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Harvey Schwartz
Chief Executive Officer & Director, CARLYLE GROUP INC

How Carlyle and Red Bull build winning cultures under pressure

📅 Jun 08, 2026 Axios Live and Axios 14 MIN 27 VIEWS 45 SEGMENTS · 3 SPEAKERS
What does it take to build a championship-caliber organization? Carlyle CEO Harvey Schwartz and Oracle Red Bull Racing team principal and CEO Laurent Mekies Mekies join Axios' Sara Fischer for a conversation on leadership, performance, culture and the partnership between global finance and Formula One. They discuss why winning organizations are ultimately people businesses, how trust drives results and what leaders can learn from operating under constant pressure. Schwartz explains why performance remains the ultimate metric for any institution, while Mekies shares how Red Bull evaluates suc...

What Harvey Schwartz said

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Harvey Schwartz, CEO of Carlyle Group, explained why Carlyle partnered with Oracle Red Bull Racing in Formula 1. He cited a three-part decision: F1's global reach and young, over 40% female audience; the brand's excellence; and the personal connection with team principal Laurent Mekies. Schwartz noted Carlyle manages $500 billion and was founded in 1987. He praised Mekies' leadership, claiming the team's performance improved 'instantaneously' after Mekies took over, joking it coincided with Carlyle's sponsorship. Schwartz emphasized that performance is Carlyle's sole metric as a fiduciary. He predicted Oracle Red Bull would win the weekend race and the constructors' and drivers' championships for the next five years. He also acknowledged the sport's explosive global growth with over 800 million fans, comparing it to the growth of private capital as public companies in America halved from 2,000. Schwartz stressed the importance of trust and personal connections in business.

Key takeaways

  1. Carlyle manages $500 billion in assets and chose to partner with Oracle Red Bull Racing due to F1's global, young, over 40% female audience.
  2. Schwartz predicted Oracle Red Bull will win this weekend's race and both championships for the next five years.
  3. Schwartz said performance is the sole metric for Carlyle as a fiduciary, and all good things happen when you perform.
  4. Schwartz noted the number of public companies in America halved from 2,000, showing the growth of private capital.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$500 billion Assets managed by Carlyle Group metric 0:12
over 40% Share of F1 audience that is female metric 0:12
800 million Global F1 fan base metric 5:29
2,000 Number of public companies in America historically metric 5:29
5 years Timeframe for Oracle Red Bull to win both championships commitment 11:39

Chapters

  1. 0:00Why Carlyle partnered with F1
  2. 0:12People business and personal connection
  3. 4:36Synergy with Oracle Red Bull
  4. 9:11Performance as sole metric
  5. 11:31Race predictions and championship ambitions

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:00Why did you want to even get involved with F1 to begin with?
  2. 4:36Harvey, is that the way that you see the synergy in the missions? Is there something I'm missing?
  3. 9:11What's sort of the key performance indicator?
  4. 11:31What are your race predictions for the weekend? Do you have any?
  5. 13:32we can do it in an ambulance. Why don't we rebrand it?
Interviewer 0:00 ↗
Thank you so much for being here. So, let's start with you then, Harvey. Why partner with Laurent and with the folks over at the team? Why did you want to even get involved with F1 to begin with?
Harvey Schwartz 0:12 ↗
Yeah. So, for us it was, I mean, you could boil it down really to a three-part decision-making process. Firstly, we could be involved in a lot of sports, but F1 first and foremost was a natural fit. It's global, the demographics, the young audience, it's more than 40% female, and it's global. And we're a global firm, we manage $500 billion on behalf of people really of all ages. We're one of the largest in the world at doing it. That was one. Two, we wanted to be attached to an extraordinary brand, extraordinary people, that were focused on excellence. That clearly was Oracle Red Bull Racing. And then I think the most important part of all these things, because you can see here on this incredible venue, this is a people business. And even in a day and age where technology drives everything, this is a people business, it requires connection. And as soon as we connected with Laurent and the rest of the team, it was quite natural. And it's been quite natural. You know, he and I text over the holidays, and I ask how his family's doing, and it was just a very, very natural instantaneously. I don't think we felt the personal connection and the focus on excellence was a prerequisite, but the personal connection made it special for us. And we've learned a lot along the way. I mean, I think David walked out, but I mean, who knew that David was born to race, because he told me last time we talked about that he was actually born in the back of a Mercedes because his parents didn't make it to the hospital. I was like, 'Wow, that's really fascinating.' And Laurent was with me, he goes, 'You were really born in the back of a Mercedes?' He goes, 'No, it's true. Born in the back of a Mercedes.' That's not a preferred vehicle, but where the Ford is, so not Ford, obviously. But it's the people connection part, I think, on top of all the other parts that make it truly special for us.
Interviewer 2:01 ↗
And Laurent, Harvey spoke at such length about your chemistry. Did you feel that when you met Harvey as well?
Laurent Mekies 2:08 ↗
Straight away. Also because...
Interviewer 2:09 ↗
It's a love story over here.
Laurent Mekies 2:11 ↗
You know what? I think we met about three or four days after I joined. And he said, 'If you don't win the next race, we don't make the deal.'
Harvey Schwartz 2:20 ↗
Yeah, and then he guaranteed to win the balance of the season, which he pretty much did. And that was, you know, part of the contract, so that was fulfilled. So we felt quite good about it.
Laurent Mekies 2:33 ↗
So, but Dr. Marko said he's actually true. We met only a few days after I actually had joined Oracle Red Bull Racing. I think what resonates specifically with what Harvey said is we choose one by one our partners in order to create a competitive advantage. That's the only thing we do. We are here to win races. That's the only brief we get from our shareholders. And in order to win races in such a competitive environment against all the other giants of the industry, you need to make sure you surround yourself with the right people. Harvey said it's fundamentally a people business. You get the right people, you win the races. You don't get the right people, you don't win the races. And that's...
Interviewer 3:18 ↗
People see the people in the paddock, but how many people are working on the car?
Laurent Mekies 3:24 ↗
On the car?
Interviewer 3:25 ↗
In your organization.
Laurent Mekies 3:26 ↗
So, you know, Oracle Red Bull Racing today is 2,000 people to look to invent, design, produce these two cars. And since this year the Red Bull Ford powertrain, our own power unit. So, it shows that we tend to take things a bit too seriously, but I know you guys do as well at Carlyle. And you know, that's really the other point of connections. We, as soon as we engaged the conversations with Harvey and his teams, we realized that we were actually in an incredibly similar business. We live and die with our performance. We need to have obviously the visions for our team, our company to get to the right place, but we get the shockwaves of the race weekends. The emotions about the short-term wins, the short-term losses, and it's very, very similar to what Harvey is doing with his teams. And fundamentally, we are a data business with an incredibly crucial layer of human intelligence on top. And every time we are opening a small box together, we were realizing how much, in a similar way, we had to build our companies in order to excel.
Interviewer 4:36 ↗
Another synergy I see between the two companies is that you're both focused on democratizing access. So, from the Carlyle POV, to me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it feels as though you're trying to democratize access to the private markets. From the Red Bull perspective, it's democratizing access to this. I mean, only so many people can actually come to Monaco, but there are F1 fans around the world. Harvey, is that the way that you see the synergy in the missions? Is there something I'm missing?
Harvey Schwartz 5:04 ↗
Maybe. I mean, our industry, David Rubenstein and Bill Conway and Daniel founded Carlyle in 1987. Very young initially, we were really the pioneers. They were the venture capitalists of this industry. We're one of the largest, the most successful, the most iconic, we're global. This has been around a long time. You know, Monaco, I think the first Grand Prix was 1929, and it became part of the Formula 1 Constructors' Championship in 1950, if I'm getting my history correct. Is that correct?
Laurent Mekies 5:28 ↗
It's incredibly accurate.
Harvey Schwartz 5:29 ↗
So, they've been doing this for a long time. I'd say the trajectory, you heard David talking about it, the trajectory of Formula 1 now is explosive. And I think our industry, Carlyle being part of it, has also continued to grow. So, it went from what was considered private equity to different parts of the asset class. Along the way, we lost half the public companies in America. They went from 2,000, there were twice as many public companies as today. So, private capital plays a big role. So, it's sort of a natural evolution. I think it's coincidental. I don't think there's any correlation that, you know, this sport is exploding globally with over 800 million fans and the movie Formula 1 and everything having with Drive to Survive. But, because of that it fits. It fits quite well because of all the things I said before. All the viewer attention and really just being able to be in this room with everybody. It's pretty special.
Interviewer 6:18 ↗
And Laurent, from your point of view, Oracle Red Bull is doing so much to democratize the sport thinking about fan engagement outside of this. I know this is critical and this room, this partnership is critical. But, can you just walk us through some of the things you're thinking about to help others experience the F1 race if they can't be here?
Laurent Mekies 6:36 ↗
Of course, it's very much at the heart of the DNA of the involvement of Red Bull in Formula 1. You know, of course there is these 24 races that you see all over the world, fine. But, as you say, many, many people, even though the reach is incredible right now, we still think that many, many people will not see a Grand Prix weekend if we only stick to being at the race weekend and putting it on air. So, we do pretty much the same number of Grand Prix in the city center all over the world as road shows in the heart of the biggest city in the world. And obviously, we take the other sport to an audience that would probably not come to the race. Will learn about the sport by seeing David, for example, was there earlier, by seeing one of our drivers running a Formula 1 car in the city center. And we get, you know, 50, 60, 70,000 people coming to attend this road show. You don't need a Formula 1 ticket to do that. And this is how we engage with the next generation of fans. This is how we engage a wider reach for the sport and we think it's very much our target to make sure we contribute to the growth of the sport in that way.
Interviewer 7:56 ↗
For you as a leader, how important is it to make sure that you're perceived as being accessible? Well, they you win, of course.
Laurent Mekies 8:07 ↗
[laughter]
Interviewer 8:08 ↗
Okay, well, you can answer that. How important is it that they win? I think we all know. But also, how important is it that people know and understand the role that you're playing to help democratize the sport as a leader?
Laurent Mekies 8:19 ↗
You know, at first I go back to Alistair's comments. It is true. The only thing that matters is doing. If we win, everything else gets sorted. So, you know, that's the way we look at it at the factory. You win, everything else gets sorted. Your global audience is reached. You democratize the sport. You do more and more road shows, etc. So, we don't care too much about leadership style. We only care about building the right cultures, the right environment, the right connection and this is where Carlyle is helping us immensely. As the right connections in order to have our people in a position where they can express their talent at best and fundamentally brings performance to our business. And that's really how much focus we are on that single aspect.

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  author       = {Harvey Schwartz},
  title        = {How Carlyle and Red Bull build winning cultures under pressure},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Axios Live and Axios. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {jun},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/973344/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}