It's Carl. All right. Take a look down here at the big board today. Bill Ackman signing the book ahead of his IPOs, Pershing Square going public, making its debut. We'll talk to him later this morning in the 10:00 a.m. hour. Opening bell coming up in less than 5 minutes. Stay with us.
As we mentioned before the break, Bill Ackman's Pershing Square is set to go public and ring the opening bell here at the big board today. It will start trading as a direct listing under PS. A new closed-end fund known as Pershing Square USA will also debut after raising 5 billion at 50, trade under PSUS. Ackman will join us in the next hour. Largest closed-end offering, Jim, in US history.
Well, I think it will attract a lot of attention. Bill's got a fast-standing person, David, high-profile. Yeah, I mean I think the key question simply will be how's it going to trade? You know, a closed-end fund, how will it trade? He obviously long-term has a very strong track record. But these things don't tend to trade that well. And so we will see, but we'll have an opportunity to talk about it.
You know, it's funny. I was thinking about where Blue Owl is. Different model. And I'm surprised that Blue Owl has not rallied at all. It just hasn't made a move, despite the fact that the others have come back. And when you ask me about things that are worrisome that I want to know more about, I'd like to see why that stock hangs at eight and can't do more. Why they don't do more. Because it's been a pretty robust, pretty robust. Although UBS had some comments today about private credit risk. You didn't want to see any dislocation on their end.
I know. I mean, look, I mean, David, we know that Jamie has been more effusive of late that there's something going to be wrong. I still think that that one is the one I want to talk about.
Let's get to the opening bell this morning. That's a big bell on Wall Street. It's Pershing Square USA and Pershing Square Inc. celebrating their combined IPOs. Nasdaq in Times Square, the Women's Bond Club focused on advancing women in financial services. And it's Cboe Chicago. The high school for agriculture and sciences from the Chicago public school system. So, Jim, one good question for the morning is how Brett can be at 116 and the VIX below 18.
Well, let's get to the big event here at the NYSE today. Bill Ackman's Pershing Square debuting this morning in a combined IPO for both its new closed-end fund and the investment management firm. Joining us now first on CNBC is Pershing Square CEO Bill Ackman. Welcome. Good to see you.
Congratulations. So, why are you doing this now? Taking these companies public.
Well, actually, I'm an American investor, running an American company, and I invest in American companies. But we don't have a way for US investors to invest with us. We didn't until today. And by bringing Pershing Square USA public, we create a way for anyone who can buy one share to invest with our firm. And it's sort of the democratization of capitalism. Something I feel very good about. You know, hedge funds are sort of known for managing money for rich people. And now we have the opportunity for someone with $50 can be a long-term shareholder.
I mean, that was a big deal for you, getting retail investors involved in this. You did a YouTube presentation. You did I think a podcast with Vlad Tenev of Robinhood and got some allotment there. Why retail investors? And what's your sense of what demand is going to be like there?
Well, this is a very unusual, while we basically, we took the body of a closed-end fund, but we look nothing like other closed-end funds in terms of scale, in terms of governance, in terms of strategy, in terms of performance. You know, the average equity closed-end fund over the last 8 years has generated a 7% return. We've generated a 25% return over the same period per annum. All right, so it's a very different kind of animal.
And why now? Or I'm sorry, your question? Yeah, I mean why the demand for retail? Why that?
That was the point I was trying to make, which is typical closed-end fund 99% of the buyers are retail. It's really like a financial product, financial advisors and they put it in a client's portfolio. This was a, we did this like a traditional IPO. 80-plus percent of the investors are actually institutions. Most of them family offices, pension funds, insurance companies, very sophisticated investors. None of them had ever before invested in a closed-end fund. So, we took this structure, which is an amazing structure. People, I'd never looked at closed-end funds. What's unique about closed-end funds? You can buy minority stakes in companies. You can buy controlling stakes in companies. You can use derivatives to hedge risk. And there's only one layer of tax. Typical corporation, there's corporate tax and then there's tax when you pay a dividend. So, it's the most tax-efficient corporation, it's the most flexible corporation, but no one's ever used it for the purpose we're using it for.
Yeah, why do they tend to trade at a discount, closed-end funds?
Because they're passive collections of securities with fees. That should trade at a discount. But don't blame the closed-end fund industry for, don't blame the structure for the performance. And the analogy I would make, go back to the 1970s, a whole bunch of real estate investment trusts were launched. They all traded at discounts. Why? Because the sponsorship was weak, because the performance was weak, because the asset quality was poor. And then in the early '90s, I'm sure Carl will remember, Sam Zell took public one of the first multi-billion dollar professionally managed real estate companies and he chose to do it in a REIT. And people were like, 'Sam, why would I invest in REIT? REITs trade at discounts.' He said, 'No, no, not this one.' And REITs traded at big premiums particularly in the '90s because lower cost capital in public markets, liquidity, and what does Sam have? He had best in class governance, he had best in class performance, and best in class asset quality. That's what we're doing. We're kind of the rebirth of the closed-end investment company universe.
How do you feel about the amount you raised? I think $5 billion was about half of as much as you were aiming for, as much as $10 billion.
Aiming is not the right word. So, we were giving, actually, it's a very unusual offering. We've, all we talked about is Pershing Square USA, but it's part of this. Two years ago, we came to market. What we heard from people is they liked the structure, they liked the governance, liked the track record, they liked the sponsor. But they're like, 'Why should I invest on the first day? Just going to be a pile of cash. Hard to get a pile of cash to trade up on the first day.' Retail loved it. Financial advisors loved it, but the institutions you need to do a large-scale offering are used to an IPO that pops, you know, it goes up 10, 15, 20% the first day. So, that's why I scrapped it. I said, 'I'm going to come back with something better.' That was '24. It was '24, and it's actually my wife's idea. I went home and complained to her it's going to be a $2 billion offering. I thought it could be 10. She said, 'Well, is there something else you could give them?' And I said, 'Sweetheart, that's a really good idea.' And so, what we're doing is we're giving a piece of the GP, the management company, the entity that receives fees from the funds. And it's like a gift with purchase. And so, for every five shares you buy of PSUA as in the IPO, you get one share of what we call Pershing Square Inc. So, the IPO pop comes from the receipt of another security. It's almost like buying stock in an IPO and getting an immediate spin-off of another company. Once we had that, we were able to create an offering that was oversubscribed, which has never happened. There's no such thing as an oversubscribed closed-end fund offering because they take every dollar of demand. In this case, we cut back the institutions very significantly in the offering. We let the retail investors get every dollar of, it's usually the retail gets cut massively back and the institutions are favored. We did the opposite. Now, we picked the best in class institutions. But just to give you context, a $5 billion offering is the sixth largest IPO in the last decade. It's like the 20th largest IPO in American history. So, you're not disappointed.
Mother, I asked the bankers. I said, 'When was the last time you worked on a five, have you ever worked on a five billion dollar plus offering?' And only a couple of people out of a group of 60 have raised their hands. So, this is, there's a lot of bigger ones coming though very soon as you well know.
I mean, SpaceX could be a lot bigger obviously. But in this universe, I mean, permanent capital, you know, this has never happened before. And you know, so I think it's a great thing for, obviously we have some of the wealthiest investors in the world. We have a, you know, 200 billion dollar family office that invests in this transaction. We have a pension fund that invested 500 million dollars in this transaction. This was the, you know, the 2.8 billion cornerstone round is the largest amount of committed capital ever raised from IPOs. We broke a lot of records here. And ultimately at the end of the day it's going to be about the performance long term. But you know, this is a pretty...
Well, how do you think it's going to trade then? I mean, to that point.