About Satya Nadella
Satya Nadella, chairman and chief executive officer of Microsoft, has been active in public appearances over the past two months, including a live event with The New York Times's Hard Fork podcast, the company's Build 2026 developer conference, and the fiscal third-quarter earnings call. At Build 2026, Nadella announced the Majorana 2 quantum processor, which he said provides a qubit mean lifetime of 20 seconds and operations at one microsecond, and introduced the Surface RTX Spark Dev Box, a device with one petaflop of AI compute. He also discussed a partnership with NVIDIA, including the RTX Spark system-on-chip and the Windows DGX Station, which he described as a "desktop data center." During the earnings call, Nadella said the company expects capital expenditures to increase to over $40 billion in the fourth quarter as it adds capacity for AI demand.
In his remarks, Nadella emphasized the concept of a "frontier intelligence ecosystem" where companies can participate by building on top of platforms rather than simply consuming models. He stated that "everyone is a stakeholder" in AI and argued that the technology must deliver tangible benefits to communities, citing data centers in Quincy, Washington, as an example of local economic gains. Nadella also addressed public skepticism about AI, saying that "the perception is terrible" and that companies must "do the hard work" to earn trust. On the podcast, he discussed the need for AI to be economically viable, noting that "the marginal cost of productivity improvement has to match the marginal cost of the token."
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Satya Nadella0:00
It took a long time for even the smartphone to penetrate all of the world, whereas now it's not the case. These models and their outputs are pretty much available everywhere. And so the question to me is what are the use cases that make sense? One of the demos I always go back to, even in the beginning of 2023, was a rural Indian farmer who was able to use a bot built on a very early GPT-3 or even GPT-3.5 to reason over some farm subsidies he had heard about in a local language, and it even showed some agentic behavior, like go complete a form for me. In some sense, it brought back agency to someone who perhaps didn't have that because the technology was so much more accessible. So I do think it's in our hands, even in the global south, to use it to create more opportunity where there isn't one. But the necessary conditions still are: do you have the capital investment being put in? Do you even have an environment for capital? Because in an interesting way, we as hyperscalers are investing all over, including the global south. So as long as there's an environment that attracts the capital investment, and you see the demand, then the question is how do you have a set of policies that allow for both the capital to come in and find nexus? There are certain things that private capital can do, and certain things that only public capital can do, like the grid. The grid in most countries is fundamentally driven by governments and public. So if you don't have a real approach to modernizing the grid, that will hold things back. There's a lot of talk about behind-the-meter and so on, and yes, there's some amount of that we can do ourselves. We can do that in the US, but many countries can't. And it's not long-term scalable. To me, a long-term scalable solution is to have all of these token factories as part of the real economy, connected to the grid, connected to the telco network, delivering just like we delivered bits, you have to deliver tokens plus bits. And that's what's going to drive scale, whether in the global south or in the developed world.
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Interviewer2:42
So many people talk about there may be an AI bubble. The most important thing that we see as an investor is the democratization of technology and the diffusion of that technology. It really does transform the demand. The companies or the countries that diffuse it fastest are going to be the ultimate winners, not the technology creator.
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Satya Nadella3:05
For this not to be a bubble, by definition it requires that the benefits are much more evenly spread. A telltale sign of a bubble would be if all we're talking about are the tech firms, if all we talk about is what's happening on the technology side, then it's purely supply side. Ultimately, if we are not talking about a drug that was brought into the market and was super successful because it was AI-accelerated in the clinical trial, it's not even the magical molecule, it's the rest of what's needed to make something much more relevant. And by the way, it's happening. So I'm much more confident that this is a technology that will build on the rails of cloud and mobile, diffuse faster, and bend the productivity curve, bringing local surplus and economic growth all around the world, not just economic growth driven by capital expenses. That's a narrow point-in-time calculation. That's what we're seeing in the developed world in particular, but remember, we're spending a lot of capital in the United States, but 50% of it is also all over the world. So interestingly, it depends on demand all over the world, and that demand will only be there if there is local surplus. That's the way I see the equation.
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Interviewer5:01
So let's drill down a little more. As AI diffuses, organizations, companies, governments are going to have to evolve. Getting to the demand side, how do you think the structure of organizations is changing in an AI world across roles, teams, management? I'm sure Microsoft has evolved itself. So it would be good to tell the audience how you see this diffusion occurring at the corporate or government level, which ultimately creates that demand and eliminates any fears of a bubble.
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Satya Nadella5:40
I think it's one of the big challenges with all these new technologies: when work artifacts and workflows change, the means we as firms have to change how we work. I remember meeting the CEO of General Electric a few years back, and he was describing how they worked with their agents in the field with faxes and interoffice memos. Then suddenly the PC showed up, and people would put a spreadsheet in an email and send it around, and the entire workflow changed. Similarly, with AI, you're going to start seeing actual change in how workflow happens. For me coming to Davos, preparing for 50 bilateral meetings had a particular workflow: my field team would prepare notes, that would come to my HQ, and get further refined. Nothing had really changed since I joined in 1992. Now I just go to Copilot and say, 'Hey, I'm meeting Larry, please give me a brief,' and it comes back and gives me a 360-degree view. It knows what we're doing with you as a client, what we're doing as a client of yours, and everything in between. It captures information unlike anything else. I take that and immediately share it with all my colleagues across all functions. It's a complete inversion of how information flows in the organization. It's not like the classic model where we have departments and specializations and information trickles up. No, it flattens the entire information flow. So once you have that, you have to redesign structurally. The current structure may not make sense because you want people to work in a way that allows information to flow freely. The formula starts with mindset. As leaders, we need to think about changing the workflow with the technology. Then you need the skill set. You can't talk about this in the abstract; you have to use it. If I'm not using it, I can't trust it. You have to learn how to put the guardrails in place to trust it. You can't just be afraid of it; it's going to be diffused. So as a firm, you have to use it to learn how to put the guardrails that allow you to trust it. So mindset, skills, and the other big consideration is how you make sure you have the data set that you're feeding, like context. It's like you have a new intelligence layer, but it's only as good as the context you give it. People describe it as context engineering. That's what firms do: it's all about the tacit knowledge we have by working in various departments and moving paper and information. The question is how do you have this AI also have that context? These are some of the new things that have to percolate throughout an organization to take advantage. That's why you're going to see the challenge of 'Why am I not seeing immediate results in productivity?' Because you have to do the hard work. It's not going to be some firm-wide difference; it's going to be fundamentally because of the leadership will in an organization.
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Interviewer10:04
Do you see the applications being used across large, medium, and small companies, or is it still the domain of mostly large companies? I think that if you start fresh, it's easier to adopt these tools and construct your organization knowing they exist.
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Satya Nadella10:31
It is a barbell. Small companies that are just starting use that platform 100%. Even for large organizations, there's a fundamental challenge because unless your rate of change keeps up with what's possible, you're going to get schooled by someone small being able to achieve scale because of these tools. Large organizations have inherent strengths: relationships, data, knowhow. But if you don't translate that with a new production function, you'll be stuck. So the change management challenge for large organizations is bigger, and the structural challenge for small organizations of overcoming scale issues is harder. It's going to be a very competitively intense world where neither side can just coast.
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Interviewer11:35
What about country to country? Are you seeing big differences in how the applications are being used? Is AI still the domain of developed countries, or is it becoming rapidly a domain of all countries? I'm seeing two things as I travel: the quality of knowhow, software developers, startups, or even large organizations is not that different. You can show up in Jakarta, Istanbul, Mexico City, and it's not that different from Seattle or San Francisco. For the first time, access to what's happening is there. But at scale, the commitment to using this, the risk capital, the large companies pushing it hard—in the US, the financial sector's adoption of the cloud versus AI is night and day. It's much faster with AI than it was with the cloud.
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Satya Nadella12:59
And regulatory issues too. Until the regulators allowed banks to bring their data off campus, that was a big issue. So in the West, particularly in the US, there is clearly more energy around using it. But it's spreading more uniformly around the world than any technology I've seen. You mentioned the grid—is that going to be one of the determinants of accessibility? If you don't have cheap power, the demand is costly. 100%. If you look at tokens per dollar per watt, I would claim that GDP growth in any place will be directly correlated. If you buy my argument that we've got a new commodity—tokens—and the job of every economy and every firm is to translate these tokens into economic growth, then if you have a cheaper commodity, it's better. There are many elements to this: it's not just the production side. That's why having the grid is important. Construction costs, the total cost of ownership—everything. How are you a cheap producer of energy? Can you build the data centers? What's the cost curve of the silicon and the systems? And look at token pricing: it drops by half every 3 months. So you can plot how you use the tokens to create surplus, knowing that you have a commodity whose prices are just going to come down monotonically in a fast curve.
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Interviewer15:08
We're sitting in Europe, and there is a real fear because Europe does not have its own power; it has to import most of it. Do you have any messages for Europe related to this?
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Satya Nadella15:25
There are two sets of things. Here we are in Switzerland, and I look at the pharma or financial sector. They do a big job in this country and in Europe, but they're also international brands with international operations. Whenever I think about Europe, the Europeans are producing products and services that go everywhere in the world. So European competitiveness is about the competitiveness of their output globally, not just in Europe. Sometimes when you come to Europe, there's a lot of conversation about just Europe. But the European economy has thrived for the last 200 or 300 years because of what has happened in Europe—they were able to produce things the world needed. That's number one. To do that, you have to invest in the human capital here, which is fantastic and world-class. You have to invest in producing the energy and the tokens here. We are investing, and others are investing in data centers here. The question is what's the next generation of output that comes from here? I always think about the German Mittelstand. Whenever I go to a jeweler or a dentist in the United States, I'm surrounded by German Mittelstand. It's just unbelievable engineering prowess. And now the question is: they are producing industrial products that today have all the intelligence built in. Whenever we come to Europe, everyone talks about sovereignty and data. But Europe should be much more concerned about access to their industrial companies' and financial services companies' data from the US and the rest of the world, rather than thinking that by protecting Europe, you're going to be competitive. You are only going to be competitive if the products coming out of Europe are globally competitive. Europe has led in privacy, that's fantastic, and has led in many aspects of safety around AI. That's a feature. But you also have to complement it by building locally and thinking globally about the contribution this continent will make to the rest of the world, which it has historically been a leader in.
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Interviewer18:10
So do you think the whole idea around sovereignty of data is being misunderstood?
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Satya Nadella18:19
When people talk about sovereignty, first of all, it's very important. But you have to think about what sovereignty means. For example, the topic that's least talked about but will be most talked about this year is the sovereignty of a firm. Just imagine if your firm is not able to embed the tacit knowledge of the firm in a set of weights in a model that you control. By definition, you have no sovereignty. That means you're leaking enterprise value to some model company. It's fascinating that nobody's talking about that. Everybody's talking about everything else. The most important thing is: it doesn't matter where the data center runs. Data centers will be spread all over because the speed of light is a real constraint. You will be able to encrypt everything and have the keys with you. These are technically solvable problems. But the one problem that will only be solved is by you having much more sovereignty over the tacit knowledge and control over the models. It's not a one-way enterprise value transfer. So sovereignty requires real thought. Control of destiny means your ability to produce something unique is preserved. David Ricardo was not wrong; there is comparative advantage in countries and in firms that needs to be preserved even in the AI era. That's what will give you real sovereignty.
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Interviewer20:25
One last question. In 5 or 10 years, is there going to be one dominant model that we're all using, or how is Microsoft preparing for this? Are we going to be using one model for enterprise and one for other things?
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Satya Nadella20:44
Even in the last 3 or 4 years, the reality is it's a multi-model world. There are going to be multiple models, and the trick is how you take advantage of them and build your own model by distilling them. You orchestrate these models to build your own model. More importantly, you do what is described as orchestration or harness engineering. The IP of any application or firm is how you use all these models with context engineering or your data. So it's three parts: can I bring in all the models—closed source, open source, build my own—orchestrate them, and feed them my data to change the trajectory of some outcome I care about? That's the entire picture. You can do it for a particular product or service. First, I have to do a better job in sales, R&D, or finance. You take that outcome and say, 'Can I use all the models, orchestrate them, and feed them my context?' As a result, the reasoning traces lead to some capability and models that I control as my IP. As long as firms can answer that question, they're going to get ahead.
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Interviewer22:28
Ladies and gentlemen, let's thank Satya, my friend. Thank you for this. Hopefully this is the beginning of many great dialogues and conversations here at the World Economic Forum. Thank you everyone.
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Satya Nadella22:44
Thank you.