I will stipulate this to you though. Okay, I want you to hold me to this, okay?
Yeah. Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance will never be president. Okay, and you watch what happens to them because they're going to go into the... Remember the movie Fargo? They're going to go into the Trump wood chipper before this is over, okay?
And if you think they're going to be president, pick up the phone and call Mike Pence and ask him how his career is going post-Trump. Trump is a Shakespearean elderly, tragic figure and he will melee those two guys.
No, there's no... I don't disagree. I don't. So, I don't know. They made those bets. Both Vance and Rubio made the bet to be with him rather than oppose them.
Political expediency. And they both opposed him at first, which is interesting.
You know, I opposed him and then I decided to go work for him and then I tried to praise him. And by the way, you know, praising him doesn't work. Ask Marjorie Taylor Greene. Everything ends with Trump like Marjorie Taylor Greene, okay? He ended up having to leave the...
Say this, every relationship ends badly with him.
No, no question. And everybody dislikes him. If you're in his inner circle...
You don't like the person, okay? You'll pretend for the camera, you'll pretend your staff like him, but you're telling your wife this guy blows.
And there's a cycle. I've always said there's a shelf life of being in the Trump inner circle. In his business life, it was about 6 years. People just after about year six was gone. Michael Cohen lasted about six or seven years. Like it's about six or seven years.
And there's a reason why there's an entirely new team around him for the second term.
That's the most fascinating thing about him though, despite burning people, there's always a willing participant to get on the Trump merry-go-round. You know, it starts out with the MAGA hat and it ends with a knife plunge in your back as you're going around the carousel. And you know, he's that's him, you know, and that but you know, listen, his time is ending and I predict there will be an intellectual civil war in the Republican Party and it's not clear to me that traditional Republicanism is completely dead even though they all claim it is down deep they don't feel that they can do the things that Trump does with Putin. But we may go in a direction that will look familiar but it'll be different. Exactly but I don't think it's going to be pure Maga as defined by Donald Trump. It'll be something different.
You strike me as being way too knowledgeable about what's going on in politics not to dabble again. You think you'll dabble again?
Well, I would never run for office because if you run for office then you got to become a liar, okay? And I by the way, I'm...
As you know, I'm a liar. You're actually incapable of... I've known you a long time. You're incapable of lying. Trust my wife, I'm very capable of lying but we have to remember some. I happen to also be running for re-election in my marriage. I mean I don't know if you remember my marital problems when I was working for Trump but but you know, we're happily married. Thank God. I'd like to stay happily married. But if you said to me as I get a little older if there's a candidate who's won an office and they asked me for help I'd be willing to do that. Sure. I'm open-minded to that.
I don't see myself running for office.
Give me two Republicans or two Democrats and two Democrats that you think you could support in 2028.
Well, I think Newsom... I don't know if I have two Democrats because I am a Republican but I like Newsom. I like what Newsom is doing. I've spent a lot of time with Gavin. I did his podcast. I respect him and I think he's done a better job than he's been marketed as in California.
And so I think the California brand politically is a hard brand for him to get out from under.
There's no question the Republicans have done a massive job of slaying California and he didn't rebut it. It's the...
Look, I'm a skeptic that a San Francisco Democrat can carry the state of Michigan.
He's the fourth largest economy in the world, okay? And so he may not be able to do that. But, I think he is probably if I were them, he would be the type of person I would want in the mix.
Uh maybe it'll be a younger guy. Maybe there's an Obama out there or a Bill Clinton out there that I don't see. I'm not a Democrat.
On the Republican side, I think it's very, very tough because these guys have become slaves to Donald Trump. They all hate him.
Don't you think it's going to... If Democrats sweep in '26, do you start to see a lot more Republicans break from Trump?
Do you start to see a lot more Republicans break from Trump?
They're already starting to break from Donald Trump.
Yeah, we're in the coda, yeah.
He knows that. That's why he's acting crazier and crazier. Trust me, he's going to go out like a Roman candle. He's not going to go out quietly. Wait till after the midterms.
One of my favorite movie lines, everything ends badly or else it wouldn't end.
