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Jagtar Chaudhry
Co-Founder, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board, Zscaler

Zscaler $ZS Q2 2023 Earnings Call

🎥 Mar 02, 2023 📺 Earnings Call ⏱ 62m 👁 121 views
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About Jagtar Chaudhry

Jay Chaudhry, co-founder and CEO of Zscaler, has been discussing the cybersecurity implications of artificial intelligence, particularly the rise of AI agents and the impact of Anthropic's Mythos vulnerability-finding model. He described AI as a "giga wave" and argued that traditional security models based on firewalls and VPNs are outdated, advocating instead for a zero-trust architecture in which applications are hidden behind an exchange. Chaudhry stated that AI agents, which he said could number between 50 and 100 per user, represent a new security risk because they "act in milliseconds" and "take no break, no weekends, no sleep." He characterized Mythos as "powerful" but suggested its launch involved "a little bit of marketing mystique," and said that while it finds vulnerabilities at a record pace, the greater challenge is that organizations cannot patch all of them. On Zscaler's financial performance, Chaudhry noted that the company reported 25% revenue growth in its third fiscal quarter of 2026 and crossed $3.5 billion in market capitalization. He attributed a subsequent 28% stock decline to a "misunderstood" comment about new customer acquisition, and said the company expects total ARR and revenue growth of 16 to 17% for fiscal 2027. Chaudhry also announced the intent to acquire Symmetry Systems, a company that provides an access graph mapping identity and data connections, and said Zscaler is partnering with Microsoft, Google, and AWS for agent identity rather than building its own solution. He described AI and frontier models like Mythos as "one of the strongest tailwinds our business has ever seen."

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Transcript (96 segments)
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Operator0:00
Hello and welcome to Zscaler's second quarter fiscal year 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you would need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I would now like to hand the conference over to Bill Choi, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Finance. Sir, you may begin.
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Bill Choi0:40
Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the Zscaler second quarter fiscal year 2023 earnings conference call. On the call with me today are Jay Chaudhry, Chairman and CEO, and Remo Canessa, CFO. Please note that we have posted our earnings release and a supplemental financial schedule to our investor relations website. Unless otherwise noted, all numbers we talk about today will be on an adjusted non-GAAP basis. You will find the reconciliation of GAAP to the non-GAAP financial measures in our earnings release. I'd like to remind you that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements, including but not limited to the company's anticipated future revenue, calculated billings, operating performance, gross margin, operating expenses, operating income, net income, free cash flow, dollar-based net retention rate, future hiring decisions, remaining performance obligations, income taxes, earnings per share, our objectives and outlook, our customer response to our products, and our market opportunities. These statements and other comments are not guarantees of future performance but rather are subject to risk and uncertainty, some of which are beyond our control. These forward-looking statements apply as of today and you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future. We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call. For a more complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties, please see our filings with the SEC as well as in today's earnings release. I would also like to inform you that we'll be attending the following upcoming events in March: Morgan Stanley TMT Conference in San Francisco on March 6th, JMP Technology Conference in San Francisco on March 7th. Now I'll turn the call over to Jay.
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Jagtar Chaudhry2:31
Thank you, Bill. We delivered a solid Q2 despite economic challenges that have impacted the broader tech industry. For the quarter, our revenue grew 52% year-over-year and billings grew 34%. Billings were impacted by new customers being more deliberate about their large purchasing decisions at the start of the calendar year. These deals have not gone away and we have closed a few already in February. On the other hand, we had strong growth in our expansion business with existing customers increasing their deployments and adopting a broader platform. Once again, our dollar-based net retention rate was over 125%. We continue to delight our customers by accelerating their path to better security, business agility, and cost elimination, helping them solve some of their highest priorities. This drove our Net Promoter Score, or NPS, to a new high. Our NPS now exceeds 80, which is more than two times the average for SaaS companies. And today, more enterprises than ever before recognize Zscaler as the best choice to secure the digital transformation, strengthening my confidence in our $72 billion serviceable market opportunity. Our disciplined approach to growth is reflected in our strong operating profit and free cash flow, both of which doubled on a year-over-year basis. Our operating margin expanded by approximately four percentage points while our revenue also continues to grow at a very high rate. As the world's largest security cloud, we have outstanding unit economics with a stable high-90s gross retention rate and 80% gross margins. These best-in-class metrics are the results of our differentiated services, market leadership, and highly scalable multi-tenant cloud platform.
Let me share with you some of my observations about the environment and how we plan to manage our business for the remainder of 2023. With macro concerns weighing on business leaders, more organizations are being cautious and measured about their spending. In January, we saw a higher scrutiny on budgets compared to December, resulting in additional delays in large deals. These deals haven't gone away and customers are taking longer to make decisions and requiring additional approvals. In select instances where timing of budgets was a hurdle for new customers, we enabled them to ramp into larger subscription commitments. These strategic deals lowered our first-year billings but will grow into a higher annual run rate level in the second year. We typically have some ramp deals each quarter, but in Q2, the impact of ramp deals on our billings was higher. These ramp deals position us to expand the customer relationship over time to create long-term value. As we enter the second half of fiscal '23, we are expecting customer consciousness to continue. We have accounted for further lengthening of sales cycles and uncertain timing of large deals in our outlook. Even though our current pipeline has grown and has more mature deals, we are assuming a slight deterioration in close rates. While not immune to economic slowdowns, cybersecurity is relatively more resilient. In my conversations with hundreds of CIO executives, cybersecurity remains their organization's number one IT priority. Two weeks ago, we hosted a Zscaler Summit with CISOs from Global 2000 companies. They talked about the business need to innovate, become agile, and gain competitive advantage with security as the enabling foundation. They talked about the plans to shift to zero trust security to reduce attack surface and to adopt the direct-to-cloud architecture that Zscaler pioneered. Customers are excited by the new innovations being added to our platform and their engagement with us remains very strong. Given the large opportunity we see in front of us, we will keep on building and innovating while also increasing profitability across the board. After significantly growing our teams in recent years, we took a fresh look at our organization and found opportunities to streamline operations and to align people, roles, and projects to our strategic priorities. As a result of the review, we initiated our targeted cost optimization plan to drive additional operational efficiency that best positions us to deliver profitable growth. Remo will cover this in more detail.
As I mentioned before, I believe that periods of uncertainty can accelerate the adoption of disruptive technologies like ours. C-level leaders are telling me that technical debt of legacy network and security point products impedes progress and slows down business operations. By consolidating point products and embracing zero trust architecture with Zscaler, our customers are modernizing their security while reducing costs, giving them the competitive edge they need to succeed in today's rapidly evolving business environment. We have expanded our business value team to collaborate with customers to create CFO-ready business cases with clear ROI and payback periods that facilitate necessary deal approvals in today's environment. Customers can't afford to risk their mission-critical projects with immature offerings from unproven vendors. We are starting to see deal wins from customers who initially purchased a single-tenant SASE solution from the incumbent firewall vendor that failed to deliver in the real world. These customers were misguided by the flawed message: 'Keep on buying my boxes and use my so-called cloud service.' When your users are on the road or in a branch office, a single-tenant architecture, whether deployed as appliances or as virtual machines spun up in a public cloud, will not allow enterprises to fully realize the benefits of secure digital transformation. Every customer, large or small, has lots of firewalls in the data centers, but when it comes to zero trust security and digital transformation, they're choosing Zscaler because of our multi-tenant cloud architecture that scales and delivers business agility. Our Zero Trust Exchange is the largest inline security cloud in the world, processing over 280 billion transactions and preventing 9 billion security and policy violations per day. This massive amount of traffic provides us with more than 300 trillion signals per day to feed our machine learning and AI engines for better detection of user and application traffic anomalies, resulting in superior threat protection.
Our AI/ML capabilities are driving customer success at scale in the real world today. Let me share an example with you. In December, we helped a global 500 conglomerate experiencing a targeted cyber attack on one of its divisions. Our Threat Labs team worked closely with the customer to identify the root cause of the attack and act quickly to prevent any potential damage. Subsequently, this customer upgraded to our ZIA Transformation Bundle to prevent zero-day attacks and secure the entire ecosystem. This win highlights the value of our high-end product bundles and the benefits our Threat Labs research brings to our customers. I'm delighted to share that an increasing number of customers are purchasing our comprehensive platform capabilities, which not only accelerates the business value realization but also establishes us as a critical partner for their success. As I mentioned before, customers are increasingly buying Zscaler for Users, our complete platform for user protection which includes ZIA, ZPA, and ZDX bundled together. In addition, we're gaining traction with workload protection powered by the same core ZIA and ZPA technology. Thanks to new and existing customers purchasing these expanded bundles, we drove a 51% year-over-year growth in the number of customers with greater than $1 million in ARR, ending with nearly 380 of these customers. And over 30 of these customers have ARR greater than $5 million. Let me highlight three deals this quarter where the customers purchased all four product pillars. In a new logo win, our top 10 global identity software and services company purchased the Zscaler for Users bundle for 400,000 users, including our Advanced Data Protection suite, and our Zero Trust for Workloads for 3,000 workloads. This customer pursued a zero trust strategy due to their business growth resulting in a complex application and network environment and heightened risk from data sprawl. They selected Zscaler as the only scalable zero trust platform that reduces their attack surface and protects their sensitive data while bringing agility to their business. With an integrated platform, they will simplify their security operations by consolidating dozens of point products including firewalls, VPNs, VDIs, DLP, and CASB. By purchasing all four product pillars, the customer is making a platform bet on Zscaler to secure their users, workloads, and devices regardless of their location.
Next, in an exciting upsell win, a major auto manufacturer upgraded to Zscaler for Users bundle for 35,000 users and purchased Zero Trust for Workloads for 8,000 workloads. This platform purchase was driven by the customer's strategy to digitally transform their business operations, including management of their vast supply chain. In fact, we are helping them accelerate time to market for new EVs. Before purchasing ZPA, this customer experienced significant delays in commissioning new vehicles as third parties did not have fast and secure remote access for collaboration. By using ZPA and ZDX, they can now provision secure access to new third parties within a few days compared to over a month it used to take with legacy remote access technology. In addition, Zscaler for Users significantly reduced the risk of ransomware that the firewalls and VPNs allow. Finally, a global 500 pharmaceutical company upgraded from ZIA for 45,000 users to Zscaler for Users bundle for 85,000 users and purchased Zero Trust for Workloads for 2,000 workloads. They purchased all four product pillars to pursue a cloud-first strategy with zero trust security for all users and workloads. With this upsell, the annual spend of this existing million-dollar customer increased by 6x, with additional opportunity for workload protection as their public cloud usage grows.
Earlier I mentioned that in some instances we enable new customers to ramp to larger commitments. In one such new logo win, we are excited to partner with an innovative retail leader that's using facial recognition technology and cashless checkouts to redefine their future store experience. This is a significant win for us, and retail was a smaller vertical for us historically where we are now enabling new digital transformation possibilities. This retail company committed to an eight-figure total contract value for a multi-phase ramp to secure over 90,000 ZIA users, 20,000 ZPA users, and 400 petabytes per month of data from the 20,000 retail store operations. This customer had bought a firewall-based SASE solution which failed to scale as well as expanded their attack surface. Leveraging our highly scalable and reliable Zero Trust Exchange platform, they will use ZIA to create direct internet access for employee tablets and terminals while using ZPA to secure private access for store managers. Additionally, Zero Trust for Workloads will secure all traffic from cameras and controllers in the retail stores to the cloud. Workload protection accounts for approximately 40% of the total deal value. As these deals show, customers are embracing our expanded platform including our two emerging product pillars: ZDX for digital user experience management and Zscaler for Workloads for securing servers and workloads. These emerging products are on track to meet or exceed our full-year target of contributing high-teens percentage of new business. Our Zero Trust for Workload solution is roughly doubling year-over-year. In addition, our new CNAPP solution is generating significant customer interest. We made a call at CNCF Live in June. We launched our CNAPP solution called Zscaler Posture Control, which is an integrated solution that correlates vulnerabilities and risks across CSPM, CIEM, and infrastructure-as-code scanning. This quarter we had a Posture Control upsell win with a global 1000 engineering company for half a million dollar ACV to secure 5,000 workloads. Posture Control provided visibility across multi-cloud assets, remediated compliance violations, and revealed previously undetected high-risk vulnerabilities. We are proud that our Posture Control solution was recently recognized by research firm G2 in the leader quadrant based on independent peer reviews.
We are bringing more innovations to our customers than ever before. In our latest major cloud software release, we brought over 150 new features to market, including product innovations such as AI-powered phishing detection and dynamic risk-based access policy. We continue to drive both internal innovation and highly targeted acquisitions to expand our leadership in the SASE and zero trust security markets. As announced a few weeks ago, we acquired Canonic Security, an innovative startup in SaaS supply chain security which protects customer data in SaaS applications. For example, Google Suite could be sharing data with 30 other third-party connected SaaS apps that are posing significant risk of data breaches and data loss. Together with our inline DLP, browser isolation, auto-block CASB, and SSPM for SaaS posture management, Zscaler now provides unprecedented visibility and the most comprehensive data protection for SaaS applications and customer data. As we look ahead to the next few years, we are committed to driving broader adoption of our zero trust platform for users, workloads, and IoT/OT to maximize the value of our customers' secure digital transformation efforts. CIOs are telling me that they're using this challenging environment to drive change. ROI and cost optimization are becoming bigger priorities as they're being asked to do more with less. With our superior architecture and proven experience, we deliver measurable outcomes at the CxO level that are aligned with our customers' top priorities. Our business value proposition is resonating and more customers are consolidating multiple point products with our broader platform, which increases our wallet share with them. We believe that we are still in the early stages of a significant market opportunity to enable secure digital transformation and we are on track to achieve our $5 billion ARR goal. Now I'd like to turn over the call to Remo for our financial results.
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Remo Canessa21:16
Thank you, Jay. Our Q2 results exceeded our guidance on growth and profitability even as we managed through continued deal scrutiny and longer reviews. Revenue was $388 million, up 52% year-over-year and up 9% sequentially. ZPA product revenue was approximately 20% of total revenue, growing 74% year-over-year. From a geographic perspective, Americas represented 53% of revenue, EMEA was 32%, and APJ was 15%. From a new business perspective, EMEA grew strongly on a year-over-year basis despite continued macro challenges in the region. Our total calculated billings in Q2 grew 34% year-over-year to $494 million. Until we get more certainty around the macro environment, we believe looking at total billings on a sequential basis can be a relevant measure of our billings performance in the near term. On a sequential basis, billings grew 4.5% quarter-over-quarter. Our current billings grew 32% year-over-year, which includes the impact of the strategic deals with phased subscription ramps that Jay talked about earlier. For remaining performance obligations, or RPO, grew 44% from a year ago to $2.809 billion. The current RPO is 51% of the total RPO. Our dollar-based net retention rate was once again above 125%. We have a strong base of large enterprise customers which provides us with significant opportunity to upsell our broader platform. At the end of Q2, we had 378 customers with greater than $1 million in ARR, up 51% from 251 in the prior year. The continued strength of this metric speaks to the strategic role we play in our customers' digital transformation initiatives. We added 120 customers in the quarter with greater than $100,000 in ARR, ending the quarter at 2,337 such customers.
Returning to the rest of our Q2 financial performance, total gross margin of 80.4% is unchanged from the prior year. Our total operating expenses increased 6% sequentially and 44% year-over-year to $263 million, primarily due to higher compensation expenses. As we indicated last quarter, after exceeding our hiring plans in Q1, we moderated our pace of hiring in Q2. This contributed to a strong operating margin performance in the quarter, with operating margin increasing 380 basis points year-over-year to 12.6%, which exceeded our guidance. We're seeing the leverage in our financial model that is driven by our strong underlying unit economics. Our free cash flow margin was 16%. We continue to expect data center capex could be around the high single-digit percentage of revenue for the full year. We ended the quarter with over $1.9 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments. Next, let me provide more details about the targeted cost optimization plan that Jay mentioned. In the past 18 months, we've doubled the size of our team to approximately 5,900 employees as we invested aggressively based on strong market momentum. As we watched the macroeconomic uncertainty at the start of fiscal 2023 in the fall, we commented that if the business environment becomes more challenging, our business model allows us to adapt quickly and to deliver expanded operating profitability while we grow. With the announcement today, we're adapting to the changes we saw in Q2. This is a targeted optimization initiative to address inefficiencies in certain job functions and projects. As a result, we're reducing our workforce by approximately 3%. Most of the impact from these changes will be seen in Q3. It will take a charge of $8 to $10 million, mostly non-cash expenses. We'll continue to hire the best candidates in high-priority areas.
Now moving on to guidance modeling points. As a reminder, these numbers are all non-GAAP. For the third quarter of fiscal 2023, we expect revenue in the range of $396 million to $398 million, reflecting year-over-year growth of 38% to 39%. Gross margins of approximately 80%. Operating profit in the range of $55 million to $56 million. Net other income of $10 million. Income taxes of $4.5 million. Earnings per share of approximately $0.39, assuming 156 million fully diluted shares. Please note that starting fiscal 2023, we adopted the new accounting standard which requires the use of the if-converted method for calculating EPS to account for convertible notes. You will need to add back $360,000 in quarterly interest expense. For the full year fiscal 2023, we expect revenue in the range of $1.558 billion to $1.563 billion, or year-over-year growth of approximately 43%. Calculated billings in the range of $1.935 billion to $1.945 billion, or year-over-year growth of approximately 31%. For Q3, we're expecting billings to decline by approximately 9% sequentially compared to the mid-single-digit percentage declines we've seen over the last few years. This guidance incorporates the macro-related uncertainties that Jay mentioned in his comments. Operating profit in the range of $213 million to $250 million. Our guidance reflects approximately 350 basis points of operating margin improvement compared to last year, which is an increase in our prior guidance while growing revenue at above 40%. Income taxes of $18 million. Earnings per share in the range of $1.52 to $1.53, assuming approximately 156 million fully diluted shares. As noted earlier, to account for the convertible note in EPS, you will need to add back $1.4 million in annual interest expense.
Let me conclude with comments on our investment framework. We remain confident in our ability to deliver on our growth opportunity while increasing profitability. We will balance growth and profitability based on how our business is growing. The recurring nature of our business model gives us good visibility on top-line revenue and allows us to adapt quickly to changes in market conditions to deliver on our operating profit and margin goals. If the environment becomes more challenging, we will continue to prioritize profitability, leveraging our strong unit economics and driving efficiencies in our cost structure. In fiscal '23, as a result of our focus on operational efficiency, we're increasing our profitability in the second half to achieve a full-year operating margin of 13.7%, reflecting a 350 basis points expansion while revenue is still growing over 40%. If the environment improves, we'll prioritize growth. Our long-term investment framework still applies. If we are growing revenue faster than 30%, you can expect less than 300 basis points of margin expansion in the year. We remain confident of reaching 20% to 22% operating margin in the long term. The large market opportunity and customers increasingly adopting the broader platform will continue our disciplined approach to managing our business to maximize value for our shareholders. Operator, you may now open the call for questions.
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Operator29:24
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Due to limited time and several people in the queue, we ask that you limit yourself to one question. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Our first question comes from the line of Brad Zelnick with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
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Brad Zelnick30:06
Great, thank you so much for taking the question. Jay, I appreciate the backdrop is tough, we hear it from every company, but can you frame for us your outlook in terms of things within your control and things that aren't? And maybe also if you could comment on the integrity of the data that you looked at that underpins your confidence in Zscaler's competitive position in the market. Thank you.
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Jagtar Chaudhry30:29
All right, thank you. So if you look at the quarter, we found that our upsell was quite strong. Customers are loyal to us, they like our solution, so upselling becomes easier for us. In terms of challenging, new logos with large deals are more challenging as there was additional scrutiny and additional approvals needed. Other thing that worked well was the customers liked the fact that we're able to do consolidation with lots of point products, that clean architecture, and give them strong ROI. That thing has worked well for us. In terms of competitive positioning, we haven't really seen any change. In fact, I would say that on the higher end of the market, we actually feel like we are stronger than even before because we have established that we actually have the right architecture, right solutions with thousands of customers well deployed and very happy customers. We're beginning to see that some of the solutions that are sold by firewall vendors as SASE solutions, when customers can't deploy them, they are falling apart. You know, I have been asked many times in the past two years, 'Hey, are you replacing some of our firewall-based solutions?'
And I used to give is I haven't seen very many out there and I'll be a big need to see some of them. A large retailer I mentioned on my call with 20,000 stores tried for about 18 months to deploy the firewall-based SASE solution, so to speak, and eventually gave up, and we are really taking care of it. The other thing I would mention is Remo has often said we can adjust our business model as needed. As the environment is getting tighter, we are adjusting our model by slowing down hiring. Our unit economic cost is very high, so you're seeing expansion in gross margins and operating margins, sorry, operating margins, which investors do like to see. Lastly, my confidence is coming from hundreds of customer calls I made. We had 80 CSOs with us for two days doing an exchange. All of these guys I have deployed have done a great job. They understand the architecture. The more the word spreads out there, a better understanding of the architecture, the more they're able to fend off the FUD being spread by competitors. So I'm very comfortable in our ability to stay far ahead of the competition.
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Operator33:12
Thank you very much for the added color and thanks for taking the question.
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Jagtar Chaudhry33:16
Thank you.
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Operator33:18
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sterling Auty with MoffettNathanson. Your line is open.
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Sterling Auty33:34
Yeah, thanks. Hi guys. I'm just kind of curious, Jay, when you look at the business, can you give us a high-level sense of how much of the business in the quarter is replacement of legacy security solutions where cost savings is a driving factor, and how much of the business is actually brand new implementations to enable some sort of project where maybe it's a little bit riskier in these tighter budgetary times?
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Jagtar Chaudhry34:03
As you know, every company has some kind of legacy solution for internet gateway or even VPN access. Those are the two starting points for us. The idea is to replace some kind of firewall or VPN. We started replacing some kind of VPN, then expands from there. So almost all business we do starts by replacing something, except for add-on upsells. So if you look at add-on upsells, that means we may have ZIA, some pieces deployed, we may be upselling to replace another vendor or some other stuff. So almost all business is replacement for us. You will call some of the stuff expansion. For example, when customers want to have direct access to applications sitting in Azure and AWS without going through the data center, we're still replacing some of the stuff sitting in the data center and some of the direct connects they may have bought. So it's replacement of a bunch of products into a few superior offerings. That's really where the savings come from. That's where the simplicity and operational ease comes from.
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Sterling Auty35:21
Got it. Thank you.
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Operator35:24
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Nowinski with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
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Andrew Nowinski35:44
Great, thank you. Good afternoon everyone. So I just want to ask about those ramp deals that you talked about. Just wondering if you could quantify how much those deals would have added to billings in Q2 if they were a normal deal versus ramping over time. And also, are customers contracted to spend a certain amount that was deferred, or can they still back out of that ramp piece of it? Thanks.
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Remo Canessa36:07
Yeah, so they're contractually obligated to the ramps, and the ramps are strategic. You know, if they talked about with large deployments, you know, we are seeing more ramps. The impact on billings is probably a couple percentage points is what you can think. But again, you know, with large customers, large deployments, buying more of our platform, you know, ramps were more in cadence.
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Jagtar Chaudhry36:31
If I may add, I mean, you look at it as a strategic investment on our part to help customers get started and manage their cash flow investments in year one by deferring some of that stuff through ramps.
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Andrew Nowinski36:47
Understood. Thank you.
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Operator36:50
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Henderson with Needham & Company. Your line is open.
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Alex Henderson37:04
Great, thank you so much. So I was actually interested in asking about the ramps as well, but I also wanted to put it in context to the duration. You know, in the calculated billings numbers, can you give us some sense of, you know, the magnitude of each of those? I guess a couple of percent on the ramps, but if I look at the ramps, don't you get all of that back in a couple of quarters once they get past the initial start date? So isn't that actually just a timing issue?
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Remo Canessa37:40
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right, Alex. I mean, the ramps are a timing issue. You know, lower billings up front and higher billings, you know, later, you know, based on the ramp. You know, related to the billing duration, you know, there was a slightly favorable in Q2. If you look at our billings, calculated billings, they're 34, short-term billings were 32. You know, that's generally what you can think about the favorableness really to.
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Alex Henderson38:09
Great, thank you.
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Operator38:11
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Roger Boyd with UBS. Your line is open.
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Roger Boyd38:27
Hey, thanks for taking the questions. I wonder if I could poke at the efficiency versus capacity debate. I know you reiterated the $5 billion long-term goal and Jay, your confidence in the market opportunity. But if you do see conditions improve, how do you think about sales capacity heading into fiscal '24 and your ability to accelerate growth to an agile pace? Thanks.
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Remo Canessa38:50
Yeah, and that's a great question. We are a growth company. You know, we feel that the market opportunity is huge. You know, $5 billion is still, you know, what we are shooting for. You know, we saw this as, you know, based on comments I made, we've increased our headcount almost 100 over an 18-month period. And we saw, you know, basically inefficiencies in our organizations. That's why, you know, we're doing this cost optimization. Having said that, you know, our selling capacity remains very strong and we continue, we are going to continue to invest in our selling capacity as we go forward into the second half. So if we are going to moderate hiring throughout the company, but our focus is still selling capacity and R&D development.
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Jagtar Chaudhry39:39
Yeah, so we are still selectively going to hire, adding sales reps as well as core engineering team members, and we expect our year-end headcount to be higher than the headcount today.
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Roger Boyd39:59
Perfect, thank you.
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Operator40:01
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Joel Fishman with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
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Joel Fishman40:17
Thank you for taking my question. Hey Remo, just on the billings guidance, if you could just give us a characterization of, you know, how you would, you know, say is it conservative, is it based on what you're seeing today, it getting worse, the environment being worse? Getting a lot of questions on that, be happy to hopefully get any color you have on that. Thank you.
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Remo Canessa40:42
Yes, I mean, thanks for asking the question, Joel. So, you know, if there was an elongation of the sales cycle, you know, so we're, you know, basically, you know, baking into that to our second half, you know, slightly worse, not a lot, but slightly worse from what we saw in Q2. So a little more conservatism, you know, related to our billings guidance than the past. And we are assuming that current levels of these deal slippages will continue.
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Joel Fishman41:09
Thank you very much, appreciate it.
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Operator41:12
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Colville with Scotiabank. Your line is open.
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Patrick Colville41:27
Hey team, thank you for taking my question. So I guess I'd like to ask about the sales changes that we discussed last quarter on the call. You know, is the slowdown we're seeing, you know, have any bearing on the sales changes that were made earlier in the fiscal year, or has that process been kind of wrapped up and that's in the background now?
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Jagtar Chaudhry41:59
Patrick, as we made changes to our Enterprise segment, the lower end of the mid-market segment at the start of the year, and we have new geo leaders, those changes are behind us. They're done. If you want to know bearing on Q2 numbers, okay. So the main thing we're seeing at the highest level is some of the macro conditions that are impacting from the higher and larger deals. The low end of the market segments, Enterprise and Commercial, they actually have done quite well. There's no impact there.
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Patrick Colville42:35
Okay, that's very clear. Thank you so much.
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Operator42:38
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Saket Kalia with Barclays. Your line is open.
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Saket Kalia42:53
Okay, great. Hey guys, thanks for taking my question here. Remo, maybe for you, can we just dig into the ramp deals just a little bit more? And maybe specifically, are these deals that take multiple years to ramp up to their sort of normal run rate on average, or are these things that maybe come back in the next couple of quarters? And relatedly, are you assuming a similar mix of ramp deals in the second half as you think about the conservatism in that guide?
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Remo Canessa43:26
So, you know, it's not multiple years. You know, it's shorter than that. Also, you know, related to what are we thinking of ramps in Q3 and the second half, similar to what we saw in Q2. You know, again, as we talked about, deals are getting bigger, buying more of our platform. It is a, you know, very, it's a strategic, you know, buy for, you know, large companies, you know, regarding the architectures they're out there today. I mean, companies understand, they understand that they've got a problem. And, you know, for that, you know, these ramps do help us. I would expect it to continue. It's not the same, facing the same things before.
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Saket Kalia44:06
Very helpful, thanks guys.
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Operator44:09
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Hedberg with RBC. Your line is open.
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Matt Hedberg44:25
Great, thanks for taking my question. I just want to ask about linearity. It sounded like in your prepared remarks that January was worse than December. I'm curious, did those trends continue into February? Was February worse than January? And is there any way to quantify sort of the impact of the deals that pushed out of the quarter?
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Remo Canessa44:48
Yeah, I mean, some deals certainly pushed into February, and, you know, February, but again, some of the deals that we thought we'd do in January came through in February. You know, regarding linearity overall, linearity was actually better in Q2 versus Q1, but that's also a function of elongation of the deals. So that's why one area is better. You know, going forward, I would expect, you know, back-end loaded linearity, I guess we've seen, you know, the last few quarters. I really don't see that changing.
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Matt Hedberg45:22
Thank you.
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Operator45:24
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.
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Mike Walkley45:42
Great, thanks. Remo, I guess with new customer pipeline taking longer to close, it seems like upsell is going to be maybe even greater mix over the intermediate term. Can you share with us maybe how that mix changes over this implied guidance for the remainder of the fiscal year?
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Remo Canessa45:58
Now, that's a great question. If you recall, in Q1, it was about 50-50. That's right. And we said, you know, we felt, you know, for the year, it's going to go more in the 60-40 upsell versus new. In Q2, it was about 35 new and 65 upsell. From my perspective, I think, you know, for this year, I think 60-40 is still the right metric to think about. 60% upsell and 40% new.
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Mike Walkley46:30
Okay, thank you.
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Operator46:33
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Bachmann with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
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Keith Bachmann46:48
Hi, good afternoon. Many thanks. I wanted to ask about if you look at the phase deals and or just the general economic backdrop, is there a change in pricing? In other words, are more customers asking for relief in terms of pricing? And related to that, Remo, I know you talked about the billings and you're assuming some, you know, more conservative or things can get worse. But if I look at the billings guide, if in fact billings are down 9% sequentially in the April quarter, in order to make the annual guide, the sequential growth in July quarter is 50% or higher, and that's roughly equal to or above the sequential growth of the last three years. So I'm just struggling a little bit to understand why the billings guide, we should think there's basically some room, if you will. When I look at the Q4, it just seems like you're asking a lot for Q4.
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Jagtar Chaudhry47:47
Yeah, I would start on the pricing pressure or discount you talked about. That's an important part of it. So due to a hyper macro environment, there is increasing scrutiny and pressure on CIOs. Now customers are negotiating harder on payment and renewals. But customers view us as one of the most mission-critical services, and they want to make sure they buy the service that works, the service they can depend upon. So they're not looking for the cheapest solution. So from that point of view, I would say we aren't seeing tremendous pressure on discounting. There's some focus on it, and to help that, that's where some of the ramps come in to help lower the first-year cost for the customer and manage the spend. But being strategic, being at the right level, and actually delivering a lot of ROI value reduces pressure on us from a pricing point of view.
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Remo Canessa48:52
Yeah, so if you look at the average we've had in the second half, you know, sequentially from Q3 to Q4, it's been in the, you know, 48%, 49% range. But we've given our guidance as 46% at the midpoint.
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Keith Bachmann49:10
Okay, all right, thank you.
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Operator49:13
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Ruykhaver with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.
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Jonathan Ruykhaver49:29
Yeah, thanks. So I was wondering if you can talk in more detail on the adoption trends you're seeing around cloud workload protection and what those initial lands look like from a deal size perspective relative to the ZIA and ZPA. And also just touch on the go-to-market, are all reps equipped to sell that solution today? Is there an initial overlay strategy? Thanks.
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Jagtar Chaudhry49:57
Thank you. Our overall adoption of cloud workload product is pretty good as planned. And as customers are launching more and more workloads, they have two options: either they extend their corporate network, just like a branch network, to every cloud region and put virtual firewalls there, or they do zero trust architecture with Zscaler. So these products are primarily sold to our customers. Customers understand the value of it, and that's where they're embracing it. Now, the initial deals are smaller. Customers are growing, and there are some large deals, but a majority of the deals start small and customers start buying into it. They largely end up doing the same thing, just like the ZIA for users, the ZPA for users, and this is the ZIA for workloads, the ZPA for workloads. That's where we believe the opportunity for us is significant. In terms of go-to-market, all reps are equipped to sell it, but we also understand that there are a bunch of nuanced discussions in this area. So we do have product specialists, this is an overlay sales team, these product specialists in this area, and they do help in the sales process.
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Remo Canessa51:17
And overall, we are expecting the emerging products to, yeah, emerging products still tracking to plan.
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Operator51:27
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Gabriella Borges with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
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Gabriella Borges51:46
Hi, good afternoon. Thank you. Hey, I wanted to ask you on the market opportunity for Zscaler. With Zscaler having over 30% of the Global 2000, how do you think about the risk that the enterprises that care most about best-of-breed are essentially already Zscaler customers? In other words, where do you think the penetration rates are in the Global 2000? And as you've done feedback from, let's say, the next sort of phase of customers that perhaps weren't as much about best-of-breed technology, how do you think about that? Thank you.
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Jagtar Chaudhry52:25
I'm sorry, can you expand the last part?
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Gabriella Borges52:36
Are you getting any signs of feedback from customers saying, we know you're best-of-breed, but we're not going to prioritize you?
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Jagtar Chaudhry52:45
Yeah, our customers are not looking for best-of-breed point products. They're looking for best-of-platform with the right architecture. To continue, if you talk with the low end of the market, they can kind of live with some of the solutions that are kind of half-baked. So when you talk about Global 2000, these customers are generally pretty savvy. The requirements are complicated, and we believe the best architecture will win in the long term. I gave you an example this time with a large retailer that had gone a different way, thinking that a firewall-based architectural approach tried, failed, and came back. I expect to see a lot more customers do the same thing. I think we have ample opportunity in the Global 2000 to take our current penetration to a much, much higher level.
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Gabriella Borges53:41
Thank you.
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Operator53:43
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Levine with Evercore. Your line is open.
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Peter Levine53:58
Great, thanks guys for squeezing me in here. It's just a piggyback off an earlier question on upsell versus net new. So it seems like you're able to kind of somewhat toggle your sales force to be focused more on those back-to-base opportunities. So I wonder, are you changing your incentives, comp plans at all, I guess, to better incentivize your sales force to focus more on those back-to-base opportunities? And then second, you know, the ones that you are seeing a better upsell, like what product is having the highest rate? Thanks.
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Jagtar Chaudhry54:26
So we aren't really making any special changes to upsell versus new logos. This has been asked to us many times over the years. Do we have a special incentive for new logos? Not really. Our platform is very broad and big, so we really want new logos, we want expansion. And expansion, we know that expansion means upsell is a little bit easier than new logos. That's why you're seeing some of the upsell numbers going up this quarter compared to new logos. Now, we keep on making the refinements to our go-to-market structure and model from time to time, but there's nothing significant we're doing now to make any changes. I think that one of the best things we have, a very good sales organization, our architecture is very good, our deployments are very good. That's why customers come back and rave about us. I mean, talking to so many customers, they believe we have the best service, best architecture, and best security. That's why we've been, and I think we'll keep on, these two from driving it. But in today's market, we expect upsell numbers to stay high because it's a bit easier as compared to a new logo.
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Peter Levine55:44
And then which products are getting the biggest hit rate?
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Jagtar Chaudhry55:47
Oh, sorry, big product, yes. So if you look at, almost every Zscaler customer has the ZIA. Okay, ZPA can be a starting point, but that's not common. But more and more, customers are starting with ZIA and ZPA. But there's still a sizable install base that has the ZIA. Now, ZIA and ZPA together in the higher end will be close to 60%. That's right. That means so many customers have the ZIA, there's upsell opportunities on ZPA. There's an upsell opportunity within bundles. A lot of these customers, about business, they moved to transformation, from transformation, there's a big opportunity for us to sell data protection. Data protection, especially advanced data protection, is very much in the mind of large corporations. And there's a lot of old stuff spinning from Symantec, McAfee, and some of the macro stuff. And when you deploy these architectures, you can't really sit with the old school DLP technology. Data protection is a big opportunity for us. If there's one other product I would highlight, it is ZDX. Digital experience is one of the favorite services of CIOs and heads of networking because when someone is coming from some home, some coffee shop, some hotel, when things are slow, customers struggle to figure out. ZDX has become very sophisticated to help them pinpoint issues and take care of them. User experience is becoming more and more important, and it's this highly, highly differentiated service that we offer.
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Peter Levine57:25
Can I answer your question? Perfect, yes, thank you very much.
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Operator57:30
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John DiFucci57:48
Thank you. You said that EMEA grew strongly year-over-year, but was it the kind of growth you thought it would be? Because the reason I ask is that our checks in the region were they were pretty mixed, and your revenue growth decelerated in the region. And given the recurring model of revenue, it's usually a lagging indicator, I get that. But I guess, how do you expect the region to progress going forward? Is there any reason that region might be more competitive?
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Jagtar Chaudhry58:20
I'll start and then we'll connect things to it. This quarter, EMEA had less dependency on large deals. Okay, and as you know, a lot of students are getting more school. And U.S. was rather to be speaking weaker because they had higher dependency on large deals.
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Remo Canessa58:40
Yeah, I mean, you're right, John. I mean, revenue is a lagging indicator, and our new and upsell business, you know, it was one of our strongest, if not our strongest. So EMEA did do well.
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Jagtar Chaudhry58:53
Okay, and this is another color I could give you on the market vertical kind of stuff. You know, there are certain verticals that did better than others, as you would expect. The tech vertical was weak in today's market.
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John DiFucci59:15
But that would be more for the U.S., right, Jay, the tech vertical on the U.S.?
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Jagtar Chaudhry59:18
That's correct, that's correct.
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John DiFucci59:23
Got it, okay, thanks a lot guys.
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Operator59:26
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Shaul Eyal with TD Cowen. Your line is open.
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Shaul Eyal59:42
Thank you, good afternoon guys. One of the topics that you're hearing in recent quarters with cloud-related costs, or in other words, some enterprise customers are indicating that, you know, some of the cost benefits they have subscribed to under the big cloud promise in recent years at times that is not panning out to the expectation. So interested to learn whether your customers have been bringing up this point in recent discussions.
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Jagtar Chaudhry1:00:20
Had a hard time hearing you, so you might... I think we've caught something about maybe hyperscaler and perhaps if you could repeat that.
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Shaul Eyal1:00:31
Yeah, no, so I was asking whether some customers have been bringing up maybe some disappointments with the overall promise as it relates to cloud-related costs. Is that a topic that has been brought up in recent discussions with your customers?
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Jagtar Chaudhry1:00:55
Yeah, so let me share with you lots of conversations I have. Customers are embracing cloud. Okay, there's nobody saying I want to come back or not embrace at all. That's point number one. Point number two, the speed at which these guys are moving forward is slowing down. I even expect because some of these large software development projects are slowing down for cost reasons. Number three, that's actually creating an interesting phenomenon whereby customers aren't able to use all the spend that's committed. Okay, that's actually giving us an opportunity where we are actually partnering more closely with some of these hyperscalers where our platform can be part of that customer commit because we are an approved partner for some of the cloud spend. So those are some of the things we are seeing. But overall, we do see it's rare to find a CIO that says I don't like cloud anymore. Are there complaints about cost in the clouds? Yes. Do they see an alternate to go back to the data center? No.
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Shaul Eyal1:02:14
Thank you so much for that, Jay. I appreciate it.
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Operator1:02:19
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to the interest of time, that concludes our Q&A session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Jay for closing remarks.
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Jagtar Chaudhry1:02:30
Thank you for your continued interest in Zscaler. We look forward to seeing you at some of the upcoming conferences. Thank you again.
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Operator1:02:41
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.