John Collison13:20
An indie hacker from another era. Yeah. Thanks, Emily. Okay, so that was the explosion in business dynamism that we're seeing. The second trend I want to talk about is how commerce itself is becoming agentic. At Stripe, we think about this in increasing levels of autonomy in the purchasing flow from simple help all the way up to significant agency. You might be wondering where have we actually gotten to in 2026. Well, level one is already here. This is software schlepping through forms on your behalf. The in-app checkout experience we're doing with Meta is actually a good example of this. So maybe you find something in an ad, you express interest and the agent, it has your details already and it can complete the checkout for you. Super handy, really convenient, but not exactly science fiction. I mean, you might even think of this as agentic, even though strictly speaking, the software is doing the purchasing for you. It is your agent. Level two is the shift from plain old keyword search that we've had for decades to a shopping assistant that can actually reason within constraints and find products accordingly. Think about when you do some shopping on chat. Imagine totally hypothetically you say, 'I need a birthday gift for my brother. He's 38 and has kind of weirdly at this late age gotten very into calisthenics, but he already actually has a lot of calisthenics gear. And so what's a non-obvious gift that I could get for him for under $100?' Hypothetically, it's not obvious what keywords you would put in to get these results. Wayfair does something similar. You can describe a room or a style or a feeling and the agent rummages through the catalog for you. And you're still in control here. You're making the buying decision. You don't have some awful vase you didn't want showing up unexpected. But you have better ways to find what you're actually looking for. Most people say they already shop this way. I mean, you've probably all already done this. But what does it take to get to levels three, four, and five, where agents are making and executing purchasing decisions with real autonomy? Well, one way to peer into the future is OpenClaw. And there the demand for autonomous commerce is really palpable. This is the cumulative downloads of payment-related skills on Clawhub: 125,000 in 12 weeks. And this is despite the fact that OpenClaw is still pretty hard to use for regular folks. So the question isn't whether there is demand, there is. It's how do we get what's already live at the frontier to go mainstream. Will talked yesterday about how we need the economic infrastructure for AI. Agents need to be able to pay. Businesses need to be able to accept payments from those agents. The whole thing needs a trust layer and Stripe is working hard on getting all of this deployed. There's actually one corner of commerce where things are already moving quickly, which is software buying from software. Let me show you what I mean. So previously, you know, yesterday you saw buying stuff, but here, just imagine we have an agent that we want to help us do some research. So I have a question I've been wondering. Hey Claude, how is AI demand affecting commodity prices and supply and demand for different energy sources? You guys are probably still typing to your Claude, but you can just talk to us. So what's going on here? You've probably heard so much about how the AI buildout is this massive capex boom. We're building all these new data centers. And at various points in the past, it's actually been power constrained. And so we need to plug these data centers into something. But for many, many years, we haven't actually expanded the US grid. And now we're adding all this new demand. And the electricity grid is a market. It's got a supply and demand equilibrium. And so just when you have this equilibrium that's existed for many years and then you plunk, this new demand comes along and cannonballs into the pool, just what happens. And so I asked Claude to go research this and it's going off and it's finding things and here okay it said its picture is striking. It is. I'm going to need some commodity and equity data to ground this analysis. Alpha Advantage has what I need. I'd like to buy this stuff. Total is 4 cents. Yes, I thought it's within our budget. Okay. And it is blanching. So what did you see here? The agent analyzed my question. It looked for the relevant sources. It found a paid source and now it's off buying and downloading that data autonomously. And you're probably used to your AI doing lots of thinking and building, but then it's asking you to carry out the grunt work. It wants you to do the deployment or the checkout flow or the signup. But where we're rapidly headed is the agent doing that work for you. In his demo yesterday, Will used the Link CLI to pay the API reviewer here. As you can see from some of the tempo requests at the top, we're actually using the tempo CLI because my agent has a stablecoin wallet. You know, machine payments can use fiat, but for these tiny purchases, for micropayments, you need a different type of infrastructure. You need stablecoins which have near zero transaction costs making it viable for the first time. So it's blanching away here. This is where you really need a fellow with a guitar. Just wrong timing. But while we did splurge for fast mode for you guys, it's still blanching away there. And so I just thought I'd show you some cool tabs while we're waiting. This is from Works in Progress, Stripe's magazine about progress. You've probably seen it at the cafe out there. And just to the discussion of all these new energy sources, we have this cool article about how Britain made a lot of progress and then forgot it all in nuclear. What else do we have? We have the Gindex, the first real-world application of AI where an AI agent called every pub in Ireland to have a real-time tracking of the cost of a Guinness. So finally something useful. It's still okay. Oh, okay. We're done. So Claude has given me my output. It's open in my browser. And so you see here again I gave it a single prompt here, just my kind of one-word question and it spat out this report and what's it saying? US data center electricity demand is projected to nearly triple by 28. Hyperscaler capex expenditure has surged 62%. Natural gas prices have surged 104%. New natural gas is actually picking up a lot of this. So anyway, super interesting. We don't have time. I would love to just actually read all this. I'm not going to read all of it in front of you, but I will be interested to read it later. You guys will probably be interested to read it later. And so what I can actually do is go back to my Claude and say, 'Hey Claude, publish and sell this report. Price it as you see fit for other agents and humans to find and buy it.' Great. So it's off working and you know you saw our Vibe deploying yesterday and so it's going to go off and make a website where any of you can buy it. And actually, now that I say that, I should maybe check the licensing terms for this Alpha Advantage data set. Do I actually have the rights to commercially redistribute the final report? Okay. Yes, I've checked the terms of service, blah blah blah blah blah. We're fine. Okay. So, it's doing its thing there. But while we wait for the report to get published, what should you take away from this? Well, Agentic Commerce again, it is here. And we think there'll be a really big first mover advantage or an early mover advantage. It's one of the reasons we're moving so quickly at Stripe to enable you to do this. If your product or your platform can possibly support machine to machine payments, we think you should build for it now. And it's still going. It's blanching. And again, previously you had to go get API keys or go poke around in the Vercel interface or anything like this. Again, now thanks to Stripe Projects, it can orchestrate all of this for you. We got any other good tabs here? These are some of the companies that already support agentic commerce. This is Parallel and Browserbase for agentic web browsing. You have Postal, which will let your agent mail a letter for you. So if you want some compatibility between the new way of working and the old way of working. Okay, here we go. It is live at johnsreport.ell.app. So if I just open that, you see here you can go to johnsreport.ell.app. You can click purchase report and I see I'm getting a link confirmation there. That's great. That's all working. So I check out but also if I go to lms.txt you see here it also constructed lms.txt for us with instructions for how with a single tempo request agents can buy the product. So, I would welcome you. Indeed, I would encourage you, I would beseech you to please buy my report for the princely sum of $5. You know, that will help me with my token budget. There we go. That is it. An agent. Yes. Can we? Yeah. Thank you. Give them the confetti. These are Gen Z's. They need... There we go. Yeah. So that's agent commerce live today. You can go check it out. And it raises a really interesting question which is my third topic. In a world where intelligence can do all of that and everyone has access to that kind of intelligence, what actually becomes more valuable? This is all rule in economics. When something gets cheap, its complements get more valuable. So when containerized shipping collapsed the cost of moving goods, ports that could handle the ships became much more valuable. The first radio spectrum auctions in the 1990s raised hundreds of millions of dollars. But then mobile phones got cheap. Loads of people had them and the same airwaves were suddenly worth orders of magnitude more. Governments started auctioning them off for tens of billions of dollars. So these things have joint demand curves. And so one question we should be asking about AI is what are AI's complements? What are the complements to intelligence? What becomes more valuable as intelligence becomes cheaper? Some of the answers are obvious. For example, you can see this effect very clearly in chips. You know, GPUs were really useful before AI, but it's clear from Nvidia's deliveries and market cap that chips have become much more useful recently. They were previously majority gaming and now you see the computer networking segment take off. Same goes for energy. Power is more valuable if you have intelligence to plug it into. Nuclear power is undergoing a renaissance largely because we need nuclear power to power data centers. In the meantime, we're going to need a lot of gas turbines, which you can read about in the report. You can see the order volumes taking off here. It's also reflected in the market value of the handful of companies that make them. This is Siemens Energy, one of the big gas turbine makers. But a less discussed complement to AI is proprietary data, which gets much more valuable when you can let super intelligent agents reason over it. One way you can tell data is getting more valuable is that companies that used to give it away for free have stopped doing that. This chart shows the percentage of various parts of the internet that have been shut off to AI crawling. And instead those companies are starting to monetize it. Reddit has always had a ton of data. All the comments and the subreddits were always there. But before AI, it was a dormant asset on the balance sheet. And today, their non-ad revenue, which comes from data agreements, is $35 million a quarter. We see the same dynamic with our own data. Take Stripe Radar. Stripe Radar has always been able to reason across Stripe's entire corpus of data. But in recent years, as the AI models have gotten better, the underlying data is then more valuable. Network effects is another one we should talk about. Buyers and sellers still need places to meet, and if switching costs are low, the network effects are even more important. To understand this better, we took a look at the public take rate for 10 top marketplaces. What you see is take rates flat for a few years and then you get this bump up during the pandemic and then a steady increase over the past three years as marketplaces see higher returns to better AI techniques. The last complement I want to call out is just companies that have figured out the complex interactions between software systems and real world execution. I think we'll see that that is an enduring mode. Take John Deere. If I asked you to name an AI beneficiary, John Deere might not be the first name that you'd think of, but they've spent years integrating GPS guidance and machine vision and sensor arrays into their equipment. And the defensible part, the most here, it's not the AI. Lots of people could build the AI, it's having the tractors in the fields across 130 countries. So, those are five things we think probably increase in value alongside AI and therefore create even more durable competitive advantages in the years ahead. And for all of you, AI should change how you think about your own competitive advantages. You might previously have built the best software in your space, but you might be finding that software is not the name of the game anymore. But what you do have is powerful proprietary data, interesting network effects, real-world operations and tools that took a decade to get right. All sorts of advantages that hold their value or even become more valuable in a world of abundant intelligence. So as we wrap up, will you indulge me in just a little more economic history? I can't resist. In 1882, Thomas Edison lit up 82 customers in lower Manhattan using six dynamos. Finally, electricity in Manhattan. And for decades after, even as electricity adoption grew, productivity growth barely budged or even slowed down as the railroad investment boom started to wear off. And the economists were confused initially. I mean, we had this awesome technology and electricity. Why wasn't it showing up in the statistics? And the problem wasn't the technology. The electricity did work. It was the economy had to digest it. You see, factories, they'd been built around steam. The shafts and the belts and the floor plans, it was all wrong for electricity. And it wasn't until we redesigned factories from scratch that the productivity gains finally appeared. And people sometimes forget, but this took a full 30 years from 1882 all the way to the late 1910s. And then in the 1910s, in that single decade, the growth rate of output per worker more than doubled. But there was this big lag. We saw the same phenomenon again with the birth of computing. In fact, economists have since dubbed this whole phenomenon the Solow paradox after Robert Solow's 1987 quip that computers were everywhere to be seen except in the productivity statistics. He was right and they weren't to be seen and they wouldn't be until the mid-1990s. Transformative technology looks for a long time like it's not doing much. If you're looking at the economic gauges, you're kind of sitting there and you're tapping the gauge. Is this thing on? I think this is what we're actually watching in real time with AI. You see the seeds of this in the phenomena I already mentioned. The minimum efficient size of a serious business is collapsing. Solopreneurs are scaling to seven figures and beyond. Agents are buying from agents. Companies are launching globally from day one. But none of that fits in the old model. These changes might yield productivity dividends tomorrow because we have to digest them. But they're the early indicators of an economy that's replatforming itself. The businesses you're all building now, they're not a footnote to AI history. They are the AI history. They are the story of the economic and productivity gains. Electrification took 30 years to reorganize the economy, but I suspect we won't need to wait anywhere as long as that for AI. Thank you so much for being here. I hope you are getting a ton out of sessions. Enjoy the rest of your morning and I will see you back here for our final fireside with Daniel Gross and Nat Friedman this afternoon.