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Emanuel Chirico
Former Chairman & Chief Executive Officer, PVH CORP

Target's value message is not as strong as Walmart's, hence divergence, says BCI Brands' Chirico

🎥 Nov 21, 2024 📺 CNBC Television ⏱ 3m 👁 2347 views
Manny Chirico, BCI Brands chairman and former PVH chairman and CEO, joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the current state of retail following Walmart and Targets's earnings, if the holiday season will positively impact these companies, and much more. For access to live and exclusive video from CNBC subscribe to CNBC PRO: https://cnb.cx/42d859g » Subscribe to CNBC TV: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBCtelevision » Subscribe to CNBC: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBC Turn to CNBC TV for the latest stock market news and analysis. From market futures to live price updates CNBC is the leader in business news...
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About Emanuel Chirico

Emanuel Chirico, former chairman and CEO of PVH, discussed the company's response to the coronavirus pandemic and social justice issues in a June 2020 CNBC interview. He described the U.S. as being "ripped apart by systemic racism" and said PVH needed to improve in recruiting, training, and representation at leadership levels, stating the company would set "meaningful targets" within three months. Chirico also addressed inventory challenges, noting that 2020 would be "a mess" and that the company aimed to manage cash and inventory to be competitive in 2021. He mentioned that PVH had $1.8 billion in liquidity but had implemented furloughs and salary reductions due to shareholder pain. In earlier appearances, Chirico commented on trade policy and business performance. In December 2019, he said tariffs on apparel would result in higher costs for consumers and criticized the uncertainty of U.S.-China trade policy, noting that PVH had reduced its China sourcing for the U.S. from 35-40% to 10-15% over five years. In 2018, he described the business as the strongest he had seen in 25 years, with strong online growth and robust European performance. At a 2019 Concordia College event, Chirico said profitability was necessary for sustainability and that "made in America" was not practical for the apparel industry, arguing the U.S. should compete in high-tech robotics rather than labor-intensive garment production.

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Transcript (4 segments)
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Becky Quick0:02
Retail sector after strong earnings for the week and Target plunging. Now with us on the state of the consumer is Manny Tirico. He is the former Chairman and CEO of PVH. Manny, thank you for being with us this week. This is something a lot of people are trying to figure out. Is Walmart the outlier here or is Target? What do you think?
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Emanuel Chirico0:27
Becky, that's a great question. I think you also have to look at what's going on in the two companies. Walmart is clearly signaling to the consumer that they're delivering value, particularly in the food and household goods categories. The other thing Walmart has done really well over the last three years is they broadened the assortment of merchandise mix. It is much stronger today than three years ago. It has become a place where consumers are comfortable going shopping. Target, over the last three years, has had some challenges. Inventory is overly elevated and clearing new goods. Target's strength has been the brand assortment. Today, in this environment, that just doesn't carry enough weight and their value message is nearly not as strong as what you're seeing at Walmart. On top of that, when you just look at the numbers, the execution, inventory looks elevated going into the holiday season and there is a real concern there is continued margin pressure going through the fourth quarter which, obviously, has put profits at risk. I think the signal on the consumer, I mean, if you listen to the TJX call, they talked about a really strong start and I think you are hearing that message at a number of other retailers. So, I think it's going to be a mixed message and I think there are real winners and losers out there.
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Becky Quick2:01
In terms of having inventory and not having consumers show up for the discretionary areas like apparel. Brian Cornell said they expected consumers would show up in more force in the fall. That didn't happen. They're hoping it happens around the holiday season, but that will impact profits.
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Emanuel Chirico2:20
Becky, that's a great point. If you look at the back to school season, it started off relatively strong. August, early September and then the second half, the unseasonably warm weather put a tremendous amount of pressure on apparel, sweaters, cold weather apparel, boots. Those categories really struggled. There's been a resurgence in those categories starting the second week of November. Business has really improved, but I think what you'll see as these retailers start to report in the next week or two is a real indicator will be what inventory positions look like going into the holiday season and will they need to be much more promotional to move through goods as now the consumer is coming back. And another point, this holiday season, we're losing a week of selling between Thanksgiving and Christmas. This happens every five or six years.