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Chair of the Board & Chief Executive Officer, STRIDE INC

[LRN stock] Stride Q3 2021 Earnings Call (4/20/21)

🎥 Apr 20, 2021 📺 DueDiligence ⏱ 36m 👁 12 views
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About James Rhyu

James Rhyu, CEO of Stride Inc. (formerly K12 Inc.), has been discussing the company’s approach to education in several interviews in 2024 and 2025. Rhyu stated that he introduced the term "customer" to the company, arguing that students and families should be viewed as customers whose needs should guide educational offerings. He said that the company has invested more in the past four years than in any other four-year period in its history, focusing on teacher professional development, new curriculum, new technologies, and new platforms. Rhyu also commented on the role of technology in education, stating that while AI has potential, its current error rate is too high for K-12 learning, and that the company is working on small language models for personalized learning. He noted that an increasing number of families cite mental health as a reason for choosing virtual learning. Rhyu has also discussed the company's broader portfolio beyond virtual schooling, including career-connected learning options. He described the education system as politicized and called for depoliticizing it to focus on what is best for children and families. Rhyu acknowledged that the company made "bad acquisitions" in the boot camp space, which he said are now seeing dramatically lower volumes. In a separate appearance, Rhyu participated in a golf lesson with award-winning teen golfer Carter Bonas, stating that the company can learn from its students.

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Transcript (38 segments)
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Operator0:00
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Stride third quarter fiscal year 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Tim Casey, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
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Tim Casey0:32
Thank you and good afternoon. Welcome to Stride's third quarter earnings call for fiscal year 2021. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in addition to historical information, certain comments made during this conference call may be considered forward-looking statements. These statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. They should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements contained in our earnings release and the company's periodic filings with the FCC. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual performance or results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. In addition, this conference call contains time-sensitive information that reflects management's best analysis only as of the day of this live call. Stride does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. For further information concerning risks and uncertainties that could materially affect financial and operational performance and results, please refer to our reports filed with the SEC. These reports include, without limitation, cautionary statements made in Stride's 2020 annual report on Form 10-K. These filings can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at stridelearning.com. In addition to disclosing financial results in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles in the U.S., or GAAP, we will discuss certain information that is considered non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation of this non-GAAP financial information to the most closely comparable GAAP information was included in our earnings release and is also posted on our website. This call is open to the public and is being webcast. The call will be available for replay for 30 days. With me on today's call are James Rhyu, Chief Executive Officer, and Tim Medina, Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, we'll answer any questions you may have. I would now like to turn the call over to James.
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James Rhyu2:19
Thank you. Good afternoon everybody. Since I became CEO three months ago, I've heard one consistent question: what will happen with education after the pandemic is over? Well, we're soon approaching that point, it looks like, and I don't think any of us know. But many credible thought leaders seem to believe the shift to online learning is not temporary. In fact, a lot of the key trends we are seeing from recent research on education, careers, and the economy support this idea. A recent New York Times article carried the headline 'Online Schools Are Here to Stay Even After the Pandemic.' The premise of the article was that the ongoing pandemic has changed the landscape of education permanently. One quote: 'A subset of families who have come to prefer online learning are pushing to keep it going.' Additionally, a recent study by the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics found that one-third of high school students would choose a fully online or hybrid education even after things returned to normal. These and other researchers like them support my long-held belief that the momentum in digital transformation is difficult to reverse, and that the trend toward online and hybrid education will continue. And more students are recognizing that college is not the only effective or most affordable path to a career. The ECMC Group released findings from a study it conducted that showed today's high school students are seeking lower cost, quicker paths to careers. In the study, 25 percent of Gen Z teens said they were more likely to attend a career and technical education school due to their pandemic experience. This trend is playing out in college as well; last fall there was a seven percent drop in enrollments in higher education. This means more students will seek out other educational paths. In a recent article in New York Magazine, they make the following case: 'People under the age of 40 are fed up. They have less than half of the economic security than their parents did at the same age. For the first time in our nation's history, a 30 year old isn't doing as well as his or her parents at age 30.' So the paradigm of offering opportunities needs to shift. In our adult learning business, we are seeing people moving toward non-traditional educational paths. Stride Education Network surveys have shown that adult learners who are looking for education or training options are focused on gaining certification and licensure rather than traditional degrees, and they prefer to get this training through online programs or directly from their employer. Importantly, companies are beginning to recognize that non-traditional educational paths can be as successful as college graduates. Large corporations like Facebook, Google, and Amazon, and others, have begun programs to hire non-college graduates, and in many cases students right out of high school into professional, high-paying technology jobs, and all indications suggest these professionals are excelling as such. Companies are expanding these programs. These trends support our strategy of providing career skills. The pandemic has accelerated the shift in modality to a more digital approach. As these markets are poised to grow at increasing rates, Stride is well positioned to benefit for many years to come. The immediate impact of these trends are evident in our results for this quarter and in our fiscal 2021 guidance. We've raised our guidance for the full year in each of the past two quarters. Year to date, our Stride career revenue enrollments are up over 120 percent. The ECMC study I mentioned above also found that 61 percent of Gen Z teens believe a skill-based education makes sense in today's world, and our Stride career programs offer a clear solution for these students. The programs provide access to career-ready skills and certifications. This allows students to develop skills that can lead directly to a career, or better prepare them for post-secondary education. Regardless of which path they choose, we want to provide them with an education that will prepare them for careers in high-growth areas like healthcare, technology, and business. Our adult acquisitions are doing well and growing at double-digit rates, even though some of them have traditionally focused on in-classroom teaching. Their shifts to online programs has gone smoothly, and we feel good about their future growth prospects. Specifically, our two most recent acquisitions, Tech Elevator and MedCerts, are performing against their acquisition plans, but more importantly, these companies serve mainstream markets, have large-scale future opportunities and funding. As we begin to invest in our Stride brand, we believe we will be able to generate meaningful growth for these products incremental to what they would have been able to do as standalone businesses. As more employers start to take notice of these kinds of pathways, they are looking to partner with training providers to ensure they are hiring the right skilled workers. For instance, MedCerts recently announced a partnership with Equis Workforce Solutions to offer registered apprenticeship opportunities to employers seeking employees in high-demand fields. These types of programs demonstrate that Stride's offerings can address both learner and employer needs. Beyond that, we can help employers build recruitment pipelines with our talent partnership, Talon. Talon now boasts one and a half million users on their platform. This community of both users and employers will help ensure that we are developing the right training programs while giving them and others a path to employment. And as we said during our Investor Day in November, we expect this growth and the trends we are seeing in the market to lead to overall career learning revenues of $650 to $800 million by fiscal 2025. As excited as we are about the prospects in our career and adult learning businesses, we are also focused on our general education business. Unfortunately for many students, the pandemic has caused a decline in academic achievement. A recent study by NWEA showed that the number of students who regressed academically increased significantly nationwide during the last year. Fortunately for students and families attending established virtual programs like ours, they have been able to attend school uninterrupted. Our partners have provided seamless education in a completely disruptive world. We owe our gratitude to them. The impact translated into academic outcomes as well; in a recent study we conducted, programs managed by Stride handily outpaced schools like the ones in the NWEA study. Not all online programs are created equal, we believe. Ours is the gold standard. The data backs that up. How does all of this translate into future trends? Just a little over a year ago, we conducted a survey that validated the trends we've seen for many years, that approximately two to three percent of families were considering a fully online high school option. It just today received results of our most recent study that indicated that that two to three percent had jumped to over ten percent. Similarly, consideration for online career programs jumped from 15 to 25 percent. The shift to online school from home means that more families are seeking out Stride offerings and digital solutions. And while online school might not be for everyone, many more families now recognize it as an option. In addition to the increase in awareness the pandemic has brought about, there have been structural changes to other parts of our lives. It wasn't just students who were impacted; it was parents, families, teachers, and administrators. Many of these individuals have come to appreciate the flexibility that comes from working and schooling from home. This shift gives more parents and families the opportunity to support their children's learning at home while they're also working, or for teachers, they can teach at home. We hired and managed more teachers than ever this year. The flexibility for teachers to work out of their homes is another clear trend that provides great opportunities. Overall, this means that Stride's offerings are more accessible to more families. Now I know many of you are focused on what will happen with our enrollments this coming fall, as the rollout of the vaccine proceeds and most school districts announce plans to get back into the classroom. First of all, let me be clear that we support the reopening of brick-and-mortar schools. In fact, we penned an open letter supporting President Biden's bipartisan push to get schools reopened. Additionally, it's far too early in our enrollment season to know how many new students will come to our programs in the fall. In fact, less than 10 percent of our normal overall enrollment volume happens before the end of April. However, we do have some early indications of the rate at which existing families are indicating their return for the fall. As of right now, the percentage of existing families that are responding to our outreach for returning in the fall is at an all-time high, and the percentage that has indicated they are returning is at a multi-year high. So far, we are seeing the opposite of the mass exodus back to brick-and-mortar schools that some have predicted. This is some very early encouraging news, but I want to stress this is still very early. Finally, I want to highlight some exciting upcoming programs from Stride. Recently, a survey we conducted found that over 65 percent of parents agree that their children need additional educational curriculum over the summer to make up for lost time due to the pandemic. Given the significant need this summer, we are going to offer free summer career experiences for students in grades 7 through 12. These programs are an excellent opportunity for current and prospective students to gain exposure to career skills while engaging in exciting activities. For example, in our esports experience, students will work on coding skills in the morning while spending the afternoon gaming with their friends. We plan to offer programs in nursing, theater, esports, and even a jam camp for musicians. We will also offer programs for recent Stride career prep graduates to further hone the career writing skills they learned in high school. All these programs will help make Stride more accessible to more students while teaching them valuable career skills. So I believe the trends in our business, as well as the overall macro conditions and our addressable market, continue to work in our favor and grow. As time passes, thanks for your time today. I'll now turn the call over to Tim to discuss our quarterly results.
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Tim Medina14:18
Thank you James, and good afternoon everyone. Revenue for the quarter was $392.1 million, an increase of 52 percent from last year. Adjusted operating income was $54.9 million, an increase of 146 percent. And capital expenditures were $11.3 million, an increase of $1.9 million versus Q3 last year. In each case, these results met or beat the expectations we provided in our guidance last quarter. As James mentioned, our general education business continues to perform very well, and career learning remains on a strong growth trajectory as it has been for the past several years. Given the strength in these businesses, we have raised our guidance again for the full fiscal year. Returning to our results for the quarter, revenue from our general education business increased $89.2 million or 38 percent to $322.3 million. This was due primarily to higher enrollments, partially offset by lower revenue per enrollment. General ed enrollments rose 43 percent year over year, while revenue per enrollment declined 4 percent. For the full year, we expect revenue per enrollment to be down compared to last year due to state budgetary pressures resulting from COVID-19 and a higher mix of lower funded states. We do not, however, expect this decline to become a trend into next year. In fact, we are confident, given what we know today about state policy, that enrollment funding should improve next year. Career learning revenue rose to $69.8 million, an increase of 191 percent. This was largely driven by significantly higher volumes in our Stride career prep programs, formerly known as Destinations Career Academies, as well as growth in our adult learning businesses, including the effect of MedCerts and Tech Elevator acquired in November 2020, and Galvanize acquired in late January 2020. Gross margins were 35.5 percent in the quarter, up approximately 500 basis points from the same period last year. For the full fiscal year, we expect gross margins to be approximately 34 percent plus or minus 50 basis points. We believe this improvement will continue into next year. Last November at Investor Day, I laid out a 2025 goal for gross margin percent of 36 to 39, and I expect us to get there much faster. Selling, general, and administrative expenses in the quarter were $100.5 million, up 58 percent from the year-ago period. The increase in SG&A was driven primarily by higher costs associated with the growth in enrollments and higher stock-based compensation expense, as well as the expenses for our adult learning businesses. We expect SG&A for the full fiscal year 2021 to be in the range of $420 million to $425 million, up from fiscal 2020 due to higher costs associated with the growth in enrollments, higher stock-based compensation expense, as well as the inclusion of the SG&A associated with Galvanize, MedCerts, and Tech Elevator. Expectation for fiscal year 21 interest expense is that it will be between $17 and $18 million, including approximately $4 million in cash interest and $12 million in non-cash amortization of the discount on our convertible senior notes, and another $1 million of non-cash amortization of debt issuance costs. Our convertible notes are subject to new accounting guidance which can be adopted in FY 22 and no later than FY23. Once the guidance is adopted, the debt discount will be eliminated from the balance sheet and the associated non-cash amortization expenses are eliminated from the P&L on a going forward basis. EBITDA for the third quarter was $62.2 million, up 89 percent from the third quarter of fiscal 2020. Adjusted EBITDA was $75 million, up 92 percent from the same period a year ago. Operating income was $38.6 million. Adjusted operating income was $54.9 million, an increase of 146 percent. Additionally, we are raising our guidance for adjusted operating income to $156 million to $159 million for the full fiscal year 2021, and that's up from our previous guidance of $145 million to $155 million. We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $329 million, an increase of $70.9 million compared to the second quarter. We expect working capital to be a significant source of cash in the fourth quarter, primarily due to accounts receivable. So we expect our cash balance at the end of fiscal 2021 to increase significantly. We believe that our strong free cash flow generation and liquidity will continue to provide the financial flexibility to fund our existing operations and to pursue strategic acquisitions. Capital expenditures for the quarter totaled $11.3 million, below the range of $12 to $15 million we guided to last quarter. We expect full year capex to be in the range of $50 to $55 million. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 30.2 percent, and we expect our full year tax rate to be in the 27 to 29 percent range. We expect that free cash flow, defined as cash from operations minus capex, will trail our adjusted operating income. This timing difference is primarily due to working capital changes related to the timing of payments from certain states, some of which are associated with our growth in states that regularly pay in the following year and some of which is related to delayed payments due to COVID. Now returning to our updated guidance to summarize: we expect the following for the full year fiscal 2021: revenue in the range of $1.525 billion to $1.530 billion, adjusted operating income between $156 million and $159 million, capital expenditures of $50 million to $55 million, and a tax rate of 27 to 29 percent. In Q3, we saw another successful quarter owing to the tremendous demand for our products and services, both in general education and career learning. We delivered double-digit or better growth in revenue, adjusted operating income, and adjusted EBITDA, while significantly improving our gross margins and our robust cash and liquidity position. We remain very excited about the prospects for our business as a whole, and we'll continue to execute on our high-growth career learning strategy. And with that, I'll turn it over to the operator.
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Operator22:34
And if you'd like to ask a question, as a reminder, you need to press star one on your telephone. Your first question comes from Jeff Goldstein from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
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Jeff Goldstein22:47
Hey guys, can you hear me okay now? Yeah, hey there, we can hear you. We've actually had to dial in from a mobile phone here, so I apologize if the sound quality isn't as good. We still have a little bit of technical difficulty on our end, but we can hear you now. Go ahead. Okay, perfect. So I just had a question on revenue per enrollment. That figure seemed to recover in the quarter within both general education and career learning when comparing it to last quarter. So just hoping you could expand on drivers of that recovery, and is some of that recovery in the quarter what's giving you confidence for further improvement into next year?
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James Rhyu23:26
Let me just try to take maybe half of that question and then I'll hand it over to Tim. I think, first of all, a lot of factors happen in a year, so I think it's probably better to focus on the full year number. But the confidence in next year actually doesn't have much to do with this year. This year we were negatively impacted by, you may recall, California didn't fund new enrollments and some other mix issues. When we look at next year, really what we look at is what I'll call the policy landscape across states in which we manage programs. From that perspective, we think that our overall environment looks pretty strong and pretty stable. So it's really nothing to do with how this year is shaping up; it's really based on what we see across the landscape for next year policy wise. Tim, I don't know if you want to add.
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Tim Medina24:19
Yeah, the only thing I would add in terms of sequential improvement is that as we get into the year, our revenue we've earned in some cases where we treat small amounts of enrollments in the normal course, and that's really the driver overall that this is modest sequential stabilization in that metric.
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Jeff Goldstein24:42
Okay, got it. And then I appreciate your comments in the prepared remarks around just the optimism you have around returning students for next year. I was curious though if the churn you saw in the quarter in general education this past quarter was in line or was that more than you were anticipating, given students could potentially be returning to their traditional schools? I mean, were you seeing that in any particular age group, or is that not the case and it was all just kind of normal course? Just curious for your thoughts on churn in the quarter.
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James Rhyu25:16
Yeah, so I think if anything, churn continues to be better than previous years. In that respect, it was somewhat better than we expected originally when we set out the year. But we are seeing, and we've seen this over the years, the tendency in the middle of the semester for families to have some reticence. Even as schools are opening back up, we saw families have some reticence just to disrupt the flow of the educational program that their child is in. So we were a little bit surprised, and we have been pleasantly surprised throughout the course of the year on the trajectory that churn has taken for us.
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Jeff Goldstein26:10
Okay, I appreciate the color.
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Operator26:13
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Silver from Capital. Your line is open.
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Jeff Silver26:19
Thanks so much. The results were much better than expected, both on the top line and bottom line. Can you kind of focus on what was the reason for the beat or reasons for the beat?
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Tim Medina26:34
The reason for the beat is really the point that James just made: it's better retention performance during the quarter. That was the primary driver of that improvement on the top line, and that really fell to the bottom line.
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Jeff Silver26:48
Okay, so it's fairly similar to what we saw last quarter as well.
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Tim Medina26:52
Yes.
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Jeff Silver26:56
Okay, that's great. I appreciate the color you gave us on the fall. I know it's still very early. Can you talk about at least the potential for either new states or new schools? How that pipeline is going.
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James Rhyu27:07
Yeah, I think unlike probably previous years, our approach to new states and new schools is actually evolving, and I think it's evolving in a positive way, meaning there are increasingly more opportunities for us to enter new programs in new states with partners. We're approaching it from a perspective that we don't always need a new policy or law or legislation to be passed. So we are continuing to work to open particularly career education programs. We expect to open a small handful this coming fall. We expect programs in general in a number of states, new states, to open or expand. So we're pretty bullish. West Virginia, Missouri, places like that we expect at least some type of expansion or new program to be open for the fall.
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Jeff Silver28:08
Okay, great. In your prepared remarks, you also talked about academic outcomes, and I know it may be too early to get this kind of data, but I'm just curious, in the pandemic, have you seen your outcomes increase relative to some of the traditional schools that went online? Is there any data that shows that?
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James Rhyu28:30
Yes, for sure we have. There is some data trickling in that suggests, and obviously not surprising, that most of the brick-and-mortar schools took a pretty significant step back on average in academic outcomes. And we, in fact, our schools, our data suggests that we outperformed that significantly. So from our perspective, based on what we see and the data that is available, our performance has outperformed and outpaced most other brick-and-mortar schools that did online learning over this past year.
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Jeff Silver29:08
Okay, I appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks so much.
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James Rhyu29:14
Thank you.
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Operator29:16
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Sheldon from William Blair. Your line is open.
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Steven Sheldon29:22
Hi, thanks. First, great to hear about the high re-registration indications. Is there any way to roughly frame or quantify how much higher the percentage of families indicating return compares to the normal trends that you'd see?
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James Rhyu29:38
Well, I'm reluctant to start providing that type of guidance at this point. I will tell you that our response rates have been materially higher. And I think that for me, at least, the signs that point positively is the engagement levels we're getting. And particularly, I'll give you one tidbit of information. We did track COVID-related types of enrollments, meaning some families very specifically indicated to us that they were coming to us this year specifically for COVID. Now, of course, a lot of families didn't indicate that, so that doesn't capture maybe the entire population. But a very significant proportion of those families who said that they came to us because of COVID have been engaged with us and have indicated that they expect to return in the fall. So again, in our prepared remarks, I indicated that we're not seeing this mass exodus of families just riding it out with us until their brick-and-mortar schools came back and then all exiting back to their brick-and-mortar programs. We see that as a pretty positive trend, that a significant number of families have appreciated the experience enough to indicate that they are sticking with it.
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Steven Sheldon31:17
Got it, really helpful. And I know you guys can help students that have fallen behind academically trying to catch up, especially with some of personalized learning or provide online options with some students at local options falling behind over the last year. I guess we've seen that increased demand at all for general education, especially as you think about indications heading into next year?
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James Rhyu31:44
Yeah, I think the slide that has happened - I was just actually before we came into this call, Sal from Khan Academy was on CNBC mentioning that 15 to 20 percent, I think that was the number he gave, of kids have 'gotten lost' in the public school systems. So not just a slide of the kids who have been in the system, you see a large number of students who have sort of gone missing in a way. So we do think and we do see that there is a very large opportunity and good demand for not just our full-time online programs for kids to come into those programs, but just in school districts more broadly looking for ways to meet that demand or to meet that gap. And so I think you should remember that we're not just running full-time programs; we offer a suite of solutions that also help districts with their problems. And I think in some ways, that's going to be an ongoing opportunity for us because I really empathize with these school districts. They really need to make sure that they can reach a lot of these kids who have somehow gone missing in their systems, and they need to provide some alternatives for them as well. And I'm hopeful that they are looking at alternatives like online alternatives for those kids, and we can certainly help there.
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Steven Sheldon33:24
Makes sense. Last one for me, just on the guidance. It seems like the guidance implies a sequential step down in revenue in the fourth quarter relative to the third quarter. I think the normal progression over the last three years has been for a sequential uptick. Anything notable to call out on what would drive a sequential decline this year in the fiscal fourth quarter?
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Tim Medina33:45
No, there's nothing notable to call out there. It is fair that if you squeezed out another quarter just like this one, we would be at the very tippy top of our guidance range. So there's nothing in particular to call out there, no particular concern or anything like that.
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Steven Sheldon34:04
Great, thank you, appreciate it.
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Operator34:07
And again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from the line of Greg Pendy from Sidoti. Your line is open.
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Greg Pendy34:15
Thanks for taking my questions. Just real quick on the summer courses that you'll be offering, is that going to create any notable shifts in expenses on a year-over-year basis, especially in instructor costs?
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James Rhyu34:31
Yes and no. The answer is no; we shouldn't have any material change in costs over the summer due to those programs. They do have some marginal cost to us; it's not significant. We think it won't change sort of the overall profit or gross margin trajectory that we're headed on, but we also think it's important to help with the summer gap to bridge kids over the summer. We think it's an important offering to get kids to have awareness around some of these opportunities that we can provide them. So I don't think it's going to be a material cost, but irrespective, it's just an important service that we need to provide the country right now.
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Greg Pendy35:19
Right. And then just one final one, just on that revenue per student in terms of next year. Assuming, would it be a positive benefit if you have a higher mix of special needs students next year in your revenue? I'm not saying that you're foreseeing that, but just given the trends of some students falling behind, is that typically a higher revenue per student?
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James Rhyu35:43
No, not materially. So I wouldn't pretend that our revenue per student trend next year is going to be impacted by that. In any given year, I think sort of all falls out with the washing, and our overall revenue per student trend gets more impacted by things like mix or what happened in California this year, and not by the mix of special ed versus non-special ed students.
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Greg Pendy36:14
Okay, great, thanks a lot.
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James Rhyu36:16
Thank you.
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Operator36:20
And there are no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.