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Edward Pitoniak
Chief Executive Officer & Director, VICI Properties Inc

[VICI stock] Vici Properties Q4 2020 Earnings Call (2/19/21)

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About Edward Pitoniak

Edward Pitoniak, CEO of VICI Properties, participated in the company’s quarterly earnings calls between May 2025 and April 2026. During these calls, he discussed the performance of the company’s tenants and markets. He described regional markets as having performed “steady” and stated that Las Vegas is “going through a transition,” noting that operators are making adjustments to their business models. Pitoniak also commented on the company’s financial position, stating that VICI sits at the “low end of our leverage range” and has “650 million of true free cash flow” on an annual basis after dividends. He said the company is “confident that we can continue to execute our external growth plans with the sources of capital that we have available today.” Pitoniak also addressed specific investment opportunities and market trends. He said VICI has been in dialogue with various contestants in the New York casino licensing process and could provide capital if an opportunity has “very good capital fundamentals.” He cited Mastercard data indicating that global spending on experiences rose 65% from 2019 to 2023 while spending on goods increased 12%, describing this as a secular trend that benefits the company’s focus on experiential real estate. Pitoniak noted that VICI has raised its AFFO guidance for 2025 and has grown its dividend every year since going public in 2018, with a peer-leading 8-year dividend growth CAGR of 7%.

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Operator0:02
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the VICI Properties fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please note that this conference call is being recorded today, February 19th, 2020. I will now turn the call over to Samantha Gallagher, General Counsel with VICI Properties. Please go ahead.
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Samantha Gallagher0:28
Thank you, operator, and good morning everyone. Should have access to the company's fourth quarter 2020 earnings release and supplemental information. The release and supplemental information can be found in the investor section of the VICI Properties website at www.viciproperties.com. Some of our comments today will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Forward-looking statements, which are usually identified by the use of words such as will, believe, expect, should, guidance, intends, projects, or other similar phrases, are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Therefore, you should exercise caution in interpreting and relying on them. I refer you to the company's SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact future operating results and financial conditions. During the call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP measures which we believe can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available in our fourth quarter 2020 earnings release and our supplemental information available on the VICI Properties website. Hosting the call today we have Ed Pitoniak, Chief Executive Officer, John Payne, President and Chief Operating Officer, David Kieske, Chief Financial Officer, Gabe Wasserman, Chief Accounting Officer, and Danny Valoy, Vice President of Finance. Ed and team will provide some opening remarks and then we will open the call to questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ed.
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Edward Pitoniak2:14
Thanks Samantha. Good morning everyone, and thanks for joining us. If for any reason you hang up or the line goes dead in the next 30 seconds, here's the one message I want you to take away from this call: in 2020, according to FactSet consensus, two-thirds, or 14 of 21 US triple-net REITs, are projected to post year-over-year declines in AFFO per share in 2020. As David Kieske will elaborate on in a moment, VICI's AFFO per share grew 10.8% for the year as a whole and grew 24.3% in the fourth quarter. In a year 2020 when again two out of three peers are likely to see declines in AFFO, we think VICI's growth is worth remarking on. But it's been interesting to see commentary so far, which can be pretty much reduced to: did VICI achieve consensus AFFO per share? Did VICI achieve consensus? That is, of course, a key question. We think it's also worth asking: the consensus call for AFFO per share — growing, staying steady, or declining? If it called for growth, was it a lot of growth or a little? Once all American triple-net REITs report their 2020 results, we'll know with finality where VICI's AFFO per share growth stands on a relative basis. We already know where it stands on an absolute basis, and it is growth. We're very proud of especially coming out of a year so tough and so thoroughly dominated by the COVID-19 crisis. As I said in our Q3 2020 earnings call, what the COVID-19 crisis has taught us across the US REIT management spectrum is that the strength of a REIT's business model is the aggregated strength of a REIT's tenants' business model. And for gaming REITs generally and VICI specifically, the COVID-19 crisis demonstrated that our gaming tenants have built business models of great strength and durability. And the strength and durability of their business models is derived from the strength and durability of their relationship with their customers, the end users of our real estate. This strength of the gaming operator-gaming customer relationship is a key lesson I take from 2020. This strength of relationship and the mission-criticality of our real estate to that relationship is the key reason we at VICI collected 100% of our rents in 2020 on time and 100% in cash. It's the key reason we were able to announce what we believe is one of the larger 2020 dividend increases among large-cap American REITs. It's the reason we were able to go back on offense as early as June with our Caesars financing and later in the summer our first non-gaming financing with Chelsea Piers. Finally, it's the driving force behind our AFFO growth in 2020 and our AFFO growth trajectory coming into 2021. But there's a second lesson I take from 2020, and it's a lesson the clarity and power of which truly burst through in the second half of 2020, and that is the emerging power of sports betting within the American gaming ecosystem. As gaming real estate owners, we aren't as focused on the TAM of sports betting revenue, though of course we hope our tenants realize as much revenue and profit as they can from this new channel of business, whether online or in property. As real estate owners of assets that we will own and our tenants will occupy for decades to come, we believe sports betting will have the greatest long-term impact and create the greatest long-term value by greatly expanding the audience for American gaming. American gaming is an American consumer discretionary sector. Every American consumer discretionary sector competes with the attention, time, and spending of the American consumer. If a given sector can achieve competitive advantage in gaining and sustaining the attention of a potential new customer or consumer, that sector will likely generate outsized growth and value in the years to come. For American gaming as an American consumer discretionary sector, we strongly believe sports betting represents a new competitive advantage. What we believe sports betting does most powerfully is insert American gaming more broadly and deeply into the American conversation. Think about it: what are the two great mainstays of getting an American conversation going? Number one, weather; number two, sports. We'll see if the day ever comes when casinos offer betting on weather, but the day is now here when sports betting is getting powerfully woven into the all-consuming American conversation about sports. Just to cite two examples involving two of our tenants: every time the Caesars Sportsbook gets cited exclusively on ESPN, and every time Penn is able to deliver a sports betting message through its partner Barstool, each of these great American gaming companies is reaching an audience of potential new customers, especially potential new and younger customers. The American gaming sports betting represents a new and technology-enabled paradigm for reaching, engaging, and activating a new, bigger, and younger audience. This technology-enabled paradigm is a new tailwind behind American gaming. If you look at REIT asset class performance over the last few years, the winning asset classes in terms of superior total return have tended to be asset classes with technology-enabled tailwinds: cell towers, data centers, and e-commerce logistics are just three such examples. Conversely, the asset classes that have struggled tend to be those suffering from technology-related headwinds. We believe with high conviction that the gaming real estate asset class should, in the next few years, benefit from this technology-enabled tailwind. So all in all, 2020 was a year in which American gaming and American gaming real estate proved its defensive strengths by enduring through one of the great crises of our lifetimes. And 2020 also showed, thanks to the growing strength of sports betting, that American gaming arguably represents one of the most compelling offensive opportunities in the consumer discretionary sector in the coming years. The next sound you hear will be the sound of the American consumer roaring back. And as many of you have been writing about, after many months of consuming mainly things, American consumers will return to what has been their growing preference for the last two decades: the preference for consuming experiences over things. As some of you may have heard on the Sunstone Hotel Investors earnings call last week, our good friend and Sunstone CEO John Arabia cited transient bookings for the second half of the year at their Maui property that are currently double-digit, 133% above 2019 levels, and the outlook continues to improve on a weekly basis. We believe this is one of the many anecdotes around pent-up leisure demand that will benefit the consumer discretionary sector at large as the economy continues to reopen. I'll turn the call over to our President and COO John Payne, who will talk about what we have done and, more over, what we are doing to capitalize on the roaring return of the American consumer.
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John Payne10:32
Thanks Ed, and good morning to everyone. 2020 was another busy year for VICI as our hard work continues to pay off. In 2020, our team completed nearly $4.6 billion of transaction activity, growing our annualized revenue by approximately $360 million, or 37%. Throughout the year, we worked closely with each of our tenants as the pandemic unfolded to provide short-term solutions on an as-needed basis. As Ed stated, our cash rent collection track record of 100% to date is a testament to the quality and strength of our business model and our collaborative approach with our tenants. As you are undoubtedly aware, the recovery of the gaming industry has demonstrated that despite the many challenges over the past year, the consumer has not found a replacement for the bricks-and-mortar casino experience. Our portfolio of industry-leading assets in regional markets continues to demonstrate margin expansion, and in some cases profitability above 2019 levels. While our Las Vegas properties, led by Tom Reeg, Bren Junker, Anthony Carano, and the entire team at Caesars Entertainment, continue to outperform peers on the Strip. As we start 2021, we have the experience and credibility to explore opportunities both within and beyond gaming, and we are very encouraged by the volume and quality of potential transactions we see ahead. It is important to remember that for VICI, underwriting and investing in different sectors is not an either-or. We continue to develop relations with gaming operators, we look for ways to support existing tenants' growth, and we continue to spend time studying and meeting with operators in sectors beyond gaming in order to be prepared to transact when the right opportunities come together. Our gaming investments will likely continue to dwarf our non-gaming investments due to the sheer financial magnitude generated by gaming assets. However, we believe that growing our portfolio accretively through sector and geographic diversification while maintaining prudent risk levels will yield the superior returns our shareholders deserve. We believe VICI is in great position to continue our industry-leading growth and will abide by the same principles that have driven our success to date: we operate with integrity, to be the real estate partner of choice, we do fair deals, and we collaborate with our partners to create value for all parties. Now I'll turn the call over to David, who will discuss our financial results and our guidance.
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David Kieske13:19
Thanks John. Good morning everybody, thanks for joining us today. I want to start with our balance sheet. Since emergence, we have maintained a relentless focus on ensuring that we have a capital structure designed to weather all cycles and provide the safety and protection our equity and credit partners deserve. 2020 put forth that VICI was able to navigate some very heavy weather as we continue to transform our balance sheet all while maintaining ample liquidity and never drawing on our revolver. Just to summarize: in June 2020, we raised $662 million of equity through a 29.9 million share forward sale agreement. We still have 26.9 million shares outstanding representing approximately $547 million. We also raised $2.5 billion of an unsecured notes offering comprised of a mix of five-, seven-, and ten-year notes at a blended interest rate of 3.8%, continuing to stagger our maturity profile. $2 billion of these proceeds were used to fund the Eldorado transaction, and the remaining $500 million of proceeds were used to retire the 8% secured second lien notes. During 2020, we significantly improved our composition and weighted cost of debt. At emergence, we had 100% secured debt with a weighted average interest rate of 5.49% and a weighted average maturity of 2.9 years. As we sit here today, 69% of our debt is unsecured with a weighted average interest rate of 4.18% and a weighted average maturity of 6.1 years, with no maturities until 2024. As of December 31st, our net debt to LTM EBITDA was approximately 5.8 times. This ratio is not reflective of our true run-rate leverage as it does not include a full 12 months of income from the Eldorado transaction. Meaning if you take into consideration a full 12 months of rent from that transaction, our leverage would be well within our stated range of maintaining a net leverage ratio between five and five and a half times. And as of year-end, we currently have approximately $1.9 billion in available liquidity, providing ample flexibility for future creative growth. Just to reiterate, 2020 highlighted our guiding principles on how we approach our balance sheet, which are to maintain a disciplined composition and laddering of debt whereby in any one year we strive to have less than 20% of our total debt coming due, safeguarding the company's balance sheet against future market volatility. We're going to opportunistically access the capital markets to lock in funding certainty for all transactions and develop continued access and partnership from the equity and credit markets to finance accretive acquisitions. As I mentioned, our goal is to maintain a long-term target leverage ratio of between five and five and a half times on a net debt to EBITDA basis, and ultimately migrate the balance sheet to that of an unsecured issuer and achieve an investment grade rating. Just turning to the income statement: total GAAP revenues in Q4 increased 57% over Q4 2019 to $373 million. For the full year 2020, total GAAP revenues were $1.2 billion, an increase of 37% over 2019. These increases, as John mentioned, were the result of adding approximately $360 million of annual revenues during the year from the closing of the Eldorado transaction, the Caesars Forum Convention Center mortgage, the Chelsea Piers mortgage, and the Jack Cleveland Cinemas acquisition and related loan. AFFO for the fourth quarter was $217 million, or $0.46 per diluted share, bringing full year 2020 AFFO to $835.8 million, or $1.64 per diluted share. AFFO increased 28.7% year-over-year, while AFFO per diluted share increased approximately 10.8% over the prior year, which is due to the increased share count and resulting temporary dilution in the first half of 2020 from the June 2019 equity offering. Our results once again highlight our highly efficient triple-net model given the significant increase in EBITDA as a proportion of the corresponding increase in revenue. And our margins continue to run strong in the high 90% range when eliminating non-cash items. Our G&A was $8.1 million for the quarter, which we believe represents a good quarterly run rate going forward, and as a percentage of total revenues was only 2.2% for the quarter, in line with our full-year expectations and one of the lowest ratios in the triple-net sector. As always, for additional transparency, we point you to our quarterly financial supplement for a detailed breakdown of our revenue and lease streams, which is located in the investor section of our website under the menu heading Financials. We welcome any feedback on the materials. Turning to guidance: we are initiating AFFO guidance for 2021 in both absolute dollars as well as a per share basis. As many of you are aware, beginning in January 2020, we were required to implement the CECL accounting standard which, due to its inherent unpredictability, leaves us unable to forecast net income and FFO with accuracy. Accordingly, going forward our guidance will be focused on AFFO, as we believe AFFO represents the best way of measuring the productivity of our equity investments and evaluating our financial performance and ability to pay dividends. AFFO guidance for the year ending December 31st, 2021 is estimated to be between $1.10 billion and $1.35 billion, or between $1.82 and $1.87 per diluted share, which at the midpoint represents a 12.5% year-over-year growth in our AFFO per diluted share. These per share estimates reflect a dilutive impact of the pending 26.9 million forward sales shares assuming settlement of the forward agreement on June 17th, 2021, the maturity date of the agreement. In addition, these estimates do not include the impact from any pending or possible future acquisitions, dispositions, capital markets activities, or any impact from the incremental equity drawdown from these forward shares. During the fourth quarter, we paid a dividend of $0.33 per share, which represents an annualized dividend of $1.32 per share. Our AFFO payout ratio for the fourth quarter was approximately 72%, in line with our long-range target of 75%. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
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Operator20:10
At this time, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please go ahead and press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star one to ask a question. Your first question today comes from the line of the Tri with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst20:30
Hey, good morning guys. Ed, thanks for your enthusiastic comments to start the call. It's a maybe a valuable reminder that we on our side sometimes exist within our sort of narrow analyst speak bubbles, so I appreciate the reminder there. So pleasure. No, in all seriousness, but maybe I'll ask one sort of narrow question and then maybe a bigger picture question. But just in terms of really quickly on the Danville ROFR, maybe just help us understand, to the extent you can explain it at this point, some of the terms around that. And then may maybe I'm misinterpreting something here, but if I look at the ROFR as sort of recompense for giving up the security of the master lease at Southern Indiana, how do we sort of pair the value proposition on either side of that, if that's an appropriate way to think about it?
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John Payne21:34
Rich, I'm not sure that that's the exact way I'd think about it. I think the ROFR just has an opportunity obviously as the operators need to decide at some point if they ever want to monetize their real estate. We sure would like to own real estate in a new market which we think is going to do great. We're very excited about the new tenant that we're going to have in Southern Indiana. I've known the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians for almost 20 years now from my old job when I worked at Caesars, and we're excited to help them expand their portfolio for the first time outside of tribal land. So you know, again, as you've seen with other deals, Rich, when we negotiate and we do try to add to our embedded growth pipeline, and that's how this came about in Danville. And we'll just have to see if the operator ultimately wants to sell the real estate.
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Analyst22:34
Okay, I appreciate the color, John. And then a little bit from a bigger picture question, but also related to Southern Indiana. I know that the original press release stated 2.2 times coverage in the first year post-closing, so that puts us somewhere into sort of the mid-to-late 2022 by the end of that measurement period. But take us into sort of the underwriting and how you gain comfort with what stabilized cash flows on this, or really any other investment, are going to be over the next year or two. And how did the tenant and the landlord gain comfort in that sort of ramp-up, maybe as compared to 2019 or however we should think about it? Thanks.
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John Payne23:21
Yeah, Rich, I'll go first and my colleagues can jump in. First, it starts with the relationship of understanding who your partner is. As I just mentioned, I've been fortunate to have a relationship with the tribe and watch them grow their incredible business in North Carolina to record levels, as well as the regional business. Rich, as you know, has rebounded tremendously when there weren't many restrictions on the business. When the pandemic started in March and April, the casino shut down, but as they reopened in places like Southern Indiana, we've seen them open with the consumer returning to the business as well as a margin or an operating model that's much more efficient than ever before. I give great credit to our operators to do that. As we went into this deal, we put all of those together, we talked to the tenant, we understand how they're going to operate the business, and we developed the plan from there. But the critical part is understanding how this business is going to rebound as the consumer comes back to it. We're very excited to have them as our sixth tenant running the Southern Indiana property.
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Operator24:43
Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Palone with JPM Securities. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst24:52
Thanks and good morning. Ed and John have both talked about the importance of partnering with your tenants to drive growth. As you're thinking about non-gaming assets, is that equally important as you try to go down that path, or do you think you may just have to bid on assets and other product types and try to get it going that way?
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Edward Pitoniak25:15
Yeah, Tony, the way we are approaching non-gaming is that we really want to pioneer into categories where REITs may not necessarily have been heavily trafficking and bidding and buying. We really have no competitive advantage in heavily marketed, heavily bid categories. So what we're working hard to do, as we did in the case of Chelsea Piers, is identify either categories or subcategories where we believe there are operators who have uniquely powerful and enduring relationships with their customers and are producing economics that can support, more than richly support, an opco-propco structure. It obviously takes a bit more time, but we're very excited about what we are learning and who we are meeting and who we're getting to know and the opportunities that they represent. And I think, Tony, as we talked about with you around the whole technology tailwind theme, there are also cultural tailwinds out there. We think there are certain experiential sectors, especially at the higher end, that are going to have tremendous cultural and demographic tailwinds behind them for the next 10 to 20 years. And that's where we see our opportunities. It's really not in the commodity categories of triple net.
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Analyst26:46
Great. And then for David on the balance sheet, given what unfolded in 2020 and the performance of the portfolio, any sense as to just how much more attainable IG might be in the near term?
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David Kieske27:00
Yeah, Tony, it's something that we've discussed in depth with rating agencies. We met with the agencies several times during 2020, both in our regular checkup but also as the pandemic was unfolding. For us, it's really around the Term Loan. The Term Loan is secured by all but one of our assets, so we do not have a typical unencumbered asset pool like most traditional REITs do. So we need to refinance that secured Term Loan into the unsecured debt markets. As we move into 2021 and into 2022, we will sequence that refinancing of the Term Loan potentially into 2023, part and parcel with what may come in the acquisition pipeline and what sort of funding we may need for additional acquisitions. So there's a clear path. GLP has paved it and has proven that it's achievable. Tenant concentration in of itself is not a gating factor, but simply for VICI's cap stack and that Term Loan securing all of our assets is the gating item.
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Analyst28:09
Okay, and then just want to follow up on the other side of things. Again, given the performance of the space through the pandemic, do you think that changes the discussion around yields on investments as we look ahead?
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Edward Pitoniak28:26
It should. If this asset category behaves the way certainly so many other categories have, Tony, that have undergone an institutionalization process, yes, the prices should go higher. Our mission we work hard at every single day at VICI is to make sure our cost of capital improves at a rate equal to or in excess of the velocity of cap rate compression. But it just stands to reason that these assets should attract higher prices as time goes on as everyone recognizes that they came through a totally unforeseen magnitude of crisis, and they came through better than just about any leisure consumer discretionary sector out there as a real estate asset class. So yeah, you have to think, especially as people truly start crawling out from under the rock of COVID, that we should see what? But frankly, I joined VICI four years ago to take part in the next great cap rate compression story in American commercial real estate.
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Operator29:38
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Grambling with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst29:49
Morning. I guess a couple follow-ups on the last two questions. First, as you think about some of these potential acquisition opportunities within gaming, are there any markets that you feel are more or less attractive or easier to underwrite given your current exposure? And could you weigh in on how that resilience of cash flow from operators may be impacting seller expectations around price relative to perhaps where the broader cost of capital has moved?
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John Payne30:17
Absolutely. Good morning, Stephen. Look, there aren't any markets that we look at that we wouldn't. Right now, we like the fact that we have a balanced portfolio. We've said that since we started the company, and I think we'll continue to have a balanced portfolio. We like to own assets in these regional markets, and we've talked about how resilient they've been. We've talked about how they've changed the operating model, but we're also big believers in Las Vegas ever since we started this company, not only assets on the Strip but also in downtown and locals. So Stephen, we'll continue to turn over every rock and look at opportunities in all of the gaming markets. It doesn't mean that we'll invest in every market, but we sure will take the time to meet with operators and talk about how they're thinking about how we can help them grow. I'll turn it over to David to take the second part.
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David Kieske31:15
Yeah, Stephen, I think it was correct, correct me if I'm wrong, about pricing and how we think about capitalization. Pricing has maintained. The regional markets have come back. There is a level set obviously, not a lot of transactions, but the pricing in the regional markets is at or near where it was pre-COVID. TBD on Las Vegas given the little bit slower ramp there. But as we think about our capital and our leverage, we're very focused on maintaining our leverage between that five and five and a half times that we've talked about because that's, to Tony's question, something that's important for the agencies. And a deal has to be accretive. We've talked with you all a lot about what we buy day one is what we live with for 35 years, so we have to ensure that the capital and underwriting is done on an accretive basis to continue to grow our AFFO.
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Analyst32:12
That's helpful. And then a follow-up on the comment around non-gaming kind of non-heavy bid market opportunities. Should we interpret that any cap rates that you'd be pursuing in those markets could be equal or higher to those that you were pursuing in gaming? Or is there even a tolerance that as you look at some of these, because they are unique asset classes, that you could actually move down the cap rate spectrum?
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Edward Pitoniak32:40
It could be all of the above, Stephen. The fact that they're not heavily bid could mean there are better bargains to be had, but it could also be exactly to your last point, that we can afford to pay and justify paying maybe a somewhat tighter cap rate because of the nature of the asset, the risk profile of the asset, the barriers to entry, and what has been a very proven durability of the asset over the long term. So it will be, I hope this doesn't sound like sort of a vague answer, but it will be situation-specific.
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Analyst33:18
Fair enough. That's helpful. I'll jump back into the queue. Thank you.
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Operator33:24
Our next question comes from the line of Jonas with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst33:32
Great. Hey guys. Wanted to start on your embedded growth profile or sorry, embedded growth pipeline. Any thoughts on timing there? Caesars has been talking about selling a Strip asset, and I believe the Centaur call option could kick in starting next year. Thanks.
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John Payne33:55
Yeah, you named something we're very proud of, that we've worked on for three years, building this embedded pipeline with the...
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Edward Pitoniak34:03
Let me jump in, John. The embedded growth pipeline is something we've been cultivating since we started VICI. We have a number of options and ROFRs, including the Caesars Strip asset and the Centaur call you mentioned. Timing is not something we control entirely — it depends on when our tenants decide to transact. But we are positioned to act when those opportunities materialize. Caesars has been public about wanting to monetize some Strip real estate, so we watch that closely. The Centaur option starts next year, and we'll evaluate it at that time. We're patient and we're ready.
Deals that we've announced, and we'll continue to talk to our partner in Caesars about what they're seeing ahead and what they're feeling about the Las Vegas market. Do they still feel, as they did when the Eldorado team took over Caesars, that they may have one or two incremental assets that they don't feel like they need in their portfolio, and they'd end up going through a sales process? As I mentioned a few minutes ago, we're big believers in Las Vegas. We think this is a market that is going to rebound in all segments. So if they want to move forward with a sale, we're obviously very interested in owning more real estate. Those assets that we have, you also mentioned the put-call of the two great Indiana assets in Indianapolis that do come to your right on point next year. Again, we'll continue to have talks with our partner about that. So two tremendous opportunities for us that we really worked to develop over the years with our embedded pipeline. As it pertains to timing, we'll just have to continue to have discussions with our partners on that.
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John Payne35:15
Hey, and Barry, if I could just add on something. It kind of goes back to my opening remarks around VICI's growth in 2020. Someone could say, 'Yeah, okay, well the market's already priced that growth in.' And yet, what I don't think is being fully appreciated or valued in VICI is not only the growth we produced in 2020 and the growth trajectory that we bring into 2021, but the growth that is represented by that embedded growth pipeline. Just to get a little old school on you here, which I'm allowed to do because I'm really quite an old guy, I really encourage everybody to look at VICI on that old-fashioned price-earnings growth ratio basis, using our AFFO multiple in place of a PE multiple. What you will find, especially looking over a multi-year period, is that we will likely have, in your calculations, one of the lowest PEG ratios you will find across the American REIT spectrum, and certainly substantially below the PEG of the S&P 500 at this current point in time. Again, I encourage a multi-year view because a lot of REITs are going to grow in 2021 because they shrank in 2020. What you're getting with VICI is a multi-year growth profile that goes into the future, and just the way you described, Barry, thanks to the fact that in 2022, even if we couldn't get anything else done, we've got Centaur and the opportunity to call.
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Analyst36:48
Yep, yep. Then just one follow-up, recognizing it's been done so far in concert with your tenant, but do you foresee any more dispositions or rings in the portfolio?
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John Payne37:03
Barry, I don't. We'll have to continue to study that, but not specifically at this time. We'll have to continue to understand if there would be an opportunity.
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Analyst37:16
Great, thanks so much guys.
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Operator37:21
Your next question comes from the line of [Name] with City. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst37:29
Hi, thank you. I wanted to ask you, you added a second Native American tenant, and I'm just wondering, do you think this will be a trend to see more Native Americans moving away from tribal gaming and into commercial gaming? And do you think you have maybe an advantage with two tenants in that wheelhouse already? Just touch on that a little bit.
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John Payne37:52
Yeah, it's a great question. It's exciting to see the tribes move into commercial gaming because they've done so well in their original casinos. So you're asking, will there be other tribes that will look at commercial gaming opportunity? I think there will be. And I think we do have relationships with numerous tribes, just based on my experience, my 20 years working at Caesars and working on Native American tribal development. So we'll continue to meet with them, understand if they would like to diversify outside their nation, and if they do, look for opportunities where we can work together. I hope that trend continues because I think it's quite exciting for the nations that are doing this. Obviously we've got relationships with the Seminole and the Eastern Band of Cherokee.
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Analyst38:48
Okay, thank you, that's interesting. And then do you see, John, maybe are you seeing any other entrants that have an incremental interest in the gaming industry now, given where cap rates are and how resilient it's been on a relative basis? I know the regulatory hurdles, but did you expect to see more players coming into the space?
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John Payne39:10
Yeah, it's a great question. There's no doubt that the resiliency of the gaming operators during the pandemic has caught people's eyes. When a lot of industries are still talking about cash burn, and regional gaming companies are talking about record EBITDA, it's going to catch the attention of many people that invest in the hospitality or experiential space. So your question is, will others come into the space? There's no doubt that others are looking at it because of how well these assets have performed and the magnitude of cash flows. But as you know, this business, the operating business, is quite complex and it has some licensing requirements. But I do think over time you'll see more groups getting into the business because, not only the bricks and mortar, but as Ed's comments at the beginning, how exciting the growth path is when you tie in sports betting and potentially iGaming.
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Analyst40:15
Okay, thank you, appreciate it.
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Operator40:18
Your next question comes from the line of Carlos Cerelli with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst40:25
Hey guys, thanks. John, I was wondering if maybe you could just address from a high level, we're almost a year into the pandemic era, and maybe go back to prior to that, the nature of your discussions around deals, and I'm referring more towards terms, whether it's coverage, things like that. Maybe address anything that's changed in the aftermath. Are potential sellers looking at different things? I mean that both from the opco perspective, the seller's perspective, your perspective. Is there anything that stands out as having been tweaked a little bit given the circumstances of the pandemic, as well as the higher margins we're seeing now, and the emerging business lines? Is there anything that you've noticed that's been dramatically different?
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John Payne41:19
Well, I'll start, Carlo. I can't remember before the pandemic what went on; I seem to have forgotten all of that. But no, look, I've tried to have a constant dialogue not only with our current tenants but with all the operators in the gaming space. I think as we think about underwriting, maybe we've talked more about rent coverage just due to what happened in the pandemic. But I think Ed touched on this as well. It's just been exciting to watch the operators change their business model so that when they come out of this pandemic, and I do believe we're going to come out of it, they're operating these businesses just so much more efficiently than guys like I did 15 years ago. That's exciting, Carlo, and those are the type of conversations that we're having as it pertains to transactions. We just continue to try to understand how the opcos want to grow their business and if there is an opportunity for our company to help them do that. Obviously there are a few levers, if we do get into negotiations, that you talked about: cap rate, coverage, escalation. None of those have necessarily changed. So that's how I'd answer that question, Carlo. I don't know if Ed wants to add anything or David, but that's how I'd leave it.
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Analyst42:48
That's helpful, John, thank you.
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Operator42:54
Your next question comes from the line of Todd Spender with Wells Fargo Securities. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst43:02
Hi, thanks. Do I have it right that Caesars Southern Indiana is not on tribal land? Is that the case?
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John Payne43:11
Correct.
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Analyst43:13
Okay. Now, does Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians benefit from lower regulations, lower taxes? How do you actually underwrite that one? It seems pretty unique.
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John Payne43:28
If you're asking about when they're the commercial operator of Southern Indiana, they'll follow the same rules as a commercial operator, whether it's Caesars or Penn or any of them. The same rules will apply to them because the facility is not on tribal land.
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Analyst43:44
I understand. So as a tribal operator, you don't get all those benefits if you're off of tribal land.
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John Payne43:51
Yeah, very similar to the Seminole and their Hard Rock brand. I think you've probably followed that they have numerous casinos around the United States that they operate.
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Analyst44:00
Understood. Okay, thank you, John. And did you share any information on the land and plans around the Danville, Virginia casino resort?
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John Payne44:14
Can you repeat? Did we share the what?
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Analyst44:17
Yeah, the proposed plans. There's the right of first refusal to run a Danville property. Are there any...?
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John Payne44:24
Yeah, that's a development project that is just getting started. So there's information about Caesars, they won the license and their development plan there, but it's just getting started.
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Analyst44:38
Understood, thank you.
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Operator44:41
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Adam with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst44:52
Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. So you entered the quarter with $1.9 billion in total liquidity, including over $326 million in cash and $547 million that you have coming in from the forward share sale. You're in an envious position from a balance sheet perspective, obviously, but you're also arguably overcapitalized right now. Given your balance sheet strength, how do you intend to deploy excess cash? Are there any near-term deals, maybe in the next one to two quarters, that are currently in the pipeline?
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Edward Pitoniak45:33
Yeah, I'll start there, Dan. John can talk about the M&A landscape and outlook, but we have always historically—I should say, it's silly to use the word 'always' when the company is only about three years from its IPO, as we are—but from the beginning, we have always sought to equitize the balance sheet in the interest of having firepower when opportunity strikes. There may have been at times some near-term dilution taken on, but that was near-term dilution endured for the sake of having firepower to create long-term accretion to our ability to move very quickly when opportunity presents itself. We certainly do not intend to shortchange our shareholders by keeping excess capital on the balance sheet for prolonged periods of time. But we're pretty confident we're going to be able to put that capital to work.
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Analyst46:43
Okay, great. I don't know, John, nothing to follow up on?
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John Payne46:47
No, I think Ed talked about it. I mean, I'm spending my time—it's nice to be able to talk to the operators where they're not focused on how to reopen and how to be safe. They've done all that. Right now they can begin to talk about how do we grow, where do we want to go, and how sports betting is helping attract new customers and those things. So it's nice to begin to have the growth conversations again.
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Analyst47:18
Okay, great. And then—
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Edward Pitoniak47:20
Yeah, Dan, I was just going to add that I think one of the emerging dynamics that is powerful and positive is the growing recognition of the value of network effect in American gaming. Harrah's and then Caesars obviously were the pioneers of true network effect in American gaming and would still widely be considered to be the leaders through the power of Caesars Rewards. But I think increasingly operators are recognizing, in part because of sports betting, that there is genuine value in creating network effect and having stores in as many jurisdictions as you can. That we think is going to be a powerful force, especially once COVID clears away, in continuing to drive M&A, with a lot of the M&A driven not so much by the seller's need to get out as the buyer's intense desire to get in. There are markets in which buyer demand can create incremental supply.
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Analyst48:25
That makes sense. I think you're alluding to market access rates?
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Edward Pitoniak48:28
Yes, I'm not—well, market access, but also through market access being more valuable unto yourself and more valuable to your partners, whether it be a Barstool, William Hill, FanDuel, DraftKings, whoever your partner may be.
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Analyst48:49
Great. And then, just turning to the non-gaming side, last quarter you alluded to the potential for follow-on transactions with Chelsea Piers. Do you have an update on the timing of any such follow-on deals, and how might a transaction be structured?
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David Kieske49:14
Thanks, David. Yeah, Dan, good to talk to you. Look, as we've talked about with Chelsea Piers, it's opened the door, opened other eyes, and increased the dialogue around non-gaming. Ed described it well in the beginning: non-commodity, high-quality real estate. With any deal, we can't talk about specific timing or whatnot, but we would continue to meet, discuss, and have conversations with great operators that have great real estate that might fit into our portfolio. So I can't say exactly when the next deal will come, but we're optimistic that there'll be some more non-gaming this year. But again, just to reiterate what John said, it's not an either/or. We're very active on the acquisition front, and as we started the conversation, working to deploy that capital that we have on our balance sheet.
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Analyst50:06
Thank you.
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Operator50:11
Your next question comes from the line of John DeCree with Union Gaming. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst50:18
Hi everyone, thank you for taking my questions. Maybe one for Ed and then a follow-up for John. Ed, in prepared remarks you talked a bit about the sports betting expansion and how that's such an exciting opportunity for the industry. I think a lot of folks can see a clear picture of how that benefits your tenants and indirectly you guys with higher rent coverage and higher revenue. But I'm curious if you have thought of or identified any ways that VICI could benefit directly, not referring to sharing in revenue or anything like that, but if there's an opportunity to fund themed sportsbooks or look at your leases a little differently given the earnings growth potential of your tenants and potential tenants. Just seeing if there are ways you can find direct ways to benefit from this big industry trend.
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Edward Pitoniak51:10
Yeah, no, it's a very good question, John. That would certainly be probably the most meaningful way, which would be as a capital provider as great operators envision and execute what the whole sports betting, sports culture, sports viewing experience can be within a casino. John, I don't know if you've had a chance yet to go to Derek Stevens' new asset in downtown Las Vegas, but it is a great example. John Payne has been there, and John, maybe you can talk about it as an example of what we would certainly be happy with our tenants to fund, given the magnitude and vision that Derek has realized there.
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John Payne51:57
Yeah, John, you might have been there. It's a really well-done, brand new facility in downtown Las Vegas that is centered around a lot of sports betting and the uniqueness there and the type of customer that likes that type of facility. So anyway, it's just a great example of the trends that are going on right now, the first build-from-scratch casino during this sports betting trend or phase. It's a really neat place.
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Analyst52:35
It is, it's a great place. I was thinking barstool-themed sportsbooks and those types of things. So it sounds like if a large tenant was going to refresh and rebrand, VICI could be a capital provider for that development in exchange for some... got it. Great. John, a question for you. You've experienced quite a few development cycles nationally, and it seems like we're on the horizon of one here in the US. A lot of investors new to the space are always trying to calculate the TAM and number of assets. We've got developments in Nebraska, Virginia, Danville for you guys. New York's talking about expanding casinos downstate. Texas is one that I probably would have never thought I'd be having that conversation again, but it's being talked about. In your experience, I'm curious to get your thoughts, realizing no crystal ball here, but are you seeing a push towards development? I know Red Rock on their call has a site in Las Vegas that's very interesting. So curious to get your thoughts on your outlook for gaming expansion in the US.
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John Payne53:46
Yeah, John, isn't it an exciting time? I'm 25 years into this, and I can't think of a time that has so many different levers of growth for this industry. Most calls are talking about sports betting and iGaming, and you just brought up a whole other opportunity that is out there where there are new development opportunities for operators to expand their network. It is quite exciting. Whether Texas comes, but there are already the states you mentioned: Virginia, Nebraska, potentially New York. Those are three big opportunities. So it is an exciting time. It's obviously something that we talk to our tenants or future tenants about, to see if there is a way to structure that makes sense for VICI and our triple-net model. We'll just continue to study it. But John, it's just the normalization of gaming throughout the United States is amazing right now. It's great to be in the space that we're in and to see the success of our operators.
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Analyst55:00
Thanks, John and David, appreciate the insights.
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Operator55:04
Thank you, John. Thanks, John. Your next question comes from the line of John Masaka with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst55:17
Good morning. Hey John, just have one for me. Maybe touching on the opportunity in Central Indiana again. How do you think about timing of potentially pulling down that transaction? I'm thinking about this given rent levels are already predetermined in that transaction, and you record operating results out there and maybe some questions about how sustainable those are and how sustainable those margins are. Does it make sense to maybe wait a little and see if kind of even normalizes and get out at a rent level that's really appropriate for the property, or is it kind of the time you have it is time you're collecting rents and there's no reason to wait if you like the properties per se?
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John Payne56:05
John, or David?
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David Kieske56:08
Well, the process is it right now just so we're clear. I mean, we own Southern Indiana right now, I think you know that. Central Indiana... David, you want to take that?
Yeah, I mean, John, it's a question that we got a lot when we merged, right? As people recall, we had the three call properties that we could call, and that ultimately folded into the Eldorado transaction that we announced in June of '19. So John touched on it, right? We've worked hard to build this embedded growth pipeline. So it's a combination of ensuring that we have consistent annual growth, working with Tom and Brett and Anthony and their team on what makes sense for their capital needs and their ultimate sale of those assets. And then you're right, the performance of the assets will be a third factor and a third lever. But those call properties, that put-call runs from January 1st, 2022 to December 31st, 2024. So at some point between that period of time, we're going to be thrilled to own those at a great cap rate which should be highly accretive. But there's a myriad of factors that go into it. We're excited to have that embedded growth.
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Analyst57:23
I mean, is there any question about, on an individual asset level, whether rents are maybe sustainable for the property? Or is there even—hey, Caesars is a tenant, we trust, obviously we have a lot of other exposure to Caesars. I don't believe these are kind of corporate guaranteed, but at the end of the day...
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David Kieske57:44
Yeah, no, John, it's a good question. One of the things we did get with the Eldorado transaction is that those would fold into the master lease. If you recall, we had a ROFR on those originally, and we converted that to a put-call, and those will fold into the master lease. So they will benefit from the corporate guarantee. And the asset-level coverage is something that we'll take into consideration, but knowing that they fold into the benefit of the master lease gives VICI enhanced protection. Ultimately, part of the reason Tom and team were willing to do the put-call is Tom's vision of bringing back and achieving an investment-grade rating on their side. This provides significant liquidity to pay down debt or continue their growth profile and improve the credit of our tenant, which will accrue through to VICI with enhanced rent protections.
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Analyst58:38
Okay, that makes sense. Understood, and that's it for me. Thank you.
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Operator58:47
Thank you, John. Your next question comes from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst58:55
Hi everyone, thanks for having me in. I'll keep it short. I know there's an awful lot of focus on Las Vegas, and I'd love your perspective on how you're generally speaking underwriting Las Vegas. Meaning, operators are obviously projecting optimism, but from the investment perspective, are you anticipating revenues getting back to 2019 levels in the next couple years? Are you underwriting something less than that? Just how are you qualitatively thinking about that?
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Edward Pitoniak59:31
Yeah, John can answer that in a moment, David. But I will just start by pointing out that this week we all learned that Koch Industries, which has a rather strong record of capital allocation, has seen fit to put capital on Las Vegas, which I took as a net positive. But anyway, John, you want to answer David's question?
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John Payne59:51
Yeah, David, look, I touched on it earlier on the call. I probably sound like a broken record in my three years in this job. I mean, we're big believers in Las Vegas pre-pandemic and post-pandemic. This is a city that has multiple layers of levers of revenue. We think the FIT customer is going to recover. We think the MICE business is going to be way ahead of many other US destination cities. We think that plane supply will be added back to this market quicker than most destination markets, maybe faster than any market. So we're believers in this market. The performance in Las Vegas has been—people like to compare it to 2019 and 2020, and I think that's a little unfair. I like to compare the performance of Las Vegas versus other US destination cities. When you look at the performance of Las Vegas in 2020, which is probably going to be one of their worst years ever, compare it to New York, Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Orlando. I mean, this is a city that's very resilient, and the teams there are working very hard. The other thing I'll say, David, is that we've seen this margin expansion in the regional markets because revenues have come back close to 2019 levels. When Las Vegas sees revenues come back to that type of level, I think you're going to see similar margin expansion at many of these operators because they've worked very hard to change the operating model. So we'll have to see that because revenues have got to come back. So anyway, that's just a long way of saying we're believers in the market, the Strip. We talked about Circa and downtown and how downtown's changing, and the results out of the local market from what I've seen from Red Rock results and Boyd Gaming, those businesses seem strong. So anyway, we like the market and we'll continue to see if there are opportunities for us.
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Analyst1:01:54
Agreed. Thanks very much.
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Operator1:01:56
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Peter Herman with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst1:02:07
Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Can you walk us through the base case scenario for the upcoming Greektown variable rent adjustment, and also give some color on the Margaritaville rent adjustment too?
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David Kieske1:02:20
Thanks. David or Danny? Yep, I can take that. Hey, good. So, Margaritaville—and just to put the 10 leases in perspective, right? There's a variable rent component which is a small percentage of the overall rent that we get on an annual basis. For Margaritaville, it's $3 million of a $235 million of annual rent. For Margaritaville, we did not earn the escalator at that property since the rent did not exceed the prior revenue metrics. So the variable rent decreased, and that was less than $100,000 decrease, so very de minimis on our total base rent. Then for Greektown, that's coming up in June. Again, the variable component is $6.4 million out of the $55.6 million of total rent we collect. That $6.4 million of variable rent is only 50 basis points of our total revenue, so a small component of our total rent base again. We'll have to see how that plays out given that's coming up in June.
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Analyst1:03:24
Got it, thank you.
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Operator1:03:31
Our next question comes from the line of Jay Corri. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst1:03:39
Hey, thanks guys. One of your peers this morning said they are recently seeing increased non-gaming opportunities come up, and I'm wondering if this is true for you as well, and if so, what's the reason for the recent pickup?
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Edward Pitoniak1:03:53
Yeah, it's an interesting way to phrase it. I mean, what we've been doing is going and looking for, as I described earlier, Jay, off-market categories where REITs have typically not gone. So we are much more oriented to going and finding what we most want to invest in, as opposed to letting the market present opportunities to us, because the market tends to present opportunities to a would-be bidder that are by definition more mainstream and commoditized.
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Analyst1:04:35
Okay, just wanted to fit one in there, so thanks for that.
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Operator1:04:43
Thank you. And again, to ask a question that is... your next question comes from the line of Spencer Allaway with Green Street. Please proceed with your question.
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Analyst1:04:54
Thank you. Could you guys just share your thoughts on the potential upside from New York expanding legislation around online sports betting? And then are there any other states that should be top of mind in terms of evolving regulation or legislation currently?
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Edward Pitoniak1:05:09
Yeah, well, Spencer, good to hear from you. We actually don't have any assets within New York state right now. But what I would say about New York state is what I would say generally in terms of how we're viewing sports betting, which is really a key means of market or audience expansion. There will be a lot—once New York figures out what it wants to do in sports betting, sports betting and the culture around it will enable it to truly widen its audience in the way so many other states and operators are doing. So we again don't have any highly informed thoughts around New York, but very excited about what this means for gaming nationwide.
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Analyst1:05:56
Okay. And just one more. I believe we discussed this sometime last year, but any more thought given to structuring variable rent based more on EBITDA or income versus revenue currently?
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Edward Pitoniak1:06:08
Well, by REIT law or legislation, Spencer, rent variation has to be based on revenue. REITs are not allowed profit participation. So for that reason, we would expect to see all kinds of variable rent mechanisms continue to be revenue-based.
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David Kieske1:06:30
I think that's the right way to put it. Yep, that's right.
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Analyst1:06:36
Exactly. Thank you guys.
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Operator1:06:41
Thanks. And there are no further questions in Q&A at this time. I turn the call back to the presenters for closing remarks.
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Edward Pitoniak1:06:48
Thank you, Amy. In closing, we thank you for your engagement with us this morning. As you can tell, we are very excited about our present situation, our near-term opportunities, and our long-term prospects. We've been saying since we started in 2017 that gaming real estate represents the next great institutionalization story in American commercial real estate. Our conviction behind that thesis has only grown stronger, and we believe it can be fully realized as we collectively witness the roaring back of the American consumer. Thanks again everyone. Bye for now.
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Operator1:07:23
And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Presenters, please remain on the line.