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Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer, Zoom Video Communications

Zoom Video Communications $ZM Q4 2023 Earnings Call

🎥 Feb 27, 2023 📺 Earnings Call ⏱ 64m 👁 284 views
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About Kelly Steckelberg

Kelly Steckelberg, Zoom’s CFO, has discussed the company’s financial performance and strategy in multiple media appearances. In February 2024, she told CNBC’s Jim Cramer that Zoom’s priority is investing for growth, both organically and through potential acquisitions, while also executing a $1.5 billion share repurchase program. She stated that Zoom is expanding its platform with features like workspace reservation to support hybrid work. In November 2023, she said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that Zoom was pleased with its Q3 results, noting that Zoom Phone had crossed the 10% of revenue threshold and that the company uses a “federated approach” to AI, working with multiple models including OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta. She also highlighted that the company saw stabilization in its online business earlier than expected and reported peak gross margins of 80.5%. Steckelberg has also addressed the company’s approach to hybrid work and competition. In a December 2023 interview, she said Zoom’s structured hybrid approach, asking employees near an office to come in two days a week, was going well and that 65% of employees remain remote. She has described Microsoft as a partner, stating that Zoom works with customers to integrate its products with Microsoft’s offerings. At Zoomtopia 2023, she said the company would not charge extra for its AI Companion, aiming to make it available to all paying customers. Steckelberg, a UT McCombs alumna, has said that her goal of becoming a public company CFO was realized with Zoom’s IPO, and she has established an endowed scholarship at the business school.

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Transcript (104 segments)
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Host0:01
Let's see. Well hello everyone and welcome to Zoom's Q4 FY23 earnings release webinar. As a reminder, today's webinar is being recorded. And now I will turn things over to Tom McCallum, head of Investor Relations. Tom, over to you.
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Tom McCallum0:18
Thank you, Kelsey. Hello everyone and welcome to Zoom's earnings video webinar for the fourth quarter and full year of FY23. I'm joined today by Zoom's founder and CEO Eric Yuan and Zoom CFO Kelly Steckelberg. Our earnings press release was issued today after the market closed and may be downloaded from the investor relations page at investors.zoom.us. Also on this page, you'll be able to find a copy of today's prepared remarks and a slide deck with financial highlights that, along with our earnings release, include a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our financial outlook for the first quarter and full fiscal year 2024, our expectations regarding financial and business trends, impacts from the macro environment, our market position, opportunities, go-to-market initiatives, growth strategies and business aspirations, and product initiatives and the expected benefits of such initiatives. These statements are only predictions that are based on what we believe today, and actual results may differ materially. These forward-looking statements are subject to the risks and other factors that could affect our performance and financial results, which we discuss in detail in our filings with the SEC, including our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Zoom assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make on today's webinar. And with that, let me show you a quick video highlighting our exciting technologies before turning the discussion over to Eric. Kelsey, please queue up the video.
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Eric Yuan3:25
Wow, that's amazing. Thank you, Tom, and thank you everyone for joining us today. So FY23 was truly a pivotal period in our evolution into a full collaboration platform. As you saw in the video, we launched multiple innovations to help transform work and expanded our product portfolio to open new markets. Since Zoom Contact Center was released early last year, we have worked hard to expand its features, functionality, and integrations. In Q4, we landed a 2000-seat contact center deal, our largest to date. It actually demonstrated the rapid progress we have made towards becoming a full-fledged contact center solution. And the success of our Zoom One bundle, which we launched last June, contributed to the strong performance of Zoom Phone, which in Q4 exceeded 5.5 million seats, making us a clear leader in the space. We closed out the fiscal year with the release of Zoom Virtual Agent and intelligent conversational AI, a chat bot solution that we believe will transform the way businesses assist their customers and employees. FY23 was not without its challenges. We experienced relevance in terms of currency impact, online contraction, and deal scrutiny, which continued into Q4. And a few weeks ago, we made a very tough but necessary decision to reduce our workforce by 15% and say goodbye to around 1,300 hardworking, talented Zoom colleagues. I want to extend to them my heartfelt appreciation and deep gratitude for their crucial contributions to Zoom. This painful exercise has been a tremendous learning experience for us, and it allows us to look inward, to reset ourselves so we can navigate the economic environment with greater focus and agility, deliver for our customers, and achieve Zoom's long-term vision. Now let me discuss our strategic focuses in FY24 and beyond. First, we'll reinvent teamwork through offering new immersive experiences that improve employee engagement and modern collaboration tools for ideation across locations and modalities. And we will give teams everything they need through a single pane of glass. Second, the age of AI and the large language models has arrived, and we want to empower smarter experiences and workflows that truly enable our customers to benefit from these transformational tools. By embedding AI into more workflows, we can provide our customers with richer, more actionable insights that empower them to work smarter and serve their customers better. Zoom IQ, Zoom Virtual Agent, as well as our translation, captioning, and meeting summary tools are just the beginning. We'll embed more AI technologies into our products to truly help our customers maximize their ROI on our platform and thrive in this new era of computing. Third, we will offer more and more department-specific solutions to meet their nuanced digital transformation needs. We constantly solicit feedback not only from CIOs but also heads of sales, customer experience leads, and many other leaders across various industries. Zoom Marketing for Sales was built in this collaborative fashion and has already added tremendous value to many sales teams. You can expect additional industry-specific and deployment-specific applications developed both by us and our third-party partners. All of this comes together as a collaboration platform that unites people to unlock their potential, delivers more dynamic and intelligent experiences, and allows us to reimagine productivity and work. As we navigate this period of technological and economic volatility, our role as a trusted partner providing best-in-class unified communication services has never been more crucial. Again, this is a tremendous opportunity in front of us, and we are very confident that our strong foundation, ambitious vision, and customer-centric culture will enable us to seize this opportunity and continue to lead the way in the unified communications and collaboration space. Now, moving on to some of our customer wins. I want to thank Aramco, one of the world's leading integrated energy and chemicals companies, for establishing a strategic partnership with Zoom. This is a landmark multi-year partnership where we will provide a full suite of collaboration services, including Zoom Meetings, Team Chat, Phone, Events, and Zoom Rooms. In addition, we will work together to build a data center in the region and explore the joint development of innovative technology solutions. We are so grateful that Aramco chose to partner with Zoom on their digitization strategy. I'd also like to thank NASDAQ, my favorite company, who has been a Zoom customer for several years. Recognizing Zoom's strong reliability, security, and ease of use, they expanded to Zoom One, our unified communications and collaboration bundle. As part of this expansion, NASDAQ will be deploying Zoom Phone and also adding capabilities like translation and advanced whiteboard for their Zoom Meetings. I also want to thank Raymond James, a leading financial services company, for expanding their relationship with us by integrating Zoom Phone into their Zoom Meetings implementation for a more complete communications package. We are excited to work with Raymond James to provide a highly reliable and secure system, enabling their employees to communicate, collaborate, and ultimately thrive in a hybrid work world. I want to also thank Barracuda Networks, which builds cloud-first, enterprise-grade security solutions, for expanding with Zoom. A long-standing Zoom Meetings customer, Barracuda saw the value of having a single platform for all their communications needs and upgraded to Zoom Enterprise Plus in Q4. In addition, Barracuda also chose Zoom IQ for Sales to enhance sales engagement and Zoom Contact Center to elevate the customer experience. Again, thank you to Aramco, NASDAQ, Raymond James, Barracuda Networks, and all of our customers worldwide. And before closing, let me express my warm welcome to Cindy Hoods for joining our board of directors. Cindy brings diverse experience as the chief digital officer and chief information officer at AstraZeneca. We're so excited to work with her. I also want to welcome our new Chief Product Officer, Smitha Asim, who joins us from an executive career at Microsoft and Google. We are also super excited to work with her. And with that, I'll pass over to Kelly. Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg12:58
Thank you, Eric, and hello everyone. Let me start with a few of the financial highlights for FY23 and the results for Q4, and then provide our outlook for Q1 and FY24. We delivered solid results in FY23. Here were some of the highlights: our Enterprise business grew 24%, our non-GAAP operating margin was 35.9%, and we achieved a free cash flow margin of 27%. In Q4, total revenue came in at $1.118 billion, up 4% year-over-year and 6% in constant currency. This result was approximately $13 million above the high end of our guidance. The growth in revenue was primarily driven by strength in our Enterprise business, which grew 18% year-over-year and represented 57% of total revenue, up from 50% a year ago. We expect Enterprise customers to comprise an increasingly higher percentage of total revenue over time. From a product perspective, we had strong growth in Zoom Phone, coupled with contribution from Zoom Rooms and other products. Online average monthly churn decreased to 3.4% from 3.8% in Q4 of FY22, and increased slightly from 3.1% in Q3 as expected due to seasonality. The number of Enterprise customers grew 12% year-over-year to approximately 213,000. Our trailing 12-month net dollar expansion rate for Enterprise customers in Q4 came in at a healthy 115%. We saw 27% year-over-year growth in the upmarket as we ended the quarter with 3,471 customers contributing more than $100,000 in trailing 12 months revenue. These customers represent 28% of revenue, up from 23% in Q4 of FY22, and span diverse industries such as healthcare, education, government, and more. Our Americas revenue grew 10% year-over-year. EMEA continues to be impacted by the stronger dollar, macro headwinds, and online performance, which combined led to a decline of 9% year-over-year. APAC, also impacted by the stronger dollar, declined 5% year-over-year. Now, turning to expenses and margins. A quick note on our GAAP results in Q4: they included a one-time stock-based compensation expense of $208 million due to the sun setting of our supplemental grant program, which carries neither diluted nor tax deduction impacts. Moving on to our non-GAAP results, which exclude stock-based compensation expense and associated payroll taxes, acquisition-related expenses, net litigation settlements, net gains or losses on strategic investments, undistributed earnings attributable to participating securities, and all associated tax effects. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q4 was 79.8%, an improvement from 78.3% in Q4 of last year and 79.5% last quarter. The sequential improvement was mainly due to optimizing usage across the public cloud and our co-located data centers. For FY24, we expect non-GAAP gross margin to be approximately 79.5%. Research and development expense grew by 43% year-over-year to approximately $103 million. As a percentage of total revenue, R&D expense increased to 9.2% from 6.7% in Q4 of last year, reflecting our investments in expanding our product portfolio. Looking ahead, innovation will remain a top priority for Zoom. Sales and marketing expense grew by 20% year-over-year to $301 million. This represented approximately 26.9% of total revenue, up from 23.4% in Q4 of last year. As part of our restructuring, we are optimizing our go-to-market strategy to better support our Enterprise customers and drive additional productivity. G&A expense declined by 12% to $84 million, or approximately 7.5% of total revenue, down from 8.9% in Q4 of last year, as we focused on achieving greater efficiencies in our back office. Non-GAAP operating income was $405 million, exceeding the high end of our guidance of $326 million, as we took actions to reprioritize our investments in Q4. This translates to a 36.2% non-GAAP operating margin for Q4, as compared to 39.2% in Q4 of last year. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share in Q4 was $1.22, 44 cents above the high end of our guidance. Due to our share repurchase program, our Q4 weighted average share count has decreased year-over-year by approximately 5 million shares to 301 million. Turning to the balance sheet, deferred revenue at the end of the period was $1.3 billion, up 11% year-over-year from $1.2 billion. This is above our guidance as we saw increased commitments from customers and extended contract durations. Looking at both our billed and unbilled contracts, our RPO totaled approximately $3.4 billion, up 30% year-over-year from $2.6 billion. We expect to recognize approximately 56% of the total RPO as revenue over the next 12 months, as compared to 63% in Q4 of last year. As a reminder, our annual seasonality of renewals is weighted towards the first half of the year. We expect Q1 deferred revenue to be up zero to 1% year-over-year, partially due to the strengthening of the dollar starting late in Q1 of FY23. Since then, the major currencies we do business in are down 5 to 10% vis-a-vis the dollar. We ended the quarter with approximately $5.4 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities, excluding restricted cash. We had operating cash flow in the quarter of $212 million, up from $209 million in Q4 of last year. Free cash flow was $183 million, as compared to $189 million in Q4 of last year. Our margins for operating cash flow and free cash flow were 18.9% and 16.4%, respectively. Because Section 174 tax legislation requiring capitalization of R&D expenses was not repealed in FY23, we incurred an additional cash tax payment in Q4. Despite this payment, we still exceeded the high end of our previously provided range by $36 million, for a full year total of $1.186 billion. For FY24, we expect free cash flow to be in the range of $1.2 to $1.25 billion. Now, turning to guidance. For the first quarter of FY24, we expect revenue to be in the range of $1.08 to $1.085 billion, which at the midpoint would represent approximately 1% year-over-year growth, or 2% in constant currency. We expect non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $374 to $379 million. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $0.96 to $0.98, based on approximately 304 million shares outstanding. This outlook reflects the three fewer days in Q1 versus all other quarters. For the full year of FY24, we expect revenue to be in the range of $4.435 to $4.455 billion, which at the midpoint represents approximately 1% year-over-year growth, or 2% in constant currency. We expect our non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $1.606 to $1.626 billion, representing a non-GAAP operating margin of approximately 36%. Our tax rate is expected to approximate the blended U.S. federal and state rate. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $4.11 to $4.18, based on approximately 309 million shares outstanding. Zoom is dedicated to maintaining a careful balance between growth and profitability. We remain committed to innovating our platform, optimizing our go-to-market motions, and evolving our culture to meet the dynamic needs of the market. We are confident that our continued investment in innovation will enable us to provide even greater value to our customers while also positioning us for sustained growth. Thank you to the Zoom employees, our customers, our community, and our investors. Kelsey, please queue up our first question.
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Host23:01
Thank you, Kelly. And again, everyone, we will go ahead and move into the Q&A session. So when I call your name, please turn on your video and unmute yourselves. And as a reminder, in an effort to hear from everyone, we ask that you limit yourself to one question. And our first question will come from Fred Lee with Credit Suisse.
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Fred Lee23:23
Hey, there we go. Can you all hear me? Yes. All right, great. Hey, Kelly, just a question regarding the full year operating margin guide, which looks like it's coming in around five percentage points above consensus. I was wondering if you could break down where those efficiencies are coming from. How much was coming from the RIF versus efficiencies in other operating expense line items? Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg23:48
Yes, thank you. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we started really focusing on driving efficiencies across the business in Q4. As you saw in the results, this came from looking across all third-party spend. And then as we moved into Q1, of course, the reduction. So it's really a combination of that, as well as looking across all of our business processes, including go-to-market where a restructuring is happening, to really focus the resources on our Enterprise customers and be as efficient as we can in our commercial and small business teams.
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Fred Lee24:26
Got it. Thank you. And a quick question for Eric with regard to everything that's happening around AI and generative AI. You've talked a little bit about some of the new product areas. Were you expecting some initial impact? What kind of analogy can you draw for investors with regard to the uptake of generative AI? Some commentary around that would be greatly appreciated.
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Eric Yuan24:56
Sure. So, first of all, that's a great question about AI. I think your question about AI reminds me of 1995, 1996, the internet was the first wave of the internet revolution. I was so excited, that's why I moved to Silicon Valley to embrace that first wave of revolution. And since then, I was focused on video collaboration until today. I can tell you, speaking of AI, I'm as excited as 1995. Maybe more excited, given my engineering and product background. I think AI everyone sort of faces the challenge at the same time, but also has a huge opportunity ahead. Given our strong innovation culture, I think AI can truly help Zoom to evolve, to cut part of the Zoom true journey. I think Zoom might be the AI-first company. Speaking of specific features on how to leverage AI, even before we talk about ChatGPT, before you talk about all those AI, actually we already invested heavily in AI. So some customers may not see that, like noise reduction, virtual background, a lot of things like that. Even recently, we announced a feature called Zoom Smart Meeting Summary, where we already leverage GPT-3 to augment our ML to improve that experience. And we are going to double down on AI. A lot of features like Virtual Agent or Zoom IQ for Sales, our channel solution, email, calendar as well. I think AI can truly empower everything we are doing here and will benefit the customers. Plus, we are taking a very open-ended approach and we have our own AI engineers, a lot of talents working very hard, and also partner with other companies. OpenAI is greater, comedy, and just the clock is recently, and this is great again. I can talk a lot about AI. I'm very, very excited.
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Host27:05
Great. Thank you. That was very helpful. Thank you.
And Michael Funk with Bank of America has the next question.
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Michael Funk27:16
You're muted. I'm unmuted on my phone. Now we can hear you, Michael.
Okay, thank you. Kelly, first for you, Eric. You returned a cash balance. It's a huge strategic asset for Zoom, specifically today when a lot of your competitors don't have that optionality. So what is the argument, in your opinion, against deploying that cash to further your advantage and improve your capacity?
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Eric Yuan27:50
So yeah, when it comes to money, I better delegate it to Kelly. Kelly probably is better to have a manager.
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Kelly Steckelberg28:00
Thank you, Michael. I don't think there is any argument against deploying our cash, certainly to continue to advance our technology, advance our customer base. And as I said, we are constantly looking for opportunities. And as I've mentioned in the past, we have kind of three main criteria that we look at. We look at the technology; we want to make sure that we would be providing our customers something that works as well as the core of Zoom does today, the core Zoom platform. We look at the culture to make sure that the organizations could come together very well. As you know, we take culture so seriously here, and Eric and the whole executive team have spent a long time focusing on building that. And then, last but certainly not least, is valuation. And that has been tricky in the past. We've seen great assets that we loved but just couldn't get there, as unfortunately all of you know. And so we now see that becoming easier and easier. So I will tell you that Sanjay and his team have been very busy continuing to look for targets for us, and it certainly is a part of our strategy that we're considering for FY24.
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Michael Funk29:10
Great. Thank you for that, Kelly. And Kelly, while I have you, back to the earlier question about the delta in operating income FY23 to FY24. We estimated earlier this month about a $260 million benefit from the RIF. Is there an issue with my math around that?
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Kelly Steckelberg29:31
We're not going to get into the specifics around the reduction. I will tell you it was pretty consistently applied across the company, the 15% that Eric mentioned, across the organizations as well as us and some of our other locations outside of the U.S. So you can take that into consideration as you're calculating what you think the savings are.
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Michael Funk29:55
Great. Thank you, Kelly. Thank you, Eric.
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Host29:59
We will now move on to Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley.
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Meta Marshall30:03
Hi, Meta.
Hey, great. Thanks. Maybe Kelly, just for you to start. Compared to where we were 90 days ago when you were talking about low- to mid-single-digit potential for fiscal 24, just trying to get a sense of whether the incremental conservatism is more around the Enterprise or the online business, particularly given that you did see some stabilization in the online business in the quarter.
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Kelly Steckelberg30:38
I guess I don't know that I would say... I mean, remember, on the Q3 call, we weren't specifically giving guidance; we were trying to help give a little bit of visibility, but we were still right in the midst of doing our FY24 planning. So as you know, we continued to work on that with all of the go-to-market teams, and also we made this decision around the team and the reduction. Putting all of that together came up with what we've now guided to. We do continue to see headwinds that we spoke about. Of course, currency is still a challenge, and we're going to see some year-over-year impact in Q1 because the dollar really started to strengthen in the back half of Q1 last year. So you should expect to see some year-over-year impact there, as well as just these changes in the go-to-market team right now, making sure that we get everybody lined up and looking at where that is. All of that was considered as we set the FY24 guidance.
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Meta Marshall31:47
Got it. And then, maybe Eric, in the past you guys have wanted to have this singular Zoom platform and let the third-party apps be where you would do the departmental or industry use cases. It sounded like there was some departure from that. So I just wanted to get a sense of whether there are going to be different Zoom editions for some of these different verticals, or will it still largely be third-party driven?
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Eric Yuan32:15
Yeah, I think that's a good question. First of all, I don't think it's a departure from what we were trying to do before. It's more like an augmentation. Given a lot of new opportunities, I do not think everything should be done by our own developers. That's why we also want to leverage the third party. It's just more augmentation of whatever we are doing today.
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Host32:39
Great. Thanks. Thank you. And just as a reminder, please limit yourself to one question in order to hear from everyone. And we'll go ahead and move on to Mark Murphy with JP Morgan.
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Mark Murphy32:50
Thank you so much. So you've added so much value into the product. When we look at the amount of recording storage, the whiteboarding, mail and calendar client, and so much more that's on the come, could you update us perhaps on your pricing strategy and whether you think this could be the right time to perhaps increase prices a bit, or even to just go out and activate a CPI adjustment that would benefit you?
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Kelly Steckelberg33:27
We have announced a price increase for our online customers that will be effective, I believe the date is March 1st, as we announced earlier this month. And we believe that reflects, and that's only for monthly customers, not for annual customers. And we believe that starts to reflect the value, as you said, that we have created for our customers over the last few years. It's been many years, it predates me, since the last time there was a price increase. And then on the Enterprise side, we did a pricing update, all-inclusive with Zoom One, the bundle that we came up with last year. And we believe that really reflects the best way for our customers to buy and get full value out of the platform. And that considers all of the products that are included at what we feel is an appropriate price point at this time.
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Mark Murphy34:25
Okay, but so nothing planned outside of Zoom One on the Enterprise side, and nothing more material than what you had already announced?
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Kelly Steckelberg34:32
Yeah, that's right. Thank you.
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Host34:37
Piper Sandler's James Fish has the next question.
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Quinton34:42
Hey, thanks guys. This is Quinton for Jim Fish. In terms of the longer-term vision for Zoom, how is the team thinking about the maturity of the core meetings and phone products at this point, especially following what was a really strong phone quarter in Q4? Do we need adoption of emerging products like Contact Center and Email, Calendar to re-accelerate growth as we look at 25 and 26, or are there other catalysts that can help the core products re-accelerate from the guided 2024 levels? Thank you.
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Eric Yuan35:14
I think that's a great question. I think we should focus on both.
You know, the phone market potential is still huge, and we're doing extremely well. It will help us more because the product is very reliable, and it's really innovation and better than any other phone service providers. That's why on the core part, it's a huge growth opportunity. I haven't seen that before. I can zoom in on contact center, which you mentioned, and keep for sales to download more and more department applications, in particular AI. And it's not a greater layer. I feel like a lot of new opportunities are ahead of us. I think in the second half of this year, probably it's a transition period. For us, given we launched Zoom Contact Center early last year, Zoom IQ for sales as well, and new services in the pipeline, I think will help us. We need to focus on the reason why our original distributors are all in line: collaboration platform. You can live within a Zoom interface and get emotional work done. I think that's our reason.
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Host36:20
Thanks, Eric, very helpful. Thank you. I, Rishi Jaluria with RBC, has the next question.
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Rishi Jaluria36:27
Great, well, thanks so much for taking my questions. I just wanted to have one where I wanted to dive a little bit deeper into some of the new features that you're seeing. I know Mark brought that up earlier, but if you think about chat, mail, calendaring, just to the extent possible, I would love to hear what have you seen in terms of actual uptake rates of these features, right? Because it's available to anyone who's on Zoom One, but how many people are actively using it? And if you think about those customers who are using these additional features or modules, what are you seeing from those customers in terms of anything like engagement, time spent on the platform, retention, RPO, expansion rates, anything like that? Because I think that would really help us get some color into your ability to expand into a broader enterprise communication and cooperation platform. Thank you.
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Eric Yuan37:14
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. First of all, I would say last year we developed more than 1500 features. I think our team works extremely hard, but one thing we did not do well, I think we should improve: about the product, we need to double down on developing features. We also need to remember that the customer may not know about it. This is something important for us this year. We saw that a lot of customers, in order to find a lot of cool features, pick a NASDAQ for example, they would like to consult like meeting with a whiteboard as well. It has a whiteboard, they really like that. And also now the feature we have a team chat, which is a persistent chat solution. We use that for many years. A lot of enterprise customers also deployed. Why do they want to pay for other services after they found that Zoom has a very scalable and very flexible team chat solution? After they found that, they tested it, they also like that. They also adopt all those features. A lot of things like that, in order to mention the sales department, and also Zoom IQ for sales opportunity. Again, a lot of innovations, but we need to focus on product absorption, let the customer know the huge value from the Zoom platform. So that's something we need to focus on. And you know, quite a few of you probably already use Zoom Team Chat. I can tell you it's much better, whiteboard as well. So anyway, a lot of features and innovations, but we need to focus on adoption.
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Host38:44
Okay, thank you. Thank you. And we will now hear from Matt Van Vleet with BTIG.
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Matt Van Vleet38:51
Yeah, good afternoon. I guess on the last point, Eric, curious maybe if you could share a few details or some of the winning points around the contact center product. What's driving the adoption there? Are you seeing it replacing existing contact centers or some of these sort of net new where video is going to be a key component, whether it's field service or things of that nature where video really lends an extra help to it?
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Eric Yuan39:20
Yes, great question. On the product front, we launched it early last year, almost one year anniversary now. I think we are going to keep innovating. Essentially today, look at our contact center customer, we just include the 2000 six contact center solution. They test everything and say, 'Wow, Zoom Contact Center works very well.' Normally, early last year we won quite a few deals for internal IT helpdesk. This is for their support agents. A lot of features are already built in. On the product front, we are adding more and more features very quickly. I think we are doing very well. I have huge confidence in our product team. However, on the go-to-market side, I think we should have done a better job, to be honest with you. The buyer is different. The good news is over the past 12 months we learned a lot working with our channel partners, changing our go-to-market strategy, and making sure all those traditional customers, no matter which on-prem solution or other cloud contact center they deployed, we should let them know that Zoom has a very scalable contact center solution. We need to change our go-to-market model for contact center because the product works so well. So that part I think we need to focus on this year.
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Matt Van Vleet40:50
Great, thank you.
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Host40:52
Thank you. And our next question will come from Tyler Radke with Citi.
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Tyler Radke40:58
Hey, thanks for taking the question. So clearly the profitability guidance was much stronger than consensus, and you've talked about some of the hard decisions you've made as it relates to restructuring. Kelly and Eric, I'm wondering just about your willingness to expand margins from here. Obviously you're guiding to a pretty low revenue growth for the coming year of about 1%, but how do you think about the puts and takes on future margin expansion from here in a scenario where you don't get a re-acceleration in total revenue?
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Kelly Steckelberg41:34
You know, Tyler, we're always focused on being as efficient as possible in our gross margins. You've seen we said we expect to be 79.5% for next year, which is right on top of our long-term target margins. In terms of our operating margins, we want to always watch for opportunities for investment in top-line growth, if that's really what we are driving for. So we will continue to make these decisions and watch for opportunities throughout the year. If we see opportunities to invest in go-to-market, maybe channel programs, anything that we can do to drive top-line growth, that would be our first priority. But as we said in the prepared remarks, we're going to balance that with profitability. So we're certainly committed to the guidance that we set. I don't think we're committing to expanding beyond that today, as again our first priority is continuing to accelerate through go-to-market efficiencies as well as expand our product portfolio.
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Host42:37
Thank you. Said has the next question, but Kelly and Eric, he's on audio only, so he won't appear to you via video. Carl, go ahead.
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Carl42:48
Thank you. I'm good, thank you. Sorry.
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Host42:55
No problem at all, Carl. Thank you so much for letting us know. Then in that case, we'll move on to Siti Panigrahi with Mizuho.
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Siti Panigrahi43:03
Hey, thanks for taking my question. Kelly and Eric, so when you think about this year's growth, I know you're expecting the online segment to kind of bottom at some point. So what's your expectation when you think about online segment versus enterprise? And I know this is again renewal will come in Q1 and Q2. And what are you now pushing to customers during renewal? I know last few years it was phone, so what other products are you pushing during renewal?
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Kelly Steckelberg43:35
So in terms of the expectations for online this year, they are consistent with what we've been saying for the last couple of quarters, which we expected to stabilize during mid next year from a dollar amount, meaning starting to see it continue to decline quarter over quarter from a dollar perspective for the last probably five or six quarters, and we get kind of like Q2 to Q3 of next year we expect to see that start to stabilize, which is great when you look at all the initiatives that are in place. And then I'm sorry, the last part of your question about renewals was about...
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Siti Panigrahi44:09
Yeah, also enterprise part of the business, how do you think about the growth?
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Kelly Steckelberg44:18
Yes, so renewals are always an opportunity to talk to our enterprise customers around Zoom One, the platform bundle, which we think is a great opportunity for our enterprise customers to help our prospects and customers understand the full features of the platform. And then of course there is a natural opportunity to do that as they're going through the renewals period. And as we guided, we expect renewals to be strong in Q1. However, there is going to be that impact of currency that we've already experienced for Q2 through Q4, but unfortunately we have one more quarter against the previous year comps that there's going to be some impact and headwinds there.
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Siti Panigrahi45:02
Great, thank you.
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Host45:04
And Sterling Auty with SVB MoffettNathanson has the next question.
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Sterling Auty45:09
Thanks. Hi guys. Hey Kelly, maybe just to clarify on that last answer. Now that we're in fiscal '24, on that online answer you just gave, you meant that we'd see the term Q2, Q3 of this fiscal year, correct?
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Kelly Steckelberg45:24
Yeah, this fiscal year, yes. I just want to make sure people didn't think fiscal '25.
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Sterling Auty45:29
No, thank you for clarifying.
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Kelly Steckelberg45:33
You're welcome.
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Sterling Auty45:35
So in terms of question, I want to take the other side of it and go to the enterprise. What's built into the expectation for full year revenue around the enterprise? And maybe dive into some political commentary around net retention and what you expect on renewals from customers and what you're expecting from contribution of new customers. So what needs to happen for the enterprise to deliver on that side?
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Kelly Steckelberg46:01
So we expect renewals. We talked about renewals over the last year, the last 12 months, and we expect them to continue at kind of the same rate. And what we've mentioned in the past is that we have seen some contraction in seats as organizations around the world are experiencing reductions, so working with them on that. But on the other side, the opportunity to really bring a lot of value to our customers through our total cost of ownership, which includes expansion of the total portfolio. So as you saw, phone really resonating very well, especially in this economy, and contact center, while it's still small from an absolute dollars perspective, it doubled the ARR for contact center from Q3 to Q4. So again, small relative dollars, but really exciting to see it coming into its own. And we expect that to continue to contribute through all of this year, but then really start to accelerate from a contribution perspective in FY '25. And I do mean FY '25 in that comment. And then of course there's Zoom IQ for sales as well, which is on a similar trajectory in terms of contact center, that small dollar contribution, but accelerating in terms of its overall growth.
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Sterling Auty47:25
Got it. Thank you.
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Host47:27
Yeah, I will not hear from Matt Stotler with William Blair.
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Matt Stotler47:31
Thank you. Eric, thank you for taking the question. Maybe just one on a follow-up on Zoom One. You mentioned some traction there. Obviously relatively early days, a couple quarters in. We'd love to get some color on maybe the portion of new customers that are going with the Zoom One bundle versus other paths to buying Zoom products, and then what the characteristics are of those early adopters, both in terms of customer size, whether they're adopting that for specific departments and rolling that out like you've seen with the core meetings product historically. Any color there would be helpful.
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Kelly Steckelberg48:06
I think what's amazing and really interesting about Zoom One is it's not just new customers that are buying the Zoom One bundle, it's existing customers as well that are upgrading. And as a reminder, it includes Zoom meetings, but also Zoom phone, it includes team chat and whiteboard. So really starting to see customers embracing the full effects of the platform. We have a Fortune 10 customer now that is a long-standing customer of ours that moved on to the Zoom One bundle and has standardized on Zoom Team Chat, which we're super excited to see. So that's an example of what starts to happen when these customers are really exposed to the full value of the platform that we can bring to them. And I don't know exactly the percentage of how it broke out in Q3, Q4, but it is really starting to take the lead in terms of how our enterprise sales teams are selling.
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Matt Stotler49:04
Very helpful. Thank you. Anything you want to add, Eric?
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Eric Yuan49:06
No, it's great. Thank you.
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Host49:09
Moving on to Kash Rangan with Goldman Sachs.
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Kash Rangan49:12
Okay, thank you so much. Good to see you guys, Eric and Kelly. I sort of understand how we should reconcile the guidance going forward, basically what seems to be pretty close to the anniversary effect of the SMB attrition, and then we should start to really narrow the growth of the so-called enterprise business. But the guidance still seems to be quite conservative. Just help us understand what might have happened at a higher level incrementally relative to this anniversary effect and what we should be seeing by this time, a real acceleration of the business. Thank you so much.
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Kelly Steckelberg49:48
Sure. So one thing to remember, Kash, is that while we are expecting the online portion of the business to stabilize from a dollar perspective during the year, it is still down year over year because of what happened in FY '23, where the dollar amounts were much higher in those earlier quarters as it came down. So we still have the unfortunate impact of the online segment of the business tamping down the growth of the enterprise business. And so that's what you're seeing reflected there. And so the stabilization that occurs this year will really help as we look forward to next year, which we've always said is sort of re-acceleration, but back half of this year into FY '25. And that's what we see in our internal models today.
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Kash Rangan50:39
Got it. Curious, Kelly, why does it take till fiscal '25 to see the net effect to be positive? Can you help us understand the timing of why it takes another year from now?
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Kelly Steckelberg50:53
Well, there's the combination of first of all, online is still down year over year, and so you're not going to start to see the year-over-year stabilization of online until the back half of it. Even though the dollars are stabilizing, the year-over-year comparables are still down until the very back half of this year. And then while we've seen all the strength we've talked about in Zoom One and Zoom Phone, part of the expected growth is coming from these other newer products that are still early in their trajectory. But if you remember and think about how where Zoom Phone was in its second year of life, that's where Zoom Contact Center and Zoom IQ for sales are now. And you see Zoom Phone, which is about to turn four, how it's really contributing. So we've just got a little time ahead to get those products maturing and really contributing.
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Kash Rangan51:45
Got it. Thank you so much. Very clear. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Host51:49
We'll now hear from Bernstein's Peter Weed. Peter, please go ahead.
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Peter Weed51:54
Thank you. Maybe I'll follow up on that and kind of reinforce what appears to be a reasonably conservative revenue guide this year. When we start to think about some of the things you've chatted about earlier in this conversation, everything from stabilization in the online business, which may even do better than that perhaps hopefully with some of the pricing increases that go on, all of the product that you've been shipping, these types of things. And when we take into account the fact that a year ago on the top line, this business was even a little bit smaller than what we're anticipating quarter one this upcoming year might be, help me understand why we would do as bad, I guess, as only a 1% year over year. Like what's the downside case that gets us there, or is this more of an opportunity to perhaps start to see some of the lift coming out of here? Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg52:56
So remember, for Q1 there is the definite impact of being three fewer days, which has real impact as compared to three fewer days of revenue, as well as the impact of currency which we didn't have last year. So that year-over-year impact is going to definitely be visible in Q1 of FY '24. And then we continue to see in the enterprise elongated sales cycles, deal scrutiny. I was sort of laughing with a fellow CFO saying this is the year of the CFO because I have gotten invited to speak at more sales kickoffs this year than you can imagine because every sales team is having to learn how to sell to the CFO, including ours. And that is exactly the experience that we're having. And so it just means they're taking a little bit longer and everybody's being very thoughtful about their purchases. And so all of that was taken into consideration as we set our full year guidance.
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Peter Weed54:01
But I guess many of those things are stuff that in the second half of this year you have been addressing and are kind of carrying forward, so they're not brand new. I would think that some of this, unless you are anticipating another leg down for some reason, are there any additional legs down relative to things that you've been already seeing in the business, or is this just conservatism like we just don't know how long this stuff's gonna really be impacting and we can't really say how much people are going to be purchasing the Zoom One bundle, which is kind of the standard thing that you're putting out, really how well people are gonna react to price increases this year? So it's really created a floor on which we hope to do better than.
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Kelly Steckelberg54:44
I definitely think there is a question as to the state of the economy and when it comes to investments. While we think we are incredibly well positioned with our total cost of ownership and the value that we bring to our customers, everybody is being very cautious until there's better visibility about the potential of a recession or not and where we're going to come through this. And we expect that could impact us at least through the rest of this year.
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Peter Weed55:12
Thank you.
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Host55:16
With Webbush has the next question.
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Analyst55:21
My question, two questions. One for Eric. Eric, you spoke about Zoom One traction in the quarter and it's still pretty early, I understand that. But when you sell a customer Zoom One from Zoom Meetings, what's the typical uplift you're seeing in the deal sizes? Let's say somebody has Zoom Meetings today and they're going to Zoom One, what is the kind of the uptick you get in the deal value there?
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Eric Yuan55:43
Yeah, normally it's a great question. It comes from other market opportunities, right? And not about SMB customers. They do not use like a whiteboard or some other cool features. As an enterprise customer, given economic uncertainty and the challenge of cost reduction, they would like to consolidate into one platform. And mostly from a total cost of ownership perspective, when they look at a Zoom product, they try to understand what kind of other services and features they can leverage more. And then also talk with our whiteboard and team chat, contact center, Zoom IQ for sales. More and more opportunities. This is a great time for those upper market customers, especially commercial and enterprise customers, because they trust the brand, they know those services are available. For example, they know we are doing well, innovating, they know our service will be better than others. Why not deploy Zoom Whiteboard? This is a great example.
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Analyst56:40
So the deals that we've had so far, what is the uplift you've seen in dollars you're getting from that customer? How much do you see typically?
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Kelly Steckelberg56:59
It really depends on the customer. The thing that I would point out though is it's not just the uplift in the dollar amounts, it's the retention that we see, which is really important to us. Customers that have more... remember at Analyst Day we showed that chart that more than 50% improved retention rates when they have more than one product deployed. And so the value of us having a broader platform in there, including the ones that are much more retentive like Zoom Chat and Zoom Phone, really brings a lot of value to us.
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Analyst57:36
Okay. And just one follow-up. Kelly, typically we see customers having free cash flow margins higher than operating margins. Yours reversed last year. I think you had a drag from cash taxes and stock-based comp. Your guide implies if you guys from margin I believe lower by about nine points from operating margin. Does that reverse or do we see that as more of a permanent given that we are a cash taxpayer for here to eternity now?
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Kelly Steckelberg58:04
I think you're likely to see it be slightly under, but what we're getting back to, which was very disrupted last year, is a more normalized relationship between those two as we're on more of a normal course now from a cash tax perspective.
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Analyst58:20
Thank you.
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Host58:22
Moving on to Matthew Harrigan with Benchmark.
Hi Matthew, Matthew you're currently muted if you'll come out.
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Matthew Harrigan58:35
Yeah, I'm sorry, I tried to take myself out of the queue. I sent a message but evidently no.
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Host58:39
No problem at all. Thanks Matthew, see you next time.
All right, well we'll go ahead and in that case move on to William Power with Baird. William, if you'll go ahead and turn on your video and come off mute for us.
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William Power58:50
Great, thanks for squeezing me in. A lot of my questions have been answered, but I do want to ask about Zoom Phone. It looked like a particularly strong quarter. I think the push around Zoom One is probably helping, but be great to get any other perspective on what seems to be a nice acceleration there in Zoom Phone adoption and any color you're able to provide just around pricing trends and when does this become a 10% revenue component?
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Kelly Steckelberg59:21
In terms of when it's going to become 10%, it's sometime early this year in FY '24. And we are very excited about the momentum. We had 100% year-over-year growth in the product. And it's back to even in this economy. Especially in this economy, companies are looking for opportunities to standardize on one vendor and also because there is a lot of value to be gained by getting rid of those on-prem servers as well as the very disruptive price point that we have all the way around. It's just proving to be very attractive. And as Eric mentioned, there's still a lot of opportunity in the market available, so we expect that to continue. And I don't know what to expect to do, but as a reminder, Q2 and Q4 tend to be our really peak quarters in terms of Zoom Phone adds. So while we had an amazing number of additions in Q4, I don't expect that to be the new bar. We expect to be seasonally down in Q1, but still very excited that the momentum continues to be up and to the right.
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William Power1:00:30
Thank you.
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Host1:00:33
JMP Securities, Patrick Walravens has the next question.
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Patrick Walravens1:00:37
Oh great, thank you. I have a really fun question for Eric. So Eric, in 2021 you guys invested in Sven before their deal, and you also invested in Monday.com. So how do you feel about those two spaces today? How do you feel about event technology and how do you feel about collaborative work management?
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Eric Yuan1:00:56
So given this is a fun question, maybe I should have launched that at a different time. But to answer your question, it's better to not give you a fun answer. But anyway, I think Monday.com is interesting because the reason why I invested in them is a lot of our customers, especially in Europe, also deploy the service. They would like to integrate with us, and they are also Zoom customers as well. I think from a customer perspective, they want us to work together through integration. And the reason why we invested in Sven is similar. For example, we are doing Zoom Meetings and Webinars, Zoom Events, especially for hybrid events and in-person events. We are more like a pure technology platform. We also need some other components to help make sure you have a streamlined events management. That's why we partnered with Sven. We see the opportunity to further solidify our relationship, why not invest in them? I think given now it's more of a company that supports hybrid work, I think they would do well. That's another reason why we invested. So that's pretty much my answer. Maybe not as fun as you expected, but that's pretty much I can do. Sorry.
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Patrick Walravens1:02:13
Great, thank you.
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Host1:02:15
Thank you. We do have time for one additional question that will come from Ryan McWilliams with Barclays.
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Ryan McWilliams1:02:22
Guys, I appreciate you putting me in. My question's kind of in the same sphere as Pat's question. But Kelly, it looks like you filled the remaining amount of your share repurchase authorization this quarter. I guess how are you thinking about a new authorization for a buyback? And in terms of M&A, with Zoom potentially look at acquisitions where you already have a competing product today, or are you generally looking at adjacent solutions? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg1:02:44
In terms of M&A, we look at both. We've been very successful by buying those technology tuck-ins to accelerate our development, as you've seen with the Solvvy acquisition, which has been a great accelerant for us in terms of contact center. And we continue to look at those, but also looking at other areas where there might be leaders in the space that make sense for us. So we're continuing to look at both. And every quarter we talk to our board about our capital allocation strategy, and of course M&A is at the top of the list. We do not, as you indicated, have a buyback authorization in place today. We will continue to look for opportunities to deploy our capital in the best way possible for our investors. And right now, as I said earlier, our number one focus is re-accelerating top-line growth and making sure that we have the flexibility to do that if opportunities arise. And so that's why for the moment we've decided to hold at least on requesting an authorization for a buyback.
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Ryan McWilliams1:03:55
Which is the color. Thanks so much.
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Host1:03:58
Yeah, and again everyone, that does conclude our Q&A for today. I'll go ahead and pass it back to you, Eric, for any closing or additional comments.
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Eric Yuan1:04:06
Oh, thank you all. I really appreciate all the time. Love you all. Thank you. Take care.
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Host1:04:11
Bye everybody.
Thank you. And again everyone, this does conclude today's earnings release. As always, we thank you all for your participation and we look forward to seeing you again in the spring and summer. Until then, take care and enjoy the rest of your day.