Board member of multiple companies, Independent Board Member
Indra Nooyi Sheds Light On Her memoir- My Life in Full
From moving recollections of how her parents believed in her dreams, facing loneliness during her initial days as a student in America, and the importance of family – Indra Nooyi’s life is a lesson in daring to dream big. In a candid chat, the former chairperson and chief executive officer of PepsiCo sheds light on her memoir, My Life in Full.
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About Indra Nooyi
Indra Nooyi, the former chairman and CEO of PepsiCo, has been speaking publicly about leadership, bias, and corporate governance. In a series of interviews and appearances, Nooyi discussed her approach to delivering feedback, which she described as combining "kindness and clarity" with "toughness." She said she wrote performance appraisals that told employees what they did well, what they did not do well, and what they needed to work on, and that she would help them get there. Nooyi also addressed unconscious bias in the workplace, stating that companies should draw from the entire talent pool and that biases against women and people of color can attack an individual's confidence and, in turn, their competence. She recounted a conversation with a PepsiCo CFO in India who said he was not looking at women for a CFO role because their husbands get transferred, and she pointed out that the previous CFO had moved when his wife was transferred. Nooyi also shared her leadership philosophy of "performance with purpose," which she said guided her tenure at PepsiCo. She described success as delivering performance while leaving a place better than you found it. In discussions about crisis management, she emphasized the importance of understanding the root cause of a crisis, listening to a plan from the team, and being honest with employees and the public. Nooyi reflected on the challenges faced by female CEOs, saying they receive more attention than men, and she advised leaders to show passion and not be afraid to push back. She also discussed her work on corporate boards, stating that a great board member reads beyond the material provided and adds value beyond basic governance requirements.
Transcript (7 segments)
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I don't know what was going through their mind, but I will tell you one thing. In writing this book, a lot of things have been put in perspective. First, I was born in 55, and that was eight years after independence. Think about it, eight years after India's independence I was born, and I went through school and college very early in free India. Women were just coming into their own; Nehru was insisting that women be given an opportunity. Professional schools and colleges were just beginning to admit women. I feel fortunate to have been in that part of the lottery of life that I won, which was the men in my family believed that women should have equal opportunities. My grandfather and father would always say, 'Why? Girl, boy, they're both people. As long as they have a brain, as long as they're able to study, let them study as much as they want. We will sacrifice whatever we need to allow them to study.' My mother was a product of her unfulfilled desires because she wanted to study but wasn't given the opportunity. She had one foot on the break, saying we would get married at 18, but also one foot on the accelerator, saying to do whatever we wanted because she wished she could have done that. The combination of my mother, my father, and my grandfather allowed us to live within the norms of society while flying as much as we wanted, knowing there was always time to come back home.
I think it was a sequence of things that helped me build up. At J&J, we were adapting a US product to India. The product was already being sold in the United States, and our job was to bring it to India and launch it. Women worldwide have the same issues when it comes to having periods. I felt very lucky to be on the Stayfree team as the product manager because it allowed me to alleviate women's burdens. It was very personal for me; I struggled through how to pay for personal protection and all the trials of growing up when there wasn't branded personal protection. I went through those horrible situations. Women going to school, college, and wanting to be in the professional world needed that level of freedom. Stayfree became a very personal project. I got into the details and learned everything I could. It made me realize how much women struggle to do simple things in life because a support system didn't exist then. It taught me about the plight of women, how resilient they are, and I gained a newfound respect for all women, thinking of those in farms, fields, factories, and retail.
Let's talk about different kinds of loneliness. I came to the US at a time when there weren't many support structures for international students. I reached out to another international student, and most of the bridges I built were with other international students at first, then slowly expanded the circle. International students were admitted but not supported or helped to integrate. Things have changed now; there are tremendous support structures for foreign students. But if you don't have family, friends, or access to your food, loneliness gets amplified. Part of it is your responsibility to go out, make friends, and seek your foods to stay connected with where you grew up. If you become a recluse, it's going to be very difficult. Before you take the first steps to go overseas, you have to prepare for the fact that you're going to have to put yourself out there, build your network, and recreate the support structure you had in your country of origin. If you don't do that, it does cause deep longing and loneliness in your heart that takes a while to get over.
That's a leading question. I have to tell you, having kids is a humbling experience because whatever you do, you're never going to get it right. Even if you have two or three kids, for each kid you have to relearn the book because times have changed and the kids are different. It's a humbling experience. Having kids also makes you bring your heart more to the equation rather than your head. With kids, there's nothing about the intellect; you have to throw yourself into it with your heart. You love them for whatever they do, and they use you as a punching bag, but you brush it off and love them all over again. It allows you to build a thick skin. As a mom, you're often the punching bag, and that develops thick skin. When people throw tantrums at the office, you look at them and think, 'How would I act if my kids did this?' It gives you newfound sensitivity and sensibility in approaching executives who act inappropriately. It increases your empathy and makes you a different person, much more patient, tolerant, and thick-skinned.
You know, Arman, in a way you asked the question and answered it. That was the mark of a great journalist because you read the book critically. I'm in awe of the way you read it. I think you're absolutely right. If you want a book to have a long shelf life, it's because of the big messages you're imparting and the pain points in society you're trying to address. Those books have long shelf lives, which is what I wanted to accomplish with this book: to make it a blueprint and framework so that all of us can work on supporting young family builders. Gossipy stories are sensational for a week, but after that, who cares? If I had a salacious story to write, I have ten great ones, but the book doesn't have room for everything. I hint at issues, behind which there are people. I also talk about the good things that happened. This book provides my life as a framework, but what you need to focus on is 'therefore what?' After every chapter, stop and think about that.
Surreal is an understatement. I don't think there's a word for it. Many of those guitars I hadn't even seen; they were wrapped and kept in storage. When I was at PepsiCo, I didn't look at any of them. When my stuff landed and I unpacked it, I found all these things and was in tears. Some of the messages the musicians wrote, the signatures, or the fact that they thought to give me one of their guitars caused more emotion and tears than awe. We both stood there looking at them, reflecting on the shows they appeared at for the Super Bowl, grateful that these amazing musicians have a human behind them. We reflected on each musician and the reception they gave us. I look at those guitars every day, and I can't help thinking about struggling to buy that first guitar and having massive calluses on my fingers to now having some of the world's best guitars signed by iconic people—and I don't even play them, I just look at them. It's an amazing life, that's all I can tell you.
You know, I actually believe that given all the geopolitics today, the Indian story is even more desirable than ever. India still has a demographic dividend; it's one of the youngest countries, with a large English-speaking population and a highly talented workforce. Because of the numbers, even a smaller percentage is a huge talent pool. India has science and technology-educated people in large numbers. India has all the requirements the world needs going forward. But India has to decide how it wants to play in this environment that is welcoming of India again. The Indian government has to balance what's good for India, its people, and its economy versus what's good for world trade. How much protectionism versus nationalism? How consistent a framework for FDI investment? All of those are for the Indian government to decide. I'm not a person to advise them, but I think the Indian story is intact. It has to be married with a consistent framework for investment and direction. If that happens, the Indian story will be written in this decade in profound ways. India has to decide how it wants to play, leveraging its advantages.