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George Kurian
Chief Executive Officer & Director, NetApp Inc

NetApp Inc ($NTAP) Q4 2026 Earnings Call

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About George Kurian

On NetApp's Q4 fiscal year 2026 earnings call on May 28, 2026, Kurian stated that the company had achieved record results for the fiscal year across revenue, gross profit, operating income, and free cash flow, attributing the performance to "strong customer demand" and the company's ability to "capitalize on the accelerating adoption of enterprise AI and cloud." He reported that NetApp had approximately 500 AI and data preparation wins in the fourth quarter alone, bringing the fiscal year total to over 1,100. Kurian described the primary challenge for enterprise AI adoption as "not compute but activating large volumes of unstructured data," and said that NetApp's ability to "activate it securely and efficiently across hybrid and multicloud environments" gives the company a "powerful competitive advantage." He also noted that the company was "managing rising memory and component costs" by working with supply chain partners and adjusting pricing. Throughout the prior fiscal year, Kurian had emphasized NetApp's focus on AI, all-flash storage, and public cloud services as growth drivers. On the Q3 fiscal 2026 call in February 2026, he stated that approximately 300 customers selected NetApp to help prepare their data for AI. He also noted that the company had raised pricing and would do so again as needed, and that unlike "all flash only competitors," NetApp's broad portfolio, including hybrid flash arrays, allowed it to "better service price-sensitive workloads." On the Q4 fiscal 2025 call in May 2025, Kurian said NetApp had reached "an inflection point" where growth in all-flash systems and public cloud services, reinforced by the AI market, would drive sustained topline growth, noting that those areas had grown from less than half of total revenue five years prior to over two-thirds at that time.

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Operator0:00
After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Newton, vice president, investor relations. Please go ahead.
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Chris Newton0:17
Hi everyone. Thanks for joining our Q4 and fiscal year 2026 earnings call. With me today are CEO George Kurian and CFO Wam Jabre. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our website at netapp.com. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements and projections with respect to our financial outlook and future prospects, including without limitation our guidance for the first quarter and fiscal year 2027, our expectations regarding future revenue, profitability, and shareholder returns, and other growth initiatives and strategies. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties which may cause our actual results to differ materially. For more information, please refer to the documents we file from time to time with the SEC and on our website, including our most recent form 10K and form 10Q. We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements and projections. During the call, all financial measures presented will be non-GAAP unless otherwise indicated. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP measures are available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to George.
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George Kurian1:29
Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us. FY26 was a landmark year for NetApp with record results across revenue, gross profit, operating income, cash flow from operations, and free cash flow supported by strong customer demand in the fourth quarter. Our performance demonstrates our ability to capitalize on the accelerating adoption of enterprise AI and cloud with our differentiated hybrid cloud intelligent data infrastructure platform trusted by the world's leading enterprises and cloud providers. NetApp is increasingly at the center of our customers' data-driven AI transformations. Achieving our full-year target of a 30% operating margin underscores our commitment to profitable growth and ongoing innovation. NetApp stands at the forefront of a transformative era driven by rapid AI adoption and explosive cloud growth. Enterprises are reimagining how they operate and compete. And only NetApp delivers truly hybrid intelligent data infrastructure on premises and in the cloud, all-flash and hybrid flash to seamlessly protect, secure, govern, and activate the entire data estate for AI. Our 30 years of innovation and leadership in hybrid multicloud environments are more relevant than ever as our vision of a hybrid world is realized. As enterprise AI adoption scales, the primary challenge is not compute but activating large volumes of unstructured data. A significant share of the world's enterprise unstructured data resides on NetApp solutions and our ability to activate it securely and efficiently across hybrid and multicloud environments gives us a powerful competitive advantage. As the only true hybrid cloud platform, unifying data governance across on-premises and cloud environments, we enable zero-copy data activation, eliminating the cost and risk of moving data and transforming fragmented infrastructure into a secure launchpad for real-time AI and automation. Our value proposition is resonating strongly with customers and the industry. Our storage services on AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud empower customers to protect, mobilize, and govern their data with unmatched flexibility and consistency regardless of location. This capability is increasingly critical as customers launch and scale their AI initiatives. By integrating our data infrastructure platform with the AI and analytics offerings of leading cloud providers, customers can activate their data for AI workloads in place where it is created without costly or time-consuming migration or duplication, making NetApp the secure zero-copy foundation enterprises need to move from fragmented infrastructure to real-time AI at scale. We fueled nearly 50 partner AI factories and labs as they build out their real-world test beds to accelerate AI deployment. A recent example of this is at Worldwide Technologies' live AI proving ground where NetApp AFX all-flash storage is featured, allowing customers to test architectures, validate performance, and quickly move from experimentation to deployment. This collaboration highlights the large opportunity ahead as enterprises look for trusted partners to operationalize AI confidently. We see growing opportunity and success with Neo and sovereign cloud providers who recognize the strength of our differentiated solutions and our joint go-to-market initiatives with leading hyperscalers. These partnerships reinforce our position as a trusted collaborator in the evolving cloud ecosystem. A leading Neocloud turned to NetApp for intelligent all-flash storage infrastructure, eliminating complexity and powering orchestration at cloud scale. The new deployments will help accelerate AI onboarding and time to value. With this win, we can begin to expand into other workloads to become the foundational data layer. Another significant achievement is our expanded partnership with Google Cloud for Google Distributed Cloud, which underscores both the growing opportunity in AI and sovereign cloud environments and the strength of our technology. This collaboration enables government agencies and regulated enterprises to leverage advanced AI capabilities from Google and NetApp's secure-by-design data infrastructure platform to modernize operations and accelerate AI-driven insights even in the most sensitive environments. We achieved record revenue in Q4 and FY26 driven by public cloud, all-flash, and Keystone, which all reached all-time highs, reflecting strong demand from customers modernizing infrastructure and scaling AI workloads. Public cloud revenue grew to $688 million in FY26, up 18% year-over-year, normalized for the divestiture of the Spot by NetApp business in March 2025. This growth was driven by first-party and marketplace cloud services which increased 30% in FY26. We are seeing growing demand from both new and existing customers to extend NetApp's capabilities deeper into their cloud environments. Customers are increasingly choosing NetApp to simplify and scale their hybrid and multicloud environments, leveraging our unified data management capabilities for operational consistency and agility. Our expanding cloud portfolio is unlocking new use cases and verticals including AI, fueling growth and expanding our addressable market. For example, a leading insurance company accelerated financial risk modeling and data science by connecting Azure Databricks directly to their data in Azure NetApp Files, ensuring security, governance, and performance. Similarly, an Asian engineering company streamlined its GenAI chatbot deployment on AWS by leveraging FSx for NetApp ONTAP, allowing secure, permission-aware access to data in place and reducing operational overhead. Across these wins, the common thread is NetApp's ability to deliver secure, governed, high-performance data access for AI workloads, enabling customers to innovate faster and operate more efficiently, all while maintaining control and compliance. FY26 all-flash revenue was $4.2 billion, an increase of 11% from last year, propelled by robust Q4 performance with revenue of $1.2 billion, up 18% year-over-year. Customers are choosing NetApp to power their most mission-critical workloads and our momentum in this segment is a testament to the strength of our innovation and go-to-market execution. A prime example of this is a European aerospace company that chose NetApp, displacing competitors in a greenfield win. The data management capabilities of NetApp all-flash arrays stood out for their high performance, cyber resilience, and ransomware protection as well as seamless integration with a broad ecosystem of partners. Our comprehensive solution delivered the security, simplicity, and strategic value needed to support critical initiatives. Revenue from our Keystone storage-as-a-service offering grew approximately 65% from FY25 as more customers embrace the flexibility and simplicity of a cloud-like experience for their on-premises data. This momentum reflects the broader shift towards consumption-based IT models and our ability to meet customers wherever they are on their transformation journeys. A leading manufacturer chose NetApp Keystone with all-flash and StorageGRID to support its AI strategy, requiring a secure, flexible platform for massive data sets. Keystone delivers secure, governed self-service at scale, enabling rapid collaboration and predictable on-demand performance. Our unified platform streamlines data management with multi-protocol support, native S3 tiering, and cloud integration for maximum efficiency. AI was a clear growth engine for us. In FY26, we had approximately 500 AI and data preparation wins in Q4 alone, bringing the FY26 total to over 1,100. Our ability to help customers operationalize AI at scale, accelerate time to insight, and drive real business outcomes is putting us increasingly at the center of our customers' AI journeys. In FY26, we furthered our AI innovation, launching next-generation solutions, including AFX and AI Data Engine, which are seeing strong early momentum and positive feedback from customers and partners. Additionally, we announced enhancements to the performance and capabilities of our all-flash arrays and expanded our converged AI solutions. These offerings help organizations simplify their AI infrastructure, eliminate silos, and accelerate their data pipelines, reinforcing NetApp's role as the data infrastructure platform for AI. Let me walk through a couple of additional customer wins that spotlight NetApp's competitive advantages. A European government agency required real-time situational awareness with ultra-fast, latency-free data processing. NetApp's disaggregated AFX solution for their NVIDIA SuperPod environment enabled independent scaling of compute and storage, delivering flexible, future-proof infrastructure. Our rapid execution and expertise empowered a robust, mission-critical AI platform to meet evolving operational demands. A global financial leader signed a $20 million deal with NetApp to accelerate its AI-driven fraud detection and customer personalization. NetApp's GPU-ready, low-latency data lake platform delivers high-performance access to multi-ebibyte data sets, enabling global real-time fraud scoring, continuous model retraining, and robust enterprise governance and resiliency. It's high-impact wins like these that helped us achieve record-setting results while navigating a dynamic macro environment. We're managing rising memory and component costs by working closely with our supply chain partners and adjusting pricing to balance growth and margins. Data generation continues unabated and customers need solutions that best optimize performance and cost. Our ability to offer a broad range of solutions with flexible purchasing options including cloud, Keystone, and hybrid flash strengthens our competitive position, resilience, and flexibility. FY26 also set a new bar for cash generation. Our strong free cash flow enables us to invest in innovation while returning value to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. We remain committed to disciplined capital allocation and long-term value creation. I want to thank the entire NetApp team for their customer-centric focus and hard work in FY26. It was a year of strong execution, innovation, and accelerating growth. Clear proof that our strategy is working, and our portfolio is resonating in the market. The investments we made this year have expanded our opportunities and set a solid foundation for future growth. Looking ahead, we are encouraged by the robust demand signals we're seeing and are confident in our ability to maintain this momentum as reflected in our fiscal year 27 outlook. Our hybrid multicloud leadership, differentiated AI offerings, and flexible storage and consumption offerings position NetApp for continued success as customers accelerate their data-driven AI transformations. With that, I'll turn the call over to Wam.
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Wam Jabre16:39
Thanks, George, and good afternoon, everyone. In the fiscal fourth quarter, we delivered strong results exceeding the high end of both the revenue and EPS guidance ranges. Revenue for the quarter was $1.95 billion, up 12% year-over-year, and 14% sequentially. Non-GAAP earnings per share was $2.43, up 26% year-over-year. Excluding the divested Spot business, which generated $9 million of revenue in the fourth quarter of the prior year, revenue grew 13% year-over-year. Revenue was up 10% year-over-year, excluding the effect of foreign currency exchange rates, which had little impact relative to guidance. This marks our 10th consecutive quarter of year-over-year revenue growth. Looking at revenue by segment, hybrid cloud revenue of $1.77 billion was up 13% year-over-year. Product revenue of $966 million was up 14% year-over-year, driven by the execution of a multi-year agreement with Google Cloud to deliver secure AI-ready data infrastructure to Google Distributed Cloud environments. In prior quarters, we mentioned the potential for large deals to materialize in the second half of fiscal year 2026, and this came to fruition in Q4. Support revenue of $688 million was up 10% year-over-year, partly driven by a one-time item. Professional services revenue of $112 million was up 14% year-over-year, mainly driven by growth in Keystone, our storage-as-a-service offering, which continues to build momentum. Q4 public cloud revenue of $182 million was up 11% year-over-year. Excluding Spot, public cloud revenue grew 18% year-over-year, driven by strong demand for first-party and marketplace storage services. We exited fiscal year 2026 with $4.85 billion in deferred revenue, an increase of 7% year-over-year, and 6% year-over-year in constant currency. Remaining performance obligations were $5.65 billion, up 14% year-over-year. Unbilled remaining performance obligations, a key indicator of future Keystone storage-as-a-service revenue growth, were $87 million, up 88% year-over-year. This outperformance was driven by an increase in support performance obligations associated with the Google agreement as well as Keystone unbilled RPO which grew at a similar rate to the prior quarters on a year-over-year basis. Moving to the rest of the income statement, please note my comments will be related to non-GAAP results unless stated otherwise. Q4 gross margin was 70.5%, up 100 basis points year-over-year, driven by public cloud gross margin expansion. Gross profit was $1.37 billion, up 14% compared to Q4 2025. Hybrid cloud gross margin was 69%, down 60 basis points sequentially due to higher product revenue in the quarter. Product gross margin was 56.1%, up 80 basis points sequentially due to the benefit from the Google Cloud Enterprise agreement offsetting higher component costs. Our recurring support business continues to be highly profitable with gross margin of 93%. Professional services gross margin was 32.1%, improving 80 basis points sequentially. Public cloud gross margin was 85.7%, up 60 basis points sequentially and over six percentage points year-over-year. The public cloud business has operated within the 80 to 85% long-term target range in the first half of the fiscal year and above the high end of the range in the last two quarters. Operating expenses of $750 million were up 6% year-over-year and 9% sequentially. Operating income was $624 million, up 26% compared to Q4 2025, and operating margin was 32%, up 340 basis points year-over-year. Both all-time records driven by higher revenue. Earnings per share was $2.43, up 26% year-over-year and exceeding the high end of the guidance range. Our results demonstrate strong execution on key revenue growth opportunities in all-flash, public cloud, and AI along with a continued focus on operational discipline resulting in record highs for quarterly operating income and EPS. In Q4, cash flow from operations was $950 million and free cash flow was $900 million. Both up over 40% year-over-year and all-time records. These strong cash flow metrics were driven by increased collections from higher billings. During the fourth quarter, we returned $33 million of capital to our shareholders with $200 million in share repurchases and $13 million paid in dividends of 52 cents per share. Q4 diluted share count of 199 million decreased by 7 million shares or 3% year-over-year. At the end of fiscal year 2026, there was approximately $500 million remaining from our current share repurchase authorization, and today we are announcing an increase in that authorization by $1 billion. Moving to a review of our results for the full fiscal year 2026. Revenue of $6.93 billion was up 5% year-over-year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range. Excluding the divested Spot business, revenue was up 7% year-over-year and in line with our long-term target model. Our strict focus on operating leverage allowed us to drive bottom-line profitability at a faster pace. All contributing to record highs in operating margin, EPS, and cash flow. Gross margin was 71.3%, up 20 basis points year-over-year, driven by public cloud and professional services gross margin expansion and partially offset by lower product gross margin. Operating margin was 30.2%, up 190 basis points year-over-year driven by 1% year-over-year growth in operating expenses relative to 5% year-over-year revenue growth. Full year EPS was $8.13, up 12% year-over-year, more than double the rate of revenue growth. Operating cash flow was $2.07 billion and free cash flow generation was $1.87 billion, up close to 40% year-over-year, primarily due to stronger cash collections and working capital benefits. Our balance sheet remains very healthy as we returned a total of $1.36 billion in value to our shareholders through share repurchases and cash dividends, all as we continue to invest in the next generation of AI data solutions. We closed the year with $3.58 billion in cash and short-term investments and $2.49 billion in gross debt outstanding, resulting in a net cash position of $1.1 billion. Inventories expanded both year-over-year and quarter over quarter. Inventory turns decreased sequentially to 12. Now turning to non-GAAP guidance starting with fiscal year 2027. Let me begin by underscoring the confidence in our strategy and in the strength of our position as we address key customer priorities. Our guidance reflects a solid underlying enterprise IT demand environment with enterprise AI activity increasing relative to fiscal year 2026. At the same time, we recognize the potential for pockets of demand driven by accelerated purchasing. We also remain focused on adjusting prices as needed to track any material movements in memory and component costs while maintaining a disciplined balance between growth and margin. On that basis, we expect fiscal year 2027 revenue to be in the range of $7.325 to $7.575 billion. At the $7.45 billion midpoint, this implies 8% year-over-year growth, representing an acceleration from the 5% growth we successfully delivered in fiscal year 2026. We expect gross margin to be in the range of 68.5% to 69.5%. We expect operating margin to be in the range of 29.1% to 30.1%. For the full year, we expect the effective tax rate to be in the range of 20% to 21%. We expect EPS to be in the range of $8.70 to $9.00. At the $8.85 midpoint, this represents 9% year-over-year growth. In fiscal year 2027, we intend to return up to 100% of free cash flow to shareholders through cash dividends and share repurchases. We also expect to reduce share count by low single-digit percentage points year-over-year. Now turning to Q1 guidance. As a reminder, Q1 includes an extra week which is expected to contribute approximately $65 million of revenue primarily in support and cloud with a minimal impact on product and to add $21 million of operating expenses. We expect revenue to be in the range of $1.75 billion to $1.9 billion. At the $1.825 billion midpoint, this implies 17% year-over-year growth. We expect gross margin to be in the range of 69.1% to 70.1%. And operating margin to be in the range of 28.4% to 29.4%. We expect EPS to be in the range of $2.15 and $2.05 with a midpoint of $2.10. In closing, as we look ahead to fiscal year 2027, we are confident in our strategy and execution capabilities, we remain focused on delivering revenue growth and profitability, increasing free cash flow, and creating sustainable long-term value for shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris for Q&A.
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Chris Newton28:13
Thanks, Wam. Operator, let's begin the Q&A.
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Operator28:17
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. And if you'd like to withdraw your question, again, press star one. We also ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. For any additional questions, please re-queue. And your first question comes from David Vogt with UBS. Please go ahead.
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David Vogt28:45
Great. Thanks, guys, for taking my question. Maybe George for you. Can you touch on the demand strength again? I appreciate all the color you provided in the call but all-flash was exceptionally strong in the quarter and we're going to get a lot of questions on the cadence of that demand. How was it from a linearity perspective? Did the price changes in the industry have an impact on demand? Anything that you can provide from a color perspective or granularity would be helpful in how we think about the demand drivers particularly as we move into subsequent quarters for the full year. That would be helpful as well. Thanks. And then I have a follow-up.
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George Kurian29:19
Thank you for your question. Momentum in the business was very, very strong. IT spending is forecasted to be up strongly driven by enterprises readying for AI and we are seeing that across all segments of our business: cloud, flash, AI, and Keystone. And it shows the differentiation in our offerings as well as solid execution by our customer-facing teams. We have seen some accelerated decision making but we also know that most customers do not have the flexibility to do so. On the face of the Q4 P&L, the impact of pull forward or accelerated decision making was minimal. Our Q4 results were tied to the big deals we told you to expect when we guided the fiscal year. And we see a really strong outlook for this coming year powered by our confidence in our position and what we see as growing evidence that enterprise AI is happening in front of our eyes.
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David Vogt30:34
Great. And maybe one for Wam on product gross margin. Obviously, it's a very challenging component backdrop with DRAM, NAND, and other issues. If I just kind of take your public cloud business and I kind of strip out support as well, it kind of looks like product gross margin could be near a trough in the July quarter and kind of stay relatively stable from a product perspective as we move through the year. Is that kind of what you're suggesting based on the outlook for the year?
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Wam Jabre31:05
Yeah, thanks David. I think you got it right. For us, the July quarter is more or less the trough and from there on we're anticipating gradual improvements. We've been taking a lot of actions in terms of price adjustments as we see component cost increase. And so those price adjustments will start seeing more and more effect as the year progresses. And so that's really the dynamic driving the product gross margin.
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David Vogt31:39
Great. Thanks guys.
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Operator31:42
Your next question comes from the line of Amit Daryanani with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
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Amit Daryanani31:50
Yep. Thanks for taking my question. I guess maybe I just ask on the all-flash array side. Revenue obviously accelerated pretty well at 18% growth. George, I heard you on the limited pull-forward dynamic, but I was wondering a way to think about if ASP was a bit of a tailwind versus unit growth. And then how do you think of AFA growth broadly into fiscal 27? Maybe I'll ask you my follow-up as well which is we are starting to see a fairly strong growth I think from the traditional server side driven by enterprises starting to get more and more AI ready. How should investors think about the attach rate and opportunity between AI compute deployments that are happening at a big rate right now and that attach rate to the high performance storage that you folks sell? Thank you very much.
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George Kurian32:37
Thank you for your question. Our AI business performed really strongly in the quarter. We noted about 500 AI wins in the quarter, 1,100 for the full year. Those compared to roughly 400 for the whole of the prior fiscal year. So you are seeing strong uptick in enterprise AI. In enterprise AI configuration, all elements of our flash portfolio performed strongly: high performance flash, capacity flash, and block storage. And so we see customers deploying these high performance compute and storage environments to make sure that the GPUs are fully used. They're expensive GPUs, they need to be fed with a lot of data. What we also saw was that in the non-demanding AI environments, customers are starting to buy more of hybrid flash which we are uniquely positioned to deliver under a single operating system. So both all-flash and hybrid flash grew, and all-flash grew particularly in the AI use cases.
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Operator34:04
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
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Eric Woodring34:11
Hey guys, thank you. Thank you for taking my questions. George, you called out the 500 AI wins in 4Q. Is there a way that you could help us think about how much of your fiscal 27 revenue guide is driven by some of these secured and anticipated AI wins? And just curious on those AI wins if there's a way that you can kind of parse out what is part of kind of public cloud versus kind of what is on-prem solutions. And then a quick follow-up please. Thank you.
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George Kurian34:43
All of the 500 AI wins are on-prem wins. And they combine a mix of enterprise as well as neo cloud. I think if you look at the mix of the use cases they are roughly the same pattern as we saw before. Half of them are really tied to data preparation, large-scale analytic environments that are now being
The remainder are roughly half and half between training and fine-tuning large language models and inferencing. So it's roughly 50-25-25 roughly speaking. That pattern has stayed pretty similar through all of the year. In terms of how we see that play into our business next year in fiscal year 27, this is what gives us confidence to show an acceleration in our business. We think that the strength is broad-based across segments, verticals, and geographies. We think that we are very well positioned because of our installed base of data, hybrid cloud data infrastructure pipelines that make it much easier for customers to use AI, and the fact that we can offer customers life cycle cost management from super high performance flash to exceptionally cost-effective disk-based environments. So we're optimistic. We see the demand. We see the momentum in our business. And we are investing some additional sales resources just like we did last year to support our outlook.
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Eric Woodring36:34
Okay. Amazing. Thank you for that call, George. Just a quick follow-up for you. Some of your peers are kind of messaging expanding storage gross margins this year. As we think about your gross margin guide, is there a degree of prudence or conservatism that you're trying to embed there, given we're in unprecedented pricing territory? Or is there enough component cost pressure that regardless it would be challenging to expand margins? Love to know the conservatism you're thinking about as you think about your gross margin guide for the full year.
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George Kurian37:12
Thanks Eric. The guide is based on the information we have at this time. We look at how the business would develop through the next few quarters based on what we know from a component cost perspective. If component costs vary moving forward, we'll continue to take action to mitigate the impact to margins and we will do whatever we can to improve from that. This is really the comment around product gross margin. I do have to remind that we're not really moving from our long-term target for product gross margin, which is still in the mid-50s to high 50%. So that's still our long-term target and we will strive to get there in the future. What we also are looking at is the total gross margin for the company. The public cloud business has seen some really nice uptick in fiscal 26, and as that business grows, it does give us a tailwind to the margin line. The same thing for the Keystone business that continues to grow at a nice pace and build momentum, and that has a little bit of a tailwind as well. The last few comments on margin: we also are targeting gross profit because that's what drives our earnings power, so we look at gross profit growth year-over-year as something we continue to improve.
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Operator39:05
Your next question comes from the line of Wamzi Mohen with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
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Wam Jabre39:12
Yes, thank you. George, can you talk about how you're seeing your large deal pipeline evolve? You obviously saw strength in the quarter that you had messaged previously, but is that strength something we should expect will sustain and what's baked into guidance? I have a follow-up.
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George Kurian39:34
I think what we saw in the large deal pipeline were some related to infrastructure modernization, which could be people bringing forward spending, but a very large part of the pipeline were related to AI wins. Those were projects that we had worked on and some that we saw accelerate as business needs came on. What I feel really good about is that especially in our AI business, the number of customers we are able to win in accounts that are not traditionally NetApp large installed base accounts have been super strong. That gives me confidence that we are winning on customers' business priorities which are durable even in the face of commodity price variations.
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Wam Jabre40:37
Thanks George. On the pull forward, sounds like you really didn't see much evidence of pull forward and large deals drove the upside in the quarter. But as we talk to resellers, it seems like a lot of the annual budget is being spent in the first half of the calendar year. We're hearing about a scramble for securing supply from customers. So, just curious, why would you not have seen that customer behavior of trying to accelerate purchases in the first half ahead of price increases? And maybe some sense of how you're thinking about the cadence of price increases from here. You've already instituted some, but how are you thinking about the cadence of price increases going forward?
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George Kurian41:27
Thanks for your question, Wamzi. What I said was that on the face of the Q4 P&L, the impact of pull forward demand was minimal. Our Q4 results from a revenue standpoint were tied to big deals that we told you about when we guided the fiscal year. We are seeing some accelerated decision making, and we also know that many customers don't have the flexibility to do so. Our goal is to make sure that we can meet customer demand, balance cost and availability of supply, and maintain lead times within customers' normal expectations. We feel really good about the momentum in our business and we'll tell you more through the course of the year. What I feel confident about is that we have factored to the best of our knowledge the risks of pull-ins and the dynamics it creates through the fiscal year, and we'll tell you more as part of our go forward plan.
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Operator42:44
Your next question comes from the line of Tim Long with Barclays. Please go ahead.
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Tim Long42:51
Thank you. A follow-up if I could first. Maybe just talking about the public cloud revenues. I think you've talked about 18% growth spot and 30% on the first party storage. As we head into next year with no spot, just curious how you're thinking about sustainability of the growth rate there. Does the Google deal in the quarter impact that at all? And then on the follow-up, on Keystone, sounds like really good growth again. Do you think this is simply just finding other ways to deal with higher NAND pricing, or is this more durable than just a pricing or payment mechanism? Love to get your views on both.
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George Kurian43:47
On public cloud, we continue to see super strong demand for our cloud storage services both first party and marketplace. They grew 30% year-over-year and given their growth rate relative to the rest of the cloud portfolio, they are the predominant part of the cloud business overall. We see continued momentum in that part of our business which should cause cloud to grow faster next year than it did the prior year at really strong gross margins. Super excited about the cloud. We did a lot of innovations through the course of the year. As I said in my comments, we are starting to see some of the AI use cases also show up in the cloud and customers starting to use our tools in the cloud for AI use cases. With regard to Keystone, we see a broad-based shift in the market towards consumption-based offerings like Keystone. Some of that is driven by customers having used public cloud and now getting confident about how to operate their own environments like the public cloud. There was possibly some customers who bought Keystone because they felt it would be a more optimal way to balance cost and use in a time of inflationary cost. But in general, a storage as a service business should grow faster than our traditional business. Tim, just to clarify, I think part of your question on public cloud included the Google agreement. I want to clarify that the agreement is more in the hybrid cloud segment, so it's independent of the comments on public cloud. It helps our hybrid cloud business, which helped us in Q4 and will help us going forward on support revenue as well.
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Tim Long45:54
Okay, thank you.
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George Kurian45:57
You're welcome.
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Operator45:57
Your next question comes from the line of Sic Chattery with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
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David Vogt46:05
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. George, maybe just to go back to your response to Wamzi's question about seeing some accelerated decisions from customers although some cannot change those decisions right now, and you also have this impact of one extra week in Q1. Typically you ended up with 48% of your revenue in the first half of the year. Do you expect the year to look very different from prior years because of the dynamics going on right now?
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George Kurian46:38
We think we have broad-based durable demand in our business driven by customers prioritizing data infrastructure for AI. You saw that in our Q4 print, which did not benefit from any pull forwards. We see the same roughly speaking demand pattern at the start of the new fiscal year, so the first half and second half roughly in the same percentages, adjusting for the extra week in the first quarter. It's early in the year, we feel really good about the momentum in our business. We acknowledge that there are probably some amounts of pull forwards, but the demand is broad-based and we'll provide updates as we go through the year.
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David Vogt47:37
Got it. And then maybe just help me think through the Google agreement with the hybrid cloud business. What opportunity does that create for you? Is it in specific customer verticals? Trying to frame the size of that opportunity.
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George Kurian48:02
Google Distributed Cloud is where Google brings its advanced technology stack to a disconnected or lightly connected data center. It could be for regulated industries, public sector environments, or national security environments. NetApp was chosen by Google to be a large chunk of the data infrastructure within the Google Distributed Cloud architecture. There are two benefits to NetApp: it allows us to broaden our reach into sovereign and secure environments that are incrementally expanding for NetApp, and it allows us to build really secure differentiated hybrid infrastructures across on premises and public cloud and secure clouds for these clients. This is the expansion of the Google Distributed Cloud deal that we had worked on since 2024. We have expanded our franchise with them quite substantially with this relationship.
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David Vogt49:30
Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions.
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George Kurian49:33
Thanks.
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Operator49:33
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.
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Steven Fox49:40
Hi, good afternoon. I had a couple of questions I think are related. One is trying to understand in the full year margin guidance at the corporate level, how we think about the mix effect of higher NAND prices. There could be puts and takes looking at product versus public cloud or Keystone. And related to that, can you give us a sense on how much revenue growth in the quarter and going forward is related to just higher ASPs and passing through higher NAND prices?
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George Kurian50:18
The quick answer is NAND prices would manifest in the product gross margin, that's where the main impact is. The rest of the margin line shouldn't be as affected, there's a bit in Keystone but it's recognized over time. On the second part, we talked about raising prices to offset component cost inflation. Our goal is to protect the profitability of our business and we will continue to do so if needed. Beyond those qualitative comments, I'd rather not quantify it because it's too early in the year. Let's wait till we see how Q1 develops.
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Chris Newton51:15
Just to add, historically customers budget in dollars and there has been little elasticity of demand just because of price increases. Of course as mentioned, we are in unique territory, so it's hard for us to tell you exactly. We'll give updates as we go through the year.
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Operator51:39
Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
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Jake51:46
Hi, this is Jake on for Aaron. Thanks for the question and congrats on the great quarter. I was wondering if you could give some color on the early feedback you're seeing on AFX and AI Data Engine and when they should become bigger revenue contributors moving forward.
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George Kurian52:03
We are pleased with the progress on AFX and the early feedback on AI Data Engine. AFX has already had good wins in neocloud, financial services, hedge funds, and life sciences, which were the target customers for it. We are seeing more customers beginning to qualify it. It will take time, it's a new architecture, but it is serving the purpose for what we created it for. With regard to AI Data Engine, we have brought it to certain clients and we are seeing good feedback on the value and benefits it provides, especially as our large installed base of customers with huge amounts of unstructured data on NetApp want to organize that data for AI projects. AI Data Engine is a big help to them.
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Jake53:08
Great. Thanks. And then maybe as a follow-up, on the all flash momentum it's really impressive. Just if you get more color on how much of the growth is driven by pricing versus capacity and unit growth, and looking at the installed base, where does it stand now and how much conversion runway do you have going forward?
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George Kurian53:37
From an installed base perspective, it kicked up another 1% to 48% of the installed base. With regard to performance in the quarter, it was really about having differentiated solutions for a broad range of priority customer use cases. We raised prices during the quarter, but we have not seen that materially translate into the transactions we recorded in the quarter. It takes a little bit of time to flow through. In the past it has taken about three quarters. We have tightened up our agreements with customers, so you should see that flow through over the next quarter to two quarters.
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Operator54:26
Your next question comes from the line of Asia Merchant with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
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Mike Kadis54:32
Hey, good afternoon. This is Mike Kadis for Asia Merchant. I just have one question. Looking into fiscal 27, how should we think about strategic M&A at this point in terms of leveraging growth and innovation?
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George Kurian54:54
We constantly look at opportunities for M&A and make decisions on whether that is the right use of capital. We feel good about our portfolio, but we won't rule anything in or out at this point in the year.
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Operator55:14
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Sankar with TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
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Chris Sankar55:21
Hi, thanks for taking my question. I have two. George, you mentioned a large neocloud win. I'm curious, are you sole source in that win? How to think about the opportunity? I did not think that neoclouds are big consumers of storage exabytes. Any comment would be helpful. I have a follow-up.
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George Kurian55:42
I don't want to comment about their environment. This is a large top five US neocloud where they were looking to expand their offerings especially to serve high performance use cases for enterprise AI, and we were fortunate to be chosen to be the platform to do so. Our experience in architecting solutions for hyperscale is playing out to our advantage when we speak with neoclouds as they begin to broaden the set of use cases and offerings they have for the enterprise.
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Chris Sankar56:21
Got it. Very helpful. And then maybe a question for either George or Vessim. When I look at your product revenues, is there a way to parse it out by what percentage is Gen AI related?
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Chris Newton56:37
We don't break it out to that level. Chris, we know there's obviously activity and the number of wins we mentioned generate revenue for us. We just don't break it out. The other thing I would say is, as you may have noticed over the few quarters we've been disclosing the number of wins, these have been increasing, so you could assume it's becoming a growing portion of our revenue, but it's not broken out to that level of detail.
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Operator57:13
Your next question comes from the line of Pam Singh with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
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Pam Singh57:19
Hi, thank you for taking my question. I have a couple. One, I wanted to understand the incremental revenue opportunity from AI Data Engine. Do you view this as something that will help you gain share in the traditional market or is it an add-on module that you can sell to address more AI workloads? How do you think about monetizing it as a percentage of revenue?
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George Kurian57:50
There are two use cases as you correctly said. One for our installed base: it creates a very sticky competitive mode where we are able to give them a huge amount of value for their existing infrastructure. We can choose to monetize that as either a standalone software subscription or as part of a broader offering including storage. For net new environments, I was particularly pleased that a very large percentage of our AI wins were from customers where we are not the incumbent data infrastructure provider. There, we combine AI Data Engine together with our storage so they can build a really good data lake or data prep environment. We saw momentum on that this past quarter.
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Pam Singh58:53
And on that second part, George, how do you think about pricing your product for that? Does the ASP go up by 10-15% or is it related to the type of workload? How are you thinking about monetizing it?
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George Kurian59:11
It really depends on the volume of data and the type of data and services we are offering. Broadly speaking, it's tied to the infrastructure, the size of the data set, and the value we are offering the customer related to the type of data use cases.
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Operator59:37
Your next question comes from the line of Katherine Murphy with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
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Katherine Murphy59:44
Thank you for the question. You talked about investing in additional sales resources against this AI opportunity. Is there anything you could share about how NetApp's go to market strategy is evolving as you go after more neocloud and sovereign opportunities in addition to your base enterprise customer set?
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George Kurian1:00:04
We have built out a specialist team to pursue AI opportunities, both those focused on completely new segments like neocloud and sovereign cloud, or to help our frontline teams drive AI wins in the enterprise. We have also expanded coverage of accounts because we feel good about our opportunity to gain share. We have added more accounts to our directly managed coverage resources. It's a sign of confidence. We have seen momentum building through the course of this year and our outlook for next year feels really robust.
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Operator1:00:50
Your next question comes from the line of Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
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Simon Leopold1:00:58
Thanks for taking the question. I'm looking at the midpoint of the guidance for Q1 as well as the midpoint for the full fiscal year. I think this implies relatively little sequential growth through the year. I get the extra week adds some complication, but it seems as if you're suggesting the year could have less than seasonal patterns. Could you help me understand what you're thinking?
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Chris Newton1:01:31
Let me address that. When you look at the first half versus second half for the year, as George said, we're expecting a seasonal pattern, the typical first half second half when adjusting for the extra week in Q1. In other words, we take out the extra week in Q1, which is approximately $65 million, and you end up with roughly similar type of seasonality, first half second half. And when you look at the midpoint of the guide for Q1 and the midpoint for the fiscal year and look at Q2 through Q4, it still gets you in the sort of mid single digit percent growth over the same time period in fiscal 26.
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Simon Leopold1:02:30
Great. And just as my follow-up, we understand the memory issues, NAND and HDDs and DRAM. Just wondering what you've observed in terms of other supply chain constraints and how you might see those risks relative to the memory challenges.
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Chris Newton1:02:51
We work with multiple suppliers for pretty much every component of our silicon lineup. We are cognizant that there could be constraints in other parts of the ecosystem, and this is why we have a broad range of offerings. One thing we have seen clients talk to us about is on HDDs. We've always believed that HDDs were an important part of customers' overall lineup and we have a strong set of solutions for that. I want to say two things: we feel really good about the momentum in our business. We're early in the year, we'll tell you more as it plays out. Second, at this time, we believe we can source adequate supply to meet our outlook for the year.
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Operator1:03:57
Your next question comes from the line of Ananda Barua with Loot Capital. Please go ahead.
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Ananda Barua1:04:04
Thanks guys. I'll just quickly ask two in one part here. You mentioned that you expect next year public cloud ex spot to see accelerating revenue growth. Any view on what a normalized growth rate could look like or should we expect growth acceleration for the foreseeable future? And then can you remind us how to think about the mechanics underlying the gross margin expansion? It sounds like there's a mix component, but the margin has been expanding for a while, so if there's anything in addition to mix, that'd be helpful.
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George Kurian1:04:57
At a high level, we're not providing specific guidance numbers. I think what we see is continued strength in our first party and marketplace cloud storage services. Those have grown consistently above the overall cloud business and are now a much bigger part of the cloud business than they were a year ago. Our view of how the cloud portfolio evolves next year is essentially if you remove spot from the compare to last year, we see the same trends continuing. But because cloud storage is a bigger part of the mix, you can do the math on what that does to the overall cloud business.
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Chris Newton1:05:48
With respect to the margin question, the target margin for the public cloud business is 80 to 85% and we've been operating at the higher end of that range. So as the business continues to grow faster than the rest of the company, it gives us a nice margin tailwind.
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Operator1:06:14
We have time for one more question, from Nihal Chsky with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
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Nihal Chsky1:06:23
Thank you. Congrats on the execution and the realized acceleration. It sounds like a lot of this is coming from AI related demand. You give metrics in terms of number of deals, but we still don't have a good sense of what percent of bookings or revenue that is. Can you help us out on that front?
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Chris Newton1:06:54
Thanks for the question. We don't break it out. As I mentioned earlier, we only quantify the number of opportunities or wins in the on-prem business, but we don't break out bookings or revenue for AI.
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Nihal Chsky1:07:17
It sounds though that the revenue per deal has gone up significantly this past quarter as it sounds like some of these large deals that came to fruition are in that AI category of deals. Is that correct?
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Chris Newton1:07:37
Look, there's a wide range of sizes. I wouldn't want to venture anything that may or may not be correct. I'll leave it at that.
All right. Well, thank you, Nihal. I'm going to hand it over to George for some closing comments.
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George Kurian1:08:00
Thank you, Chris. FY26 was a record year for NetApp, reflecting strong execution and accelerating demand for AI and cloud solutions. Our hybrid cloud intelligent data infrastructure platform is at the center of customers' data-driven transformations, delivering secure real time zero-copy data activation for AI. Our broad portfolio allows us to deliver the right balance of cost and performance for our customers, strengthening our resilience in a dynamic market. Continued innovation and strategic partnerships are expanding our opportunities and driving sustainable growth, and strong financial results and disciplined capital allocation enable us to invest in the future and return value to shareholders. As we look to FY27, we are confident in our strategy and our ability to deliver ongoing growth and leadership in AI and cloud. Thank you.
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Operator1:09:10
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call.