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Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer, Zoom Video Communications

Zoom Video Communications, Inc. $ZM Q3 2023 Earnings Call

🎥 Nov 22, 2022 📺 Earnings Call ⏱ 64m 👁 116 views
Zoom Video Communications, Inc. $ZM Q3 2023 Earnings Call.
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About Kelly Steckelberg

Kelly Steckelberg, Zoom’s CFO, has discussed the company’s financial performance and strategy in multiple media appearances. In February 2024, she told CNBC’s Jim Cramer that Zoom’s priority is investing for growth, both organically and through potential acquisitions, while also executing a $1.5 billion share repurchase program. She stated that Zoom is expanding its platform with features like workspace reservation to support hybrid work. In November 2023, she said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that Zoom was pleased with its Q3 results, noting that Zoom Phone had crossed the 10% of revenue threshold and that the company uses a “federated approach” to AI, working with multiple models including OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta. She also highlighted that the company saw stabilization in its online business earlier than expected and reported peak gross margins of 80.5%. Steckelberg has also addressed the company’s approach to hybrid work and competition. In a December 2023 interview, she said Zoom’s structured hybrid approach, asking employees near an office to come in two days a week, was going well and that 65% of employees remain remote. She has described Microsoft as a partner, stating that Zoom works with customers to integrate its products with Microsoft’s offerings. At Zoomtopia 2023, she said the company would not charge extra for its AI Companion, aiming to make it available to all paying customers. Steckelberg, a UT McCombs alumna, has said that her goal of becoming a public company CFO was realized with Zoom’s IPO, and she has established an endowed scholarship at the business school.

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Tom McCallum0:00
and will be muted throughout the meeting. Over to Tom McCallum, head of investor relations. Tom, over to you.
Thank you, Kelsey. Hello everyone and welcome to Zoom's earnings webinar for the third quarter of fiscal '23. I'm joined today by Zoom's founder and CEO Eric Yuan and Zoom CFO Kelly Steckelberg. Our earnings press release was issued today after the market closed and may be downloaded from the investor relations page at investors.zoom.us. Also on this page, you'll be able to find a copy of today's prepared remarks, a slide deck with financial highlights that along with our earnings press release include a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our financial outlook for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2023, our expectations regarding financial and business trends, impacts from the macroeconomic development and the Russia-Ukraine war, our market position, opportunities, growth strategy and business aspirations, and product initiatives and the expected benefits of such initiatives. These statements are only predictions that are based on what we believe today and actual results may differ materially. These forward-looking statements are subject to the risks and other factors that could affect our performance and financial results, which we discuss in detail in our filings with the SEC, including our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Zoom assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement that we may make today. On today's webinar, and with that, let me turn the discussion over to Eric.
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Eric Yuan1:38
Hey, thank you Tom, and thank you everyone for joining us today. So last week we hosted our first fully hybrid Zoomtopia using Zoom Events, and it was great. We unveiled new innovations like Zoom Mail and Calendar, which enable users to frequently navigate across their email, calendar, and other Zoom products, always in the same client. And at Zoomtopia, many of our customers piloted how they use our expanding platform to know more in the world of flexible work. And at our first partner event, we hosted hundreds of channel partners who are very excited about working with us to drive adoption of the Zoom platform locally. And our developer partners showcased add-on apps that connect interrelated workflows to Zoom clients. As global organizations adapt to how, when, and where work happens, human connection remains paramount. Zoom is purpose-built to make all kinds of connections possible, effective, and meaningful. We have developed and launched more than 1,500 features and enhancements on the Zoom platform this year. The one thing is how people connect with each other, their organization, and their customers, ultimately opening the doors to creativity and collaboration. Of course, even as we celebrate our innovations, our customers still face the backdrop of a challenging macroeconomic environment. We continue to see FX pressure and heightened deal scrutiny for new business, but we remain focused on delivering happiness to our customers by innovating our platform and expanding our go-to-market capabilities. Zoom offers a full suite of communication solutions and an attractive total cost of ownership that enables teams to do more with less. And our new products like Zoom Contact Center and Zoom Marketing for... enable revenue generation and drive productivity. The continued strength of our Enterprise group is a testament to how the value proposition of our platform resonates with customers, even in tougher economic environments. As we enable customers to drive greater efficiency, we also are focusing on our own efficiency. We have always been judicious with investments, prudent about spending, and we have commanded robust margins since our IPO, so this is not a major shift for us. We will continue to thrive on mission, customer value, and platform expansion, balanced with an increasing emphasis on efficiency and profitability. We're continuing to see strong performance with customers spending greater than $100K in monthly revenue, which was up 31% year over year. What's more, these customers are increasingly seeing value in buying the whole platform, with thousands of customers already buying Zoom One packages. From an industry perspective, the large wins came from tech, media, and financial services, and we also had notable wins in retail, transportation, and the farmer. On the tech front, let me first thank Qualtrics, the leader and creator of the experience management category, for expanding their partnership with us. Qualtrics recently obligated to Zoom Enterprise, which provides the full power of the Zoom platform to their users and allows them to make meaningful connections with meetings, team chat, whiteboard, phone, and more in one offering. We are delighted to offer Qualtrics a broader set of communications products integrated into one secure and easy-to-use platform. Our Enterprise wins comprise not only large publicly traded companies but also many private companies of all sizes who see great value in enhancing their Zoom implementations by moving towards our full UC platform. Let me give you a few examples. First of all, I'd like to thank Minister Employee Services, a privately owned professional employer organization, for placing their trust in Zoom. In Q3, they added 5,500 Zoom Phone seats and 650 Zoom Contact Center seats, demonstrating the promise they saw in adopting a modern integrated solution for their teams to interact. Let me also thank Time Solutions for establishing and already expanding their partnership with Zoom, which includes Zoom One and Zoom Contact Center. Found this and we're building focus on bringing jobs and opportunities to underrepresented communities. Time Solutions delivers high-touch contact center solutions to mid-sized companies and Fortune 500 corporations. Seeing how well Zoom Contact Center addressed many of the customer's needs and again in confidence in Zoom's ability to deliver innovation at a rapid pace, we decided to replace their legacy solution with the Zoom Contact Center. Excluding our innovation journey for Contact Center will give us opportunity to further enhance our partnership with Time Solutions in the quarters and years to come. I also want to thank the GP, the number one fast-based global employment platform, for choosing Zoom to transform their communication systems and support employees across their organization. If you understood the value of the individual parts of our communication products from their experience using Zoom Meetings, Zoom Webinars, Team Chat, and Zoom Rooms, they ultimately updated for Zoom as a missing piece in their usage stack in order to improve their customer experience while also enjoying the savings benefits of a cloud-based PBX solution integrated into a whole communications platform. Also, I'd like to add that GP is our global expansion employment partner and has played a critical role in our growth strategy, the agility and the speed in entering new markets very quickly. Again, thank you to Minister Employee Services, Time Solutions, and GP, and all of our customers worldwide. And with that, I'll pass it over to Kelly.
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Kelly Steckelberg9:08
Thank you, Eric. Let me now turn to the quarter's results and guidance. In Q3, total revenue came in at $1.102 billion, up 5% year-over-year and 7% in constant currency. This result was approximately $2 million above the high end of our quarterly guidance. The growth in revenue was primarily driven by strength in our Enterprise business, which grew 20% year over year and represented 56% of total revenue, up from 49% a year ago. We expect Enterprise customers to comprise an increasingly higher percentage of total revenue over time. From a product perspective, we had strong growth in Zoom Phone, coupled with contributions from Zoom Rooms and other products. At Investor Day earlier this month, we introduced a new metric, online average monthly churn. In Q3, this metric continued to improve to 3.1% from 3.7% in Q3 of FY '22 and 3.6% last quarter. We are pleased this metric has now returned to pre-pandemic levels. The number of Enterprise customers grew 14% year over year to approximately 209,300. Our trailing 12-month net dollar expansion rate for Enterprise customers in Q3 came in at a healthy 117%. We saw 31% year-over-year growth in the upmarket as we ended the quarter with 3,286 customers contributing more than $100,000 in trailing 12 months revenue. These customers represent 27% of revenue, up from 22% in Q3 of FY '22. Our Americas revenue grew 11% year over year. EMEA continues to be impacted by the stronger dollar, the Russia-Ukraine war, and online performance, which combined led to a decline of 9% year over year. APAC, which was also impacted by the stronger dollar, declined 3% year over year. Now turning to profitability. I will focus on our non-GAAP results, which exclude stock-based compensation expense and associated payroll taxes, acquisition-related expenses, net litigation settlement, net gains or losses on strategic investments, undistributed earnings attributable to participating securities, and all associated tax effects. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q3 was 79.5%, an improvement from 76% in Q3 of last year and 78.9% last quarter. The sequential improvement was mainly due to optimizing usage across the public cloud and our increasing number of co-located data centers. Given this, we expect our full year gross margin to be approximately 79%. Research and development expense grew by 59% year over year to approximately $108 million. As a percentage of total revenue, R&D expense increased to 9.8% from 6.4% in Q3 of last year. This reflects our ongoing investments in expanding Zoom's product portfolio and delivering on our customers' evolving needs. We expect to exit the year in the range of 10% to 12% of total revenue, consistent with our long-term target. Sales and marketing expense grew by 27% year-over-year to $301 million. This represented approximately 27.3% of total revenue, up from 22.6% in Q3 of last year. We continue to invest judiciously in sales capacity and channel partner expansion. G&A expense grew by 6% to $87 million, or approximately 7.9% of total revenue, in line with 7.8% in Q3 of last year. Non-GAAP operating income was $381 million, exceeding the high end of our guidance of $330 million, as we continue to thoughtfully prioritize investments. This translates to a 34.6% non-GAAP operating margin for Q3, as compared to 39.1% in Q3 of last year. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share in Q3 was $1.07, 24 cents above the high end of our guidance. Due to our share repurchase programs, our Q3 weighted average share count has decreased year over year approximately 4 million shares to 302 million. Turning to the balance sheet. Deferred revenue at the end of the period was $1.4 billion, up 14% year over year from $1.2 billion. Looking at both our billed and unbilled contracts, our RPO totaled approximately $3.2 billion, up 32% year over year from $2.5 billion. We expect to recognize approximately 59% of the total RPO as revenue over the next 12 months, as compared to 67% in Q3 of last year, reflecting the trend towards longer-term contracts. As a reminder, our annual seasonality of renewals is front-end loaded and moderates over the rest of the year, reflecting the sequentially smaller renewal base. As such, we expect Q4 deferred revenue to grow at approximately 2% to 3% year over year. We ended the quarter with approximately $5.2 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities, excluding restricted cash. Year to date, we have repurchased $991 million of our own stock, representing approximately 11 million shares. We had operating cash flow in the quarter of $295 million, as compared to $395 million in Q3 of last year. Free cash flow was $273 million, as compared to $375 million in Q3 of last year. Our margins for operating cash flow and free cash flow were 26.8% and 24.7%, respectively. As previously discussed, this year we have seen larger cash outflows from increasing cash taxes starting in Q2, which relates to the depletion of our NOL and the lower tax deductions for stock-based compensation caused by the stock price decline. We now expect free cash flow to be at the high end of our range of $1 billion to $1.15 billion. As a reminder, our range assumes that the Section 174 tax legislation requiring capitalization of R&D expenses will be repealed or deferred by Congress by the end of this fiscal year. Now turning to guidance. This outlook is consistent with what we are observing in the market today. Specifically, it assumes that our Enterprise business will grow in the low to mid 20s, while our online business will decline approximately 8% for the year. For the fourth quarter of FY '23, we expect revenue to be in the range of $1.095 to $1.105 billion, which at the midpoint would represent approximately 3% year-over-year growth, or 5% in constant currency. We expect non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $316 to $326 million. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $0.75 to $0.78, based on approximately 301 million shares outstanding. For the full year of FY '23, we now expect revenue to be in the range of $4.37 to $4.38 billion, which at the midpoint represents approximately 7% year-over-year growth, or 8.5% in constant currency. This represents a decrease of $15 million from our previous full-year guidance, of which approximately $14 million is attributable to the FX pressure in Q3 and Q4. We now expect our non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $1.49 to $1.5 billion, representing a non-GAAP operating margin of approximately 34%. This is an increase of $50 million, or 1%, respectively, as compared to our Q2 guidance. Our tax rate is expected to approximate the blended U.S. federal and state rate. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $3.91 to $3.94, based on approximately 304 million shares outstanding. Zoom remains focused on thoughtfully balancing growth and profitability through platform innovation, customer value creation, and partner ecosystem expansion. Thank you to the Zoom team, our customers, our community, and our investors. Kelsey, please queue up our first question.
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Kelsey18:36
Will do, Kelly. And as Kelly mentioned, we'll now move into the Q&A session. So when I call your name, please turn on your video and unmute. And as a reminder, in an effort to allow everyone to ask a question, please limit yourself to one question. And of course, our first question is going to come from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley.
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Meta Marshall18:56
Great, thanks so much for the question and congrats on the quarter. Maybe just sticking with the online business for a second and kind of the stabilization of that business. You clearly saw the churn statistics improve, but wanted to get a sense of how you guys are thinking about stabilization there, how you guys are thinking about initiatives on new ads as well as just free-to-pay conversion. Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg19:26
Yeah, so as we shared at Analyst Day a few weeks ago, we're really happy with the continued improvement in the churn first of all, and I think it improved even further in Q3. And the fact that now 70% of those cohorts have moved beyond that 16-month period in which they really see stabilization, we've continued to see that happen. Wendy and her team are really focused on continuing to look at initiatives for conversion. Those include things like adding local currencies, adding local payment types, as well as looking at packages that make sense. So all of that is still in process. And what we're thinking, and we had talked about before, is we expect online to stabilize from a dollar perspective in Q2 of next year, and based on our most recent forecast, that is still the case.
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Meta Marshall20:19
Great, thank you.
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Kelsey20:21
Moving on to Mark Murphy with JP Morgan.
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Mark Murphy20:26
Thank you very much. Congrats on a very nice free cash flow performance. I wanted to ask you, Eric, the pace of innovation activity is so rapid at the moment. To what extent do you anticipate that perhaps some of the new product innovations, and I'm thinking of Zoom Mail, Calendar, Zoom Spots, and others, could perhaps enhance the stickiness of the usage patterns, right, or drive engagement and collaboration higher in a way that could benefit your either your dollar retention rates or maybe some of the premium plan adoptions?
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Eric Yuan21:07
Yeah, Mark, that's a great question. That's the reason why we had a very successful Zoomtopia, because we announced so many innovations. Almost every innovation, when we look at that, how what we can do to either add value to the existing customer to focus on stickiness or maybe the potential revenue opportunity. Look at the email features, I think we always follow the other principle. You look at the email and calendar, look at online paid users, subscribers, and we do not offer to free users, right? For all those online, the pro buyers, if we give the email calendar for free, you can use the email calendar full independent service and through another greater service which is intuitive. Look at all other features, like Spots and all those features, certainly can help our customers also make our platform more sticky. Not only do they use Zoom for meetings, but also you can use it to mimic the always-on environment. So for the free users, for sure, like the evil Canada versus for the clan, right? So for every feature in the vision, I think for sure we'll add more value to our customers, either drive stickiness or drive potential revenue opportunity like Zoom IQ, virtual agent, and the contact center, and the virtual agent who might give like what you coach and a lot of features like that. So we're very, very excited, and again, the feedback from customers is very, very positive, and they are very excited about adopting those new features and enhancements.
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Kelsey22:39
Thank you, Mark. Next question from Fred Lee with... How's the next question?
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Fred Lee22:44
Hi, thank you for taking my question. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the macro impact on phone adoption and maybe give us an update on Zoom Phone adoption abroad over the past couple of quarters.
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Kelly Steckelberg22:57
Yeah, so we continue to see strength in Zoom Phone. As a reminder, we announced on the last call that we had crossed over the 4 million seat mark. We also added nine customers in Q3 that have purchased over 10,000 seats, and that brings us to a total of 64 customers in that category. So I think it shows continued strength, especially in the upmarket, even in these challenging economic times. So we're excited about the prospects that we continue to see there, and as we keep promising you all, we'll break it out when it gets to 10% of revenue, so you'll be able to see that then a little more clearly.
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Eric Yuan23:40
Yeah, Fred, to add on to what Kelly said, more and more customers are increasingly looking at our Zoom platform, the Zoom UC platform. They should be looking at important product, phone or meetings or webinar or team chat, no, look at the full usage stack because that will give you a better experience in terms of the total cost of ownership is also much better. That's why more and more customers are moving towards our Zoom One platform, and I'm very excited about the opportunities there.
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Fred Lee24:12
Great, thank you very much.
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Kelsey24:16
Moving on to Michael Trim with Wells Fargo.
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Michael Trim24:18
Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, appreciate you taking the question. On the front-end loaded renewal seasonality, you had a useful tidbit on the deferred revenue growth you're expecting in Q4. Can you just maybe walk through how you gear up for that as a company given it's a little bit outside the norm on general calendar cycles that we're used to seeing? What kind of visibility do you have into that cohort currently, and is there anything you can do to shift that profile, or is it just kind of gradual that this rolls forward and you've gotten just accustomed to it internally thus far? Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg24:51
Yeah, so as a reminder, this occurred due to the significant increase of customers we had during Q1 in the early stages of the pandemic. And what has happened is, due to the practice that we have internally of making it easy for our customers, we co-term when they add on additional products or expand their seat count, for example. So it's continued to actually exacerbate, if you will, when we're upselling customers that front-end loaded phenomenon. So it will start to level out over time as we see customers in Q2 and Q4 being our largest seasonal quarters due to the six-month quotas of our upmarket reps. But as you say, we are used to it now. Internally, everybody knows this is how it works. We're coming into, I guess, our third renewal period, and we've seen strength in each of the last two cycles. So we're able to accommodate, we know how it works, and it's just something we know that it's not aligned with most of the rest of the industry, which is why we keep reminding you and trying to give you as much color as possible around that.
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Michael Trim26:04
Appreciate that, thank you.
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Kelsey26:06
And our next question will come from Kash Mangan with Goldman Sachs.
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Kash Mangan26:10
Hello, thank you very much. Happy Thanksgiving in advance. Good to see you, Eric and Kelly. I had a question on the Enterprise business. I think most of us on the call, please, we're waiting for the tilt. We're at the Enterprise business. Will the strength of the Enterprise business offset the weakness in the online business as we wait for that? I'm curious to get your take on the expansion rate. I think it came at 117 or so, and the number of customers it used to be higher in prior quarters. The number of net adds in Enterprise also still not quite rebounding and recovering. Can you give us some perspective on how much of this is macro versus maybe competition from the likes of Teams, etc., and Eric, how does this play out into the broader adoption thesis for the Zoom platform? When are we likely to see these metrics inflect the other way that could validate your overall thesis that Zoom is not just about video meetings but a broader communication platform? Thank you so much.
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Eric Yuan27:10
Eric, you want to talk about Zoom One first, and then I'll talk about the metrics after that.
Yeah, sure. So, Kash, that's a good question. You look at the customer profile, right, as they move towards the Zoom One platform. Whatever our full usage stack, started from meetings many years ago, they added phone, webinar, team chat, and so on and so forth. I think the problem was that previously, when it comes to Zoom, everybody probably assumed that it's just video conferencing, and that's not the case. That's why we are doubling down on our Zoom One marketing awareness, also talk with the customers better. Not only do we offer the best video conferencing service, but also you look at our other offerings, that's a full UC stack, and also we have Contact Center as well. I think that would take a little bit of time, but as long as customers realize, wow, Zoom has a full stack, and plus we also have a very flexible team chat, plus this is free and it works so well with individual university solutions. I think customers are showing great excitement about adopting the full UC platform, and more and more customers are moving towards our full usage stack rather than just the meetings product. And that's why we're very excited, because you look at all those offerings working together seamlessly, and in terms of total cost of ownership, it's much better because many Enterprise customers are trying to consolidate their usage stack. The collaborative stack is different, they might use email or calendar or SharePoint or some other vendors, but in terms of usage stack, do you want to deploy the best UC service? That's why we are going to win on UC stack plus the security as well.
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Kelly Steckelberg28:53
Thank you so much, Eric. And Kash, just in terms of your comment about renewals, I want to highlight especially in the Enterprise, renewals remain very, very strong. We were actually slightly ahead of our internal forecast for Q3. So we continue to see, we've talked about many metrics, growth and expansion in the Enterprise. It's just, as you say, we're waiting for that stabilization in online too, because right now it's really having a dampening effect on the overall growth rate of the company.
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Kash Mangan29:23
Thank you, Kelly. Thank you guys.
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Kelsey29:27
George Ionik with Oppenheimer has the next question.
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George Ionik29:29
Okay, thank you for taking my question. Eric, maybe with all the Enterprise progress you're showing, can you give us an update on Contact Center and the adoption that you're seeing there?
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Eric Yuan29:42
Yeah, so Contact Center is a new service for us. We're very excited, in particular for those customers who deploy our full service with UC and CC together. And also we've found interesting use cases as well. Not only the traditional customer interaction department, they started deploying the Zoom Contact Center, but also the internal IT help desk as well. And again, the Contact Center sales cycle is a little bit longer than meetings. The showcase of our platform capability and the speed of innovation, customers are very excited. Plus, you look at our own business, we used to deploy other contact solutions, but with Zoom's Contact Center solutions, our own teams themselves are very, very excited. And there's a lot of potential pipelines and leads in the pipeline. And we are doubling down on that. On the product side, we have high confidence. On the go-to-market side, we are gaining traction as quickly as possible. It takes some time, plus we leverage the channel and internal go-to-market investment. And I think that's a future big revenue driver for us, especially customers like CC and UC together. It's a much better experience and the total cost of ownership is also much better.
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George Ionik31:02
Thank you.
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Kelsey31:03
Thank you. Moving on to CT Panagrah with Mizzou.
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CT Panagrah31:09
Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to ask you about macro pressure. You talked about last quarter sales elongation on the Enterprise side. What kind of trends are you seeing? Anything worsening, and also how that impacts your pipeline as well?
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Kelly Steckelberg31:26
So we certainly have seen impact, as I mentioned, from FX. Of the reduced guidance of $15 million, $14 million of that is coming from FX pressure, and you saw that certainly in our year-over-year growth in Europe and in APAC. In the Enterprise, again, renewals stay strong, excitement about the products, but as we discussed, it's continued in terms of additional deals scrutiny. I think all of my peer CFOs now are looking at deals, and that's just causing elongation in general. Not that we're losing deals, they're just taking longer to get done, and potentially some of them pushing over quarters. But we haven't seen that have a big impact, it's just taking longer and longer. Not that they're going anywhere else, it's just taking longer to get those done. Now the good news is, especially with all the new products, the consolidation that we offer is a really great value story for our customers in terms of elimination of additional vendors, getting rid of on-prem servers, and that continues to be a great story that our customers love.
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CT Panagrah32:42
Thank you.
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Kelsey32:43
Thank you, CT. SVP Moffett Sterling Autie has the next question.
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SVP Moffett Sterling Autie32:49
Thanks. Hi guys. Kelly, maybe following on that, I want to understand the 20% growth in Enterprise in the quarter versus the guidance of low to mid 20s for the full year. Does that mean that there's a little bit of a back-end loaded hockey stick or a bump up that we'll see next quarter? And specifically, I think investors are really interested in trying to gauge how should that business react as we move into next fiscal year in light of the concern about layoffs across all industries and a lot of your Zoom meetings, etc., are based on per employee per se pricing.
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Kelly Steckelberg33:24
Yeah, so we've certainly talked about this the last couple of quarters. We've seen more and more of our deals just into the end of the quarter and taking on that more historically natural cycle that we haven't seen since really early in the pandemic.
But that is absolutely the case for us, and we have adjusted our forecast for Q4 for some of that linearity as well. We have continued to see, as I keep saying, strength in our renewals. I think that's because while there's concern about layoffs, there's this other phenomenon about flexible work. Everybody wants to continue working in the way they've become accustomed to, and as long as employers are supporting that and their employees, it really means everybody needs a Zoom license. If you're out of the office even one day a week, you need that Zoom license for phone, for meetings, for whatever Zoom One. I think that is really a compelling reason for organizations to continue to renew with Zoom.
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Tom McCallum34:24
Understood, thank you.
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Eric Yuan34:26
Thank you. Yeah, right. You know, even for those businesses, right, after they deploy the full usage stack, you know, getting more and more cooperative, and also they found adults can use that for their personal use cases as well, right, because that's free now. That's why, you know, a lot of attractions for other parts of our entire UC platform.
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Operator34:50
Our next question will come from Michael Funk with Bank of America. Michael, if you'll please start your video for us.
All right, Michael. If you can hear us, please go ahead, start your video, and come off mute to ask your question.
All right, hearing no response, we'll go ahead and move on to William Power with Baird. William, if you wouldn't mind doing the same thing.
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William Power35:16
Great, thank you so much.
All right, thanks for taking the question. Probably for Kelly. A pretty notable increase in stock-based compensation expense. I know you talked about this at the Investor Day too, that you expected given TACOs to be more elevated. It would be great to just get a little more perspective as to how you're thinking about that going forward. Is this closer to peak level? Should it stay at this level over a longer-term timeframe? How investors should expect that to trend? And I guess kind of tied to that, you've been aggressive on the stock buyback front. What are the plans there going forward, and how could that tie into how you think about stock-based compensation?
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Kelly Steckelberg35:58
So first, we believe that the supplemental grant program is really important for the strategy of the company in terms of retaining our employees and keeping them focused and not having to worry about that. The supplemental grants vest over the same period as the underlying grant that they're tied to, so you are going to see this level continue for a few years as those grants are vesting through. Many of them originally were four-year grants, so they have two or three years left in which you're going to see that stock-based comp as those underlying shares are vesting with the stock. If once the stock stabilizes, then you will see less impact or less need for additional grants. So we're hoping that we're at that place and that you're not going to see additional supplemental grants at that same level, but until we get past probably another year's worth, we might have some more. In terms of the repurchase, as you heard, we purchased $991 million, or 11 million shares, so we have a little bit of room with that. Once we've completed that, we'll evaluate whether or not we want to ask the board for authorization. We haven't done that yet.
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Operator37:22
Thank you.
And we'll now hear from Matt Stotler with William Blair.
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Matt Stotler37:28
Hey there, thank you for taking the question. Maybe just one more on the online business. It'd be great to maybe get some color, some commentary on the economics of that business, the margin profile as it compares to the Enterprise segment of the business, and what the implication there is as that revenue mix continues to shift, specifically in the context of the updated long-term figures you gave us a couple weeks ago.
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Kelly Steckelberg37:51
Yeah, so we've talked about this before. Our online business is a higher margin business as it's largely, not completely, but largely untouched by any person from a sales organization. There are some online account executives that are there to answer questions, but it's minimal compared to our Enterprise sales organization. So we've certainly done a lot of work on modeling what that looks like, and we've taken that into consideration as we laid out our long-term margins that we shared with you at Analyst Day as we looked forward for the next several years and how we think the mix could shift between the online and Enterprise businesses.
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Operator38:34
Thank you.
Moving on to Ryan McWilliams of Barclays.
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Ryan McWilliams38:42
Thank you very much. Big follow-up on that question. Kelly, can you hear me?
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Kelly Steckelberg38:47
Yeah, hi, yeah.
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Ryan McWilliams38:50
Perfect. You previously noted a potential inflection in the online business early to mid next year with churn now right at around pre-pandemic levels, but we're still seeing revenue decline sequentially in this segment. Any updates on this potential inflection? And also, is there any impact from existing Zoom customers upselling to Enterprise on this online business segment? Thanks so much.
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Kelly Steckelberg39:13
So yes, the answer is yes. There are customers that eventually upsell into Enterprise, which is great because that means they're expanding and they're becoming a bigger customer overall, which we love to see. But that does then, it's not company term, but it looks like it's moving out of the online business into the Enterprise. And in terms of the way we're talking about it, it is a stabilization of online, and we expect that from a dollar perspective to still happen in Q2 of next year based on our current forecast that we're seeing.
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Operator39:48
Great.
And moving on to Parker Lane with Stifel.
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Parker Lane39:54
Yeah, hi, thanks for taking the question. Kelly, you referenced thousands of customers that have signed up for Zoom One since it launched, I believe about five months ago. Can you help me understand the profile of those customers a little bit better? Do the majority of them tend to be existing customers that have been migrated onto Zoom One new packaging, or are you seeing a big net new cohort as well? And two, is it skewing more Enterprise for customers that are thinking about going with Zoom One, or are you also seeing a pretty decent spread across all different size organizations? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg40:26
So Eric, I know you love to talk about Zoom One. Do you want to talk about it for a second?
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Eric Yuan40:30
Yeah, absolutely. I think that, you know, first of all, I think, Parker, look at our Zoom One. We launched it several months ago, right? And I looked at all those customers in the minimum size Enterprise, SMB. They all see the value. That's why we see, almost in every market segment, they are moving towards the Zoom One package to see the value. But you know, I need to receive a market segment truly standing out from all the way from SMB to any device, and I think that is what we anticipated.
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Kelly Steckelberg41:03
And thank you, Eric. I would just add to that that the key customer wins that we saw in Zoom One in Q3 were a pretty balanced mix of new as well as customers that are upselling as they're adding new products to their portfolio. So we're really happy about that. We're seeing traction in both aspects of the business.
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Parker Lane41:23
Understood, thanks again.
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Operator41:25
Thank you. We'll hear from Shefali Saraf with FBN Securities.
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Shefali Saraf41:30
Yeah, so thank you very much. So I'd like to hear from you what you think your current visibility is compared to say three months ago. I noticed that your RPO grew by 32% year over year, which is impressive, but you also had a decline in your CRPO percentage. Over the past several quarters, your expansion rate has been declining, and with your guidance for deferred revenue to grow 2-3%, so with my model, I'm getting billings down 10% year over year in Q4, and you've never really had a billings decline in my model. So just talk about the visibility you have right now versus three months ago and when you think you might see this stabilize. Is it a few quarters or a few years? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg42:19
Yeah, so the current RPO pressure is largely related to the online customers and the decline that you're seeing in online. The long-term RPO really benefits from the direct or the Enterprise side of our business, which are managed by the direct business and have more annual and multi-year contracts. That's kind of why you see that shift in terms of the overall percentage. I would say, and then the other impact that we're having that is difficult to predict, of course, is FX, right? So you have to consider that, which is more concentrated online than in Enterprise. But you heard in our guidance that we reduced, we said about $14 million of that we believe to be attributable to FX in general. I would say the economics or the state of our business hasn't changed. Our Enterprise business and our Enterprise sales organization is stable. They're continuing to operate in the same way. The online business with the improvement in churn, as well as the way that the majority of it now has shifted out along the fifth beyond the 15 months, is really helpful in terms of our ability to forecast that business. So I think the visibility is the same. There's just some different reasons for all those different components that you're talking about. The deferred is again, the decline you're seeing in Q4 is really due to the front-end loaded nature of our business. The renewals happen at the front end of the year. That's where you're going to see the upswing in billings, the upswing in deferred, and then it gets amortized over the year. So deferred is coming down, and then we have much lower renewals in Q4 as well. The renewals that are filling up the bucket are much, much smaller. So you mentioned very many factors, and there's different reasons for all of those.
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Operator44:12
Thank you.
Our next question will come from Peter Levine with Evercore.
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Peter Levine44:18
Thank you for taking my question. I think given some of your customers are pushing back the larger decision, are you able to kind of toggle your sales force, maybe focus more on those back-to-base opportunities? And Kelly, just to follow up, can you share how many of those nine, I think you said nine or ten thousand seat phone customers, are net new to Zoom? And then maybe just share, are these legacy PBX replacements or are you going in and replacing another cloud provider? Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg44:47
Yeah, so first of all, remember our strategy for selling Zoom Phone is selling into the existing install base. So I don't know actually the split between those nine, but I'm sure that the majority of those were existing Zoom customers. And I think there's a focus on the company that, as Eric has talked about, of expanding not just phone, right, but expanding to the full platform. So that's really what we have our team focusing on now. It's Zoom One, it's Contact Center, it's Zoom IQ for Sales now, it's Email and Calendar, and really thinking about that complete platform including Team Chat and the adoption within organization. So for all the reasons we've been talking about in terms of retention, flexibility for organizations to reduce vendors, the cost savings, the total cost of ownership that they see by having that combined, for all of those reasons, that's really becoming the focus of our Enterprise sales organization.
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Operator45:49
And our next question will come from Matthew Niknam with Deutsche Bank.
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Matthew Niknam45:54
Hey, thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask you, you mentioned the greater value that customers are seeking out from the broader platform. I'm just wondering, are there specific areas where you see maybe more room to strengthen the platform? And with the compression we've seen in market valuations, how are you thinking about potential inorganic opportunities? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg46:16
So Eric, do you want to talk about the platform and the value they see?
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Eric Yuan46:19
Yeah, sure, absolutely. I think, you know, for those customers right who deploy the Zoom One platform, right, they really like it. The reason why I look at it, when they click in, the same interface, right, and they have a scheduled meeting, you can use our Zoom Team Chat to communicate with your team, and customers make a phone call, whiteboard there. Now we added email and calendar fully integrated together. I think that's the whole value, right? Plus, you look at a customer, they used to be deploying many other important solutions, not always one platform, the full usage stack. That is value, a unified experience, and that's why more and more customers, no matter which other cloud solution they deploy, take a phone for example, they follow other cloud solutions. Now they realize the full value of the entire UC platform. We see more and more customers they just reach out to us rather than we reach out to them to upsell. Now they return to us and say, 'I see the value,' and that's why more and more innovations will be built upon the Zoom One platform. And I think, as I said recently when asked, that's our focus, to double down on our platform story.
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Kelly Steckelberg47:30
And just in terms of inorganic opportunities, if we can elaborate on that. Sure, so we continue every day to look at opportunities, and yes, the compression in valuations certainly is not lost on us. What we're always trying to balance, of course, is what would it bring to our customers, what would it bring or the impact potentially on our culture, and then of course the value and the state of the technology. We have a high bar for both talent and technology here at Zoom, so it's been difficult, I would say, today to find something that really meets all of those standards. Eric is a very hard judge, but that doesn't mean that we're stopping, and we continue to look for opportunities every day.
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Eric Yuan48:18
Yeah, also, you know, in terms of the full platform experience that I mentioned, our customers, the number one thing is they like an entire experience. Let's say, you know, if you look at the other biggest service provider, right, how to make sure you have a consistent experience, that's not that easy. That's why we continue to look at all those greater technology companies. It's always, you know, we recorded many years ago again, if we wanted to obsess and focus on the brand new service, we might think about inorganic opportunity. But now look at a UC platform, we're already here with everything. Now we just need to focus on the go-to-market side, right? And we have high confidence. We're getting more and more traction there.
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Operator48:58
Thank you, thank you.
Moving on to Alex Oogum with Wolf Research.
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Alex Oogum49:04
Hey guys, maybe I have one question that's a bit forward, it's a bit hard. But if I look at the forward-looking metrics and the implicit guide for Enterprise revenue next quarter is about 15, to maintain that low 20s for the full year, if you go forward a second, it does look like growth next year is going to be kind of in the low to mid single digits, assuming the normalization or stabilization of the online business and assuming some further deceleration with the macro getting tougher, with OpEx growing nearly 30% this year. How are we thinking about a worsening environment? What's the recession playbook for Zoom? We've seen some companies take some pretty meaningful steps with respect to employees, with respect to dialing up the efficiency of the business. What's the plan? What's the recession plan here? Maybe for both you and Eric.
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Kelly Steckelberg50:11
So, I think that your assessment, we're not giving FY24 guidance on this call, we will do that obviously at the Q4 call, but your assessment in the way you're kind of thinking about the top-line growth is right in line with how we're thinking about it right now. And in terms of from an operating margin perspective, the way we're thinking about it is, as we're working on our FY24 plan, we are being very, very thoughtful about prioritization of investments. That's how I would say it. As you noted, we have grown our expenses and we've hired a lot this year, and so being very thoughtful about ensuring that they're focused on the right things, that we are prioritized internally. We are committed to continuing on innovation and meeting our customers' needs, as well as go-to-market expansion. Those are really the top priorities that we have, and making sure that we have resources in the right areas for that. I guess that's what I would say.
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Eric Yuan51:20
Yeah, so I think we are in a much better position. You look at the efficiency and the potential productivity improvements, like cash flow, profitability, and a process of mission. We had a lot of teammates this year. I think that they are going to reach full productivity next year, and that's why I think we can weather the storm, right? For any short-term or long-term recession, we feel very confident to drive efficiency and productivity.
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Alex Oogum51:52
And I guess maybe just as a follow-up, if I look at the buyback cadence, given on the one side, Kelly, you're talking about having to issue shares as long as the stock goes down. On the other side, you have $5 billion in cash on the balance sheet to buy back stock. So how do we, because I get a lot of questions about dilution, particularly given the supplemental share buyback. So at least on that front, what's the right way to think about over the next year or the next two, three years, how you're going to leverage that cash balance?
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Kelly Steckelberg52:24
Yeah, so we think based on the share purchase program that we currently have in place, we've done a good job of being able to offset the dilution from the supplemental shares. We want to be very thoughtful about our cash flows. We just talked about M&A, for example. So especially as we're focusing on our FY24 plan, we're balancing the opportunity for managing dilution as well as earnings on that cash and M&A opportunities. So all of those are being considered as we look forward for FY24, and that's really what we have to say today. We'll have more to talk about when we come back for the Q4 call.
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Alex Oogum53:03
Perfect, thank you guys.
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Operator53:07
We'll now hear from Ryan Koontz with Needham and Company.
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Ryan Koontz53:10
Thanks for the question. What if you unpack the strength in Enterprise and how to think about that revenue growth across different product categories? It's not quantitative, but can you kind of give us an idea where phone stacks up versus expanded meeting license and any other products that look like they become meaningful in the next 12 months as you look at that on the Enterprise side? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg53:33
Yeah, so really happy with the progress we've seen with Zoom One, with Zoom Phone, and the strength in Zoom Rooms in Q3. We also certainly see potential in Contact Center and Sales IQ. They're just so early, you know, we're seeing progress there and excitement, but it's early stages. In terms of what they're contributing overall to the dollar amount, it's minimal at this point, but we are seeing growth in terms of quarter-over-quarter expansion in those products, so that's really exciting to see.
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Ryan Koontz54:07
Got it, thanks Kelly.
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Operator54:11
And our next question will come from Catherine Trepnick with MKM.
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Catherine Trepnick54:15
Oh, thank you for taking my question, appreciate it. One of mine is on your partner program. You brought in a new partner executive last July. Could you specify any particular areas that he's going to concentrate on to drive more revenue? He just interviewed in one of the CRM magazines and said he wants to get to 50% revenue through the channel. Can you just address some of the ideas that he has to implement?
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Kelly Steckelberg54:44
So yeah, Todd, Catherine's referring to Todd who joined us a couple quarters ago. He's great. At Zootopia, he hosted our first Partner Connect with over 400 partners there, so that was super exciting to see. And while there are lots of opportunities, I think one of the biggest areas of opportunity is international partner expansion. We've done a good job over the last few years of building up master agent and carriers here in the U.S., but it's still relatively nascent outside the U.S., so that will be a big area of focus for sure.
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Operator55:21
All right, thank you.
And James Fish with Piper Sandler, please go ahead with your question.
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James Fish55:27
Hey, thanks for the question. Most of mine have been asked, but I do actually want to ask on the Enterprise sales investment that we've been talking about the last couple of years. How are you guys looking to balance productivity improvements to support your margin stability versus expanding capacity, especially for these reps who over the last few years really had the advantage of an easier sales cycle with meetings especially? Is there any way to also understand the experience of reps underneath in terms of how many are fully productive at this point? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg55:59
Yeah, so in terms of our reps, we are constantly looking at opportunities to help make them more productive. As we were just talking about, we've hired a lot over the last few years, and as we look forward to FY24, we'll be making many fewer hires. So we're really looking for how do we enable the reps, how do we make sure that we have the right overlay teams in the right places to support them. As a reminder, we have specialists that are selling Contact Center and Phone, and that's a really important aspect of making sure that everybody is aligned on serving our customers in the best way possible, so that is a big focus. We also have a new president, Greg Tom, that you all met last quarter, and he's been spending a lot of time helping us think about that, especially as we're moving up in the Enterprise stack, and that's his experience, his background. And really focusing on making sure that our comp plans align. That's another thing that we're taking a look at for FY24 as well.
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Eric Yuan57:01
And I want to jump in on another point because the add-on toward a credit side and also the Zoom IQ for Sales, that product suddenly added a value to drive our team's productivity, right? Especially when they work remotely, how to manage their productivity, drive efficiency, take some actions quickly. I think we deployed a new market, and by the end of this month, literally every rep will be fully trained on Zoom IQ for Sales. Not only do we improve our sales productivity, but also we'll create a lot of opportunity for us to sell more and more Zoom IQ for Sales. That's a future value for every sales team to drive productivity.
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James Fish57:40
Helpful, thanks guys.
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Operator57:45
Moving on to Matt Van Vliet with BTIG.
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Matt Van Vliet57:48
Yeah, hi, good afternoon, thanks for taking the question. I guess you highlighted Zoom Rooms, and I'm curious how much of that uptick do you feel like has been sort of a return to office for a number of companies, and really having that mixed modality of a conference room and still having remote workers in? And how much risk might that come under over the next several quarters of being a growth lever as we've seen layoffs, as we see slower macro, and maybe that's not an additive spend that companies are going to want to undertake when they're already paying for the individual Zoom licenses? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg58:27
Yeah, I think it's very similar to Zoom meeting licenses in the aspect of as long as you have a hybrid workforce, you need the right technology in your conference rooms to ensure that you have this inclusive experience that we've all become so accustomed to. And we continue to listen to our customers and work on innovations to ensure that we provide that. But I don't think it's going to go away. We'll see what happens with commercial real estate, however, Zoom Rooms and the importance of those in a hybrid workforce, I just can't stress enough the importance of that. And that's really what our customers are seeing as well as they're in some sort of state of a hybrid work environment.
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Eric Yuan59:16
Great, thank you. And also another thing just quickly. So used to be, you look at a Zoom room, most of the users are used internally, right, for internal calls. Now look at the Zoom rooms, that's not the case. A lot of customers are leveraging Zoom rooms for customer and partner interactions. That's one difference, and that's the reason why the customer likes Zoom. When you talk with a customer or partner, you want to make sure you have a better experience. And another thing, even for those companies who might think about laying off employees or reducing the number of employees, guess what? Let's have more Zoom rooms. You know, you double down on your customer and partner interaction, and that's why we still see a good opportunity ahead of us.
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Operator1:00:00
Thank you, thank you.
And we'll move on to Tyler Radke with Citi.
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Tyler Radke1:00:08
Hey, thanks for taking my question. Kelly, in terms of the Q4 guide, understand that currency was a bit of a factor there on the lower outlook, but can you just unpack what you're assuming from a macro perspective? Is the Q4 guide relative to what was implied last quarter incorporating churn getting worse in SMB or weaker net ads, or maybe you're seeing something on the Enterprise side? Just help us understand the non-FX side in terms of what you're expecting for Q4.
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Kelly Steckelberg1:00:40
Yeah, so in the online segment of the business for Q4, we expect churn to be pretty much in line with Q3. It's likely that number is going to bounce around a little bit quarter to quarter, and that's going to all be visible to you now as we report it, but we're not forecasting any dramatic changes there. And then in the Enterprise segment, I would say the biggest change that we're seeing is just continued push of deals to the back end of the quarter. So that linearity, over the last few years we had a much more balanced linearity in our Enterprise segment, and what that leads to, of course, is deals contributing to revenue in the quarter, and we're seeing much less of that as these deals are going back to the more traditional back end, really back end of the quarter. Now we have the benefit in Q4 of having kind of the two periods of December 31st close and then the January 31st close, but we are expecting the linearity more consistent with what we've seen in Q3 than what we saw a year ago.
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Tyler Radke1:01:48
Thank you.
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Operator1:01:50
And we have time for one additional question from Karl Keirstead with UBS.
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Karl Keirstead1:01:56
Hi, great, thanks for fitting me in. Hey Kelly, I'd just love to ask you about the perceived utility of the billings number. Traditionally we look at that number as a decent proxy for business momentum, but obviously minus 10 in Q4 and plus 1% for the full year. I'm guessing you would argue that that's a poor proxy for Zoom's momentum, so can you opine on that a little bit? Because I think there's some consternation about that negative 10 implied percent billings. Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg1:02:28
Carl, I should have said this earlier. As a reminder, we don't guide to billings. We never have because we don't think that they are a good indicator for us because of the large percentage of our customers, especially in the online segment of the business, that are on monthly contracts. And so because they bill and they pay us monthly, they don't show up in that number, and that's why it isn't really a good proxy for you to use.
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Karl Keirstead1:02:57
Okay, and as a follow-up, Kelly, is there anything else that's skewing that deferred revenue number? Is there any change to invoicing terms or maybe more flexible payment terms to customers that maybe on the margin are impacting deferred revenue as well?
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Kelly Steckelberg1:03:15
Nothing significant. It's really the timing. The deferred revenue specifically is really about the seasonality of the renewals. I can't stress that enough for everybody. Remember, it's the two factors. It's the fact that they bill in Q1, and then so you're going to see an uptick in billings and deferreds and collections, and then that amortizes over time. And then the billings in Q4 are just a lot smaller, so you have this double impact of now you've amortized a lot of the deferred that was picked up in Q1, so we're down at the lowest period in Q4, and the billings in Q4 are the lightest period to refill that bucket. So this is going to be a phenomenon that we're going to see for years to come, as I talked about, until over time we start to see more and more of our bookings happening in Q4, but that's going to take a long time.
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Karl Keirstead1:04:05
Makes sense, thank you.
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Operator1:04:07
Hey, thanks a lot, Carl.
Thank you, everybody.
And again, that does conclude our Q&A session for today. I'll go ahead and turn things back over to Eric for any closing or additional remarks.
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Eric Yuan1:04:17
Thank you. First of all, thank you to every Zoom employee for great work. Thank you to every customer, partner, and investors for your great support. You all have a wonderful holiday season. Thank you again.
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Operator1:04:31
Thank you, thank you, Eric. And again, this does conclude today's earnings release. We thank you all so much for your participation, and from our family to yours, may you have a safe and happy holiday season. Enjoy the rest of your day, and again, we'll see you next quarter. Goodbye.