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Kelly Steckelberg
Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer, Zoom Video Communications

ZM Stock | Zoom Video Communications Inc Q2 2022 Earnings Call

🎥 Aug 30, 2021 📺 AlphaStreet ⏱ 64m 👁 453 views
Zoom Video Communications, Inc. (NASDAQ: ZM) Q2 2022 earnings call dated Aug. 30, 2021 Corporate Participants: Tom McCallum — Head of Investor Relations Eric S. Yuan — Founder & Chief Executive Officer Kelly Steckelberg — Chief Financial Officer Analysts: Ittia Kidron — Oppenheimer — Analyst Steve Enders — KeyBanc — Analyst Imtiaz Koujalgi — Guggenheim — Analyst Meta Marshall — Morgan Stanley — Analyst Matthew VanVliet — BTIG — Analyst Pat Walravens — JMP Securities — Analyst Shelby Seyrafi — FBN Securities — Analyst Ryan Koontz — Needham — Analyst Siti Panigrahi — Mizuho Securit...
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About Kelly Steckelberg

Kelly Steckelberg, Zoom’s CFO, has discussed the company’s financial performance and strategy in multiple media appearances. In February 2024, she told CNBC’s Jim Cramer that Zoom’s priority is investing for growth, both organically and through potential acquisitions, while also executing a $1.5 billion share repurchase program. She stated that Zoom is expanding its platform with features like workspace reservation to support hybrid work. In November 2023, she said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that Zoom was pleased with its Q3 results, noting that Zoom Phone had crossed the 10% of revenue threshold and that the company uses a “federated approach” to AI, working with multiple models including OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta. She also highlighted that the company saw stabilization in its online business earlier than expected and reported peak gross margins of 80.5%. Steckelberg has also addressed the company’s approach to hybrid work and competition. In a December 2023 interview, she said Zoom’s structured hybrid approach, asking employees near an office to come in two days a week, was going well and that 65% of employees remain remote. She has described Microsoft as a partner, stating that Zoom works with customers to integrate its products with Microsoft’s offerings. At Zoomtopia 2023, she said the company would not charge extra for its AI Companion, aiming to make it available to all paying customers. Steckelberg, a UT McCombs alumna, has said that her goal of becoming a public company CFO was realized with Zoom’s IPO, and she has established an endowed scholarship at the business school.

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Transcript (103 segments)
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Tom McCallum0:00
Hello everyone and welcome to Zoom's second quarter fiscal year 2022 earnings release. I'd like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to hand it over to Tom McCallum, head of Investor Relations.
Thank you, Matt. Hello everyone and welcome to Zoom's earnings video webinar for the second quarter of fiscal 2022. Joining me today will be Zoom's founder and CEO Eric Yuan and Zoom CFO Kelly Steckelberg. Our earnings press release was issued today after the market closed and may be downloaded from the Investor Relations page at investors.zoom.com. Also on this page, you'll be able to find a copy of today's prepared remarks and a slide deck with financial highlights that, along with our earnings release, include a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our financial outlook for the third quarter and full fiscal year 2022, Zoom's expectations regarding financial and business trends, Zoom's growth strategy and business aspirations to drive evolution on multiple fronts as organizations and people reimagine work, communication, and collaboration, and Zoom being well positioned to be successful as a platform. These statements are only predictions that are based on what we believe today, and actual results may differ materially. These forward-looking statements are subject to the risks and other factors that could affect our performance and financial results, which we discuss in detail in our filings with the SEC, including our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Zoom assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make on today's webinar. In addition, as you all know, we announced our intent to acquire Five9 in July. Clearly, we're excited about joining forces with Five9, but please note that we will not be discussing or addressing questions regarding the pending transaction this time as we are in the process of regulatory review. And with that, let me turn the discussion over to Eric.
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Eric Yuan2:03
Hey, thank you Tom, and thank you all, and welcome to everyone joining us on today's webinar. I want to start by thanking our customers and partners for their trust and loyalty, which led to our continued strong revenue growth alongside remarkable profitability and free cash flow. We also want to thank our hard-working employees for their dedication to delivering happiness to our customers and partners. I have been humbled by the stories of how our customers have leveraged Zoom to reimagine the way they work. Specifically, I'd like to thank Charlie Munger of Berkshire Hathaway for his remarks about how Zoom has added so much convenience to his life. We are so delighted to count Charlie as a happy user, and I nominated myself to be Charlie's personal Zoom tech support if he ever needs it. In Q2, we also achieved several milestones, setting the foundation for us to thrive as a platform. In July, we launched Zoom Apps, which brings over 50 apps right into the Zoom meeting experience. And this is just the beginning. The beauty of our platform is it allows our ecosystem of developers to add even more functionality by building apps where workflows are integrated with meeting interactions. This is a win-win because better integrations will boost our customers' productivity and afford our developers exposure to our large user base. Zoom Apps Fund, which has already invested in over a dozen startups in our Zoom Apps and SDK ecosystem, further aligns us with the developers, enabling them to focus more on innovation. We are also excited to have launched Zoom Events in July. Zoom Events is an easy yet powerful solution to produce and host company and public events. It acts as a layer above our existing Zoom Video Webinars and Zoom Meetings products. Zoomtopia will be with you on Zoom Events in only two weeks, and we hope to see all of you there. In Q2, we saw several large customer upsells. We were very happy to expand with a leading tech firm who increased their meetings licenses over six-fold to 95,000, and with a global financial services customer who added over 63,000 Zoom Phone licenses, making them our new largest customer. Both wins were displacements of legacy solutions that Zoom beat in terms of reliability, simplicity, and integration. Let me recognize a few very big wins for the quarter. I want to welcome NEC Corporation to the Zoom family. NEC is a leader in the integration of IT and network technologies, with the slogan 'Orchestrating a Brighter World.' In order to enhance the productivity, collaboration, and happiness of their global workforce, NEC deployed approximately 110,000 Zoom Meetings licenses. I also want to welcome Seagate Technology to the Zoom family. Seagate is a global data storage infrastructure leader, innovating world-class precision-engineered data storage and management solutions with a focus on sustainable partnerships. Seagate recently decided to modernize and integrate their global communications infrastructure with over 14,000 Zoom Meetings licenses and over 17,000 Zoom Phone licenses. Next is a Zoom Phone upsell. In Q2 of last year, we welcomed ExxonMobil, which develops and applies next-generation technologies to help safely and responsibly meet the world's growing need for energy and chemical products, to the Zoom family. They began as a Zoom Video Conferencing customer to enable their teams to collaborate globally. We are very grateful to have seen our partnership evolve over the past year and excited that ExxonMobil has recently decided to add Zoom Phone to further enhance the user experience for their global workforce, leveraging a communications platform that is very easy to deploy and manage. In addition to these great customer wins, we also closed another strategic channel partnership with Telkomsel, the largest cellular operator in Indonesia, which is the world's fourth largest country by population. Telkomsel understands the need to support their 170 million subscribers' need for seamless and reliable virtual meetings to thrive in a digital workplace era. We will be leveraging the power of Zoom's developer platform and ISP partnership program to deliver a fully integrated solution, with their cloud offerings for the enterprise segment and Zoom native apps for the consumer segment. The collaboration between Telkomsel and Zoom will bring communication to the next level by combining Zoom's strong capabilities and feature-rich platform with Telkomsel's best quality network and localized interface, together creating a powerful tool to improve customer productivity and collaboration. Thank you, NEC, Seagate, ExxonMobil, and Telkomsel. I love you all. Zoom is one of the digital platforms that combine meetings, phone, events, office technology, and developer solutions in a way that is simple, reliable, and frictionless. This fundamental truth underpins our leadership position in video conferencing and will help to drive further growth in Zoom Phone and Zoom Rooms as we expand our platform and addressable market in the hybrid world. Today, we're very fortunate to be a leading global brand with over half a million customers with more than 10 employees. Our internal innovation engine is very strong and boosted by our growing Zoom Apps developer ecosystem and acquisitions such as Kites, which will strengthen our position in AI transcription and translation. As organizations and people reimagine work, communications, and collaboration, we face a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to drive this evolution on multiple fronts. Thanks again to the hard work of our over 5,700 employees and the trust of our loyal customers. We are positioned very well to be successful as a platform embracing and enabling a hybrid world. I'm very excited about the future. The journey has only begun. And with that, let me pass it over to Kelly. Thank you.
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Kelly Steckelberg10:34
Thank you, Eric, and hello everyone. We had an eventful Q2 with several highlights. The first of which was the strength in the enterprise. We were able to grow the number of enterprise customers spending more than $1 million in ARR by 77% year-over-year. And the second highlight is the acceleration we have seen with Zoom Phone. We grew the number of customers spending more than $100,000 in ARR on Zoom Phone by 241% year-over-year. In August, we will reach—actually, right before this call, we reached 2 million Zoom Phone seats, only 8 months after reaching our first million. We added 8 Zoom Phone customers with more than 10,000 seats in the first half of FY22, bringing us to a total of 26. And in Q2, we broke our record for the largest Zoom Phone deal to date twice in the same day. It is important to note that as we've just lapped our first full quarter year-over-year compare since the start of the pandemic, we have seen customers return to more thoughtful, measured buying patterns. While revenue, profitability, and cash flow were strong in the second quarter and the first half, other metrics have begun to normalize, especially when compared to the unprecedented year-over-year comps. In Q2, total revenue grew 54% year-over-year to $1.02 billion, marking our first billion-dollar-plus quarter, only five quarters after reaching a billion-dollar annual run rate. The top-line result exceeded the high end of our guidance of $990 million. We saw strength in our direct and channel businesses, which grew at twice the rate of our online business. Zoom Phone, Zoom Rooms, and Asia Pacific growth also accelerated in the quarter. The year-over-year growth in revenue for the quarter was driven by a healthy mix between new and existing customers, where new customers accounted for approximately 74% of the incremental revenue, and existing customers accounted for 26% of the incremental revenue. Let's take a look at the key customer metrics for the quarter. We saw 131% year-over-year growth in the upmarket as we ended the quarter with 2,278 customers generating more than $100,000 in trailing 12 months revenue. We exited the quarter with approximately 504,900 customers with more than 10 employees, up 36% year-over-year, and representing 64% of revenue. In Q2, customers with 10 or fewer employees represented approximately 36% of revenue, in line with Q2 of last year but down from its high of 38% in Q3 of last year. As we discussed previously, this cohort, which comprises SMB and consumers who typically purchase online, is more volatile, and we expect it to continue to decline as a percentage of revenue as customers adjust to the evolving environment. Our net dollar expansion rate for customers with more than 10 employees exceeded 130% for the 13th consecutive quarter, as existing customers increased their spend with Zoom and upsells of Zoom Phone and Zoom Rooms picked up pace. Both domestic and international markets had strong growth during the quarter. Our Americas revenue grew 50% year-over-year. Our combined APAC and EMEA revenue grew 62% year-over-year to be approximately 33% of revenue, up from 31% a year ago. In recent quarters, we have made significant investments in our international teams. In Asia Pacific, our direct sales team drove several strong wins in the enterprise segment. However, in EMEA, we saw some headwinds, which were predominantly driven by declines in the online segment. Now turning to profitability, which is strong from both GAAP and non-GAAP perspectives. I will focus on our non-GAAP results, which exclude stock-based compensation expense and associated payroll taxes, charitable donation of common stock, acquisition-related expenses, net, litigation expenses, and gains or losses on strategic investments. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q2 was 76.2%, compared to 72.3% in Q2 of last year and 73.9% in Q1 of this year. The sequential improvement in gross margin is mainly due to new data center capacity coming online and lower usage during the summer months, particularly with schools. We now expect gross margin outlook to be higher than previously discussed at approximately 75% for the remainder of the fiscal year, even while we continue to support free K-12 education. Research and development expense grew by 89% year-over-year to approximately $54 million. As a percentage of total revenue, R&D expense was approximately 5.3%, an increase from Q2 of last year, demonstrating our ongoing commitment to building out our engineering teams globally and maintaining best-in-class product and innovation. Sales and marketing expense grew by 72% year-over-year to $211 million. Sales and marketing expense was approximately 20.7% of total revenue, an increase from Q2 of last year, mainly due to investments and hiring to drive sustainable future growth. We plan to increase investment in global sales capacity as well as digital marketing and events to drive additional leads for our sales teams across meetings, phones, rooms, and events. G&A expense in the quarter grew by 73% to $89 million, as we continue to scale these functions and invest in systems, automation, and compliance to meet our new scale. G&A expense was approximately 8.7% of total revenue, a slight increase from Q2 of last year. The revenue upside in the quarter carried through to the bottom line with non-GAAP operating income of $425 million, exceeding our guidance. This translates to a 41.6% non-GAAP operating margin for Q2, steady with both Q2 last year and Q1 of this year. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share in Q2 was $1.36 on approximately 306 million non-GAAP weighted average shares outstanding. This result is $0.21 above the high end of our guidance and $0.44 above Q2 of last year. Turning to the balance sheet, deferred revenue at the end of the period was $1.2 billion, up 59% year-over-year from $743 million. Looking at both our billed and unbilled contracts, our RPO totaled approximately $2.3 billion, up 66% year-over-year from $1.4 billion. We expect to recognize approximately 69% of the total RPO as revenue over the next 12 months, as compared to 72% in Q2 of last year, reflecting a shift back to longer-term plans. It is important to remember that because over 40% of our business is billed monthly and typically bought online, deferred revenue and RPO trends are not reliable predictors of future revenue growth. As I mentioned last quarter, the timing of our renewals has increasingly shifted to the beginning of the fiscal year, with Q1 now representing our largest renewal quarter. This shift in seasonality is a result of the significant growth we experienced in the first half of FY21. We expect this front-weighted seasonality will persist and potentially become even more pronounced given the scale of our base and practice of upselling coterminously with existing contracts. As such, we would expect total deferred revenue and RPO to be modestly down from Q2 to Q3. We ended the quarter with approximately $5.1 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities, excluding restricted cash. We had strong operating cash flow in the quarter of $468 million, up from $401 million in Q2 of last year. Free cash flow was $455 million, up from $373 million in Q2 of last year. The increase is primarily attributable to the top-line growth and disciplined spending. Looking at the remainder of the fiscal year, we expect to increase our capital expenditures related to ongoing data center expansion to support our growth outlook. Now turning to guidance, please note that the ever-changing nature of the global pandemic continues to impact our segments and regions in different ways. Our outlook is based on our current assessment of the business environment. Specifically, our outlook assumes that our direct and channel business will continue to experience robust growth, while our online business will be a headwind in the coming quarters as smaller customers and consumers adjust to the evolving environment. For the third quarter of FY22, we expect revenue to be in the range of $1.015 to $1.02 billion. We expect non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $340 to $345 million. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $1.07 to $1.08, based on approximately 309 million shares outstanding. For the full year of FY22, we expect revenue to be in the range of $4.005 to $4.015 billion, which would represent approximately 51% year-over-year growth. We expect non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of approximately $1.5 to $1.51 billion, which would represent approximately 53-54% year-over-year growth. Our outlook for non-GAAP earnings per share is $4.75 to $4.79, based on approximately 308 million shares outstanding. Before concluding, I'd like to welcome everyone to join us in two weeks at Zoomtopia, our two-day immersive experience that is packed with exciting product updates, guest speakers, and virtual networking opportunities. And on day one, please join us for our financial analyst briefing, where we will be providing you with greater detail on Zoom Phone, the platform, our channel partnerships, and much more. And as always, Zoom is grateful to be a driving force enabling connection and collaboration worldwide with our high-quality, frictionless, and secure communications platform. Thank you to the entire Zoom team, our customers, our community, and our investors. If you have not yet enabled your video, please do so now for the interactive portion of this meeting. Matt, please queue up our first question.
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Itai23:04
Hey guys, thanks. Don't forget to unmute yourself. Great quarter again, guys. Kelly, I want to focus on this position. Clearly, you're doing extremely well with phones. It's phenomenal the growth that you're seeing over there. But can you give me a little bit more insight as to what is the growth in meetings right here right now? My math suggests a very significant deceleration in your expansion rate, and I would suspect that that's specific to meetings decelerating. Help me think about the contribution of growth of those two elements and how that might change over the next 12 months.
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Kelly Steckelberg23:42
So I think in terms of the expansion rate you're talking about, the implied expansion rate that you calculated, I just want to remind you first of all that when you calculate that, it includes all of our customer base. And as we mentioned, we are seeing headwinds in the online segment of our business for sure. So that's what I would say. We see strength, continued strength, in the upmarket enterprise in both meetings and phone. And where you're seeing that challenge in the implied metric, it's really coming from the online segment of the market.
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Itai24:19
So should I interpret that churn is now finally rising in that category? Is that the right way to think about this going forward now that the economy is slowly opening and some businesses are scaling back on usage here?
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Kelly Steckelberg24:32
Yeah, so remember, the online business is primarily, not exclusively, but primarily small businesses and individuals. And I think what we've seen is, well, while the future of Delta is still unknown, we do see individuals especially moving around the world and feeling comfortable. Like I think we were talking about, most of us are probably socializing in person now, doing fewer things like Zoom happy hours, and that's where we're starting to see some of the challenges. So the net dollar expansion in the online segment is what's driving that number down.
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Steve Enders25:16
Our next question is from Steve Enders with KeyBanc.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my question here. I guess I just want to dig in a little bit more on the trends you're seeing in the second half. It looks like you're now guiding down a little bit, or a downtrend from before, but we're talking about an uptrend. So I just want to get a better sense for what's the biggest incremental change that you're seeing there in the outlook and what's changed in the past three months specifically.
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Kelly Steckelberg25:42
Yeah, so again, we continue to see strength in our upmarket. We're excited about what we're seeing in the enterprise and phone internationally. International we all saw growth accelerate. When we look out though, what we have seen is a slowdown in the online segment of the business. Again, even though the pandemic seems to be far from over, we are happy that people are feeling more comfortable being out traveling, and that's really where we're seeing this slowdown. If you back all the way up to when we gave guidance at the beginning of the year, we had expected that towards the end of the year, but it's just happened a little bit more quickly than we expected. And of course, we feel good that people are out moving around the world, but it's certainly creating some headwinds as we said in the online segment of our business.
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Steve Enders26:34
Okay, great. And is that creating any opportunities then as companies think about going back to the office for Zoom Rooms and incremental activity with that product?
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Kelly Steckelberg26:46
Absolutely. So we saw Zoom Rooms start to accelerate again in Q2, which was very exciting as our customers are planning and thinking about it. They more than doubled quarter over quarter from Q1 to Q2. So absolutely, companies are preparing and planning for welcoming their employees back to the office.
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Steve Enders27:08
Okay, perfect. Thanks for taking my questions.
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Kelly Steckelberg27:10
Yeah, thank you Steve.
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Taz27:20
Hey Taz, you're on mute.
Can you hear me now? Yes, I can. Sorry about that. Hi, I'm Zoom Phone. So if you look at the numbers reported tonight, you added about 500,000 seats in the last four months? Prior to that, you were adding about 500,000 seats every quarter. It looks like a bit of a slowdown in the number of seats you're adding this quarter. Is that a fair comment?
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Kelly Steckelberg27:44
No, it's almost exactly the same time frame. Because I think we had announced in December that we hit a million, and then we announced 1.5 on our call in April, and then 2 million on this call. So it's almost exactly the same pace.
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Taz28:01
Got it. And then just one follow-up. You said weakness in the online segment. Is that coming from just increased churn, or are you seeing a slowdown in new customer acquisition in that line item?
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Kelly Steckelberg28:14
It's a little bit of both. As we mentioned, we specifically saw some challenges in certain regions like EMEA, where the world, at least for a period of time, was a little more open again and people were moving around. And that's where we see people taking advantage of being out in the world and seeing some slower top-line bookings as well as accelerated churn.
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Taz28:42
Thank you.
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Meta Marshall28:52
Great. Thanks. Kelly, I just wanted to dig into your commentary on more measured spending patterns that you're seeing. And taking away from the smaller business commentary that you've been giving and focusing on enterprise, just trying to get a sense: does that mean normalizing the amount of seats they're adding, or that they're rationalizing the seats they've had, or rationalizing the number of video solutions they're having in-house? Just what does that commentary around more measured patterns in the enterprise business mean? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg29:27
Thank you. We saw this start a little bit in Q1 and continue into Q2. I think it's not necessarily measured in terms of how much they're buying, but more measured and thoughtful in how they are buying. They want to take their time. They're doing more complete concepts, for example, versus if you think about a year ago, they were in this sort of stage of trying to keep the lights on almost and buying very quickly. Now they're taking the time to really be thoughtful. It's back to kind of the way they used to buy pre-pandemic, which is just a much more normal buying pattern. So the sort of four quarters we saw last year was really the blip, and now we're back to a more normal, measured approach.
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Meta Marshall30:19
Is there part of that just because it's a couple decisions with phone now, or anything having to do with that?
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Kelly Steckelberg30:27
I think the phone is a different buying cycle, but usually by the time they get to the phone, they already know you. So it's not that that is necessarily slowing it down; it's just that they're taking their time to think about these decisions that they're making.
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Matthew Van Vleet30:54
Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking the question. I guess on the continued success on Zoom Phone here, you called out a number of very large deals. Curious on how often you're being brought in where they're also contemplating a contact center upgrade. Where have you stood? Obviously, the partnership with Five9 has been in place for a while, but just more generally speaking, how often is upgrading to Zoom Phone a part of a broader modernization that could potentially include contact center?
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Kelly Steckelberg31:29
Hi, Matt. I actually don't know exactly off the top of my head the specifics around that. Having an integrated phone and contact center solution is really important to many companies, which is why we're excited about the deal we're working on with Five9. We've been partnering with them, and we also have other partnerships in place as well. There's nothing different about that that has changed. I'd have to go back and look; I don't know exactly what the typical attach rates are between those two. Eric, if you have a perspective on that?
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Eric Yuan32:09
Okay, sure. So Matt, if you look at our installed base, right now they really want to migrate from on-prem PBX systems to the cloud. That's where the huge opportunity comes from. Also, since the pandemic, we do see some enterprise customers also started asking about our contact center understanding because they are planning now. That's why we think this is a new opportunity for us, not only for a brand new revenue stream for contact center, but also it might further grow our phone business as well. Because one year ago, a lot of customers really wanted to migrate their on-prem contact center. Now, given the digital transformation for almost every enterprise customer, we do see more and more customers are very interested. That's why timing-wise, it's perfect for us to double down on the cloud-based contact center.
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Matthew Van Vleet33:14
Great. And then following up quickly on the education front. As schools get back into session, whether or not they're going to be in person or not is a debate, but what's the potential of monetizing more of that installed base?
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Eric Yuan33:31
Is it still going to be a relatively free solution or how has that strategy evolved? Thanks so much. You know, before I answer that question, as you know, our company's value is care. The number one thing is really about the community, right? To support the kids to close schools, this is a no-brainer for us to support that at no cost. We feel very proud. We never thought about how to monetize our service for those K-12 schools. Right now, we all go back to school. With that, we have more benefits and resources to think about how to monetize our installer base. I give them some like free users. Last year, we were extremely busy helping the world stay connected. We didn't even have the bandwidth to think about how to monetize those free users. How to embrace the consumer? We never thought about that before. Now it's the right time. How do you think about embracing the consumer strategy and how to monetize those free users? It's something we're very excited about. We do not want to monetize those K-12 schools. It's our responsibility to help as always.
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Tom McCallum34:44
Thank you.
Thank you, Mark.
Our next question is from Pat Wallravens with JMP Securities.
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Pat Wallravens34:52
Great, thank you. Hi guys. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a company that has grown so fast and realistically pulled a lot of demand forward, right? Because everyone needed to get their video conferencing solutions in place very quickly. And now as I look at 54% this quarter, Kelly, your guidance suggests 30-31% in Q3 and 15% in Q4. So all that is just a lead up for Eric: what is your top one or two priorities in the next 12 months as you go from this hyper growth to a much more reasonable growth period? If you could just sort of contrast those for us, I think that would be really helpful.
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Eric Yuan35:36
Sure, sure. So I would say, Patrick, that's a great question. First of all, you look at it, prior to the pandemic, we always focused on the enterprise constantly. The first video conferencing service we introduced, the effective revenue stream, Zoom Phone. Both of them are doing well. How to introduce a third one, a fourth one? How to double down on that? This is always our total part. If we didn't realize this required a pandemic crisis, otherwise several years ago we probably should have planned a third of those services beforehand. Now, this is indeed illustrated. How to introduce more and more revenue streams, new services to support our enterprise customers? That's always the top priority for us. Essentially, this is part of our overall platform strategy. Inside of that, there's also a new opportunity ahead of us. As I mentioned earlier, we never realized there were so many consumers who are so loyal to our platform. The usage is still pretty healthy. How to embrace the consumer strategy is also something on top of our minds. We never thought about it before. It's the right time. But those two things — enterprise platform and consumer — those two things will drive our future growth.
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Pat Wallravens36:59
That's great, thank you.
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Tom McCallum37:00
Thank you, Patrick.
Our next question is from Chetavira with FBN Securities.
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Chetavira37:05
Yes, so thank you very much. So I'm looking at your implied guide for Q4. It seems like you're guiding it to decelerate to around 12% or so, plus or minus from 30% or so in Q3 with a similar compare, I would argue, and it seems like it will actually be down potentially sequentially from Q3. So can you elaborate on why that might be the case? You talked about the online issues. How long do they last, for example? And if we go to like 10-12% growth in Q4, should we accelerate afterwards after the comparison gets easier? How should we think about next year?
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Kelly Steckelberg37:49
Yeah, so in terms of what you're seeing in Q4, it is continued uncertainty around headwinds in the online segment. Absolutely, that is driving that. And in terms of what that implies for next year, we're not ready to give FY23 guidance today, unfortunately. So we'll be prepared to do that when we get on the Q4 earnings call, and of course we'll have a lot more learnings at that point to share with you. But that is exactly what continues to drive that.
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Chetavira38:26
Is there any reason why the online issues would be bigger in EMEA than in the Americas or Asia?
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Kelly Steckelberg38:33
Well, that's like the pandemic question, right? Because what we've seen is this varies depending by region and by segment, depending on where each of those countries or markets is in their pandemic life cycle. And we've seen it ebb and flow over the last 18 months by market. So it's the challenge that I think all businesses are having right now in thinking about the future with so much uncertainty around the pandemic. It's just difficult to forecast exactly.
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Eric Yuan39:08
Yeah, to add on to what Kelly said, look at our user base in EMEA. Seasonality is also affected, particularly in the summer time. In addition to the COVID situation, users there might have a little bit longer vacation. So seasonality is definitely key, and that's another big difference compared to our user base here.
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Chetavira39:32
Thank you.
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Tom McCallum39:33
Thank you.
Our next question is from Ryan Coates with Needham.
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Ryan Coates39:39
Hi, thanks for the question. Great to hear the progress in the enterprise clicking along there and sounds like some real strength in APAC. Could you share with us any additional color on particular market verticals or applications you're seeing that are key to penetrating and getting these big, large Global 2000 type wins? Thank you.
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Eric Yuan40:00
Yes, I will say, first of all, the top of the market is that education and healthcare are still pretty strong and will bring us more opportunities when we expand in the international market like APAC. Also, those telco partnerships will further help us penetrate into each of those APAC countries. In terms of new opportunities, recently we launched Zoom Apps, and also some partners build new solutions upon the platform, like Class Technologies. I think there are a lot of new opportunities. We don't need to build everything by ourselves. Those third-party customers can leverage our API, SDK, or Zoom Apps to build all kinds of new solutions to focus on all those vertical markets or even departments. That's where the opportunities are coming from.
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Ryan Coates40:59
So you're seeing some opportunities to upsell into the CPaaS type applications in the enterprise?
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Eric Yuan41:04
Yeah, both actually. Because those third-party partners liberate our house business and also bring Zoom to the installer base. And by establishing the tasks, you also can observe more stuff. Essentially, it's a very healthy channel. Not only for their own business to do very well, but also as a great channel for us.
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Ryan Coates41:25
Helpful, thanks.
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Tom McCallum41:26
Thank you.
Our next question is from Sidi Panigrahi with Mizuho.
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Sidi Panigrahi41:34
Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dig into the enterprise segment. Q2 was a big revenue quarter, now that's behind. So what sort of changes are you doing on your go-to-market strategy, mainly increasing quota-carrying sales reps or any changes that you are doing for this normalized environment? And phone used to be one of the big cross-sell opportunities for you. How should we think about phone as you get into a more normalized renewal environment?
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Kelly Steckelberg42:09
So we are absolutely continuing to invest in our sales capacity. We are focused on certain regions, especially where we see lots of opportunity, like Asia Pac. We recently hired a new leader there and are really excited about the progress we're already seeing with his leadership. And then we are continuing to invest in marketing. So as we've moved into the post-pandemic era a little bit, in terms of not post-pandemic but sort of what we saw from last year with the lift in brand awareness, we're continuing now to think about how we invest more in specific product marketing around phone, around Zoom Rooms, as well as digital marketing campaigns, helping to communicate and drive additional leads for all of our teams on a global basis. And then also the channel continues to be a really important aspect of our go-to-market. So the channel was responsible for approximately 27% of our Zoom Phone sales in Q2. We added six additional master agent partners during Q2, so really excited about continuing to invest in the channel on a global basis.
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Sidi Panigrahi43:27
Thanks, Kelly.
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Tom McCallum43:31
All right, our next question is from Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research.
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Alex Zukin43:36
Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. So I think I'll touch on a topic that's been mentioned here before, because I think a lot of people that are investing in the company at this point are really investing in the non-online story of the company, right? The enterprise story, the large business. There's a lot of metrics there, a lot of pollution and noise in these metrics. How do we think about the growth of the important part of the business for investors, meaning the over-10-employee customer base, either from an incremental bookings perspective or an incremental revenue perspective? And when does the headwind or anchor on the business from the pandemic, from the once-in-a-generation SMB buying pattern, when does that trough? And when do we see a normalized growth rate for the company?
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Kelly Steckelberg44:31
Yeah, so thank you, Alex. First of all, we agree with you that we want everyone focused on the long-term potential of the upmarket. As a reminder, in Q2, that segment of the business grew at twice the rate of the online business, so that gives you some indication of how those two segments are diverging a little bit. And then as we look forward, I guess the best way to help you think about it is you want to look at the implied net dollar expansion rate that we were talking about earlier. You can think about what's happening there: the net dollar expansion rate for the online segment is under one, right? That gives you some idea of how to think about those two different segments of our business. In terms of where the trough is, I think it's back to trying to predict a pandemic, which is a difficult thing for obviously anybody in the world to do right now. And as much as we're excited about vaccines being more widely distributed, unfortunately, as we see Delta continuing to grow in certain parts of the world, we have even in the last few weeks seen certain pockets of strength. So I think that's going to depend on what we continue to see in terms of the spread of the variants around the world.
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Alex Zukin46:00
And I guess maybe for Eric, you mentioned the seasonality, the vacations in Europe. Is there a way to get a sense for the delta between just EMEA SMB versus US SMB, so we can get some sense of that magnitude change?
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Eric Yuan46:20
I think overall, our markets are doing well, especially in North America. In EMEA, the online SMB market did not do well last quarter. Seasonality and the COVID situation made it seem a little bit worse because they have longer vacations and so on. So far, looking at our North American market, the upsell of phone and Zoom Rooms, because every company started to go back to the office, new opportunities are coming and doing very well. That's why even with a little bit of a challenge on SMB in EMEA, we didn't see a big problem because it was offset by the hybrid work opportunities. Looking at APAC, we didn't see that at all. It's doing very well. I think overall, as you mentioned earlier, we need to go back to our enterprise platform. Last year, the online business used to be just a marketing channel, but not only a marketing channel, it also contributed a lot to our revenue from a percentage perspective. Now, given that the opportunity is going down for online, in the long run, it's very healthy. With that, we can focus on our core enterprise customers. Plus, given that we've become a household name, it will bring new opportunities to monetize. Usually, the monetization for online low-end users is just the online subscription. I wouldn't say that may not be the sustainable strategy for online user monetization. You have to have other ways to monetize those online users and the installer base. That's why we are very excited about the future.
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Alex Zukin48:03
Thank you, guys.
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Tom McCallum48:04
Thank you.
Our next question is from James Fish with Piper Sandler.
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James Fish48:09
Hey guys, thanks for the question. On the win with Seagate as an example here, how often are you seeing that phone is leading to a greater number of seats at existing customers? Or really, how can we think about that potential uplift within just your install base today of selling phone with meetings? Does that create a greater number of seats at current accounts, not just meeting seats but overall employees that you can actually sell phone into? Is it a two times opportunity that we just don't have as many meeting seats because you can have fewer hosts than you do employees?
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Eric Yuan48:42
James, that's a great question. I think you are so right. One year ago, we really didn't see that. Normally, they buy more meeting licenses and then a little bit of upsell for phone. For the existing installer base, upsell phone. For brand new customers, because the customer looks at one platform for both video and voice, we understand video and voice are converging into one platform. Plus, our phone business is very mature now. Every quarter it's doing very well. Customers like it. It's not like something brand new they don't want to take any risk. It's very mature, plus the individual experience for both video and voice are doing very well. Essentially, from now on, I would say probably more and more customers are not going to view it as 'I need to deploy video first and then deploy phone.' Very likely, they will be able to deploy both. Given the dynamics of each business, sometimes probably they want to deploy more phone than meetings.
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James Fish49:47
Thanks.
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Tom McCallum49:48
Thank you, James.
Next question is from Will Power with Baird.
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Will Power49:54
Great, thanks for taking the question. I guess a tech question probably for you, Kelly. As we think about the 10-plus employee cohort, your upmarket segment, how do we think about one, customer growth from here, and two, if you think about that net expansion, you've been above 130. What's the sustainability of that? Because you've got a number of growth drivers, yet you've got the law of large numbers working against you. How do we think about the outlook on that?
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Kelly Steckelberg50:25
Yeah, in terms of net dollar expansion, we expected to stay above 130% certainly for Q3. And then in terms of Q4, we expected to be at least in that range. It's a quarter out, we don't know exactly, but we're predicting it to be right in that same range still for Q4. And then in terms of customer growth, I think what you're going to continue to see is ongoing growth driven by large deals. So the customer count may slow, but you're going to continue to see growth driven by these big deals as we see opportunities to continue to cross-sell with Zoom Phone. As you heard, we beat our two largest deals record in the same day this quarter, so really seeing opportunities there. And then as people are planning to go back to the office, also opportunities for Zoom Rooms, and then think about Zoom Events. So you're going to start to see opportunities for larger and larger customer wins. And I think the other thing to know, we talked about the quarter, but I just want to make sure everybody understands: we had a deal this quarter that became our new largest customer. Not a new customer, an existing customer, but with their upsell, they became the largest customer. So we're continuing to see these really significant large wins, and that I expect to continue.
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Will Power51:54
Great, thank you.
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Tom McCallum51:58
Our next question is from Matthew Nekum with Deutsche Bank.
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Matthew Nekum52:03
Hey, thanks for taking the question. You talked a little bit about some more measured behavior from customers in terms of buying patterns. I'm just wondering, can you talk a little bit about the competitive backdrop? Whether you've seen peers maybe getting more aggressive, especially as larger enterprise customers really take their time to re-evaluate the future of work post-COVID? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg52:26
Eric, you want to talk about competitors?
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Eric Yuan52:28
Sure, sure. I think, Matt, you look at the trend: the future of work, hybrid work, for sure that will be the mainstream. And because of embracing hybrid work, a lot of employees and students work from home or maybe work in remote locations. Prior to the pandemic, quite often a good enough solution was sufficient. But now, to support hybrid work, the best breed of service will do very well. Otherwise, employees don't have IT support sitting next to them, and you really worry about productivity if you don't give them the best tools. That's why a good enough solution will not do well. Every business would like to deploy the best breed of service to give employees much better tools to improve their productivity, to help employees support a hybrid world. It's not that straightforward. I'll give an example: a conference solution. We introduced a somatic gallery feature. Otherwise, customers wouldn't dare to have a meeting where some are sitting in the conference room and some join remotely. That experience is not as good. That's why I think through the hybrid world, certainly Zoom will be there. Even if sometimes our competitors lower the price, the good news is customers really want a very reliable, flexible platform that is very easy to use. I think that's the reason why, and I think Zoom is positioned much better than any of our competitors.
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Matthew Nekum54:13
Thanks, Eric.
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Tom McCallum54:14
Thank you, Matt.
Our next question is from Bo Young Kim with Citi.
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Bo Young Kim54:19
Hi, I'm for Tyler Radke. Earlier in the Q&A, you shared some progress around the major master agent program and also cited some really large international phone deals. So I wanted to hear about what you're seeing in terms of the productivity of the channel partners in international markets relative to what you're seeing from channel partners in the US. And to what extent is that impacted by the nascent stage of the master agent program in international markets, as well as the nascent state of the broader market in cloud-based phones? Thanks.
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Kelly Steckelberg54:56
So I think we're seeing strength in our channel partners globally. But as you say, it's a much newer program and much smaller internationally. So we're excited to really focus on expanding outside of the US. It's a main focus for our channel team for the rest of the year. In terms of productivity, I don't think it really varies. We were really excited about the Telco sell deal, which is one of our largest channel partner deals to date. So that's really exciting, but we've had significant wins in the US as well. So not seeing dramatic differences in productivity on a global basis at this point.
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Tom McCallum55:42
Okay.
Our next question is going to be from Matt Stotler with William Blair.
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Matt Stotler55:49
Yeah, hey guys. Thank you for taking the question. I think just one from me. Obviously, as you guys have spoken to so far, the enterprise opportunity here is really what's exciting and compelling going forward. But given the commentary around finding other ways to monetize the base, whether that's consumer or otherwise, I would love to get an update or whatever color you can provide on the level of freemium usage that you're seeing today. Outside of the seasonality with education, just the level of free users on the platform, how that's changed over the past four or five quarters, thoughts on the back half there, and any commentary on what conversion you've seen there or you expect you could see if you decided to really try and monetize that?
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Kelly Steckelberg56:40
Yeah, go ahead.
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Eric Yuan56:42
Okay, you.
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Kelly Steckelberg56:44
So we still see free users as a large group. They've really grown over the last 18 months, and they're about 30% of our minutes usage today, compared to like 10% pre-pandemic. So that gives you an idea of the number of free users. We don't talk about the number of users, but that at least gives you a relative understanding of how they've grown over time. And as we always say, as Eric mentioned about our value of care, we really care about all those free users, especially to keep people connected during these more difficult times. And there's always a hope that they continue to convert or that they have the opportunity to communicate and introduce new users to the power of Zoom.
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Matt Stotler57:33
Got it, thank you.
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Tom McCallum57:36
Our next question is from Heim Siegel with LSR Advisors.
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Heim Siegel57:42
Hi, Kelly and Eric, how are you?
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Kelly Steckelberg57:44
Hi.
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Heim Siegel57:47
I had a couple of questions if you have time. Since the focus is on enterprise, I just wanted to know how fast the sales force is growing and when efficiency for that sales force starts to kick in. I guess that's one. And also just related to that, on operating expenses, I'm not sure how long you expect flatter sequential growth, but on the operating expense side, it seems like maybe it'll start to grow faster than revenues. And I'm just wondering, with relation to focusing on getting the enterprise business going, how fast expenses will grow versus revenues?
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Kelly Steckelberg58:32
Yeah, so as we've been saying for the last several quarters, there are areas that we were not able to hire and invest in as quickly as revenue grew last year. So what we've been doing over the last couple of quarters is focusing on re-accelerating the investment, especially in the areas of R&D as well as for the quota-carrying heads. And we are absolutely continuing to do that. We are still under-invested in R&D at a little over 5% of revenue, and the long-term target is 8-10%, so we're continuing to hire as quickly as we can. And then similarly, in terms of quota-carrying heads, we're being very thoughtful about the segments and the regions in which we're hiring. But remember, stepping back for a minute, there is a huge TAM and a huge opportunity out there, and we want to continue to add quota-carrying heads and sales capacity into our system to take advantage of that. So as long as we continue to see opportunity for growth, we will continue investing in quota-carrying heads. We are also, as I mentioned earlier, accelerating our spend in marketing. We were able to pull back a little bit on that last year, but we think now is the right time to continue reinvesting there. And then the two areas that we always look to be as efficient as we can are our DNA and COGS. DNA is kind of right in the range of where we would want it to be for the long term. Over time, we do expect COGS to decrease as we continue to move more and more of our services out of the public cloud into our own data centers. We're always going to have a hybrid approach there, but also eventually, when K-12 schools are more free to go back to campuses, we do expect to see improvement in our gross margins. But we will absolutely continue to support those students and schools as long as we think it's needed.
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Heim Siegel1:00:34
Is there a general timing of efficiency? Will you expect that to kick in for the enterprise sales people? I know you've been growing it and I know it takes time. I'm just wondering if there's a timing where a big chunk is going to start really performing for you?
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Kelly Steckelberg1:00:51
No, I mean, what I would say is we are continuing to hire quota-carrying heads quickly and will continue to do so. That means there's a constant state of having ramping reps in the system. And since we have no plans to stop hiring quota-carrying heads in the near future, I can't say when all of a sudden they're going to necessarily be more efficient.
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Heim Siegel1:01:13
Thank you very much.
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Tom McCallum1:01:18
My next question is from Rishi Julia with RBC.
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Rishi Julia1:01:22
All right, hey, Eric, Kelly, Tom, thanks so much for taking my questions. Good to see you all. I wanted to just ask about Zoom Events. I know initially when you talked about the product, it was kind of pitched as a monetization vector for the consumer segment, helping fitness instructors, yoga instructors run classes online. But clearly, it seems like there's much grander ambitions. The fact that you're going to run Zoomtopia on that tells us there's maybe a bigger enterprise opportunity. Even as companies are looking at doing in-person conferences again, they want to have a strong virtual and hybrid component to it. So can you maybe talk a little bit about what you see as the longer-term position with Zoom Events, especially in the enterprise?
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Eric Yuan1:02:08
Yeah, Rishi, that's a great question. So remember last year, last October at Zoomtopia, we introduced Zoom Events. We started from on Zoom at that time, and we thought about how to have those people working from home still get training, like fitness online classes, join all those classes. That's the reason why we started building Zoom Events. But again, we always listen to our customers, in particular our enterprise customers. And they all told us, 'Hey, there's even more opportunities around corporate events.' The corporate events like Zoomtopia, they told us, 'We badly need that. We already have a webinar platform, but we need you to extend that into even bigger conferences like Zoomtopia.' That's why we sort of pivoted and doubled down on the corporate world, which is rebranded as Zoom Events. We do see a huge opportunity. Inside of that, the consumer world is not a part of Zoom Events anymore. This is more like a Zoom website. We still aggregate all those consumer-driven events, like online fitness classes and so on. But for now, if you look at the short-term opportunities, Zoom Events will do well because many of our existing customers tell us they need a platform like that. The trust is already built. They don't want to go to any other platform. They are very patient with us. That's the reason why we shifted our strategy a little bit since last Zoomtopia.
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Rishi Julia1:03:49
All right, wonderful. Thank you.
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Tom McCallum1:03:53
Okay, well, thank you to all of our analysts. That's all the time for questions that we have for today. And that's all, Tom, taking you back.
Great, thank you everybody. And we hope to speak to you more in the rest of the quarter and see you at Zoomtopia. Anything else, Eric?
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Eric Yuan1:04:11
Yeah, thank you all for your time today. Hope you all will join us next month at Zoomtopia, September 13th and 14th. I really appreciate your great support as always. Thank you.