fazer grande, quando ele disse no sonho que as pessoas iriam se prostrar a ele, ele foi entendido como uma coisa ruim. Tentaram matar ele e a mesma coisa com Jesus.

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Ariel Cohen1:23:08

OK. So, because are small, not yet up, so they do separation. Ego is bad. So we don't want ego. Ego is bad, right? Everybody is bad. But everything that is bad in the level of godliness can be very good.

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Moré Pavan1:23:31

Ah, olha só que interessante. Então, no nível de separação, de holiness, de próximo para Deus, aquilo que é ruim pode ser bom. Então aquilo que parece ruim no nosso nível aqui, no nível elevado, pode ser bom.

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Ariel Cohen1:23:51

It is about that will eat butter and will eat butter and for his knowledge to reject the evil and to the good. Will eat the tree of knowledge good and evil. Eat the tree of knowledge, the right, go to cause the destroyed of the kingdom of what the, of. So now came to tell you because what you did is a generation 26 from Abraham. It's like the father of. So he was very bad king, the father always relate to the bad guy, the mother, the blood refer to the good guy by the way. Ok, so came to tell him you have to give birth to a very special that his name is Emmanuel, that equal kind plus he the good guy and the bad guy both of them.

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Moré Pavan1:25:21

OK. Só OK. Ele tá dizendo que o profeta Isaías foi até o rei Arras, que era um rei ruim, e disse para ele que ele iria dar a luz a Imanuel, que seria alguém muito bom.

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Ariel Cohen1:25:40

Plus he, plus, and the two son of Adamuel.

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Moré Pavan1:26:11

Ah, a gramátria de Emmanuel, ela é a soma de Caim e de Belção.

Tá certo? Então ele tá dizendo que as letras que ficam são iguais a Caim e as últimas letras são iguais a Belção.

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Ariel Cohen1:26:55

197 is the number of the letter in the first day of creation.

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Moré Pavan1:26:59

O quê?

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Ariel Cohen1:27:02

197, letter youing about the first sentence. The number of the letter in the first day of the creation is, is what is Emmanuel, what is kind heaven.

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Moré Pavan1:27:31

Ah, então a gema do primeiro dia de criação é 197, que é a mesma de Emmanuel.

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Ariel Cohen1:27:43

In the beginning was good and mixed. This is right submission. After separation between night and day, this separation. After it was evening, it was days, all one day. This is between good and even, between the day and the.

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Moré Pavan1:28:13

Muito bem. Então ele tá dizendo que no começo, na criação havia caos, então tava tudo misturado. Depois houve a separação entre o dia e a noite, entre o bem e o mal.

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Ariel Cohen1:28:25

After the sear to make it was even was bad was all one day. Ok, a depoised.

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Moré Pavan1:28:49

Ok, então ele tá dizendo o seguinte: quando a noite e o dia se tornaram um dia houve uma união daquilo que é bom, daquilo que é ruim. E isso seria o terceiro nível, o nível de tornar doce.

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Ariel Cohen1:29:08

Day, this go of all creation. So first of all it is evil literally, so I have to re, even if I have to re. But when I recognize the good root of the evil, the root of the evil in holiness, this evil have.

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Moré Pavan1:29:41

OK? Então, olha só como houve a união da noite com o dia, do bem e do mal. Ele tá dizendo o seguinte: quando nós temos o bem, nós temos que tirar também a raiz boa do mal, a raiz de separação, raiz de holiness do mal, e assim fazer uma união entre o bem e a raiz boa que está no mal.

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Ariel Cohen1:30:13

In the beginning he will eat butter and, but before he add, but before he will get to the knowledge to reject the evil and to chose the good. Before he will eat butter and before he will eat the tree, the knowledge evil, all the will be left, we go to exile.

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Moré Pavan1:30:42

OK. Então, antes dele comer da árvore do bem e do mal, antes de cometer o pecado, ele iria para o exílio.

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Ariel Cohen1:30:55

In the secondes, he will eat. Before the kid will know to reject the evil and to choose the good, all the land will be, we go to exile. Because Jesus was above the good, understand.

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Moré Pavan1:31:30

Hum, interessante. Então, quando na segunda vinda de Jesus, na primeira vinda dele, nós fizemos o mal e fomos ao exílio. Na segunda vez agora será o contrário. Nós vamos fazer o bem.

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Ariel Cohen1:31:45

Ariel, the.

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Moré Pavan1:32:04

Então tudo bem. O Aras, né, ele causou o exílio das 10 tribos. O que ele chama de árvore de José, que é a mesma gema. Então ele pediu ajuda do, correto.

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Ariel Cohen1:32:20

Problem with king of problem with them, so, and don't worry about the kingdom of.

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Moré Pavan1:32:44

Ok, então olha que interessante. O profeta Isaías falou para o Aras, não pede ajuda pro Achuro, não pede ajuda para esse estrangeiro, porque naquela época o reino de Israel, o reino do sul e o reino do norte eram inimigos. Isaías falou para ele não pedir ajuda pro rei de fora, ele pediu e o rei invadiu e, vamos dizer, exilou as 10 tribos que representam aí Yesua, Jesus.

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Ariel Cohen1:33:13

Of the kingdom of the starting in the day of and finish the day of the opinion.

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Moré Pavan1:33:25

Ok. Então ele tá dizendo o seguinte: o exílio das 10 tribos começou no reino de Ahas e terminou no reino do seu filho.

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Ariel Cohen1:33:33

Ariel. To because what you did you have to bring a special and this the will not accept him and then they will go to exile. But this go to exile, right? He was giving to the exile to bring back Christianity, the tribe that was lost. The, the goal of Jesus is to bring back to the 10, the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus said I have sheep beside your guys and I will give my life to bring them back and this is the lost tribe of Israel that was lost, right? So now why we need Christianity to bring back them, to bring them back to our right. So the tree of your is one, is Christianity, equal Jesus and all the soul of the areiding there. And it is the of Judah what refer to Judah and says that when come will take the two stick and will make from them one stick. It means will be union between Christianity as when will be fixed.

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Moré Pavan1:35:26

Então, OK. Ele tá dizendo o seguinte, a função da árvore de José tem a gema igual a Iexu. Então, Iexu, a função de Jesus é trazer de volta essas 10 tribos como se fosse um galho e unir com aquele outro galho do reino do sul que representa o judaísmo. Então esta é a função dele, trazer para que os dois galhos, como diz o profeta Ezequiel, sejam apenas um.

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Ariel Cohen1:36:00

We talk about peace between Christianity and Judaism. When we talk about Christianity we talk about two concept. What is like 666 or whatever is government, the and the religion people. Two concept that belong to Israel that have to come back to Israel and leadership of the world. The leadership of the world must to come back to Israel because this what make us might first born Israel. If not a first born, if he don't have part of him, not first.

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Moré Pavan1:36:49

Então, olha que interessante, o Jáov não é o primogênito. Esaú é o primogênito, só que Esaú é a ovelha pequena. Então, os dois, Jáov precisa de Esaú porque ele não é o primogênito. Então ele precisa, um precisa do outro para fazer parte do reino de Deus.

Existem dois conceitos do primogênito.

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Ariel Cohen1:37:21

It is a first born through the father that refer to, refer to the bread we are free. Bread. According to the mother you said no, again two concept of first born. It is a first born to the father and a first born to the mother. First born to the father.

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Moré Pavan1:37:54

Ah, ok. Então existem dois tipos.

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Ariel Cohen1:38:13

A bad guy.

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Moré Pavan1:38:30

Ok, então tá dizendo o seguinte, dois conceitos do primogênito. O primogênito do pai é o ruim, tá? Agora nós temos o matsot, né? E depois no pêsar nós temos o vinho. E o vinho ele é da alma, que é algo bom.

Ah, olha que legal, nós temos três matsot, três pais, quatro copos de vinho, quatro mães. Ok. Fathers, the mother.

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Ariel Cohen1:39:13

The body is a bad guy. This a soul, this is a good guy.

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Moré Pavan1:39:22

Então, nós precisamos do corpo que é ruim e nós precisamos da alma que é boa.

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Ariel Cohen1:39:43

Judaism and Christianity. Christianity today is light, no vessel of just light. Judaism is just with no light. And we have to them together and two that of the tree of Judah.

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Moré Pavan1:40:11

Não, olha que ele tá falando. Para concluir aqui, o que ele tá fazendo com o projeto dele, que é o Facing Each Other, é unir esses dois galhos. Unir o cristianismo, que é luz, mas não tem Torá, e unir o judaísmo, que é Torá, mas falta luz. Então, unindo esses dois, para serem dois galhos, para serem um só.

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Ariel Cohen1:40:44

Jakob, equ.

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Moré Pavan1:41:00

Então ele tá dizendo o seguinte, o nome em hebraico do Facing Each Other é 558, que é a soma de Esaú com Jacó, como os dois anjos.

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Ariel Cohen1:41:27

So it's a strong name to present and want to do of a new retell of as a debate TV series for long time every week will be another question about.

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Moré Pavan1:42:18

OK. Então, ele tá dizendo que o Facing Each Other é o cristianismo e o judaísmo olhando um para o outro, porque no momento eles estão de costas um pro outro. É, olhando um pro outro, trazer a redenção do primogênito. Esaú, trazer a redenção do primogênito e poder fazer um julgamento, um novo julgamento daquele que foi julgado no passado, né? Esta é o projeto dele.

Queremos trazê-lo de volta para a terra de Israel de uma forma legal.

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Ariel Cohen1:43:09

After will be preparation time and will.

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Moré Pavan1:43:22

Começa com uma pequena cerimônia depois vem o rejulgamento e após disso vem o período de paz entre cristianismo e judaísmo.

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Host1:43:32

Deixa eu perguntar algo a ele sobre isso aí.

Santach, bom essa pergunta já tava no script, né? E como o senhor já iniciou a fala sobre o assunto, eu gostaria de perguntar algo relacionado a isso.

Pode, vai, não pode falar, Moré. Pode. O capítulo, no caso, esse novo julgamento, se isso acontecer, né, se realmente a corte judaica, o tribunal judaico, acatasse esse pedido, aceitasse analisar todo o processo que culminou com a morte de Jesus ou assassinato, isso poderia ter o impacto dentro da tradição talmúdica que apresenta, por exemplo, Yesua lá em Sanedrin 43 a partir do verso 16, se não o DAF 16, como alguém, a tradição lá em Sanedrin 43 vai dizer que Yeshua, ele foi praticamente morto dentro do período de Páscoa. Eu sei que existe uma anacronia histórica de data, né? Existe uma anacronia dos relatos, pois Yesua do Novo Testamento ele é morto de forma, ele é crucificado e lá ele é apedrejado. Mas em muitos estudos e seminários aqui no Brasil, seminários até mesmo Ben Noa, esse personagem que está lá no Talmud é apresentado para muitos encalços como sendo o próprio Jesus de Novo Testamento. Então se o tribunal acatasse isso, isso poderia de alguma forma impactar a tradição talmúdica que apresenta Yeshua dessa forma, que mostra o processo de julgamento que culminou com a sua morte feito totalmente de forma irregular.

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Ariel Cohen1:45:47

Comes to take place if the Supreme Court, if the judicial court will take this case and retrial Yeshua, is it going to change the Talmud report about Yeshua in San Hedron 43 saying that he was stoned? I mean he says that okay the new test he was crucified, says he was stoned, but his question is is it going to change the report in understand.

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Moré Pavan1:46:31

Ah, Tis, ele tá dizendo que o Talmud, ninguém entende isso direito, porque o Talmud diz do Yeshua Ben Stada, que é alguém que viveu 100 anos depois. Então ele tá dizendo que isso não, uma coisa não tá relacionada à outra no Talmud.

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Host1:46:48

Sim. Eu digo isso para ele porque aqui no Brasil inclusive judeus que participam de podcast muitas vezes quando falam do Jesus, eles falam do Jesus ou do Yeshua, referenciando ele com base nas informações do Talmud, não do próprio Novo Testamento. Nós entendemos que existe essa anacronia de 100 anos, né? Mas muitos praticamente referenciam Yesua com base nessas informações do Novo Testamento, numa tentativa de deslegitimar o seu ministério.

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Ariel Cohen1:47:25

Asking this because here in Brazil in several podcasts, several conversations, Jewish people they take the reference and they link to Yeshua the who exp all stu. Let me explain you something about what is about. That was in Lod not in Jerusalem. Ben Stada say they say about Ben Stada why his name is Ben Stada so they say because his mother she was so she was not straight and asked why we call him Ben Pandira. So they said Pandira this was his biologic father not the husband of his wife. And then they ask why we call him Ben Papos. So they say Papos this was the husband of his mother. No, Papos is a famous personality in the Talmud and he was with Rabbi Akiva going to died when Rabbi Akiva was in the age of 120 and this is father right of supposed to be the father of Jesus. Now according to in the year of zero according to the historian people 40 years later now in the Meriva 40 years after Jesus born now is in the age of 120 is the father of Jesus what his name the biologic father and said to Meriva you should be happy that you are going to die for learning and it's bad for me that going to die for because I did the nonsense things bad thing all my life so this purpose this purpose when is 120 years to son can be Jesus somebody else and in the in the in the it is about him that he was a that came from Egypt and his name was Ben Stada the similar letter so it's a confusing about this and he was stone he was because he was a sor of and was for good reason he was but it is a confusion of our between Jesus and this guy why our Jesus don't remember.

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Moré Pavan1:50:45

Ok, o que ele tá dizendo é que é uma grande confusão, porque este Ben Stada, Ben Papos, ele não tem relação nenhuma. Ele como ele diz aqui do Meriva, que nasceu 40 anos depois da época de Yeshua, quando ele tava com 120 anos, ele conversou com esse Ben Papos. Então, existe no Talmud da Babilônia, no Talmudalim, também falando desse Ben Stada com uma outra grafia. São pessoas completamente diferentes. Mas por que isso? Porque os sábios do judaísmo não vão lembrar de Jesus. Então eles estão falando dessa pessoa que é diferente dele. Existe uma grande confusão porque identificam essa pessoa com Jesus e não é. Não é perfeito. Perfeito.

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Ariel Cohen1:51:39

Jesus inompedita, inompedita people so and sous so and so. What pomped a m joke laughing you in if you learn deep tell you so we are just joking about Jesus, joking well just joking because pomped it's me joking and before this conversation in this what this what people this what so they tell you from the beginning we are joking on the count of Jesus now so but they're joking about the real Jesus, they're joking about the real Jesus yeah of course but because they don't.

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Moré Pavan1:53:08

O que ele tá dizendo, Telis, é que na Babilônia ninguém lembra direito do que aconteceu. O que eles estavam fazendo é mais o que tá escrito ali é uma brincadeira porque eles nem lembram. Foi escrito 600 anos depois.

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Ariel Cohen1:53:22

Is bad and they know that do idol from Jesus they call Jesus God so you have to make joke of idolry one of.

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Moré Pavan1:53:35

Ah ok. Ah ok, então olha só, eles viam o cristianismo, ok, então olha só, eles fizeram e eles entendiam o cristianismo como algo idólatra e eles, de acordo com a Torá, tem que zombar de idolatria. Então eles fizeram uma zombaria porque eles realmente não lembravam de quem era Jesus. Eles só sabiam que os cristãos o consideram Deus.

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Ariel Cohen1:54:09

If you analyze what it is in the you will find that is nothing they don't talk about Jesus talk about some somebody else and Jesus himself is a good thing about Jesus where I don't remember. No, but I mean the serious one. The serious one. Where is it written? The serious one. What do you mean the serious? No, no. The one that serious just said something good about him. Where is it written? Ah, it's Eros. Was about right we don't you out of and you know is like discussion about about you know something that you cook with it if not so it's all story I don't care story. But really they make like excuse why they him out now when he olderanos is very old is going to die they came to visit him and and they take the out this man they bring him back going to die and then ask him maybe you have a pleasure.

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Host1:56:01

Spanish. I know the story. Uhuh.

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Ariel Cohen1:56:04

Yeah, I have a pleasure from them. I met once long time ago in a disciple of Jesus his name isov and he asked me what you think we have to do with with donation that give to the and we build the bathroom from because came from the right and I have a pleasure from what he told me so that he was he says that when he was young he disciple of historically and that was judge with the because he pray with the messianic people because he met one of the disciples of Jesus and what later on what was in the synagogue of the of the Christian was in so R took him to to try why you pray with because the R was against excuse no but you have to.

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Moré Pavan1:57:48

Ok, o que ele tá dizendo é o seguinte, existe uma história contada pelo Eliéser no Talmud, que é uma coisa que parece ser mais séria, que ele conheceu um dos discípulos de Yeshua e que depois ele orou com eles e depois ele foi julgado pelos seus pais, o que que tava fazendo com eles. Então esta é uma história que ele julga mais provável, o que ele julga mais provável, que ele julga que realmente pode ter acontecido. É isso que ele tava contando agora, essa história.

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Host1:58:18

Sim. Entendi.

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Ariel Cohen1:58:48

Mar kill which one is which said that r par of was in your placeing so.

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Moré Pavan1:59:32

Dizendo que não foi punido por ter participado dessa reunião com os discípulos de Jesus, porque ele tem, ah, ele reencarnação do Ruben. Ruben, o Certo.

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Ariel Cohen2:00:02

Jld.

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Moré Pavan2:00:14

Tá. O Ruben tentou vender também. Então quando, então assim é, a Cabala fala que este Elizer é a reencarnação do Ruben, tá? Da tribo do líder da tribo primogênito de Jacov. E o Ruben ele não quis vender José, né? Ele saiu, quando ele voltou ele falou pros irmãos: Como é que eu vou para o meu pai sem José?

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Ariel Cohen2:01:21

In Jesus and a tá falando da Cabala. Então tá dizendo a Cabala diz que Jesus 50.

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Moré Pavan2:02:08

Aí, Tis, ele tá falando da Cabala, que a Cabala fala de reencarnação. Ele tá falando umas coisas do que que a Cabala acredita que é uma reencarnação do outro.

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Host2:02:21

É isso. E o Genot? Sim.

Ah, gostaria de fazer uma pergunta relacionada com o texto da Brit Hadashá. Como que ele compreende o capítulo um de João, quando o evangelista ele diz assim: No princípio era o verbo, o verbo estava com Deus e o verbo era Deus. E o texto vai dizer que todas as coisas foram feitas por ele e sem ele nada do que foi feito se fez. Ou seja, o logos ali, de acordo com o texto, é responsável pela criação de todas as coisas. Como que ele compreende aquela questão ali? Qual a relação desse logos com a questão da natureza do Messias?

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Ariel Cohen2:03:06

How do you understand one say in the beginning was the word, the word was God was with God and through him everything was done so how you understand that? He was there before the creation. All you are all God to God this idolity this answer of Jesus for one of the biggest problem in between Judaismity. My told me 20 years, 15 years ago if the Christian understand that you are all God anymore. Jesus 2000 years ago you are all God and of God you are all you are all God.

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Moré Pavan2:04:34

O que ele tá dizendo é que é o seguinte, é que tudo é Deus, como antes da criação só existia Deus e tudo vem de Deus. Então ele tá dizendo que tudo é Deus. Então quando a gente entende que tudo é Deus, isso não é idolatria. Agora, achar que só Jesus é Deus, aí se torna idolatria. Mas quando a gente entende que tudo é Deus, não tem mais idolatria em nada.

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Host2:04:57

Perfeito, entendi.

Bom, Pavan, a live foi importantíssima, muito conteúdo de valor, né? Mas diz para ele que a gente vai precisar já se encaminhar pro final. Vamos, já estamos em 2 horas de live, né? Mas foi um prazer imenso, né? O canal vai estar sempre disponível para ele. Eu gostaria de fazer uma pergunta. Existe, parece que uma pessoa que apoia ele, que ajuda ele, acho que oferece algum tipo de apoio a ele. Eu acho que é o irmão, deixa eu ver aqui, Té, né? Pediu para perguntar se ele aceitaria conversar, debater com um ortodoxo aqui no Brasil, na internet, numa transmissão ao vivo, conversar com o judeu ortodoxo, melhor botar assim.

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Ariel Cohen2:06:09

Will orthodox.

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Host2:06:24

Sim.

Tá aí quem me pediu para perguntar, tá? Yes. Sim. Então, fiquem à vontade. O canal, se puder sediar um encontro desse, eu faria isso com uma satisfação também, né? Então, pessoal, professor Ariel, muito obrigado pela sua participação, pela sua presença. Conteúdo riquíssimo. Precisaremos ouvir, ver e rever essa live para absorver toda a informação, todo o conhecimento de Torá e Novo Testamento que o Senhor nos trouxe no dia de hoje. Gratidão pela sua presença, que o Eterno continue abençoando a sua casa e a sua família.

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Ariel Cohen2:07:07

Thank you so much for teaching very rich concept we will have to go over and over again on everything you spoke today for us to assimilate everything very rich it was a wonderful opportunity may god bless you and your family thank you very much for being here with us for over two hours. Thank you. Thank you to support what doing. Thank you.

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Host2:07:38

Pelo apoio, o chat foi a loucura aqui com as interpretações dele aqui. O pessoal vibrou muito aqui no chat.

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Moré Pavan2:08:09

Então ele falou que tem muita coisa para ser explicada e que isso é o bom começo.

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Host2:08:13

Então diz para ele que se ele quiser voltar a gente pode dar continuidade uma outra data quando ele tiver disponível. O canal tá praticamente aberto para participações sempre que ele quiser.

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Ariel Cohen2:08:40

I want to add like I said before lately been doing my music special music that is good for the soul because the opposite so our logic our logic from here to here in the music go direct not so in YouTube when you Engloro with L plus music you get to my website and will help me a lot to get to more people if my music go to more people listen to my music.

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Moré Pavan2:09:43

Correndo. Ah, então a loro com dois Ls plus music, plus music, right?

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Ariel Cohen2:09:52

Yes.

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Moré Pavan2:09:53

Music, você cai no canal dele e ele pede pras pessoas irem para darem esse apoio, para ouvirem a música dele no canal dele.

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Host2:10:01

Eh, diz para ele, o Pavan, que você vai pedir o site dele, as redes sociais, que eu vou colocar aqui na descrição do vídeo para que as pessoas também possam encontrá-lo.

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Ariel Cohen2:10:17

Your website is facing each other.org right this is this is website. It's you know very old not develop right now. What we are small organization we don't have a lot of and your Facebook? How do we find you on Facebook? In Facebook page special page of each other in Facebook and I have my personal page.

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Moré Pavan2:11:20

Então o Facebook dele, Telis, é Ariel Corin Aloro 2L, tá? Ele falou que no Facebook ele conversa, ele fala no chat, ele pode agendar ligações sem problema nenhum. E o Facing Charter é um site que ele não tá tão, é um pequeno projeto que ele também tem, do facingeachother.org.

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Host2:11:44

OK. Botando aqui o Facebook, botando na tela aqui o Facebook.

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Moré Pavan2:12:02

OK, ele agradece muito e fala se a gente vai espera que a gente goste da música dele também.

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Ariel Cohen2:12:14

YouTube.

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Moré Pavan2:12:16

No YouTube, no YouTube também. Ariel Correndoro, você acha a música dele no YouTube também.

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Ariel Cohen2:12:22

Corre.

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Host2:12:25

OK. Pronto. É só procurar praticamente Ariel Correnha loro na internet, irmãos. Vai buscar muita coisa relacionado com eles, tá? Não é difícil, difícil de encontrá-lo não.

Não tá, agora tá certo. Agora tá certo. Tudo bem. Pessoal, muito obrigado a participação de vocês. Pessoal que tava no chat aqui ao vivo, muito obrigado pela participação. Cristãos, messiânicos, bena, ortodoxos, sejam muitos bem-vindos no canal. Participem sempre. Como já disse o professor Ariel Arolouro, ele está aberto a dialogar, a conversar, né? Se você quiser vir aqui no canal para bater um papo comigo, eu hoje praticamente só ouvi, né? Foi uma aula profunda de Torá, temos que rever essa aula aqui. Muito, muito mistério. Quem gosta de mistério, tá aí. Muito mistério. Mas sejam muito bem-vindos aqui todos no canal. Muito obrigado pela participação mais uma vez, Moré Pavan, muito obrigado pela sua presença. Você é uma luz e uma bênção aqui para nossas vidas aqui no canal, tá? Que eterno continue te abençoando por essa disponibilidade, por esse inglês maravilhoso, entendeu? As pessoas estão elogiando no chat. Que o eterno abençoe sua casa, sua família. Mais uma vez, professor Ariel e Varer errado, na vezmereira, que o Senhor te abençoe e te guarde. Muito obrigado pela sua presença, pois você abrilhantou o nosso canal. Shalom. Shalom. Thank you so much. Shalom.

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Ariel Cohen2:14:04

Thank you so much.

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