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Bill Ackman
CEO & Founder, Pershing Square

Bill Ackman Pershing Square IPO 2026-APR-29 Monday

📅 May 10, 2026 TorontoWealthGroup 19 MIN 30 VIEWS 41 SEGMENTS · 5 SPEAKERS
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Bill Ackman, CEO of Pershing Square, discussed the combined IPO of Pershing Square USA (PSUS) and Pershing Square Inc. (PS) on the NYSE. He framed the offering as democratizing access to his firm, allowing a $50 investment. Ackman highlighted the fund's performance, citing a 25% annual return over the last eight years versus 7% for the average equity closed-end fund, and a 19% compound return over 22 years. He explained the 'gift with purchase' structure, where investors receive one share of Pershing Square Inc. for every five shares of PSUS, which he said made the offering oversubscribed. Ackman detailed the fund's governance, including a best-in-class board, and its strategy of active investing and hedging. He also discussed the ongoing offer for Universal Music Group (UMG), stating the company has hired advisors and that the Bolloré Group has shown interest.

Key takeaways

  1. Pershing Square USA raised $5 billion, the sixth largest IPO in the last decade, and was oversubscribed, a first for a closed-end fund.
  2. Ackman claims Pershing Square's 22-year compound return is 19%, versus 14% for the next best closed-end fund.
  3. The IPO structure gives investors one share of Pershing Square Inc. for every five shares of PSUS, creating the 'IPO pop'.
  4. Ackman says the offer for UMG has traction, with the company hiring Citigroup and Paul Weiss as advisors.
  5. Ackman projects that with $26 billion in fee-paying assets compounding at historic rates, Pershing Square could reach $1 trillion in AUM in about 20 years.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$5 billion Amount raised in the Pershing Square USA IPO metric 6:07
25% Pershing Square's annual return over the last 8 years metric 3:40
7% Average equity closed-end fund return over the last 8 years metric 3:40
19% Pershing Square's 22-year compound annual return metric 8:35
14% Return of the next best performing closed-end fund over 22 years metric 8:35
24.9% Pershing Square's return over the last eight years metric 8:35
14.7% Return of the next best closed-end fund over the last eight years metric 8:35
$2.8 billion Largest cornerstone round ever raised from IPOs metric 7:56
$500 million Investment from a pension fund in the transaction metric 7:56
46X Growth of a $1 investment in Pershing Square over 22 years at the new fee structure metric 11:39

Chapters

  1. 0:00Rationale for the IPO
  2. 3:25Retail investor focus
  3. 3:40Closed-end fund structure and performance
  4. 6:00IPO size and oversubscription
  5. 8:27Trading expectations and governance
  6. 10:04Comparison to offshore fund
  7. 11:39Management company business model
  8. 12:51Fee structure and value proposition
  9. 13:49Investment strategy and hedging
  10. 15:11Universal Music Group offer

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 2:48So, why are you doing this now?
  2. 3:25And what's your sense of what demand is going to be like there?
  3. 4:07Yeah, I mean why the demand for retail? Why that?
  4. 5:01Yeah, why do they tend to trade at a discount, closed-end funds?
  5. 6:00How do you feel about the amount you raised?
  6. 8:27Well, how do you think it's going to trade then?
  7. 12:51And obviously, the management company is net of a 2% management fee. Right?
  8. 13:40But if you're a retail investor at home, you know, why buy this and not just buy the sort of concentrated positions that you are in, these stocks where they can just do that and not pay the management fee?
  9. 15:11Can you tell us why you think you have any traction?
Carl 0:00 ↗
It's Carl. All right. Take a look down here at the big board today. Bill Ackman signing the book ahead of his IPOs, Pershing Square going public, making its debut. We'll talk to him later this morning in the 10:00 a.m. hour. Opening bell coming up in less than 5 minutes. Stay with us.
David Faber 0:18 ↗
As we mentioned before the break, Bill Ackman's Pershing Square is set to go public and ring the opening bell here at the big board today. It will start trading as a direct listing under PS. A new closed-end fund known as Pershing Square USA will also debut after raising 5 billion at 50, trade under PSUS. Ackman will join us in the next hour. Largest closed-end offering, Jim, in US history.
Jim Cramer 0:40 ↗
Well, I think it will attract a lot of attention. Bill's got a fast-standing person, David, high-profile. Yeah, I mean I think the key question simply will be how's it going to trade? You know, a closed-end fund, how will it trade? He obviously long-term has a very strong track record. But these things don't tend to trade that well. And so we will see, but we'll have an opportunity to talk about it.
David Faber 1:03 ↗
You know, it's funny. I was thinking about where Blue Owl is. Different model. And I'm surprised that Blue Owl has not rallied at all. It just hasn't made a move, despite the fact that the others have come back. And when you ask me about things that are worrisome that I want to know more about, I'd like to see why that stock hangs at eight and can't do more. Why they don't do more. Because it's been a pretty robust, pretty robust. Although UBS had some comments today about private credit risk. You didn't want to see any dislocation on their end.
Jim Cramer 1:42 ↗
I know. I mean, look, I mean, David, we know that Jamie has been more effusive of late that there's something going to be wrong. I still think that that one is the one I want to talk about.
Carl 2:00 ↗
Let's get to the opening bell this morning. That's a big bell on Wall Street. It's Pershing Square USA and Pershing Square Inc. celebrating their combined IPOs. Nasdaq in Times Square, the Women's Bond Club focused on advancing women in financial services. And it's Cboe Chicago. The high school for agriculture and sciences from the Chicago public school system. So, Jim, one good question for the morning is how Brett can be at 116 and the VIX below 18.
Well, let's get to the big event here at the NYSE today. Bill Ackman's Pershing Square debuting this morning in a combined IPO for both its new closed-end fund and the investment management firm. Joining us now first on CNBC is Pershing Square CEO Bill Ackman. Welcome. Good to see you.
Bill Ackman 2:47 ↗
Thank you.
Carl 2:48 ↗
Congratulations. So, why are you doing this now? Taking these companies public.
Bill Ackman 2:52 ↗
Well, actually, I'm an American investor, running an American company, and I invest in American companies. But we don't have a way for US investors to invest with us. We didn't until today. And by bringing Pershing Square USA public, we create a way for anyone who can buy one share to invest with our firm. And it's sort of the democratization of capitalism. Something I feel very good about. You know, hedge funds are sort of known for managing money for rich people. And now we have the opportunity for someone with $50 can be a long-term shareholder.
David Faber 3:25 ↗
I mean, that was a big deal for you, getting retail investors involved in this. You did a YouTube presentation. You did I think a podcast with Vlad Tenev of Robinhood and got some allotment there. Why retail investors? And what's your sense of what demand is going to be like there?
Bill Ackman 3:40 ↗
Well, this is a very unusual, while we basically, we took the body of a closed-end fund, but we look nothing like other closed-end funds in terms of scale, in terms of governance, in terms of strategy, in terms of performance. You know, the average equity closed-end fund over the last 8 years has generated a 7% return. We've generated a 25% return over the same period per annum. All right, so it's a very different kind of animal.
David Faber 4:07 ↗
And why now? Or I'm sorry, your question? Yeah, I mean why the demand for retail? Why that?
Bill Ackman 4:12 ↗
That was the point I was trying to make, which is typical closed-end fund 99% of the buyers are retail. It's really like a financial product, financial advisors and they put it in a client's portfolio. This was a, we did this like a traditional IPO. 80-plus percent of the investors are actually institutions. Most of them family offices, pension funds, insurance companies, very sophisticated investors. None of them had ever before invested in a closed-end fund. So, we took this structure, which is an amazing structure. People, I'd never looked at closed-end funds. What's unique about closed-end funds? You can buy minority stakes in companies. You can buy controlling stakes in companies. You can use derivatives to hedge risk. And there's only one layer of tax. Typical corporation, there's corporate tax and then there's tax when you pay a dividend. So, it's the most tax-efficient corporation, it's the most flexible corporation, but no one's ever used it for the purpose we're using it for.
David Faber 5:01 ↗
Yeah, why do they tend to trade at a discount, closed-end funds?
Bill Ackman 5:04 ↗
Because they're passive collections of securities with fees. That should trade at a discount. But don't blame the closed-end fund industry for, don't blame the structure for the performance. And the analogy I would make, go back to the 1970s, a whole bunch of real estate investment trusts were launched. They all traded at discounts. Why? Because the sponsorship was weak, because the performance was weak, because the asset quality was poor. And then in the early '90s, I'm sure Carl will remember, Sam Zell took public one of the first multi-billion dollar professionally managed real estate companies and he chose to do it in a REIT. And people were like, 'Sam, why would I invest in REIT? REITs trade at discounts.' He said, 'No, no, not this one.' And REITs traded at big premiums particularly in the '90s because lower cost capital in public markets, liquidity, and what does Sam have? He had best in class governance, he had best in class performance, and best in class asset quality. That's what we're doing. We're kind of the rebirth of the closed-end investment company universe.
David Faber 6:00 ↗
How do you feel about the amount you raised? I think $5 billion was about half of as much as you were aiming for, as much as $10 billion.
Bill Ackman 6:07 ↗
Aiming is not the right word. So, we were giving, actually, it's a very unusual offering. We've, all we talked about is Pershing Square USA, but it's part of this. Two years ago, we came to market. What we heard from people is they liked the structure, they liked the governance, liked the track record, they liked the sponsor. But they're like, 'Why should I invest on the first day? Just going to be a pile of cash. Hard to get a pile of cash to trade up on the first day.' Retail loved it. Financial advisors loved it, but the institutions you need to do a large-scale offering are used to an IPO that pops, you know, it goes up 10, 15, 20% the first day. So, that's why I scrapped it. I said, 'I'm going to come back with something better.' That was '24. It was '24, and it's actually my wife's idea. I went home and complained to her it's going to be a $2 billion offering. I thought it could be 10. She said, 'Well, is there something else you could give them?' And I said, 'Sweetheart, that's a really good idea.' And so, what we're doing is we're giving a piece of the GP, the management company, the entity that receives fees from the funds. And it's like a gift with purchase. And so, for every five shares you buy of PSUA as in the IPO, you get one share of what we call Pershing Square Inc. So, the IPO pop comes from the receipt of another security. It's almost like buying stock in an IPO and getting an immediate spin-off of another company. Once we had that, we were able to create an offering that was oversubscribed, which has never happened. There's no such thing as an oversubscribed closed-end fund offering because they take every dollar of demand. In this case, we cut back the institutions very significantly in the offering. We let the retail investors get every dollar of, it's usually the retail gets cut massively back and the institutions are favored. We did the opposite. Now, we picked the best in class institutions. But just to give you context, a $5 billion offering is the sixth largest IPO in the last decade. It's like the 20th largest IPO in American history. So, you're not disappointed.
Carl 7:45 ↗
Mother, I asked the bankers. I said, 'When was the last time you worked on a five, have you ever worked on a five billion dollar plus offering?' And only a couple of people out of a group of 60 have raised their hands. So, this is, there's a lot of bigger ones coming though very soon as you well know.
Bill Ackman 7:56 ↗
I mean, SpaceX could be a lot bigger obviously. But in this universe, I mean, permanent capital, you know, this has never happened before. And you know, so I think it's a great thing for, obviously we have some of the wealthiest investors in the world. We have a, you know, 200 billion dollar family office that invests in this transaction. We have a pension fund that invested 500 million dollars in this transaction. This was the, you know, the 2.8 billion cornerstone round is the largest amount of committed capital ever raised from IPOs. We broke a lot of records here. And ultimately at the end of the day it's going to be about the performance long term. But you know, this is a pretty...
David Faber 8:27 ↗
Well, how do you think it's going to trade then? I mean, to that point.

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