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Jeffrey Gundlach
CEO & Founder, DoubleLine Capital

Gundlach breaks down 2020 presidential candidates

🎥 Dec 11, 2019 📺 CNBC Television ⏱ 4m 👁 7363 views
Jeffrey Gundlach, DoubleLine Capital CEO, sits down with CNBC's Scott Wapner at Doubleline Capital HQ in Los Angeles to discuss the 2020 presidential candidates.
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About Jeffrey Gundlach

Jeffrey Gundlach, CEO and CIO of DoubleLine Capital, has been a frequent commentator on Federal Reserve policy and private credit markets in recent months. Following the June 2026 FOMC press conference by new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh, Gundlach described the event as the start of a "new era" and noted that Warsh repeated the phrase "we will deliver price stability" more than any other. Gundlach said Warsh's decision to create five task forces rather than move rates suggested no rate action until at least the fall, and he expressed skepticism about the inflation framework task force, saying it could open the door to measurement techniques that "conveniently engineer a path to declaring price stability." In earlier appearances, Gundlach stated that the odds of a rate hike by year-end 2026 were "better than the odds of a cut" and that he saw "no chance" the Fed would cut rates in 2026. Gundlach has also been a vocal critic of the private credit market, drawing parallels to the 2007 financial crisis. He argued that a "decline or elimination of trust" is already underway, citing a fund that was marked at 100 and then overnight at 81 as an example of questionable reporting. He described the industry's claim that illiquidity is a feature as "laundered volatility" and predicted that redemption requests from interval funds would surge around the "Ides of June." Gundlach said he had a "really hard time thinking about a government bailout" for private credit, noting that "this is the richest guys in the world making money in the Wild West." On markets, he recommended a 20% position in commodities and said he would "buy gold with both hands" if it fell to $3,500, after having predicted gold would go above $4,000 by the end of 2025.

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Transcript (13 segments)
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Interviewer0:00
You'll probably get credit until the end of time for your prediction that Trump would win before the primaries started. I said, okay, so now what happens in 2020?
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Jeffrey Gundlach0:06
Well, the base case right now is Trump is going to win re-election. That's the base case right now because the Democratic Party is kind of in disarray, it seems to me. I mean, you look at the polling and we've been at this now for what, nine months, ten months or something like that since some of these candidates got in, and there isn't a single candidate that has captivated the imagination of the Democratic Party.
You've got Joe Biden who they say is durable because he's not collapsing in terms of his polling, but he's also not going up. If you're really going to be a front-runner, you need to show some momentum, and Joe Biden has been basically at the same level since before he announced, really. And he just doesn't seem—it just doesn't seem like it would be enjoyable to watch the decimation of Joe Biden in a one-on-one debate with Donald Trump. I just don't think that he can formulate paragraphs the way he used to, and when you see him in the debates, so I just don't think that he's viable.
And then you start going to the Socialists. Bernie is also completely flatlined. Bernie, you know what you're going to get. I give him a lot of credit for bouncing back from that heart attack. I mean, he came back and he was exactly the same guy two weeks after a heart attack. Gotta give him credit for that, but there's nothing new there and he isn't going anywhere in the polls.
Elizabeth Warren, once you go from 52 cents to win a dollar, which is where she was a couple of months ago—I'd look at today, but I think she was at 14 cents at one moment yesterday—when you go from 52 to 14, you don't recover. It's over. So it's over for her.
Then you've got Pete Buttigieg. When I heard that the mayor of South Bend, Indiana was running for president, I literally laughed out loud. But then I heard him speak and he is good. He is a great speaker. He's probably the best on his feet of any politician since Ronald Reagan. He is so good. However, he's so young. I just have a hard time believing you go from mayor of a city of 102,000 people—how many votes did he get when he ran for mayor of South Bend, Indiana? 12,000, maybe 15,000? I mean, a big step to go from 15,000 votes to 60 million votes. And I just think he looks—he just looks so young. He's 37, he looks like he's in his 20s.
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Interviewer2:22
You're leaving out, of course, a big name and the newest entry into the race: Bloomberg.
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Jeffrey Gundlach2:28
Yeah, he has no chance. I just think there's no chance there. I think that he, right out of the gate, has a lot of big problems. The first is I don't think mayor of New York City is a great credential for running for the president. New York is a unique place. It's kind of like Kamala Harris—they said, oh, she's senator from California, so that means that she's got a springboard. No, California is different from the rest of the country, and New York City is more like California than the rest of the country. And Bloomberg with his stop-and-frisk, that's a problem. That's a really big problem. And with his regressive taxes on the poor for sodas and other manipulative types of behavior manipulation taxes, I don't think that's going to work. And also, it's tough when you're already late to the game. So I give him very little chance, even with his $50 billion. I don't think that's a positive in the Democratic Party today where vilification of wealth is a common theme. It seems like a delicious irony that one of the people that's running is the like eighth richest guy in the world with 50-odd billion dollars. It just seems so out of step with the tone of the party. I have a hard time believing it.
I think, though, the strongest Democratic candidate would be Hillary Clinton.
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Interviewer3:44
Now, you said that on the webcast yesterday. You were serious?
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Jeffrey Gundlach3:50
I am serious. She's the strongest candidate the Democrats have. That doesn't mean that she's a great candidate. It just shows the fractured nature of the party and the consequences of that fracturing. It's really two or three parties. The Democratic Party here in 2020 is very much like the Republican Party pre-Trump was in 2016. It was a whole bunch of kind of, you know, non-impressive candidates that were somehow trying to fit themselves into a mold without a real overarching ideology. I think that's sort of the problem there. So the base case really is that Donald Trump is going to win re-election.
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Interviewer4:28
Who are you supporting?
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Jeffrey Gundlach4:29
I don't support political candidates.